BajaNomad - EPN cancels meeting with Trump

EPN cancels meeting with Trump

Hook - 1-26-2017 at 11:24 AM

http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/pena-nieto-cancels-meeting-w...

DENNIS - 1-26-2017 at 12:38 PM

How to get ahead in the world??
When you have a disagreement, don't discuss it. Avoid it.

[Edited on 1-26-2017 by DENNIS]

wessongroup - 1-26-2017 at 12:42 PM

:biggrin:

aguachico - 1-26-2017 at 12:46 PM

Don't get what all the hub-bub is about. The US has been rebuilding the wall since Bush and during Obama. Trump is also hiring 5000 more border agents. Business as usual.

BajaNaranja - 1-26-2017 at 01:45 PM

""If Mexico is unwilling to pay for the badly needed wall, then it would be better to cancel the upcoming meeting," the US president wrote on Twitter on Thursday morning." -- http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38760671

If that's Trump's position on the meeting, then what choice does EPN have...

[Edited on 1-26-2017 by BajaNaranja]

WhackAMolE - 1-26-2017 at 02:06 PM

Any expats down here concerned at the impending economic war the US is declaring on Mexico? I don't see this coming out well for anyone.

motoged - 1-26-2017 at 02:10 PM

I just make sure the locals know I am Canadian....and still their respectful friend :light:

Lee - 1-26-2017 at 03:12 PM

Widely respected historian Enrique Krauze said there was no doubt now that Mexico’s president should not go to Washington.

“Trump is a lunatic who will probably destroy himself. It is necessary to gain some time with patience, strength and dignity.”

Pretty much sums it up. If asked, I'm saying I'm Canadian.

AKgringo - 1-26-2017 at 03:25 PM

Well I was willing to share my insights with him on cross border relations, but if he is going to be that way...cancel my meeting too!

Would somebody who uses twitter let him know that I am out?

Barry A. - 1-26-2017 at 03:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Widely respected historian Enrique Krauze said there was no doubt now that Mexico’s president should not go to Washington.

“Trump is a lunatic who will probably destroy himself. It is necessary to gain some time with patience, strength and dignity.”

Pretty much sums it up. If asked, I'm saying I'm Canadian.

Well, I sure agree with the "----patience, strength and dignity". That's what we all could use these days. Personally, I am not going to second-guess the Billionaire that wrote "the art of the deal" until I see how it turns out.

Bajaboy - 1-26-2017 at 04:21 PM

Looks like Pacificos and the like are going to be 20% more expensive for us in the US. I'm guessing the tax hike will benefit all of us..... :barf:

Leo - 1-26-2017 at 04:23 PM

Anyone making T-shirts 'I am Canadian"? In Spanish would be even better.
I had my haircut last Friday during inauguration of this idiot. Did she (the hairdresser) ever change attitude when she found out I am Canadian. (and proud of it)
That was sweet.

BajaNaranja - 1-26-2017 at 04:57 PM

At this point it seems that the American & Mexican people are all props in the reality show that is the Trump Presidency.

Hoping that cooler heads prevail, it doesn't seem like it would take much for things to spin up into a real cross-border mess, one that the current admin may not be able to unwind.

bajabuddha - 1-26-2017 at 05:12 PM

When Trumplethinskin gets done bullying Peña Nieto for having the cojones to diss him publicly and the peso really plunges in the next 12 months, I don't think there'll be much amor between nationalities, not that there ever really has been deeply other than a few chosen folk... I wouldn't want to be an investor in Mexico at the moment. Buena Suerte, y'all.
......Eh? :coolup:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/peso-falls-after-mexi...

[Edited on 1-27-2017 by bajabuddha]

AKgringo - 1-26-2017 at 05:17 PM

I have two little 4x4s in northern CA, one of them with Alaska plates. I better take it on the next trip, because I get treated more like a Canadian when people find out I am from Alaska!

motoged - 1-26-2017 at 06:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

.... If asked, I'm saying I'm Canadian.

That's not cool at all !

