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Might be time to brush up on your US history/civics lessons...

Whale-ista - 2-1-2017 at 08:59 PM

Sharing as an FYI for anyone who might need to renew their passports sometime soon, after living outside the US for a while.

I'll post a brief note from near the end: "All citizens living abroad may be subject to informal investigation due to heightened security measure in the USA before final submission of new passport requests."

This was posted on Facebook today by Joel Kenneth Minor who applied to renew his passport in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates. He claims he was asked the following questions and had this conversation with a State Department employee:

UPDATE UPDATE UPDATE: on the previous interview post yesterday.
Let me start by saying. We all know the government can get and see pretty much whatever they want to about is online. So there is no reason to hide anything in this interview. Below is the questions and answers as close to the same order as I can remember. I have put a * next to the questions i found strange and concerning. I will then follow with my thoughts. Like before in the original post above.
Q. Is your name Joel Kenneth Miner?
A.Yes.
Q. About 6 to 7 questions about dob. Social security number. Place of birth. Mother and fathers name. Basic info for identification purposes. (No issues here.)
Q. Are you or any of your family member followers of the Islamic faith?
A. I have a brother who is a wounded veteran and practices Islam.
(This question is only slightly concerning but not enough for me to worry as there was no follow up about which brother or his name.)
Q. Did you vote for President Donald J. Trump?**
A. I do not wish to disclose my ballot selection at this time.
Q. Do you recognize President Donald J. Trump as the legal and authorized leader of the executive branch?***
A. I recognize him as the President chosen via electoral college to represent the U.S.A.
Q. Are you an Islamic sympathizer?
A. What do you mean?
Q. Do you believe the U.S.A is a Christian nation?***
A. Our country was founded on securalist beliefs that all men can worship how they choose without fear that the government will impose any one belief on it's people.
Q. When did the USA obtain indepence?
A: we delcared independence on July 4th 1776 and obtained it after defeating the British Empire in the Revolutionary war in 1783 with the Treaty of Paris. (Suprised look on his face. I love history)
Response: 1776 would have been fine.
Q: who leads the executive branch of government?
A. The president.
Q. Who is in charge of the legislative branch?
A. Congress
Q. Who leads the Judicial branch?
A. The supreme court.
Q. Who was the 1st president of the United states?
A. George Washington.
Q. Who was president during the Emancipation Proclamation?
A. Abraham Lincoln.
Q. Do you think a Muslim should be allowed to be President?***
A. Yes, if they meet all the requirements under the Constitution and obtain the votes.
Q. Do you believe that the USA is in a holy war with Islam?***
A. No but i think the government is using war and fear to increase corporate interests.
Q. Have you ever been arrested in protest of the US government?***
A. I have never been arrested in protest.
Q. Do you think the US should build a wall to protect our borders?**
A. Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, yearning to breathe free.
(Gives a small smirk)
Q. If you were called to war would you answer?
A. I would support and defend the constitution of the United States of America.
Q. What is your religious affiliation?***
A. I refuse to answer at this time.
Q. Would you ever stand in protest of the US government or its officials?***
A. I will protect my nation against all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC.
(Chokes in a laugh with a small cough.)
Q. Did you leave the USA to avoid legal action against you?
A. No
Q. Do you think Islam is a threat to the USA?****
A. No
Q. Do you consider yourself a patriot?**
A. I will defend my country and its people from any regime or government that shows its purpose is to deny or remove the individual freedoms so many have died for. Be they foreign or domestic.
Q. Do you have anything you would like to add?
A. I love the USA. I did not choose to leave out of hate or anger or fear. I chose to take advantage of the freedom being a citizen of such a great country affords me. I chose to travel, explore the depths of my spirituality, expand my knowledge and career and move forward on a life i choose because of the freedom my country has. I will always love my native land and i will always support equality and justice for all.
(He nods)
Interviewer: slides a memo over which reads. All citizens living abroad may be subject to informal investigation due to heightened security measure in the USA before final submission of new passport requests.
Pulls memo away.
Me. Sir this is not the same....
He cuts me off. Mr. Miner we all have a job to do don't we. No need to cause any problems. Your passport should be available for pick within the next 3 weeks. Have a good day.
Me. You too.
We shake hands and part.
There were some other questions intermittently about all the visas and stamps in my passport. Why i was requesting extra pages. A couple more about work history and my military service but none that i think need to be added here. Thoughts below.
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Overall I found the interview to be more about why i left, why so many places traveled. Basic questions about identity and some intense history of the US government similar to what immigrants have to know for citizenship requests.

