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300 Haitians applied for residency in Mexicali. How?

dumbdog - 2-26-2017 at 12:01 AM

http://www.uniradioinforma.com/noticias/mexicali/467530/300-...

So far 300 Haitian migrants have applied for residency in Mexicali and I want to know HOW?

1.They’ve been in Mexicali for months. They have no proof of any income about zero Haitian gourde a month! Supposedly migracion demands Americans prove either 25,000 pesos or 40,000 pesos a month.
2.Most Haitians in Mexicali live for free in church-sponsored charity homes. They have no money. Yes, some pay for their housing, but do they have enough to pay for Mexican residency card. I’ve heard prices here anywhere from 230 to 852 usd. I would gamble 100 bucks that they’re not being charged for the residency card.

3.So if I don’t have to prove monthly income and I don’t have to pay for the residency card, I’ll apply YESTERDAY!

Does anyone know how to pull this one off?
Thanks,
Eugene

larryC - 2-26-2017 at 07:38 AM

Sounds like it is easy to pull off, just come to Mexicali from Haiti and live on handouts at some church for a while and then get your free residency card. Who wouldn't do that?

mtgoat666 - 2-26-2017 at 07:49 AM

Not unsurprising to see that some nomads have no ability to have compassion for Haitians.
Probably due to some nomads being so ignorant and closed-minded that they don't even have any idea of what has gone on in Haiti.
Other nomads are just selfish psychopaths that are aware of what has gone on in Haiti and simply say "tough chit."
Sad!

bajaguy - 2-26-2017 at 08:35 AM

Maybe you should go hang out on Av Melchor Ocampo in TJ and try to blend in

Hook - 2-26-2017 at 10:06 AM

Rules bent in Mexico? Nah, that never happens.....................

It might not even be a bending of the rules. When I originally applied for a res. temp a few years back, I seem to remember a category you could check that indicated you were applying for admission to Mexico on humanitarian grounds or asylum or something like that. Maybe those persons are exempt from the fees that person's with income are expected to pay?

I think it's great that Mexico is willing to take in immigrants on human rights grounds. Why must it always be the US and Canada in North America?

Still, I suspect this is a PR ploy by Mexico, in retaliation for the new immigration policies of the U.S. It makes them look more magnanimous on immigration than the US, if only for a brief instant.

Or maybe this is not new at all, and is a bit of "fake news"; opportunism by a media outlet that is aware that it will garner attention.

"Fake news" is real, IMO, on both sides of the political spectrum, by both public and private entities.

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by Hook]

David K - 2-26-2017 at 10:35 AM

So, they were able to get from their island to Mexicali (of all possible places to go), and that's it?

Why Mexicali? That's not the garden spot of Mexico, after all.

The goal would seem to be the United States? So, instead of seeking a visa or immigration paperwork in Haiti, at the U.S. embassy. They paid to go to Mexicali, all they way across Mexico from the Carribean coast, as that must be the easiest way to break into this country?


Perhaps? I mean my wife and I were witnesses to this recently, at Mexicali! (July 2015):






We watched him run off into a Calexico neighborhood before the border patrol Jeep got there.

AKgringo - 2-26-2017 at 10:44 AM

Mexico apparently does't welcome immigrants from it's southern neighbors....unless, of course, they can afford a 'Coyote' to get them to the US border!

bajaguy - 2-26-2017 at 10:51 AM

http://www.worldcrunch.com/migrant-lives-1/why-haitian-migra...

DaliDali - 2-26-2017 at 11:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Mexico apparently does't welcome immigrants from it's southern neighbors....unless, of course, they can afford a 'Coyote' to get them to the US border!


And it's reported that to engage a "coyote" to lead these people thru the maze of obstacles to enter the USA, those costs are in the thousands of dollars.

Dollars that could be spent on seeking a legal way to do it from the get go.

JoeJustJoe - 2-26-2017 at 11:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Not unsurprising to see that some nomads have no ability to have compassion for Haitians.
Probably due to some nomads being so ignorant and closed-minded that they don't even have any idea of what has gone on in Haiti.
Other nomads are just selfish psychopaths that are aware of what has gone on in Haiti and simply say "tough chit."
Sad!


Yeah really, I suspect the real problem for some Nomads is the skin color of the Haitians.

I haven't followed the Haitians situation in Tijuana, Mexico, closely, but I heard it had something to do with Hurricane Matthew, destroying 1000's of homes in Haiti, and it's some type of humanitarian aid for Haitian refugees,especially since U.S. Customs, can't process them fast enough, or are dragging their feet because the US has a history of racially discriminating against Haitians for years now, and so Mexico stepped up to the plate, and are now welcoming the Haitians in Mexico/Baja.