....why not admit your own true nationality...and say how you feel about it. :light:

Ya can't "cut and paste" that kind of stuff :no:

Canuckial Cover

MrBillM - 1-26-2017 at 06:29 PM

It's difficult to imagine a circumstance SO bad that claiming to be Canadian would seem attractive, BUT (possibly) Trump is IT !

Thank God my many years of Baja travel are over. I'd hate to face THAT decision.

mtgoat666 - 1-26-2017 at 07:41 PM

Trump is a lunatic, immature, hyper-sensitive man-child!
The funny thing is all of you knew this before the election!
Now you trump voters s act surprised that he is crazy!
You deserve what you got
Usa gdp growth will soon be negative, along with mexico

Trump will destroy two countries with one stone

Mexico may want that wall to keep out all the usa economic refugees!

[Edited on 1-27-2017 by mtgoat666]

Lee - 1-26-2017 at 07:57 PM

Never thought I'd mis Dub-ya, or Mitt, or Jeb. Bring back the simpler, old days.

DENNIS - 1-26-2017 at 08:07 PM

EPN made this move only to ingratiate himself with his home-boy fans who, at the moment, hate him more than they hate North Americans, and that's a bunch.

SPEAKING GOD SPEAK

MrBillM - 1-26-2017 at 08:18 PM

While it might "seem" to be the epitome of (delusional ?) conceit, It IS the belief held by Christians who consider themselves pious that their words (at times anyway) are inspired.

However, I KNOW that they are often wrong.

On those occasions when they misquote ME.

gpm414 - 1-26-2017 at 08:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Trump "wrote" the book with journalist Tony Schwartz. I invite everyone to watch his actions, listen to his words (not what someone writes for him and he reads on a teleprompter) and yes, read what he writes in 144 characters.

Being home owners and living here half the year, our concerns grow everyday...especially today. We love Mexico and the Mexican people. Our Mexican friends are concerned and angry about how they see Trump treating them and their country.

Politics aside, we should be concerned and listen to our neighbors.

Leo - 1-26-2017 at 09:32 PM

What a nice president, screwing Mexicans and his own folks at the same time.
Take something from Mexico at $ 10. and normally the seller in the US adds let's say for simplicity 50%, making selling price $ 15.
Now Mr.Dump adds 20 %, making the price 12.00, retailer adds 50% making the selling price $ 18.00 that US clients have to pay. So who is paying that wall?
You are screwed with this idiot.

DanO - 1-27-2017 at 01:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy

Looks like Pacificos and the like are going to be 20% more expensive for us in the US. I'm guessing the tax hike will benefit all of us..... :barf:

^^^^^TRUTH^^^^^
And not just just Pacificos. :fire:

Santiago - 1-27-2017 at 06:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

I won't spend time defending Trump or condemning him...
My attention is drawn to another line of thought where the 20% could be a 'leveling' concept; admittedly corporations have moved manufacturing to a place where they pay sub-livable wages to the workers and exploit that by importing into a place where they can access those who can pay what they demand (US). They avoid wage levels, environmental penalties and compensation/matching funds (at least at the level of US).
Competition in the country where they sell is suppressed.

When we look at oil production we see that when the price falls below a certain level, home brewing ceases. When that price rises, US producers jump back in the game.

Perhaps the 20% will level the ability for those manufacturing jobs to return to the US and provide for those within our borders.

OR do we value our personal position in that foreign country so much that we let our countrymen pay the price for our comfort/desires?

This analysis is worth considering.
Most 'things', not services, have a market price. In my business, our material changed from American made to Asian sourced about 15 years ago. We did not lower our price to the consumer - we just made more profit. However, after a dozen years or so, the lower price of materials was factored into everyone's price structure and there became an American-sourced and an Asian-sourced price structure, openly shown the consumer. After nearly 10,000 deals, we can only remember a handful of consumers who spent more money for the American made product.

A good chunk of our customers earn their money to pay us for our product by supplying consumers in Pacific rim countries with their product. I have been told by them that "California" on the label is considered a stamp of quality and luxury, commanding a slightly higher price. Of course, their customers are paying with money from my company because I'm buying Asian-made stuff.

