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El Rosario shooting

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woody with a view - 3-29-2017 at 01:28 PM

Not again!

Conflicting information

bajaguy - 3-29-2017 at 02:19 PM

To be expected....

http://ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=48564

http://www.elvigia.net/911/2017/3/29/asesinan-balazos-comand...

[Edited on 3-29-2017 by bajaguy]

mtgoat666 - 3-29-2017 at 02:33 PM

Second shootout this week in the remote desert. A few days ago they found a bullet-riddled tacoma on punta abreojos road, victims were gone, just found bloody tacoma full of bullet holes.

Now the facts...

David K - 3-29-2017 at 02:35 PM

The shootout was over 7 miles south from El Rosario, in the desert, not in town... NO TOURISTS HURT.

This from BajaCactus:

Shootout at Km 73.5 south of El Rosario. A private vehicle was shot... 3 policemen involved... 2 injured... 1 dead. An American couple arrived after the shootout and transported an injured policeman to El Rosario... No civilian were injured. Desert Hawks deployed paramedics and volunteers to assist... Injured police were treated and sent to a major hospital in Col. Vicente Guerrero. I just realized we need to find a couple of bulletproof vests to have in the ambulances and wear in this cases. Many police forces arrived to El Rosario... Military, marines, federal police, state police, municipal police... Everyone. All our Hawks are safely back to base.

chuckie - 3-29-2017 at 02:43 PM

Getting to be a war zone..And NO DK, its not ok just because no tourists were injured..I'll see if I can scare up some Vests for the guys at Cactus...How would get them there?..I bet its illegal to take em into Mexico...

mtgoat666 - 3-29-2017 at 02:50 PM

Why are ambulance drivers requesting armor? Are bad hombres targeting more than law enforement?

bajaguy - 3-29-2017 at 02:58 PM

Methinks threat level III vests might be good for everyday stuff, but you are gonna need some shock trauma ballistic plates to stop a 7.62x39 or a .223

And yeah, it might be a problem getting them across the border. Wouldn't want to get checked by Aduana
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Getting to be a war zone..And NO DK, its not ok just because no tourists were injured..I'll see if I can scare up some Vests for the guys at Cactus...How would get them there?..I bet its illegal to take em into Mexico...

David K - 3-29-2017 at 03:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Getting to be a war zone..And NO DK, its not ok just because no tourists were injured..I'll see if I can scare up some Vests for the guys at Cactus...How would get them there?..I bet its illegal to take em into Mexico...


WHERE did I say the shooting was OK????
Stop the Fake News please!!!

bajaguy - 3-29-2017 at 03:02 PM

You have a link to the Baja Cactus info??
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The shootout was over 7 miles south from El Rosario, in the desert, not in town... NO TOURISTS HURT.

This from BajaCactus:

Shootout at Km 73.5 south of El Rosario. A private vehicle was shot... 3 policemen involved... 2 injured... 1 dead. An American couple arrived after the shootout and transported an injured policeman to El Rosario... No civilian were injured. Desert Hawks deployed paramedics and volunteers to assist... Injured police were treated and sent to a major hospital in Col. Vicente Guerrero. I just realized we need to find a couple of bulletproof vests to have in the ambulances and wear in this cases. Many police forces arrived to El Rosario... Military, marines, federal police, state police, municipal police... Everyone. All our Hawks are safely back to base.

rts551 - 3-29-2017 at 03:05 PM

While I know there is only one expert here, the first reports had a tourist injured. I suspect as someone else has said...there is more to this story to come out.

http://www.uniradioinforma.com/noticias/ensenada/472378/ejec...


[Edited on 3-29-2017 by rts551]

chuckie - 3-29-2017 at 03:12 PM

RE: Vests..I don't know what we have surplus in the equipment room...BUT BUT something is better than nothing...I'll check tomorrow..Suggestions for getting them down there? Really don't need any comments about hard it is...

bajaguy - 3-29-2017 at 03:22 PM

When I brought a couple down I put them flat in the trunk, covered them with a Harbor Freight moving pad, then put suitcases and an ice chest on top....and got pulled in. Looked in the trunk and ice chest, then sent on my way........second time was another story
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
RE: Vests..I don't know what we have surplus in the equipment room...BUT BUT something is better than nothing...I'll check tomorrow..Suggestions for getting them down there? Really don't need any comments about hard it is...

bajabuddha - 3-29-2017 at 03:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Why are ambulance drivers requesting armor? Are bad hombres targeting more than law enforement?

By Baja Cactus: "I just realized we need to find a couple of bulletproof vests to have in the ambulances and wear in this cases."(highlighting mine).

Goathead, just what the hell are you a professor of? Sure ain't common sense, or spell-check for that matter... the word is 'enforCement', oh scholar.

Having been an EMT I can speak for myself that if I were on a call with a potential shooter threat I'd want a vest, no doubt. Maybe a couple of 'em. Anyone in a uniform is fair game to nut-jobs with a gun, they're equal opportunity shooters.

chuckie - 3-29-2017 at 03:44 PM

RE Vests: I am not looking for a method, but a way to get them down there..Like a volunteer to do it..USE U2U if you are camera shy...

rts551 - 3-29-2017 at 03:59 PM

Just the facts, My A$$. Eye witness who transported the victim is over on talk baja. Has a different story than you David K.

chuckie - 3-29-2017 at 04:06 PM

David K's need to be an Oracle often causes his bullchit level to overflow...

mtgoat666 - 3-29-2017 at 04:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Just the facts, My A$$. Eye witness who transported the victim is over on talk baja. Has a different story than you David K.