Since the Haitians are refugees, they obviously don't have to meet the same requirements of other foreigners wanting to live in Mexico.

DaliDali - 2-26-2017 at 11:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Not unsurprising to see that some nomads have no ability to have compassion for Haitians.
Probably due to some nomads being so ignorant and closed-minded that they don't even have any idea of what has gone on in Haiti.
Other nomads are just selfish psychopaths that are aware of what has gone on in Haiti and simply say "tough chit."
Sad!


Yeah really, I suspect the real problem for some Nomads is the skin color of the Haitians.

I haven't followed the Haitians situation in Tijuana, Mexico, closely, but I heard it had something to do with Hurricane Matthew, destroying 1000's of homes in Haiti, and it's some type of humanitarian aid for Haitian refugees,especially since U.S. Customs, can't process them fast enough, or are dragging their feet because the US has a history of racially discriminating against Haitians for years now, and so Mexico stepped up to the plate, and are now welcoming the Haitians in Mexico/Baja.

Since the Haitians are refugees, they obviously don't have to meet the same requirements of other foreigners wanting to live in Mexico.


If you have read the article posted up by Bajaguy, the Mexican on the street in Tijuana does not hold these same "welcoming" viewpoints that the government may or may not have towards Haitians.

Refugees from any country normally have to make or submit an application to their intended host country for refugee status and be accepted or rejected as such...
It would seem these Haitians did neither and just descended on Mexico, as a path towards the USA.

Now, the funds that should go to support those Mexicans living in shacks, are partially or wholly diverted to the care and feeding of migrants who unilaterally decided to swoop in on Mexico.

And these same Mexicans are now peeed that "other" people are sucking up their rightful resources.

The government of Mexico may "say" they are compassionate and welcoming to immigrants, legal or otherwise, but that flies in the face of their refusal to allow in, migrants seeking solace from the chaos on their own southern border with Central America.

If the truth were to be known, the Mexican government would rather see these Haitians just disappear into the hinterlands of the USA and become the charge of the man on the street in downtown Salinas CA and rid themselves of this drain on their resources.....of which there is a pittance to go around.




[Edited on 2-26-2017 by DaliDali]

woody with a view - 2-26-2017 at 11:47 AM

Didn't the Clinton Foundation sweep thru that island a few years back? You know, with mega-million$ to assist in rebuilding!

edit: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/hillary-clint...

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by woody with a view]

DaliDali - 2-26-2017 at 11:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Didn't the Clinton Foundation sweep thru that island a few years back? You know, with mega-million$ to assist in rebuilding!


Yes.....and not only the Clinton global foundation, but millions in public funds as well.
Someone got rich(er) didn't they?

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by DaliDali]

JoeJustJoe - 2-26-2017 at 12:03 PM

Hurricane Matthew was a recent category 5 hurricane, so I don't understand the venom towards the Clinton Foundation.

It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

Give the Haitians a break, and hope they get the help they need in Mexico, since Trump, had completely cut off any Haitians coming to America, because it conflicts with his goal, of "Making America white again."

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Hurricane Matthew was an extremely destructive and long-lived tropical cyclone which became the first Category 5 Atlantic hurricane since Hurricane Felix in 2007. The thirteenth named storm, fifth hurricane and second major hurricane of the active 2016 Atlantic hurricane season, Matthew wrought widespread destruction and catastrophic loss of life during its journey across the Western Atlantic, including parts of Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republic, the Lucayan Archipelago, the southeastern United States, and the Canadian Maritimes. Over 1,600 estimated deaths have been attributed to the storm, including 546 to 1,600 in Haiti, 1 in Colombia, 4 in the Dominican Republic, 4 in Cuba, 1 in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and 49 in the United States, making it the deadliest Atlantic hurricane since Hurricane Stan in 2005, which killed more than 1,600 in Central America and Mexico. With the storm causing damages estimated in excess of $15 billion (USD), it was also the costliest Atlantic hurricane since Hurricane Sandy in 2012, as well as the ninth costliest Atlantic hurricane in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Matthew

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

DaliDali - 2-26-2017 at 12:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

______________________________________________________

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]


Yet they had time to line up a boat out of Haiti, secure funding to pay the captain (good samaritan ship show up and transport for free?) fuel, stores of food and water, and a crew, steam the thousand miles to Central or South America, pay a coyote to lead them thru the jungles of Central America, pay another coyote to wind their way north and payoff the MX officials to look the other way and land in Tijuana and then suck the resources of real poverty plagued Mexicans and then pitch a hissy they don't like the food?....

And all the while a US Consulate and a Mexican embassy was just a cart ride away, down the lane in Port au Prince to apply for refugee status?...