The questions about donald trump, immigration, war and my religion definatelu rubbed me the wrong way. Based off the previous memo compared to the new one and the random placement of some of the questions (almost as of catching me off guard woudl reveal some hidden truth ) my gut tells me that this is all a little fishy. I don't know if any of these investigative interviews will lead to any negative impact towards citizens or if it is just weird questions mixed in with what i would find totally acceptable concerns for a citizen living abroad. It is almost as if donald trump got an interview form for citizneship and added his own questions in order to boost his ego.

Overall i think we should be cautious and pay attention to what we are asked and how we respond but i find this more amusing now then disheartening. There were even moment where it was obviius the interviewer was as shocked as i was by some of the questions he was asking. I dont think this is a witch hunt (yet) and i think as more people exeperience these types of interviews my hope is that the silly non pertinant questions will eventually find their way out.

Be careful and continue to educate ones self.

WhackAMolE - 2-1-2017 at 09:48 PM

"Q. Do you recognize President Donald J. Trump as the legal and authorized leader of the executive branch?***"

This does not pass the smell test. Fake news. If it happened to your brother in law that's one thing. If it's just something someone posted on Facebook I don't believe it. Not with those questions.

"Q. Do you consider yourself a patriot?**"

Come on, man. That's a troll post. If I'm wrong I'll say so. Any evidence this is for real?

"Q. Who was president during the Emancipation Proclamation?

That's like one of those videos where they ask random people about US history. Jay Leno Jaywalking type stuff. The average person has no idea. This post is a fake.

[Edited on 2-2-2017 by WhackAMolE]

BornFisher - 2-1-2017 at 10:00 PM

I went red flags all over this too. If this is real, I`m stunned.
Fake news I bet!!

bajaguy - 2-1-2017 at 10:09 PM

Facebook link, please

Whale-ista - 2-1-2017 at 10:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Facebook link, please



Here is the link:

https://www.facebook.com/joel.k.miner?fref=nf&pnref=stor...

I didn't post a FB link in the initial post since some people have commented they don't like to visit FB pages. I was trying to make it easier to read his story.

As I noted: it's an FYI.

karenintx - 2-2-2017 at 07:26 AM


Facebook...Falsebook...Fishbook

The biggest "False News" contributor.


DENNIS - 2-2-2017 at 08:15 AM



Total beer bar BS.

Rainer - 2-2-2017 at 09:20 AM

Those questions for RENEWING your Passport?
Total BS.
I could see SOME of those questions for visa applicants.........

Bajaboy - 2-2-2017 at 09:39 AM

Might be time to delete this thread:light:

motoged - 2-2-2017 at 10:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Might be time to delete this thread:light:


Better do it right away....don't want folks to think this might be happening....:rolleyes:

chuckie - 2-2-2017 at 10:16 AM

Canadians have to sign in blood...

motoged - 2-2-2017 at 10:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Canadians have to sign in blood...


Ah, yes...the American way....

BajaBlanca - 2-2-2017 at 11:13 AM

OMGosh How crazy if it were true.

TMW - 2-2-2017 at 12:22 PM

Interesting

danzanti - 2-2-2017 at 12:50 PM

A sad testament to the current state of affairs that we need to pause and wonder if this is fake news.

David K - 2-2-2017 at 08:04 PM

... and if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...
???

mtgoat666 - 2-2-2017 at 08:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
... and if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...
???


Did YOU lose your doctor?


Barry A. - 2-2-2017 at 10:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
... and if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor...
???


Did YOU lose your doctor?



I did, and then could not find another-----------none of them wanted to tend to those on Govt. programs including Medicare, ObamaCare, or Medical. I FINALLY found one that would take me, but not my first choice by a long shot. It was pretty crazy there, for a few months without a doctor.




motoged - 2-3-2017 at 09:32 AM

David,
Who lost their jobs? Do you have any evidence to back that up?

And while you are at it, what personality traits and administrative skills has your guy impressed you with?

paranewbi - 2-3-2017 at 11:39 AM

"Who lost their jobs? Do you have any evidence to back that up?"
YES but I won't out them by name as I don't have their permission...
Several acquaintances did not exactly lose their jobs they just had their hours from full time cut below the 32 hour threshold for insurance requirements on the employer. And then when they went for a second job because they couldn't live on the reduced hours they were only offered such as 6 hours (Walmart) or a required 30 hours. The result is several of my friends work 3 jobs (none providing insurance thus money out of their pocket for such) or work 60 plus hours to maintain their life style (of course that raises their wage and requires a greater percentage of the insurance they purchase paid for).