Having someone in charge who is nuanced in their thinking would be comforting.........

Hook - 1-27-2017 at 07:46 AM

I cant say I disagree with ALL of The Donald's proposals, even though I dislike him so much. Just something about boastful, egotistical liars that rubs me the wrong way.

But those jobs aren't coming back, no matter how much of an import tax you put on the goods we get from Mexico or China. It's too late. A very significant portion of those jobs have been given over to robotics, who work 24/7, never get sick or complain or take vacations. In many areas, humans can't compete with robots. And what CEO is going to turn his/her back on the increased profits or the investment in the robots.

No, the time to reverse this trend was probably the 90s, when many jobs were still done by humans.

But it makes Trumps voters feel good to hear about attempts to return jobs to Americans by taxing goods or bullying CEOs or presidents of other countries, with tweets.

Alienate a neighbor, yet coddle Putin. Black is white, day is night, wrong is right under the New Alternative Facts regime.

aguachico - 1-27-2017 at 08:30 AM

Build a wall!!!

Around california. I wonder if the Country of california could survive without federal protection? Could make for an interesting book.

http://www.yescalifornia.org/

AKgringo - 1-27-2017 at 08:44 AM

Putting a 20% tariff on goods from Mexico is outrageous! It should only be 18%, like they slap on US goods!

Hook - 1-27-2017 at 09:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

Putting a 20% tariff on goods from Mexico is outrageous! It should only be 18%, like they slap on US goods!

The Donald has to "one up" everyone. His ego won't allow anything less.

billklaser - 1-27-2017 at 10:08 AM

I'm going to wait and see what really takes place.....Is it possible everything we hear right now is chatter, and the real responses will come later?? Obviously a 20% tariff will be paid by all consumers, not Mexico. Trump might be a blow heart, but I don't think he is stupid. So, I suspect there is something else brewing.....

JoeJustJoe - 1-27-2017 at 11:23 AM

BajaNaranja - 1-27-2017 at 11:25 AM

I'm afraid that any brains our Prez has are so heavily compromised by ego, greed, pride, compulsion, impulsiveness, and sundry other character defects x1000 that in the end he's going to make a helluva mess that will have lasting effects that many future US presidents will be dealing with.

And that mess may hit those of us who love to visit our neighbors to the south.

But I hope I'm wrong.

Hook - 1-27-2017 at 12:20 PM

One thing is becoming very clear. There has to be some constitutional recourse to a President issuing all these executive orders, with no means of countermanding them by the other branches of the government. We're becoming a dictatorship. And it's been going on longer than just The Donald; though he has set a new standard for it, before his first week is out.

Executive orders should be for IMMEDIATE threats to defense and welfare of the country.

Mexitron - 1-27-2017 at 12:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

I cant say I disagree with ALL of The Donald's proposals, even though I dislike him so much. Just something about boastful, egotistical liars that rubs me the wrong way.

But those jobs aren't coming back, no matter how much of an import tax you put on the goods we get from Mexico or China. It's too late. A very significant portion of those jobs have been given over to robotics, who work 24/7, never get sick or complain or take vacations. In many areas, humans can't compete with robots. And what CEO is going to turn his/her back on the increased profits or the investment in the robots.

No, the time to reverse this trend was probably the 90s, when many jobs were still done by humans.

But it makes Trumps voters feel good to hear about attempts to return jobs to Americans by taxing goods or bullying CEOs or presidents of other countries, with tweets.

Alienate a neighbor, yet coddle Putin. Black is white, day is night, wrong is right under the New Alternative Facts regime.

Good point. If we are going to create jobs they will have to be forward thinking and preferably economically beneficial to the US--driverless cars and the associated synchronization of the transportation signal networks, hyperloops, solar, hydrogen fuel cells and fusion power for examples....things we can use here and also export to help the trade imbalances. Of course we'll need oil for a long time still---but that's Mexico's big export to the US (maybe that's Trump's alterior motive-- to get the price of gas high by peeing off Mexico into an oil embargo...I imagine there has to be some kind of collusion with Putin to get oil higher because its killing the Russian economy, not to mention our own oil fields).