[Edited on 2-26-2017 by DaliDali]

chuckie - 2-26-2017 at 01:13 PM

More DK BS....that picture he posted the he and his wife were "witness to"?Has been around forever on a bunch of websites...What a putz..

willardguy - 2-26-2017 at 01:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
More DK BS....that picture he posted the he and his wife were "witness to"?Has been around forever on a bunch of websites...What a putz..


:lol:...Special K on his way to 50K

David K - 2-26-2017 at 01:41 PM

They are from my camera... and I posted them HERE in my July 2015 trip report, where you saw them first.

It indeed looks very similar to other criminal crossing photos. Why would I take time to make something like that up? Oh, you can see the Calexico water tower in the background, so you know how close to the legal crossing this was at.

For Fake News, go the CNN, The Huffington Post or New York Times... but not from me. Life is too weird without making stuff up!

blackwolfmt - 2-26-2017 at 01:49 PM

chuckie blowin smoke again, just like his old dodge:bounce:

JoeJustJoe - 2-26-2017 at 03:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

______________________________________________________

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]


Yet they had time to line up a boat out of Haiti, secure funding to pay the captain (good samaritan ship show up and transport for free?) fuel, stores of food and water, and a crew, steam the thousand miles to Central or South America, pay a coyote to lead them thru the jungles of Central America, pay another coyote to wind their way north and payoff the MX officials to look the other way and land in Tijuana and then suck the resources of real poverty plagued Mexicans and then pitch a hissy they don't like the food?....

And all the while a US Consulate and a Mexican embassy was just a cart ride away, down the lane in Port au Prince to apply for refugee status?...




Really, those Haitians must have lots of money to do everything you claim above, or you have been reading " breitbart" or Alex Jones writings, and then re-posting it here.

Haitian Invasion Imminent ?

MrBillM - 2-26-2017 at 05:09 PM

Obviously, we're about to be inundated with French-Speaking Dark-Skinned Vagrants threatening to put our economy on the skids.

Be ready with ICE on your speed-dial in case you run into one.

Nip this threat in the bud.

mtgoat666 - 2-26-2017 at 05:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

______________________________________________________

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]


Yet they had time to line up a boat out of Haiti, secure funding to pay the captain (good samaritan ship show up and transport for free?) fuel, stores of food and water, and a crew, steam the thousand miles to Central or South America, pay a coyote to lead them thru the jungles of Central America, pay another coyote to wind their way north and payoff the MX officials to look the other way and land in Tijuana and then suck the resources of real poverty plagued Mexicans and then pitch a hissy they don't like the food?....

And all the while a US Consulate and a Mexican embassy was just a cart ride away, down the lane in Port au Prince to apply for refugee status?...




[Edited on 2-26-2017 by DaliDali]


You are such an expert, your obesity and smugness befit you!

bajaguy - 2-26-2017 at 05:14 PM

Well, just how did they get to northern Baja....VISA, Mastercard, UN funding, piggy banks???

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

______________________________________________________

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]


Yet they had time to line up a boat out of Haiti, secure funding to pay the captain (good samaritan ship show up and transport for free?) fuel, stores of food and water, and a crew, steam the thousand miles to Central or South America, pay a coyote to lead them thru the jungles of Central America, pay another coyote to wind their way north and payoff the MX officials to look the other way and land in Tijuana and then suck the resources of real poverty plagued Mexicans and then pitch a hissy they don't like the food?....

And all the while a US Consulate and a Mexican embassy was just a cart ride away, down the lane in Port au Prince to apply for refugee status?...




Really, those Haitians must have lots of money to do everything you claim above, or you have been reading " breitbart" or Alex Jones writings, and then re-posting it here.

mtgoat666 - 2-26-2017 at 05:19 PM

Only a trump voter could think that Haitian refugees are middle class travelers with credit cards! :lol::lol:

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Well, just how did they get to northern Baja....VISA, Mastercard, UN funding, piggy banks???

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

______________________________________________________

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]


Yet they had time to line up a boat out of Haiti, secure funding to pay the captain (good samaritan ship show up and transport for free?) fuel, stores of food and water, and a crew, steam the thousand miles to Central or South America, pay a coyote to lead them thru the jungles of Central America, pay another coyote to wind their way north and payoff the MX officials to look the other way and land in Tijuana and then suck the resources of real poverty plagued Mexicans and then pitch a hissy they don't like the food?....

And all the while a US Consulate and a Mexican embassy was just a cart ride away, down the lane in Port au Prince to apply for refugee status?...




Really, those Haitians must have lots of money to do everything you claim above, or you have been reading " breitbart" or Alex Jones writings, and then re-posting it here.

bajaguy - 2-26-2017 at 06:05 PM

As usual, the point went over your head

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Only a trump voter could think that Haitian refugees are middle class travelers with credit cards! :lol::lol:

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Well, just how did they get to northern Baja....VISA, Mastercard, UN funding, piggy banks???

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

______________________________________________________

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]


Yet they had time to line up a boat out of Haiti, secure funding to pay the captain (good samaritan ship show up and transport for free?) fuel, stores of food and water, and a crew, steam the thousand miles to Central or South America, pay a coyote to lead them thru the jungles of Central America, pay another coyote to wind their way north and payoff the MX officials to look the other way and land in Tijuana and then suck the resources of real poverty plagued Mexicans and then pitch a hissy they don't like the food?....

And all the while a US Consulate and a Mexican embassy was just a cart ride away, down the lane in Port au Prince to apply for refugee status?...




Really, those Haitians must have lots of money to do everything you claim above, or you have been reading " breitbart" or Alex Jones writings, and then re-posting it here.

motoged - 2-26-2017 at 08:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  


Life is too weird without making stuff up!


David,

Ya, you got that right :cool: :light:

Beagle - 2-26-2017 at 08:59 PM

The short of it is that the monthly income is only ONE of the conditions you have the option to meet.

There are other options. Real Estate worth, etc….but what they probably are seeking is under Political Asylum (if I remember correctly, that is a condition you can apply under)….considering they are from Haiti.

DaliDali - 2-27-2017 at 06:48 AM

These Haitians were not fleeing rockets, barrel bombs, barbed wire, mortar fire and nightly wild eyed Jihadist raids.

They ran away from their countrymen, their families and their "society" as cowards....once the hurricane passed, the imminent danger was over and Haiti was left with rescues, health care, feeding the hungry and rebuilding.

In Haiti's time of great need, with destruction and ruin, most stayed and helped the rescue, the cleanup, the rebuilding and changing of bandages on the injured, distributed food and aid from various countries, set up shelters, cooked food and tried their best to make the land whole again.

And these 300 cowards ran away, hopped a tramp steamer to Central America, trekked north into Mexico with eyes on the USA... and looked for someone else to care for, and feed them in the land of milk and honey....while their own countrymen stayed back and assisted with the leftover carnage

Despicable cowards.....when the Haitian people and aid workers were running into the danger to help, these cowards ran away from it all.....taking money away from the relief effort to pay their transport to another world....while their brothers and sisters bled and screamed for a bit of gruel to sustain them another day.

Able bodied Haitians, fully able to make the trek of thousands of miles by boat, on foot and overland in some of the thickest jungles of the entire world......they just ran away.


mtgoat666 - 2-27-2017 at 06:58 AM

Now I understand why they call you people the deplorables!

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
These Haitians were not fleeing rockets, barrel bombs, barbed wire, mortar fire and nightly wild eyed Jihadist raids.

They ran away from their countrymen, their families and their "society" as cowards....once the hurricane passed, the imminent danger was over and Haiti was left with rescues, health care, feeding the hungry and rebuilding.

In Haiti's time of great need, with destruction and ruin, most stayed and helped the rescue, the cleanup, the rebuilding and changing of bandages on the injured, distributed food and aid from various countries, set up shelters, cooked food and tried their best to make the land whole again.

And these 300 cowards ran away, hopped a tramp steamer to Central America, trekked north into Mexico with eyes on the USA... and looked for someone else to care for, and feed them in the land of milk and honey....while their own countrymen stayed back and assisted with the leftover carnage

Despicable cowards.....when the Haitian people and aid workers were running into the danger to help, these cowards ran away from it all.....taking money away from the relief effort to pay their transport to another world....while their brothers and sisters bled and screamed for a bit of gruel to sustain them another day.

Able bodied Haitians, fully able to make the trek of thousands of miles by boat, on foot and overland in some of the thickest jungles of the entire world......they just ran away.


Lobsterman - 2-27-2017 at 07:49 AM

Spot on Dali.

Your courage for calling it like it is, is not going un-noticed. The resident anarchists Goat & Joe despise anyone who does not believe in their twisted view of the world and attack the messengers like you with vile instead of calmly discussing why they disagree with your comment. That seems to be a appropriate response for the left's incivility today as Trump dismantles any record of Obama's legacy. A new era in USA history has started and an old tired one is being retired, hopefully for good. Thank God I lived to see this day.

I've always wondered if the left's system is so great back home why are so many on the left living in Mexico fulltime. Seems to me it is not much different from the Haitians abandoning their ship so as not to pay their fair share and assist their former country's growth. I guess one of the reasons is so they do not to pay their fair share of taxes and other commitments to their former country of residence that raised them. Just make the money and run with it philosophy. Very similar to what the above Haitians did to their country of origin.

Thank you President Donald Trump for your courage and unselfishness for giving our Country and our kids something to look forward to in the future instead of hopelessness and 3rd World Status.



...................Obama's Legacy.....................................


Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  
These Haitians were not fleeing rockets, barrel bombs, barbed wire, mortar fire and nightly wild eyed Jihadist raids.

They ran away from their countrymen, their families and their "society" as cowards....once the hurricane passed, the imminent danger was over and Haiti was left with rescues, health care, feeding the hungry and rebuilding.

In Haiti's time of great need, with destruction and ruin, most stayed and helped the rescue, the cleanup, the rebuilding and changing of bandages on the injured, distributed food and aid from various countries, set up shelters, cooked food and tried their best to make the land whole again.

And these 300 cowards ran away, hopped a tramp steamer to Central America, trekked north into Mexico with eyes on the USA... and looked for someone else to care for, and feed them in the land of milk and honey....while their own countrymen stayed back and assisted with the leftover carnage

Despicable cowards.....when the Haitian people and aid workers were running into the danger to help, these cowards ran away from it all.....taking money away from the relief effort to pay their transport to another world....while their brothers and sisters bled and screamed for a bit of gruel to sustain them another day.

Able bodied Haitians, fully able to make the trek of thousands of miles by boat, on foot and overland in some of the thickest jungles of the entire world......they just ran away.




[Edited on 2-27-2017 by Lobsterman]

JoeJustJoe - 2-27-2017 at 11:38 AM

Instead of reading racist rants against Haitians. I actually researched what happened to the Haitian refugees, and found out why and how they ended up in Mexico, although I ready had bits and pieces right in a few posts already in this thread.

It seems the Haitians are in Mexico due to first the Earthquake , that killed hundreds of Haitians and destroyed thousands of homes in 2010, and the recent category 5 hurricane in 2016.

It seems since the 2010 earthquake, the U.S. has been letting Haitians in under a humanitarian parole provision, for three years. However, thousands of poor Haitians who lost everything also made it down to Brazil, but the Brazilian economy had taken a big hit, and so many Haitians left Brazil any way they could, train, boat, cars, and even walking to try to get to the US, under the humanitarian parole provisions.

However, with the overwhelming influx of migrants, the U.S. revokes that privilege on the basis of improved conditions in Haiti, but then the more recent Hurricane Matthew hit, sending Haiti back into crisis, and gave Haitians hope they would be allowed back into the USA, although the official policy in the US was still deporting newly arriving Haitians, at the same time the US officials were letting a very few into the US because of the overcrowding.

Here we are now with a lot of Haitians stuck in Mexico, especially in Tijuana, where the Mexican people are showing hospitality to the migrant Haitians.

No doubt with the Trump administration, who already wants to have a religious test for new immigrants to the US, probably will also want a skin color test, so it looks like the Haitians will be stuck in Mexico for some time.

I would not be so quick to judge Haitians refugees, unless you personally walked in their shoes, but it's amazing so many closed border types and so-called good Christians, could be so hateful toward the Haitian immigrants.
________________________________

Tijuana welcomes Haitian immigrants stuck at U.S.-Mexico border


http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/tijuana-welcomes-haitian-immi...






JoeJustJoe - 2-27-2017 at 03:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Not that you will be swayed, but what rational people observe:
1) No religious test: the enhanced screenings were for countries that lacked government infrastructure to verify IDs. That they were all Muslim majority is what Fake news centered on. Saudi Arabia was not on the list, or most of the other Muslim majority nations.

2) Skin color??? Seriously weak. It is liberal politicians who make skin color a reason to divide us. Conservatives look at people as people and want everyone to succeed. The only benefit of wanting poor people are to democrats who use them for votes but never want them to be without a need for government programs.

Time to let the grown ups fix the mess the kids made the past 8 years.



David K, Tell that to Muhammad Ali's son, who was detained and questioned for two hours, especially about his religious background. No doubt the CPB agent thought he hit a jackpot, because not only was Ali, Muslim, but he was black too.

BTW, a recent study by the DHS reported that citizens from the 7 banned do not pose a increase in threat of terrorism, so it makes you wonder why the Trump administration went ahead with their Muslim ban.

It's also not fake news that the Federal Courts, especially the 9th circuit ruled against the Trump 7 country Muslim ban, in part because past statements count, and Trump and his other cronies talked about a Muslim ban.
_____________________________________________

US border agents ask Muhammad Ali's son: 'Are you a Muslim?'

Boxing legend’s 44-year-old son detained and questioned about religion after flying back to US from Jamaica, lawyer says

Border agents detained and questioned the son of the boxing legend Muhammad Ali about his religion when he flew back to the US this month, a family lawyer said.

“Where did you get your name from? Are you a Muslim?” they asked the 44-year-old Muhammad Ali Jr, who was born in Philadelphia and is a US citizen.

When Ali confirmed to immigration officials at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood international airport in Florida that he was a Muslim, they began questioning him about where he was born, family friend and lawyer Chris Mancini told the Courier-Journal newspaper. The questioning lasted for about two hours.

read the rest here:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/25/muhammad-ali...



[Edited on 2-27-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

elgatoloco - 2-27-2017 at 04:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  


Time to let the grown ups fix the mess the kids made the past 8 years.




:lol::lol:

motoged - 2-27-2017 at 04:53 PM

I just have to say that I am simply astounded with some of the hateful shyt I see in this thread.... :o

Sad, deplorable, shameful....and not one bit of it represents anything to do with "Christianity"

Even the Pope says that those type of people should not call themselves "Christians"...and better to be seen as atheists.

And the crap about "anarchists" ....

Simply mind-boggling how some of you think.... :wow:

joerover - 2-27-2017 at 06:06 PM

I asked CBP who all those people were, waiting to be let into the line? They said
¨These are your new neighbors.¨

All winter long there were perhaps 100 Haitian refugees waiting to cross the border at the rio tijuana foot crossing, each and every day.
I suppose they were Hatians anyway. what I saw every day was 100 or so able bodied young men for the most part waiting to be let into the line. Obama ordered 10,000 more refugees into the country at least a few times. About 5 weeks ago it stopped. Trump? I estimate some were late, and now live in Mexacali. TJTQ is to cold?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUsv4Lb7EQs

I happen to know the richest Hatian of all. Well I have not talked to her in more than 10 years. She made her fortune as a fortune teller. Remember the 1 900 late night comercial to call for your reading? (spoken in a mysterious accent.) She collected 1 billion USD in 1 900 bills. The courts offered her 500 million to drop the bill collection case. She took it. I told her to go back to Haiti and build some schools. She tried. The president of Haiti did not want schools built. He demanded a 30,000 dollar bribe. He said his son had a level 9 education and it did nothing for him. Yes. the president of Haiti considers a 9th grade education a waste of time. Last I herd, she was having tax problems, she forgot to pay.

Does this aply to that?
http://time.com/4674517/immigration-haiti-mexico/

New Orleans people traveled far and wide asking for hand outs.
Key West got hit 4 times that year, katrina and 3 others. At some point the entire island was under 8 feet of water. They fixed it intime for fantasy fest.

joerover - 2-27-2017 at 06:16 PM

Perhaps 2 years ago I saw a large group of Cubans waiting to cross from Nicaragua to Honduras, heading for California. Why go the long way? Good person that I am, I gave them what little food I had with me. Cuba seends the prettiest young ladies they have.

Tijuana is no bien para ninas.
The girl always loses in Tijuana.
Go another way.

The Maleficent Seven

MrBillM - 2-27-2017 at 07:05 PM

While the Trumpeteer Troopers are fond of citing the B.O. order regarding those Muslim countries, they are either ignorant of the substance of said action involving travelers or deliberately deceptive.

The effect of said order was to remove those travelers from the "Visa Waiver" program. Thus, bringing them under the normal Visa application scrutiny.

dumbdog - 2-27-2017 at 09:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Not unsurprising to see that some nomads have no ability to have compassion for Haitians.
Probably due to some nomads being so ignorant and closed-minded that they don't even have any idea of what has gone on in Haiti.
Other nomads are just selfish psychopaths that are aware of what has gone on in Haiti and simply say "tough chit."
Sad!


No, Sir, I'm fully aware of what they live through. But I'm here under the care of 2 specialists and a gp and I could go on and on about how I'm dying of heart failure, have atrial fibrillation, COPD and now lung infections. Other Americans tell me that I must pay between 250 and 852 USD for a residency card and I must prove 25,000 peso income minumum a month. I CAN'T DO EITHER TASK so I'm just wondering if I can show them the proof of my situation, which wouldn't be difficult, and ask for the residency card for free.

dumbdog - 2-27-2017 at 09:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Hurricane Matthew was a recent category 5 hurricane, so I don't understand the venom towards the Clinton Foundation.

It also seems to me if your house is destroyed in a category 5 hurricane, you're not going to have a lot of time filling out refugee paperwork.