I think dk repeated info from the ambulance. And the tb eyewitness acount was from someone that left the scene before ambulance arrived.
Eyewitness accounts are often conflicting.
This may be a case where alternative facts are each indeed factual.


(OMG! Am i defending dk?!?!?!?)

[Edited on 3-29-2017 by mtgoat666]

rts551 - 3-29-2017 at 04:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Just the facts, My A$$. Eye witness who transported the victim is over on talk baja. Has a different story than you David K.


I think dk repeated info from the ambulance. And the tb eyewitness acount was from someone that left the scene before ambulance arrived.
Eyewitness accounts are often conflicting.
This may be a case where alternative facts are each indeed factual.


(OMG! Am i defending dk?!?!?!?)

[Edited on 3-29-2017 by mtgoat666]


Eyewitness...took the injured to the clinic. Ambulance got there after the injured had been transported. DK's bold heading "now for the facts". Guess he jumped the gun.


[Edited on 3-29-2017 by rts551]

mtgoat666 - 3-29-2017 at 04:30 PM

Eyewitness said it involved a heAd-on collision. Does eyewitness know spanish? Maybe it was a car accident and no shooting?
Seems all versions of story are incomplete.
We'll probably never know...
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Just the facts, My A$$. Eye witness who transported the victim is over on talk baja. Has a different story than you David K.


I think dk repeated info from the ambulance. And the tb eyewitness acount was from someone that left the scene before ambulance arrived.
Eyewitness accounts are often conflicting.
This may be a case where alternative facts are each indeed factual.


(OMG! Am i defending dk?!?!?!?)

[Edited on 3-29-2017 by mtgoat666]


Eyewitness...took the injured to the clinic. Ambulance got there after the injured had been transported. DK's bold heading "now for the facts". Guess he jumped the gun.


[Edited on 3-29-2017 by rts551]

woody with a view - 3-29-2017 at 04:47 PM

Got this from a friend:

Solo a el novio de mi hermana es Policia y le dieron un roson con una vala en el brazo pero nada grave.

David K - 3-29-2017 at 04:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
You have a link to the Baja Cactus info??


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The shootout was over 7 miles south from El Rosario, in the desert, not in town... NO TOURISTS HURT.

This from BajaCactus:

Shootout at Km 73.5 south of El Rosario. A private vehicle was shot... 3 policemen involved... 2 injured... 1 dead. An American couple arrived after the shootout and transported an injured policeman to El Rosario... No civilian were injured. Desert Hawks deployed paramedics and volunteers to assist... Injured police were treated and sent to a major hospital in Col. Vicente Guerrero. I just realized we need to find a couple of bulletproof vests to have in the ambulances and wear in this cases. Many police forces arrived to El Rosario... Military, marines, federal police, state police, municipal police... Everyone. All our Hawks are safely back to base.


Antonio emailed me, after I asked him if there was a shooting and if there were tourists involved, since Ralph thinks it necessary to tarnish the town as much as possible, as it was an obvious attempt to irritate some of us. I copied and pasted HIS (Antonio's or 'BajaCactus') exact words. Noticed I put it italics.

rts551 - 3-29-2017 at 05:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
You have a link to the Baja Cactus info??


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
The shootout was over 7 miles south from El Rosario, in the desert, not in town... NO TOURISTS HURT.

This from BajaCactus:

Shootout at Km 73.5 south of El Rosario. A private vehicle was shot... 3 policemen involved... 2 injured... 1 dead. An American couple arrived after the shootout and transported an injured policeman to El Rosario... No civilian were injured. Desert Hawks deployed paramedics and volunteers to assist... Injured police were treated and sent to a major hospital in Col. Vicente Guerrero. I just realized we need to find a couple of bulletproof vests to have in the ambulances and wear in this cases. Many police forces arrived to El Rosario... Military, marines, federal police, state police, municipal police... Everyone. All our Hawks are safely back to base.


Antonio emailed me, after I asked him if there was a shooting and if there were tourists involved, since Ralph thinks it necessary to tarnish the town as much as possible, as it was an obvious attempt to irritate some of us. I copied and pasted HIS (Antonio's or 'BajaCactus') exact words. Noticed I put it italics.



There you go, the chief of deception again. I did nothing to tarnish the town other than to report the news Lay off the orange kool-aide and maybe things won't be so obvious to you. or are you just irritated that I posted something. Next you will take to posting your lies on Twitter.


[Edited on 3-30-2017 by rts551]

rts551 - 3-29-2017 at 05:23 PM

You haven't started to take the orange Kool-aid as well have you?
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Eyewitness said it involved a heAd-on collision. Does eyewitness know spanish? Maybe it was a car accident and no shooting?
Seems all versions of story are incomplete.
We'll probably never know...


Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Just the facts, My A$$. Eye witness who transported the victim is over on talk baja. Has a different story than you David K.


I think dk repeated info from the ambulance. And the tb eyewitness acount was from someone that left the scene before ambulance arrived.
Eyewitness accounts are often conflicting.
This may be a case where alternative facts are each indeed factual.


(OMG! Am i defending dk?!?!?!?)

[Edited on 3-29-2017 by mtgoat666]


Eyewitness...took the injured to the clinic. Ambulance got there after the injured had been transported. DK's bold heading "now for the facts". Guess he jumped the gun.


[Edited on 3-29-2017 by rts551]

willardguy - 3-29-2017 at 05:44 PM

"ralph the tarnisher" :coolup:....DK comin' after you with some bon ami!

rts551 - 3-29-2017 at 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
"ralph the tarnisher" :coolup:....DK comin' after you with some bon ami!


Yes nothing better to do than go after poor little El Rosario. Guess I had better stop donating to the Halcones. :lol:

Update

bajaguy - 3-30-2017 at 07:21 AM

Photo of car and updated information

http://www.elvigia.net/general/2017/3/30/asesinan-mando-poli...

David K - 3-30-2017 at 08:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Photo of car and updated information

http://www.elvigia.net/general/2017/3/30/asesinan-mando-poli...


Thanks Terry...

Here is the Google Translation link of that story: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&...

In summary, law enforcement personnel were attacked on the highway, out in the desert, as they were driving from the El Marmol delegation (not sure if that now is in Cataviña or still in Guayaquil) to San Quintin.

No head-on, no tourists... just (sadly) another example of the war between law enforcement and the drug cartels.

bajaguy - 3-30-2017 at 08:14 AM

I think when the dust clears this event will be found to be a targeted hit to one or more people in the car
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Photo of car and updated information

http://www.elvigia.net/general/2017/3/30/asesinan-mando-poli...


Thanks Terry...

Here is the Google Translation link of that story: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&...

In summary, law enforcement personnel were attacked on the highway, out in the desert, as they were driving from the El Marmol delegation (not sure if that now is in Cataviña or still in Guayaquil) to San Quintin.

No head-on, no tourists... just (sadly) another example of the war between law enforcement and the drug cartels.

BajaCactus - 3-31-2017 at 06:20 PM

Hello friends,

Thanks to all for always being ready to help and support the activities of Desert Hawks. Regarding the shooting that happened a few days ago near town everyone has a little piece of true... this is what happened:

-- March 29th, 2017

Desert Hawks receives a call from the local police station around 10:10 am requesting assistance to help injured police officers involved in a shooting. We immediately activated our volunteers. Information on the shooting and location was sketchy at the moment.

Our protocol is for volunteers to get ready, go to BajaCactus, where we have our ambulances, and wait for instructions/confirmation of the emergency location/status.

I was in El Rosario at the moment and also responded to assist. On my way to BajaCactus, I decided to stop at the Police Station to request more info. Upon arrival I noticed a lady, US citizen, was in distress walking around trying to tell something to some civilians outside, but apparently nobody understood because of the language barrier. I immediately noticed she was in distress. I approach here and presented myself as a Paramedic... she said: "we have an injured police officer in the back of our pickup truck".

Isela was in the car with me, so I told her to get our medical bag and meet me at the lady's vehicle. Police officer was all cover in blood due to a shot impact received in his left arm, a little below the wrist. Also, he had lacerations and contusions in his face and forehead.

After a quick evaluation we realized he had an active hemorrhage but his life was not in immediate danger. He mentioned he and two other police officers were on their way to San Quintin, on a private car, off duty, to enjoy a couple of days of rest. They just finished their shift. At that point he did not know what had happened to the others. There were just shot by another vehicle on the highway south of El Rosario.

Instead of taking the police officer out of the pickup we asked the US couple to please take him to the nearest Health Center, just a few hundred meters away. We were going to follow in our car.

At that point, Desert Hawks volunteers arrived at the base and reported ready to be deployed.

I then quickly went into the Police Station and requested more info on where they needed us. The Police chief was alone inside, on the phone, very busy... he said: "I do not know... I think a police officer is at the IMSS clinic... please standby". I told him about the Police officer outside and that I had sent him to the Health Center... he did not know but said: "please standby"... You could noticed he was very stressed at that point.

So, went out the Police Station, and headed to the Health Center. At the same time called our volunteers on standby and told them to go to the IMSS clinic to see if they had an injured police officer there and help out if needed...

*** An emergency coming in... to be continued ***

Antonio Muñoz
BajaCactus
Desert Hawks Fire and Rescue

David K - 3-31-2017 at 06:50 PM

Thank you for sharing this Antonio.

woody with a view - 3-31-2017 at 07:07 PM

Thanks, Antonio. Big hugs to all affected!

rts551 - 3-31-2017 at 07:15 PM

Thanks Antonio. You guys do excellent work and are true desert angels. Time for another call for donations!

Shooting south of El Rosario... part II

BajaCactus - 4-1-2017 at 04:22 PM

Sorry for the interruption... an emergency call came in while redacting the previous part and I had to coordinate our volunteers to respond... here you have the the rest of the story of the shooting south of El Rosario:

... So, went out the Police Station, and headed to the Health Center. At the same time called our volunteers on standby and told them to go to the IMSS clinic to see if they had an injured police officer there and help out if needed...

I arrived to the Health Center where a couple of US citizens helped brought the injured police officer, only to find out there were no doctors on duty, only a young inexperienced nurse who was very scared when she saw what was happening. I realized we had to move the police man to a major hospital, so I asked Isela to go into the Health Center and start treating the injuries while I went to our base to get an ambulance. Meanwhile, one of our ambulances (Unit M21) was on its way to the IMSS clinic.

I got to our base, jump into an ambulance (Unit M12) and headed back to the Health Center... then I got a call from Unit M21, they just got to the IMSS clinic, the second injured police officer was there, gunshot received on the left shoulder, apparently nothing very serious. He was being attended so he could be moved to San Quintín. I asked our volunteers to help out and wait for further instructions there.

I arrived at the Health Center, were Isela had managed to put an IV on the first injured police officer and was already applying a splint and bandages on the injury. Put the police man inside of our ambulance and headed to the IMSS clinic where there were doctors and the other police officer.

I then received a radio call from the Police chief, who was on his way to the shooting site, asking for an update status and warning us that everything appeared to had been a hit and to be on alert, shooters could still be around trying to "finish the job" and we had one of the witnesses on our ambulance. He had no police officers to escort us at the time.

At that point in time, there were only 5 police officers in duty in El Rosario: 2 were on their way to the shooting site, 1 was at the Police Station and the other 2 were at the IMSS clinic.

So, we rush to the IMSS clinic and while delivering our injured police officer to the doctor, we got a second radio call from the Police Chief, he had reached the shooting site and requested an ambulance asap.

So, Isela and I jumped back into ambulance M12 and instructed our other volunteers in ambulance M21 to remain behind to transport both injured police officers to San Quintin as soon as the doctor released them.

Headed Code 3 to the shooting site and upon arrival we saw one Military truck already on scene with 8 or 10 soldiers deployed around the site scene in a "defense" position. The Police Chief and a police officer were also there.

Police Chief asked us to check on a third Police Officer injured inside a black vehicle. Unfortunately ha had already passed away... shotgun to the head.

Then Police Chief said: "please be on alert, we do not know yet who the shooters were or even how many there are, they could still be on the area, advise your other ambulance to do the same, we are short on personnel at the moment, but we need you to stay put here for now in case needed. More help is on the way".

So, there we were, two ambulances deployed, unit M21 at the IMSS clinic with the only two alive witnesses of the shooting and two police officers guarding the area. Unit M12 at the shooting site among a few soldiers and two police officers.

10 minutes later we receive a radio call from our Ambulance at the IMSS clinic, the two injured police officers were ready to be transported to San Quintin, they were asking for us to help to do so... but without any police escort. The two officers guarding there had to remain behind.

I approached the Police Chief there with me and explained the two injured police officers at the IMSS clinic were ready to be transported to a hospital in San Quintin but that I was not willing to put our volunteers at further risk by sending the ambulance without a Police and/or military escort... he was kind of disappointed but understood. After a few radio calls on his part he informed everything had been resolved: one police officer was going to be transported in a Private Vehicle, the other in a Police car. So I dismissed the ambulance at the IMSS clinic on standby.

A few minutes later another military truck and one from the marines arrived at the shooting site. Soldiers and Marines were immediately deployed around the area.

At that point we were surrounded by around 30 military and a couple of police officers, all with heavy riffles and bulletproof vests... everyone still on a very defensive position. I told Isela: "you see, we have to be the bravest ones in here, we are the only ones without guns or vests... hehehehe"...

Even though a retaliation from the shooters did not seem likely to me at the shooting site at that point, it did not stopped me from thinking we were in a dangerous situation. I was more worried earlier before when we were in town helping the injured police officers without so little police coverage.

During the next 30 minutes more military arrived, along with personnel from the Municipal Police in San Quintin, State Police and Federal Police... everyone armed.

At one point I counted over 80 armed personnel, all with heavy guns and bulletproof vests... I did not felt worry anymore... it would have been really stupid for the shooters to come back at that point... but without guns and vests Isela and I felt "out of fashion"... hehehehe

Well... there you have it... the shooting was a hit on three Police officers from Cataviña who were off duty driving northbound on a Private vehicle at Km mark 73.4. Two were injured, one dead (the Cataviña Police Chief). According to one of the injured police officers, they shot back, but it is unknown if any of the hitman were injured. The highway was closed for a few hours in both directions while the investigations took place. Desert Hawks stayed at the shooting site for a few hours (mainly because our radio system was the only one with clear strong communications out of there), until dismissed by the Police Chief. The pickup truck used to make the hit was found a couple of hours later by the military, off road, two kilometers south of El Rosario, in a canyon near the coastline.

Lately the San Quintin area has been suffering from this kind of violence, more than 30 people shot dead have been reported in the past few months and now the violence has spread to our area.

This got me thinking that this may not be the last time we have to respond to help fellow officers in distress. Desert Hawks is not ready for this type of situations. I need to prepare our volunteers. It only takes one time to get injured or shot. Better ready than sorry.

I appreciate the offer to help us get some kind of bulletproof body armor. I do not believe we need something to heavy or sophisticated. We will not be using it on a daily basis (I hope)... but it would be very good to have a couple so we could use them if needed. Perhaps someone here with more knowledge in this field could advice. Do not worry about crossing the border, we can receive any donations in an address we have in San Diego and I can take care of bringing them down to El Rosario.

On my end, I have already contacted an organization, conformed by military and police officers, that will help our Desert Hawks volunteers in the training of Tactical Medical Emergencies. We just need to coordinate the timing.

Thanks again to all for your outstanding support and help.

Together we can save lives!!!

Antonio Muñoz
Desert Hawks Fire and Rescue
Non-Profit Organization

[Edited on 4-2-2017 by BajaCactus]

chuckie - 4-1-2017 at 04:48 PM

Antonio..check your U2U

LukeJobbins - 4-1-2017 at 04:48 PM

If no one else has a source for good lightweight vests I can talk to some people I am acquaintances with to find a price on the good light ones. I know anything is better than nothing when bullets are flying but if the volunteers aren't training in heavy vests and used to them than the crappy heavy vests (easily available to the public) could end up hurting them if they needed to move quickly in that type of situation.
Let me know and I can find the vests and maybe a fundraiser type thing could be organized to buy them.

shari - 4-1-2017 at 04:53 PM

thanks so much for taking the time to report the shootings Antonio...your staff was indeed at risk!

bajachris - 4-2-2017 at 07:02 AM

I am planning on driving down through the desert south of El Rosario over Easter week. It sounds like Baja is getting unsafe again. Because I have also heard through a resident of La Paz that there have been multiple shootings/killings in both Cabo and La Paz. I don't want to get caught in the middle of some mess down there. Is anyone (military) patrolling the desert? I like it better when my biggest concern is breaking down..... Thinking of cancelling my plans.

bajachris - 4-2-2017 at 08:03 AM

Antonio, I work at a clinic. If there is anything you need, please let me know and I will see if I can get you supplies. Amazing what you do!

Howard - 4-2-2017 at 08:28 AM

Drove Northbound from Loreto and crossed that area on Thursday. No unusual activity by authorities that I noticed. I thought there was going to be some type of military presence between Catavina and El Rosario but nothing different that I could see. Military checkpoints were the same with no stepped up inspections.
As anywhere, just keep your eyes open and be aware of your surroundings.
I still feel safer in most of Baja that most large U.S. cities.

David K - 4-2-2017 at 09:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajachris  
I am planning on driving down through the desert south of El Rosario over Easter week. It sounds like Baja is getting unsafe again. Because I have also heard through a resident of La Paz that there have been multiple shootings/killings in both Cabo and La Paz. I don't want to get caught in the middle of some mess down there. Is anyone (military) patrolling the desert? I like it better when my biggest concern is breaking down..... Thinking of cancelling my plans.


The shooting was on the highway... Camp away from the pavement for safety.

The shooting was a HIT on the police. Don't become a cop in Mexico. Don't get into the drug business in Mexico either. There are far more shootings every DAY in the United States of non-criminal Americans than in a dozen YEARS in Mexico.

Gulliver - 4-2-2017 at 09:08 AM

What I have found to be productive is to contact your local fire and medic organization and arrange for them to set aside supplies from their kits that have timed out for any of several reasons. I'm not talking about controlled substances at all. More like braces and bandages and such. I've even been given relatively sophisticated things like blood pressure measuring apparatus.

Each Fall when I migrate South I try to bring along a box of these sort of things and drop them off at El Rosario.

But as much as anything, donations mean a lot. Even $20 a year from each of us can make a big difference to having emergency service along this very empty section of country.

Maybe do it now.
https://www.facebook.com/HalconesdelDesierto/app/41567570182...

David K - 4-2-2017 at 09:14 AM

In the U.S., hospitals and other health care throw away everything that has an expiration date... including bandages and other first aid. They are probably still perfectly good and could really help rescue centers in Mexico, like the Desert Hawks of El Rosario. If you are associated with a doctor's office, clinic or hospital, maybe ask if you can have the soon to be thrown away supplies for donation to Mexico.

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 09:18 AM

I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 09:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Exactly. If you are the family of the guy murdered in La Paz, or the 73 year old expat lady in todos Santos, or the lady in Rosarito you could care less about crime in the USA.

Although Antonio gave an excellent rundown (at the risk of tarnishing the towns name)...man there are a lot of unanswered questions. A shotgun blast to the head but it did not get anyone else? Maybe. Where was the third cop (unseen) when the tourist picked up the second cop and took him to the clinic? ETC... We may never know. The entire San Quintin Valley and El Rosario are going through a hard period.

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 09:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Here is a comparison of crime statistics for Mexico and USA:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Unit...

David K - 4-2-2017 at 09:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Here is a comparison of crime statistics for Mexico and USA:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Unit...


What does the number 73 mean?

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 09:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Exactly. If you are the family of the guy murdered in La Paz, or the 73 year old expat lady in todos Santos, or the lady in Rosarito you could care less about crime in the USA.

Although Antonio gave an excellent rundown (at the risk of tarnishing the towns name)...man there are a lot of unanswered questions. A shotgun blast to the head but it did not get anyone else? Maybe. Where was the third cop (unseen) when the tourist picked up the second cop and took him to the clinic? ETC... We may never know. The entire San Quintin Valley and El Rosario are going through a hard period.


It is apparent that there is an increased cartel presence in many parts of Baja, leading to the recent reports of violence among cartels and between cartels and police.
The question I am pondering, how much of the cartel activity is to control drug distribution to locals in Mexico, and how much of the cartel activity is associated with drug transport to USA market...

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 09:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Here is a comparison of crime statistics for Mexico and USA:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Unit...


If I am in Mexico, I really do not care about the statistics in the USA. I am most concerned about what is over my shoulder.

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 09:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Here is a comparison of crime statistics for Mexico and USA:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Unit...


What does the number 73 mean?


73 means 73

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 09:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Exactly. If you are the family of the guy murdered in La Paz, or the 73 year old expat lady in todos Santos, or the lady in Rosarito you could care less about crime in the USA.

Although Antonio gave an excellent rundown (at the risk of tarnishing the towns name)...man there are a lot of unanswered questions. A shotgun blast to the head but it did not get anyone else? Maybe. Where was the third cop (unseen) when the tourist picked up the second cop and took him to the clinic? ETC... We may never know. The entire San Quintin Valley and El Rosario are going through a hard period.


It is apparent that there is an increased cartel presence in many parts of Baja, leading to the recent reports of violence among cartels and between cartels and police.
The question I am pondering, how much of the cartel activity is to control drug distribution to locals in Mexico, and how much of the cartel activity is associated with drug transport to USA market...


If you are worried about cartel violence it does not matter.

If you are worried about Tweeker crime then look at how many drug busts there are in Baja, not who is selling it.

Drug use among locals in Mexico is skyrocketing. Side by sie in the news are the drug busts right along with the shootings.

Gulliver - 4-2-2017 at 10:00 AM

That's an interesting link.

I find that perceptions often rule feelings. As an example, my step daughter had her ratty old Civic stolen in Seattle. It showed up a day later imbedded in the side of a house with bullet holes and blood all over the place. It didn't even make the papers.

Back in the early nineties I was hanging out in La Paz a lot and there was a total buzz about a crime wave. It seems that an indian woman from the mainland with three kids had a slick shoplifting operation going where one or two of them would create a disturbance while the others filled their pockets. You would have thought that the sky was falling.

There is more of this petty crime in my old home town, Olympia, WA, every day than happens in La Paz.

I'm not discounting the seriousness of the murder rate in Mexico but I have seen no evidence that tells me that it is anything but cartel v.s. cartel shootings being done by young males.

If you want to have any serious effect on this problem, stop smoking dope. Yeah it should be legalized. The laws on this junk are beyond stupid. But it doesn't have to be you who contributes to the mess. If you REALLY need your joint then you should think about a twelve step program.

[Edited on 4-2-2017 by Gulliver]

woody with a view - 4-2-2017 at 10:04 AM

Gulliver, joints are SOOO 1990's. nowadays the kids RIP A BONG HIT and the effect is the same. the buds these days are incredible.

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 10:11 AM

I wonder if DK is planning on coming to Kansas on Vacation? Else why would he be worried about Tornadoes? Such convoluted logic!

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 10:14 AM

Gulliver. This ain't Kansas. Things have changed a lot in BCS during the last 20 years. Its not just cartel against cartel, although that is bad enough. Take glance through the BCS news.

And I really don't care about tornadoes. We have very few in BCS which is where I live most of the year.

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/policiaca/

Gulliver - 4-2-2017 at 10:22 AM

I'll check in later tonight when the children have been tucked in for the night (grin).

gsbotanico - 4-2-2017 at 10:41 AM

There are hints in the Mexican coverage (en español) of this story that the killed officer was corrupt. But the newspapers and reporters have to be careful or they might be targeted. We will probably never know. To me it looks like a narco-assassination.

My experience is that innocent people are rarely targeted, but can be "collateral damage," for example, in a restaurant or on a crowded street. Some good advice above about staying clear of anything having to do with the illegal drug business. That's the advice I give to friends who have some concern about going to Baja.

At second 15...

David K - 4-2-2017 at 10:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9byEDwilVc

Here at the very start... future Nomads? LOL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtdrKIdDgE

blackwolfmt - 4-2-2017 at 10:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9byEDwilVc

Here at the very start... future Nomads? LOL:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMtdrKIdDgE



Boy I miss them days:cool:

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 11:11 AM

I got no idea where you read the number. But you seem to be OCD about it, so why don't you present the number in context so we can help you with your puzzle?
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Here is a comparison of crime statistics for Mexico and USA:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Unit...


What does the number 73 mean?


73 means 73



So you don't know or just can't explain it?

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 11:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch  
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Gulliver, joints are SOOO 1990's. nowadays the kids RIP A BONG HIT and the effect is the same. the buds these days are incredible.


Jajaja, who buys Mexican weed north of the border anymore.... cartels have evolved far beyond that, now.

Besides, I thought all the cool kids vaped, now.


Here in California it's legal to grow up to 6 plants at home now, so no longer a reason to buy if that's your thing.

bajachris - 4-2-2017 at 11:38 AM

Sobering statistics. US has more guns, Mexico has a higher murder rate. Someone in Mexico must be getting guns.....

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 11:59 AM

The link is to 5 pages of crime statistics for the two countries... I re-read page 1 and did not see any significant "73."
Perhaps you have a virus and your 'puter took you to a page about viagra for 73 year olds?
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I got no idea where you read the number. But you seem to be OCD about it, so why don't you present the number in context so we can help you with your puzzle?

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Here is a comparison of crime statistics for Mexico and USA:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Unit...


What does the number 73 mean?


73 means 73



So you don't know or just can't explain it?


Dude, you gave a link... the 73 is the "answer" in your link about Mexico vs. the U.S. ... I asked you what 73 meant. Why did you post a link if you have never opened it to see what it says?

blackwolfmt - 4-2-2017 at 12:00 PM



il_fullxfull.388550904_e5pk.jpg - 154kB

woody with a view - 4-2-2017 at 12:07 PM

73 is the age of the schmuck who was killded in La Pa'.



[Edited on 4-2-2017 by woody with a view]

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 12:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch  
Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view  
Gulliver, joints are SOOO 1990's. nowadays the kids RIP A BONG HIT and the effect is the same. the buds these days are incredible.


Jajaja, who buys Mexican weed north of the border anymore.... cartels have evolved far beyond that, now.

Besides, I thought all the cool kids vaped, now.


someone is smuggling pot somewhere...or at least was until they did not pay the right guy off.

http://www.bcsnoticias.mx/camion-dhl-detenido-pichilingue-tr...

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 12:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
The link is to 5 pages of crime statistics for the two countries... I re-read page 1 and did not see any significant "73."
Perhaps you have a virus and your 'puter took you to a page about viagra for 73 year olds?

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I got no idea where you read the number. But you seem to be OCD about it, so why don't you present the number in context so we can help you with your puzzle?

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I find it amusing that people like DK keep saying that x-y-z place is more dangerous than Baja..So What? Those Rose colored glasses again....


Here is a comparison of crime statistics for Mexico and USA:
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Mexico/Unit...


What does the number 73 mean?


73 means 73



So you don't know or just can't explain it?


Dude, you gave a link... the 73 is the "answer" in your link about Mexico vs. the U.S. ... I asked you what 73 meant. Why did you post a link if you have never opened it to see what it says?


Wow, the page that opens at your link... and after clicking submit, the 73 is still there...



Wow... no 73 when I open it up. Appologize to the DUDE.

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 12:46 PM

Following DK's illogic, we should all feel comfortable taking family and friends into Compton late night for a few drinks, because the crime rate is higher in Bosnia....

David K - 4-2-2017 at 12:56 PM

Hmmm... So only I am the only one seeing the '73', next to the word 'Crime'?
Interesting!


Goat link.jpg - 91kB

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 01:09 PM

Geez, he's dumb...

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 01:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gsbotanico  
There are hints in the Mexican coverage (en español) of this story that the killed officer was corrupt. But the newspapers and reporters have to be careful or they might be targeted. We will probably never know. To me it looks like a narco-assassination.

My experience is that innocent people are rarely targeted, but can be "collateral damage," for example, in a restaurant or on a crowded street. Some good advice above about staying clear of anything having to do with the illegal drug business. That's the advice I give to friends who have some concern about going to Baja.


everyone is being careful.. he was honored at his funeral. http://zetatijuana.com/2017/03/31/despiden-con-honores-a-com...

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 01:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Geez, he's dumb...


Where is 73 is going to replace where is Waldo. Time for the disappearing posts.

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 01:19 PM

Keep the duck....

bajabuddha - 4-2-2017 at 01:21 PM

... and another thread hijacked by Special K to be all about him instead of the issue. Just can't back down, just like his idol. :(

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 01:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
All because Goat has no clue what HIS link was telling us... or was unable to simply explain what the 73 meant. No need to spin the facts. This isn't CNN.


You still do not get it.. You are the only one so far that sees the 73.

No spin there...this isn't twitter.

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 02:08 PM

Some times people can't see the forest for the trees...

24baja - 4-2-2017 at 02:18 PM

You guys need to stop......don't make me pull out the momma voice and slap you with it. :)

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 02:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 24baja  
You guys need to stop......don't make me pull out the momma voice and slap you with it. :)



Please quit trying to hijack my post.

24baja - 4-2-2017 at 02:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by 24baja  
You guys need to stop......don't make me pull out the momma voice and slap you with it. :)



Please quit trying to hijack my post.


I was not hacking I want them to stopď

bajabuddha - 4-2-2017 at 02:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
All because Goat has no clue what HIS link was telling us... or was unable to simply explain what the 73 meant. No need to spin the facts. This isn't CNN.


You still do not get it.. You are the only one so far that sees the 73.

No spin there...this isn't twitter.

It's The SPECIAL K SHOW, STARRING..... SPECIAL K ! :bounce:
Featuring: SPECIAL K and his trained Gila Monster! :O :wow:

...... gotta admit....inanity does keep my mind off the shooting. :smug:

rts551 - 4-2-2017 at 03:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
All because Goat has no clue what HIS link was telling us... or was unable to simply explain what the 73 meant. No need to spin the facts. This isn't CNN.


You still do not get it.. You are the only one so far that sees the 73.

No spin there...this isn't twitter.

It's The SPECIAL K SHOW, STARRING..... SPECIAL K ! :bounce:
Featuring: SPECIAL K and his trained Gila Monster! :O :wow:

...... gotta admit....inanity does keep my mind off the shooting. :smug:


Ya think he made up this "73" just to distract us from the shooting? Much like Trump does with Twitter feeds.

I mean he has been able to hijack the thread and make this about him again.


[Edited on 4-2-2017 by rts551]

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 03:07 PM

It is possible that he is a bit deranged....(from the koolaid)

mtgoat666 - 4-2-2017 at 03:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
It is possible that he is a bit deranged....(from the koolaid)


DK sent me a u2u, he says you must be brainwashed by MSNBC, because the correct spelling is "Kool-Aid"

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 03:20 PM

Excuse me! I thought that spelling was only used on tweeter

bajabuddha - 4-2-2017 at 03:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Excuse me! I thought that spelling was only used on tweeter

...often, and.... BIGLY. :lol:

woody with a view - 4-2-2017 at 04:25 PM

You'se guys and gals suck!

'Member dat!

chuckie - 4-2-2017 at 04:37 PM

WOW! Kool...A compliment from Woody!!! Thanks man...

rts551 - 4-4-2017 at 07:23 PM

Anyone aware of the culprits caught. No. not the 73 culprit.

mtgoat666 - 4-4-2017 at 07:48 PM

73 suspects, still working out which ones are the culprits.

Did DK ever tell you about his 1973 trip to san Felipe in his dad's '73 buick station wagon?

Sweetwater - 4-4-2017 at 07:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
All because Goat has no clue what HIS link was telling us... or was unable to simply explain what the 73 meant. No need to spin the facts. This isn't CNN.


You still do not get it.. You are the only one so far that sees the 73.

No spin there...this isn't twitter.

It's The SPECIAL K SHOW, STARRING..... SPECIAL K ! :bounce:
Featuring: SPECIAL K and his trained Gila Monster! :O :wow:

...... gotta admit....inanity does keep my mind off the shooting. :smug:


Ya think he made up this "73" just to distract us from the shooting? Much like Trump does with Twitter feeds.

I mean he has been able to hijack the thread and make this about him again.


[Edited on 4-2-2017 by rts551]


david's on pace to easily hit that coveted 50K mark by easter, think the subject matter makes a difference.....has it ever?;)


Maybe it's time for a AAA map?
OTOH, maybe Easter needs a break.:wow:

Pescador - 4-5-2017 at 08:31 AM

You know it was not that long ago in recent history when people did not resort to childish chiding when they disagreed with someone. They may have been very strong in their disagreement but still used civil discourse during those disagreements. Sadly, that is not the case here.

norte - 4-5-2017 at 08:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You know it was not that long ago in recent history when people did not resort to childish chiding when they disagreed with someone. They may have been very strong in their disagreement but still used civil discourse during those disagreements. Sadly, that is not the case here.


When they reach puberty, they will calm down and get a life beyond needing me for their entertainment. :lol::light:


Who is the they. Maybe he was talking about you? People in glass houses....:light::light:

Paco Facullo - 4-5-2017 at 08:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You know it was not that long ago in recent history when people did not resort to childish chiding when they disagreed with someone. They may have been very strong in their disagreement but still used civil discourse during those disagreements. Sadly, that is not the case here.


Ya,,,, that was before the Internet. .....

I SO miss those days.....

David K - 4-5-2017 at 09:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You know it was not that long ago in recent history when people did not resort to childish chiding when they disagreed with someone. They may have been very strong in their disagreement but still used civil discourse during those disagreements. Sadly, that is not the case here.


When they reach puberty, they will calm down and get a life beyond needing me for their entertainment. :lol::light:


Who is the they. Maybe he was talking about you? People in glass houses....:light::light:


You have to read the thread to know who Pescador was describing. I do not follow these few around here on Nomad and make cute or insulting personal jabs about what they do on Nomad, or how many posts they have.

rts551 - 4-5-2017 at 09:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Pescador  
You know it was not that long ago in recent history when people did not resort to childish chiding when they disagreed with someone. They may have been very strong in their disagreement but still used civil discourse during those disagreements. Sadly, that is not the case here.


Don't know who you are talking about...but I started this post based on a news article...and someone else hijacked it because they do not like it when I post. Now that is childish.

[Edited on 4-5-2017 by rts551]

Gulliver - 4-5-2017 at 09:22 AM

As sea levels rise many a mother's basement will flood thus many trolls will be homeless.

Meanwhile, back at the Oasis (literally!), my thoughts return to the shooting. I spend bit of time each morning touching bases with ham radio friends here and there in Baja. All gossip and innuendo, of course but interesting. One theme is that the victim had experienced a noticeably enhanced life style recently. "Living high on the hog" was the phrase bandied about.

Perhaps not true or probably unconnected but, as I said, interesting.

rts551 - 4-5-2017 at 09:32 AM

First post gone in an attempt to delete the entire thing because a troll (DK)
ruined it. I am still the author of the post as you can clearly see.I clearly posted the original article so people like you, who make up stuff, would not call it a rumor. If you are implying my intention was to ruin an entire town's income, you are sicker than I thought. I, #1 would be hard pressed to ruin any towns income, and #2 I have nothing against any town that would cause me to even try.

Why you would try and discredit any post is beyond me.. you need help.
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Where is that post...? Woody is the first post in this thread.

Did you remove it when it was pointed out to be a rumor (and not fact) about tourists being shot?

Are not facts a good thing to have on Nomad?

If I post something saying anything bad about Punta Abreojos that wasn't true... you would be the first to discredit the post. If it was untrue, I also would remove it (like you did). But then again, you would be hard pressed to find a post by me that would have the intention of harming the income of an entire Baja town.

David K - 4-5-2017 at 10:48 AM

No Ralph, or should I call you Loki? Bad Loki!
I ruined nothing. Your post said a tourist was shot in El Rosario. You did not edit it when Antonio (who was alerted by me of your post) provided the truth (no tourist and not in El Rosario). Shame shame shame. Now, you twist this to make it about me... and get the handful who enjoy drama on Nomad to pile on.


bent-rim - 4-18-2017 at 03:01 PM

Hijack #73

A few things about the #73.
21st prime #.
73 reversed is 37 the 12th prime #.
The #21 has prime factors of 3 & 7.
21 in binary is 10101.
73 in binary is 1001001.
7 in binary is 111
3 in binary is 11.
All palindromes.

73 is Sheldon's(Big Bang Theory) favorite number for the above reasons.

JZ - 4-18-2017 at 03:58 PM

I'm no DK fan boy, but several on here are coming off like fools.

I don't even think they go to Baja. Just old men running their mouths to try to earn some e-cred.

David K - 4-18-2017 at 04:15 PM

No fans needed (I have A/C, lol)... but how about we respect each other enough to not call people bad names, and unless you have better information or something to add that may be interesting to someone watching, just stop harassing other Nomads?
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