Waiting, Wondering and Watching

MrBillM - 1-27-2017 at 02:53 PM

To what extent many (most ?) of these Executive Orders (and Memorandums) will be implemented is open to question.

They tend to be filled with escape (Weasel-Wording) like "should to the extent possible", "where possible", "where practicable", "should consider", "determine IF", etc, etc, etc.

Which makes sense, but also means that the First Impressions may be off.

That said, there ARE going to be a LOT of BIG changes.

Good, Bad and (really) Ugly.

Hook - 1-27-2017 at 03:59 PM

Now comes word of the executive order I feared the most; a renewed push to spend more on defense because The Donald and his puppet masters feel the US has become weak, with respect to our weapons and the amount of personnel in the military. More military madness.

Where has the US been shown to be lacking in a conflict, in terms of hardware and personnel in the last 20 years?

The Donald is confusing Obama's decisions to get out of fights we have no business in, with some kind of need to build our military up again.

It's BushCo/Cheney all over again. It's LBJ all over again. No surprise with the cabinet he's picked.

This is madness!

Pro-life, indeed...........what a joke.

[Edited on 1-27-2017 by Hook]

Stickers - 1-27-2017 at 04:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

One thing is becoming very clear. There has to be some constitutional recourse to a President issuing all these executive orders, with no means of countermanding them by the other branches of the government. We're becoming a dictatorship. And it's been going on longer than just The Donald; though he has set a new standard for it, before his first week is out.

Executive orders should be for IMMEDIATE threats to defense and welfare of the country.

Executive orders are not laws but merely implementation of existing laws.
Trump can keep signing all his orders as photo opportunities but nonthing will happen without laws and funding provided by other branches of government.

Hook - 1-27-2017 at 04:03 PM

Defunding Obamacare and allowing lenient exemptions is implementation of existing laws??????

Stickers - 1-28-2017 at 01:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

Defunding Obamacare and allowing lenient exemptions is implementation of existing laws??????

I think that congress needs to come up with a way to do it. Also the imposing of import duties on Mexico would be quite difficult and nearly impossible to do.

AKgringo - 1-28-2017 at 02:03 PM

This is probably out of place, but here it is anyway; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZkAoosVLkA

Udo - 1-28-2017 at 03:56 PM

Isn't that what some husbands/wives do?

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS

How to get ahead in the world??
When you have a disagreement, don't discuss it. Avoid it.

[Edited on 1-26-2017 by DENNIS]

bajabuddha - 1-28-2017 at 03:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Udo

Isn't that what some husbands/wives do?

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS

How to get ahead in the world??
When you have a disagreement, don't discuss it. Avoid it.

[Edited on 1-26-2017 by DENNIS]

You know perfectly well the man gets the last two words of the discussion......... YES, DEAR.

rts551 - 1-28-2017 at 05:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by billklaser

I'm going to wait and see what really takes place.....Is it possible everything we hear right now is chatter, and the real responses will come later?? Obviously a 20% tariff will be paid by all consumers, not Mexico. Trump might be a blow heart, but I don't think he is stupid. So, I suspect there is something else brewing.....

The problem here and now (regardless of what the end result is) is that he is peeing a lot of people off...and those hard feelings are not going away in the near future.

bajabuddha - 1-28-2017 at 05:19 PM

Exactly, rts. The "Ugly American" just got a helluva lot uglier... and we represent the Lolly Pop Gang. Trumplethinskin pulls a tariff on Mexico, and punish the indigents sending money home, the Mexican Gov't can turn around and do the same thing to ex-pats who have holdings. I see nothing good coming from the braggadocio.

Same effect from the 7-country moslem ban. All it will accomplish is pi$$ off more good people and alienate them, causing more hate and discontent, and give fuel for more extremism. PROVEN: none of the serious terrorist hits in our own country came from any of the seven countries, other than one from Somalia. The 9/11 killers were from Saudi and Egypt. Our biggest terrorist other than 9/11 was a good ol' boy Christian that killed 186 people in Oklahoma a few years back.

[Edited on 1-29-2017 by bajabuddha]

SKIDS - 1-28-2017 at 10:21 PM

The president of Mexico needs to grow some huevos and deal with his own country's issue's . The cartels are running Mexico .
At least President Trump has huevos and kisses no one ass. He's trying to in force our immigration laws and deport the thousand's of felon's . Not law abiding families ! He know's the mexican people are the hardest working people in the world.

Proud American and would never say i'm Canadian !!!

Bajaboy - 1-28-2017 at 10:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SKIDS

The president of Mexico needs to grow some huevos and deal with his own country's issue's . The cartels are running Mexico .
At least President Trump has huevos and kisses no one ass. He's trying to in force our immigration laws and deport the thousand's of felon's . Not law abiding families ! He know's the mexican people are the hardest working people in the world.

Proud American and would never say i'm Canadian !!!

Trump is Putin's lady dog :light:

SKIDS - 1-28-2017 at 11:19 PM

:lol:

We'll see who is the lap dog !

bezzell - 1-29-2017 at 11:16 AM

SKIDmarks are Deplorable

Blue Palm - 1-29-2017 at 07:53 PM

First post from a longtime guest. Thank you veteran Nomads for years of useful information. This post is aimed at U.S. citizens in Baja with MX permanent resident status.

After a few weeks absent from monitoring Baja current events on the forums, and curious about reaction to the political events of the past week, I went online. I was surprised that I could find only one string on that topic; otherwise it was business as usual. I was motivated to finally join and give my 2 cents.

Throughout the Trump campaign, Mexicans and their country were insulted. I tried to assure my Mexican neighbors and friends that many Americans consider Mexico an important friend and ally. The harsh words from Trump didn’t match my perception after decades of living and traveling in Baja. In the past week, the rhetoric has escalated and the actions have started. I am reaching out again to assure these same people that a large number of Americans do not agree with the words and actions of the Trump administration toward Mexico.

I know many of us go to Baja to escape this stuff. All we want is a nice beach, good fishing, warm weather, a cold Pacifico, and friends to hang out with. Me too, but this is happening right now to our (other) home. As if most Mexicans don’t have enough problems, the U.S. government is seriously contemplating a steep tariff on imports from Mexico that will make their lives even worse.

These are the folks who help us maintain our nice, cheap lifestyle in Baja. We travel south in our big pickups or SUVs to our 2nd (or 3rd) homes that most Mexicans can only dream about. We play with our expensive toys, complain about a lot of things, and have a hard time carrying on a normal conversation in Spanish. Yet most Mexicans overlook all that and are habitually helpful and courteous.

On a selfish level, the Mexican/BCN government has the power to make our lives difficult in retaliation. Anybody want to get a new FM every year? How about a top-to-bottom search at the border and at every military checkpoint? Getting pulled over for going 10 km above the speed limit because of your U.S. license plate?

So reaching out to the Mexican people I know has become a priority. It seems like the right thing to do, and, who knows, maybe one of them will speak out when/if retaliation actions are considered.

Thanks for listening. Sorry for the long post.

Decades of Personal Experience................

MrBillM - 1-29-2017 at 09:20 PM

.......... Has been that U.S. actions that don't set well with Mexico tend to make life (at worst) inconvenient for U.S. travelers at the Border Crossings and Checkpoints.

Assuming, of course, that the traveler is in legal compliance AND not attempting to avoid paying duties.

As one who (like many others) practiced the art of "avoidance" on almost every trip south, I viewed with trepidation thorough inspections. Especially, with the Army. Where paying a "convenience" fee wasn't an option.

Which might be a bigger worry now.

More than once over the years when harangued by a Mexican acquaintance over some stupid U.S. action, my reply was (in different wordings) "How much say do YOU have over what the Mexican Officials DO" ?

That said, the new President's attitude and promised plans have the potential to raise the "peesd" off level to a record high.

Taking the travel experience into the great unknown.

Buena Suerte.

Hook - 1-29-2017 at 10:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch

Nice post without all the vitriol.

The party bases in all countries get riled up.

I talk to Mexicans every single day about this kind of stuff and the vast majority of them get that those of us living here are decent folks.

And, sin duda, they know a chitty politician when they see one.

Agreed. The Mexicans I know dont lump me in with this egotistical puppet. They recognize a con man in politics, quicker than us. Not really worried about Mexican backlash, at this point.

Anyway, it's time to head north and join the Resistance. Otherwise, we are Germans in '33-'35, allowing it to happen.

See you on the Mall.

Barry A. - 1-30-2017 at 07:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by SKIDS

He know's the mexican people are the hardest working people in the world.

Woah, did he actually SAY that?

Yes, he did----many times (if you listened). He has employed thousands of Mexican's thru the many years, and treats them well.

I agree with SKIDS.

And many of you Dems said the Republicans were the "party of no"--------Jeezo, you all are something else!!!! taking vulgar to a new level!!!

DENNIS - 1-30-2017 at 08:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch

And, sin duda, they know a chitty politician when they see one.

They also understand the futility of constantly sniveling about it.

motoged - 1-30-2017 at 10:18 AM

When I look at the very sad situation of the politics of USA these days, I mourn the days when civility showed up on occasion.

The positions espoused by Trump and his ilk is simply a knuckledragging, racist, and mutant throwback in time....

What really is depressing is the notion that it is just where the USA is at these days....those who defend his ideology carry it close to their hearts....and are cloned sTrumpets...God help America :no:

"Whining and snivelling" is quite different than being outraged and standing up for decent humane values....the "revolution" of his neo-n*zi movement isn't progress....it is devolution.

The world is watching.....and USA is not looking too smart to much of the world these days...but inspiring for other power-hungry dictators ....

DENNIS - 1-30-2017 at 10:46 AM

Trump is the best thing lately to happen for EPN.

https://mexicoinstitute.wordpress.com/2017/01/30/mexico-pres...

JoeJustJoe - 1-30-2017 at 10:51 AM

I'm embarrassed to being an American citizen!

What Trump is doing with his Muslim ban, is giving the USA a black eye, and the stench is rubbing off on all Americans, because a large minority of people in US, voted for Trump.

Well, at least what's going to happen with Mexico, seems to be on the back burner for awhile.

TMW - 1-30-2017 at 11:00 AM

I find it funny and interesting. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do. He was elected president on it. I think we were all surprised at him getting elected whether we voted for him or not. I would rather have Trump that Hillary he is much more interesting. Mexico isn't going to do crap against the Americans because they don't want to lose the money flow be it from companies or individuals. Trump will look like a hero to his followers and he and Mexico will work out a plan that in the end doesn't change anything. Set back and enjoy the show.

Lee - 1-30-2017 at 11:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by SKIDS

He know's the mexican people are the hardest working people in the world.

Woah, did he actually SAY that?

Fake news and alternate realities. You guys deserve each other.

White, privileged with a sense of entitlement. 5 military deferments. Just a real patriot, isn't he?

Prez pu$$ygrabber your Prez. Not mine. Proud to be a Canadian until he's gone.

motoged - 1-30-2017 at 11:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Proud to be a Canadian until he's gone.

....

Lee, I agree with all you said, but....AGAIN.....NOT COOL to call yourself a Canadian if you are not .....it's kinda lie the "Stolen Valour" thing yanks get worked up about.....

Aside from that, we're good :cool:

imlost - 1-30-2017 at 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

I find it funny and interesting. Trump is doing exactly what he said he would do. ...Set back and enjoy the show.

You and I (and every other American) are going to end up paying for the show, and I'm guessing that's not going to make it near as enjoyable as you're saying it will. Mexico is never going to pay for that wall - you and I are. Oh, and sit back and relax while the US's relationships with the rest of the world go to shidt. ...HAHA. Really funny and interesting. :?: