Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  | This is getting weird. One side says I am a racist Islamophobe and the other says I'm wandering in the mist of radical Liberalism. How's that for
labels? What does it get? Nothing. So let's drop it.
For one, I'm not a fan of either major political party. I don't trust McConnell any more than I trusted Reid (and he was my Senator for a decade).
They are both liars and in the same boat as far as I'm concerned. I was disappointed in Bush (the younger) and I didn't trust any of the Clintons.
Their foundation will turn out to be a slush fund. Although i didn't vote for Obama I really felt he had the opportunity to one the greatest
Presidents this country ever had. Unfortunately he didn't live up to my initial cogitations.
Frankly, I don't think any Presidential administration since Eisenhower has been worth a damn, save maybe Reagan (that's as far as I go back with any
memory).
Now we come to the current administration. I don't feel he's either right or left but somewhere in the middle. It's way too early to make a concise
decision as to whether or not he's good for the country IN THE LONG RUN.
Kennedy had Cuba right at first, Truman had to drop the bomb, Johnson inherited the VN war, Nixon tried a cover up, they all have issues either right
at first or somewhere along the way. There will never be a "perfect" candidate but somehow we always muddle through. For 240+ years, we've muddled
through.
Right now we have a President that half the country voted for (right at 63 million people and yes we have an Electoral College for a valid reason that
our forefathers were enlightened enough to foresee the need for same and I would say that no matter who won ) and i'm not fully convinced of
everything he wants to do is correct but enough seems to be to be able to support him and see how things turn out. Could he turn out to be a disaster?
Sure, just like others in the last 44 Presidents have been but we don't know yet. It's too early to tell. If one studies American history we can see
parallels in other administrations and heated debates about the then current President as far back as we go (just look to Adams and Jefferson, at
times they hated each other but on July the 4th 1826 Jefferson's last words were, "at least Adams survives" (paraphrased), unfortunately Adams died
the same day). BTW, that was exactly 50 years to the day of the signing of the Declaration of Independence, but, we always seem to come through in the
end.
Now if anyone wants to have a reasonable discussion on immigration I'm all ears. But I would preface it with this question (and it is a question for
discussion ans NOT an accusation).
Does any independent State (that is the correct term) have the right to control who they allow in through their borders?
It's an easy question to answer, only one of two answers- yes or no.
If you want to answer please back it up with why you feel that way in a courteous manner.
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Cliffy, you want people to answer your provocative question on immigration where you try to limit their answers to a yes or no answer like an attorney
would ask to restrict them and back them in the corner.
Like I said, Cliffy, no pretend fence sitters because I have no respect for anyone who sits on the fence throwing rocks at only one side of the aisle
and then acting like they're neutral or they claim they don't like either side of the aisle, be it democrat or republican, liberal or conservative.
Your type always claims, nobody is good enough for him regarding past Presidents, yet reading between the lines, your political leanings come through
loud and clear.
You Cliffy, are a Trumpster, that much is obvious, and you have been conservative for many years, maybe not ultra conservative, but for sure
conservative, and you're anti-immigration, and you maybe even racist if you voted for Trump!
You think Reagan, was a good President, so you can't be liberal, because most liberals think Reagan, was stupid, uninformed, and even senile when he
was in office, but he knew his limitations and depended on those around him including his wife, who consulted the stars with the help of an astrologer
to chart America's course. Reagan, was pretty much responsible for widening the divide between the rich and poor.
Look at how you bash Clinton, and it's amazing you didn't bring up Monica. Clinton's eight years in office, were great, better than anything Reagan
did, and he balanced the budget, but eight years later that dope George Bush, left the USA on a brink of another great depression, but Obama, brought
the USA back, as well as could be expected, giving the hole Bush left Obama in.
Cliffy, you didn't vote for Obama, not even in his first term when he was running on" hope and change," and most people wanted to get away from what
Bush did the previous eight years, and McCain, was seen as someone who would continue Bush''s polices.
I'm sorry Cliffy, that alone pigeonholes you as least a conservative, maybe not a republican, because after eight years of Bush, republican became
a bad word, so conservatives labeled themselves as Libertarian or so-called Independent conservatives, but their stripes never changed.
What really gives you away Cliffy, is the way you act like Trump is a normal President, that you're willing to give him a chance. Any liberal,
probably most Independents, and even many conservatives see Trump, as a megalomaniac, racist thin-skinned fool, who now thinks he is king of the USA,
and the world! We will be lucky that Trump, doesn't start world war III because another country's leader insulted him.
Cliffy, you say that Trump won half the vote. That's wrong, he lost to Hillary Clinton, by 3 million votes, although he did win the dated Electoral
College that should be abolished in favor of the popular vote to reflect the will of the people, and because I'm tired of seeing a handful of small
swing states with deplorable white non-educated voters determine everything.
[Edited on 2-6-2017 by JoeJustJoe] |