On the other hand...my friends who own small businesses (Donut shop, Construction, etc.) cut the hours of their staff and hired more PART TIME employees to cover the hours cut for staff all to avoid the unaffordable position of providing insurance which essentially would come from their paycheck (profits). Their own workload increased under this because now they handle more employees to do the same amount of work.

Does that answer your question?

BornFisher - 2-3-2017 at 11:47 AM

I didn`t lose my doctor----- but my insurance was canceled!

Mogojed-- countries don`t have friends. They have interests.

DENNIS - 2-3-2017 at 01:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  

It's never too late to go back to college or learn a new skill.



"Physician, heal thyself"

[Edited on 2-3-2017 by DENNIS]

bajaguy - 2-3-2017 at 02:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
......... and then there are those who have been left behind without skills or college degrees, and now work at places like Walmart, or compete against the Mexicans in the construction field.................





And who's fault is that?? I worked hard at several crappy part time jobs to put myself through college......Nobody helped me but myself. It's all about choices and personal responsibility.

motoged - 2-3-2017 at 02:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  

It's never too late to go back to college or learn a new skill.



"Physician, heal thyself"

[Edited on 2-3-2017 by DENNIS]


Dennis,
I thought that the American Dream notion was that if you work hard, prosperity would be your reward. Hard work, no expectations that the government owed you anything, and no handouts....

At least I remember something like that.

Nuthin rong with a edumacation...

mtgoat666 - 2-3-2017 at 02:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
......... and then there are those who have been left behind without skills or college degrees, and now work at places like Walmart, or compete against the Mexicans in the construction field.................





And who's fault is that?? I worked hard at several crappy part time jobs to put myself through college......Nobody helped me but myself. It's all about choices and personal responsibility.


You are such a hypocrit. You were a govt emplyee. You live off a govt pension and get govt health care. The majority of your life has been supported by tax payers. And you scream and complain if a few poor people get govt aid or health care. You are a hypocrit.

paranewbi - 2-3-2017 at 02:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
People working low skill/low pay jobs would be better off with govt single payer system. Such people are pretty stupid to vote for Trump who supports old status quo of emplyer-provide health ins, as emplyers refuse to provide health ins to pawn class of workers.

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
"Who lost their jobs? Do you have any evidence to back that up?"
YES but I won't out them by name as I don't have their permission...
Several acquaintances did not exactly lose their jobs they just had their hours from full time cut below the 32 hour threshold for insurance requirements on the employer. And then when they went for a second job because they couldn't live on the reduced hours they were only offered such as 6 hours (Walmart) or a required 30 hours. The result is several of my friends work 3 jobs (none providing insurance thus money out of their pocket for such) or work 60 plus hours to maintain their life style (of course that raises their wage and requires a greater percentage of the insurance they purchase paid for).

On the other hand...my friends who own small businesses (Donut shop, Construction, etc.) cut the hours of their staff and hired more PART TIME employees to cover the hours cut for staff all to avoid the unaffordable position of providing insurance which essentially would come from their paycheck (profits). Their own workload increased under this because now they handle more employees to do the same amount of work.

Does that answer your question?


I am so glad the 'minority' rules...
Won in the White House
Won in the Senate
Won in the Congress
Won in the Governorships
They are so Stupid.

JoeJustJoe - 2-3-2017 at 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
......... and then there are those who have been left behind without skills or college degrees, and now work at places like Walmart, or compete against the Mexicans in the construction field.................





And who's fault is that?? I worked hard at several crappy part time jobs to put myself through college......Nobody helped me but myself. It's all about choices and personal responsibility.


I'm not really disagreeing with you here, I was just commenting on the "deplorables" who are without an college education, job skills, are white, and feel they have been left behind.

They have been left behind, and it's only going to get worse for them, starting with their free or low cost health care, which they soon may lose, without any replacement. Of course, if they blame, the Mexicans, for their plight, and build a wall, they may feel better,

Bajaguy, I love your story about you being the type of guy, who pulled yourself up by the bootstraps, because nobody helped you get ahead. So is this why you want to stick it to others?

But it didn't have to be like that, considering you probably grew up during the Johnson administration, and the , Great Society, with medicare, the GI bill, and just about free college to anyone who had the grades to go to college, and other great social programs that young people don't have today. Today young people can't work part time to pay for their college, it's students loans of thousands of dollars they have to pay back.