Give the Haitians a break, and hope they get the help they need in Mexico, since Trump, had completely cut off any Haitians coming to America, because it conflicts with his goal, of "Making America white again."
The Haitians complain that the Clintons forced them to accept a certain singing star living in Miami to become their president. And it's true. They did. Michel Joseph Martelly was the President of Haiti from May 2011 until February 2016.
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Hurricane Matthew was an extremely destructive and long-lived tropical cyclone which became the first Category 5 Atlantic hurricane since Hurricane Felix in 2007. The thirteenth named storm, fifth hurricane and second major hurricane of the active 2016 Atlantic hurricane season, Matthew wrought widespread destruction and catastrophic loss of life during its journey across the Western Atlantic, including parts of Haiti, Cuba, Dominican Republic, the Lucayan Archipelago, the southeastern United States, and the Canadian Maritimes. Over 1,600 estimated deaths have been attributed to the storm, including 546 to 1,600 in Haiti, 1 in Colombia, 4 in the Dominican Republic, 4 in Cuba, 1 in Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, and 49 in the United States, making it the deadliest Atlantic hurricane since Hurricane Stan in 2005, which killed more than 1,600 in Central America and Mexico. With the storm causing damages estimated in excess of $15 billion (USD), it was also the costliest Atlantic hurricane since Hurricane Sandy in 2012, as well as the ninth costliest Atlantic hurricane in history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Matthew

Of course also about that time Nepal was kind enough to send Cholera to the island. The ongoing Haiti cholera outbreak is the worst epidemic of cholera in recent history, according .... That panel's report, issued in May 2011, confirmed substantial evidence that the Nepalese troops had brought the disease to Haiti.

Lastly, the US while Obama was still president decided to stop allowing Haitians into the country. They can't go to the USA. They won't go to Haiti, so Mexico would be the only and bestest choice, no? Except a few of them have AIDS.

[Edited on 2-26-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

JoeJustJoe - 2-28-2017 at 11:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I have gotten some bizarre questions when returning to the U.S., as well.

Isn't it nice to know we have a government interested in our safety instead of being politically correct, for a change? Maybe fewer of us will get killed now?

That list of countries was created by the Obama administration... and Jamaica wasn't on it. That means Ali's son may have been acting smug being a celebrity's son or had some other issue that caused the extra questioning.

If you have nothing to hide, then get done with the questions. Don't look for a Fake news reporter to whine to because an official asked you questions.

Have your passport in hand when you first come to the border agent and take off your dark glasses!

I actually had to tell this to a Baja Nomad friend when he complained of being treated 'special' at the border, a few years ago.


David K wrote: " That means Ali's son may have been acting smug being a celebrity's son or had some other issue that caused the extra questioning."

I see perhaps Ali's son was acting uppity and that may have caused the Jackbooted thugs at the CBP to start giving him the 3rd degree on his religious preferences, and the fact he admitted he was Muslim, had nothing to do with the fact that Ali, a US citizen born in the US, was questioned and detained for over two hours.

One wonders if the CBP can even ask questions about your personal beliefs, and religious preferences. I know for a fact, they can't discriminate against an American, because of their religious beliefs.

I'm not going to sound like one of those Keyboard commandos who claims they stand up to corrupt Mexican cops, and CBP agents who want to search your phone, because you really don't know what they will do if they come face to face with a Mexican cop, American cop, and FED like a CBP agent possibility abusing his authority.

I usually have a smart mouth towards regular cops if they stop me for no good reason, but I'm more careful with the FEDs, because there is no transparency with them. If you notice those that file lawsuits, and complaints against the border patrol, you rarely if ever hear about the outcome of those complaints.

But one way to handle a CBP agent asking about your personal religion, is to answer the questions that will help the agent determine that you're a US Citizen, but once they start asking about your personal beliefs, is to tell him you're a US citizen, and you can't be denied entry into the US, and therefore, you don't have to answer questions about your personal religious views, and if the CBP agent insists, ask to speak to a supervisor.

David K - 2-28-2017 at 12:39 PM

I am just wondering and that's why I said "May have".

What is your idea as to why a tourist returning from Jamaica (or was he there for political unrest) was questioned "extra"?

chuckie - 2-28-2017 at 02:18 PM

He went to Jamaica for "political unrest"????

JoeJustJoe - 2-28-2017 at 02:58 PM

JOeover, have you been smoking Jamaica ganja?

I ask because the first part of your post about 100 Haitians refugees, seems accurate, but the rest of your post about the fortune teller, is way out there!

Are you talking about Miss Cleo, the pay-per-call psychic and tarot reader who used to have those funny psychic commercials?

If so, Miss Cleo, was American, but pretended she was Jamaican, and claimed she studied under a Haitian mambo, but she was not Haitian. In fact it appears she was just a scam artist, and if she actually really got suckers to give here too to a billion dollars for a tarot readings, good for her, sometimes stupid people deserve to be ripped off.




Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
I asked CBP who all those people were, waiting to be let into the line? They said
¨These are your new neighbors.¨

All winter long there were perhaps 100 Haitian refugees waiting to cross the border at the rio tijuana foot crossing, each and every day.
I suppose they were Hatians anyway. what I saw every day was 100 or so able bodied young men for the most part waiting to be let into the line. Obama ordered 10,000 more refugees into the country at least a few times. About 5 weeks ago it stopped. Trump? I estimate some were late, and now live in Mexacali. TJTQ is to cold?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUsv4Lb7EQs

I happen to know the richest Hatian of all. Well I have not talked to her in more than 10 years. She made her fortune as a fortune teller. Remember the 1 900 late night comercial to call for your reading? (spoken in a mysterious accent.) She collected 1 billion USD in 1 900 bills. The courts offered her 500 million to drop the bill collection case. She took it. I told her to go back to Haiti and build some schools. She tried. The president of Haiti did not want schools built. He demanded a 30,000 dollar bribe. He said his son had a level 9 education and it did nothing for him. Yes. the president of Haiti considers a 9th grade education a waste of time. Last I herd, she was having tax problems, she forgot to pay.

Does this aply to that?
http://time.com/4674517/immigration-haiti-mexico/

New Orleans people traveled far and wide asking for hand outs.
Key West got hit 4 times that year, katrina and 3 others. At some point the entire island was under 8 feet of water. They fixed it intime for fantasy fest.

joerover - 3-3-2017 at 05:19 PM

Was she born in the US, or did she gain citizen ship through proper chanels?
Her office was in Portland. She shops at the Saturday market same as everbody else. I did not check her passport, I just talked to her. She learned fortune telling in New Orleans, along with all the other fortune tellers surrounding the Saint Louis Cathedral. She had 20 or so people answering the phones, it was a high turnover job. She did go to Haiti and try to pay for education for the poor Hatians. The idea was to hire qualified school teachers from the US or Europe, not to build school buildings. They declined. The President himself declined the offer to pay for teachers to come to Haiti.

Most Haitians lie about where they are from, if you ask. A common answer is Jamaica. I had a friand in Florida who was from Haiti. After a year of being friends I asked her where she was from. She lied. I asked her explain why she needed to lie, (this is my friend,) She said they all lie about where they come from because of discrimination. There are many Hatians in Florida almost non tell the truth about where they are from.

I do not smoke anything at all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q659IaXrS3Y
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
JOeover, have you been smoking Jamaica ganja?

I ask because the first part of your post about 100 Haitians refugees, seems accurate, but the rest of your post about the fortune teller, is way out there!

Are you talking about Miss Cleo, the pay-per-call psychic and tarot reader who used to have those funny psychic commercials?

If so, Miss Cleo, was American, but pretended she was Jamaican, and claimed she studied under a Haitian mambo, but she was not Haitian. In fact it appears she was just a scam artist, and if she actually really got suckers to give here too to a billion dollars for a tarot readings, good for her, sometimes stupid people deserve to be ripped off.




Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
I asked CBP who all those people were, waiting to be let into the line? They said
¨These are your new neighbors.¨

All winter long there were perhaps 100 Haitian refugees waiting to cross the border at the rio tijuana foot crossing, each and every day.
I suppose they were Hatians anyway. what I saw every day was 100 or so able bodied young men for the most part waiting to be let into the line. Obama ordered 10,000 more refugees into the country at least a few times. About 5 weeks ago it stopped. Trump? I estimate some were late, and now live in Mexacali. TJTQ is to cold?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUsv4Lb7EQs

I happen to know the richest Hatian of all. Well I have not talked to her in more than 10 years. She made her fortune as a fortune teller. Remember the 1 900 late night comercial to call for your reading? (spoken in a mysterious accent.) She collected 1 billion USD in 1 900 bills. The courts offered her 500 million to drop the bill collection case. She took it. I told her to go back to Haiti and build some schools. She tried. The president of Haiti did not want schools built. He demanded a 30,000 dollar bribe. He said his son had a level 9 education and it did nothing for him. Yes. the president of Haiti considers a 9th grade education a waste of time. Last I herd, she was having tax problems, she forgot to pay.

Does this aply to that?
http://time.com/4674517/immigration-haiti-mexico/

New Orleans people traveled far and wide asking for hand outs.
Key West got hit 4 times that year, katrina and 3 others. At some point the entire island was under 8 feet of water. They fixed it intime for fantasy fest.

thebeckster - 3-4-2017 at 10:18 AM

Good for you for setting him straight! There are those who think because they say it, then it is so...i.e. Fake News!

chuckie - 3-4-2017 at 10:39 AM

An executive order has been written, and a chartered bus will soon take the Haitians in question to Teaneck New Jersey, where they will be given political asylum...(you heard it here first)

elgatoloco - 3-4-2017 at 12:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
An executive order has been written, and a chartered bus will soon take the Haitians in question to Teaneck New Jersey, where they will be given political asylum...(you heard it here first)


Thats cool. I hear that a family of four can live for a week off what the governor typically has for lunch. :smug: