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Spiking Violence in Tijuana

GypsyJan - 4-14-2017 at 05:34 PM

http://www.insightcrime.org/news-analysis/what-is-behind-spi...

chuckie - 4-14-2017 at 06:03 PM

Scary projection but in line with the rest of BAJA

sancho - 4-14-2017 at 08:35 PM

The worse type of person you can come across is a desperate
one. Those criminals tossed across the border from the US are
just that, felons with $5 in their pocket. That line that the price
in TJ, of getting someone killed last yr. was $100. At least the violent
crimes are within the drug trade, at least us Joe Gringo
Tourists don't deal with that, just hoping not to run into a
criminal deportee



rts551 - 4-14-2017 at 08:53 PM

well known journalist gunned down in the City Club parking lot of La Paz.

governor is calling for even more help now..but this is a major hit.

Bubba - 4-15-2017 at 05:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Scary projection but in line with the rest of BAJA


You are correct Chuckles.

TMW - 4-15-2017 at 08:09 AM

Why is the term Criminal Actor used. Either they are criminals or they are actors playing a criminal.

aguachico - 4-16-2017 at 08:52 AM

TJ is heating up. Just be frosty and smart. Nomads do not have to worry. The element will not invade margaritaville.

chuckie - 4-16-2017 at 09:10 AM

Sure....

del mar - 4-16-2017 at 09:50 AM

over 900 "reported" murders in 2016...what will 2017 hold?:(

woody with a view - 4-16-2017 at 02:49 PM

Moral of the story?

Stop looking for meth in TJ.

sargentodiaz - 4-16-2017 at 04:49 PM

Lots of African faces of refugees trying to get into the USA.

But, I'm constantly reading that many deportees are being welcomed back as there is a need for their skills and work ethics.

bajabuddha - 4-16-2017 at 04:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sargentodiaz  
Lots of African faces of refugees trying to get into the USA.

But, I'm constantly reading that many deportees are being welcomed back as there is a need for their skills and work ethics.

Just wait a year and see what your costs of produce, poultry and pork are. MAGA. Albeit a tad more expensive. Erm, a LOT more expensive, including your healthcare.

chuckie - 4-16-2017 at 05:08 PM

Nah, wont be a problem, Buddha...All the folks on Gummint handouts are going to jump right on the jobs currently being done by the soon to be deported. They have just been waiting for the opportunity! As to healthcare, say I laughingly "What healthcare? I am covered by the VA....

bajabuddha - 4-16-2017 at 05:18 PM

Riiiiiggght, Chuck. You're preachin' to the choir here. We're both 'covered' by VA. Question is, covered in what? I wouldn't let 'em do an autopsy on me.

The LAST Thing to EVER Worry Over ...........

MrBillM - 4-16-2017 at 07:53 PM

.......Is WHO might do your Autopsy.

It's ALWAYS painless.

As to violent crime, it ALL works out.

Some will heed the warnings, some won't.

Some will avoid danger, some won't.

Some will suffer and/or DIE, some won't.

People will adjust.

And...............

"Everythang's Gonna be Awright"

BTW, the "farm labor" cost of produce is typically one-third of farm revenue and said revenue is roughly one-third of the market price SO we're looking at one-third of one-third. An unlikely DOUBLING of picking labor expense would result in a negligible increase to the consumer.

[Edited on 4-17-2017 by MrBillM]

chuckie - 4-16-2017 at 07:57 PM

You don't get it do ya? BTW: We aint talking about "picking expense"...

May I Please Post a Response

GypsyJan - 4-16-2017 at 08:13 PM

From the eminent poet laureate and Nobel prize winner,
Bob Dylan - the song "Desolation Row"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGbMmL8PuXA

chuckie - 4-16-2017 at 09:12 PM

Few crops are picked by hand..Certainly not the ones that feed you staples. Corn Wheat Beans Sunflowers Even vegtables (sp) are harvested by machinery. But almost all processing is done by Hispanic workers Poultry meats dairies canneries..I cannot project effect on price but I KNOW that few other workers will do these jobs, even tho they pay well. My local dairy (2700 cows) employs about 80 workers, ALL Hispanic. They get nice housing, 401k's, medical insurance paid vacations...They are hard workers...There is little turnover. When there is an opening it is advertised in the local papers. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of non Hispanics that apply. Its easier to stay on the dole and complain about no jobs. You figure it out, ask your "other sources"..

JoeJustJoe - 4-17-2017 at 11:07 AM

Talk about taking a thread off track. This thread is about the spiking violence in Tijuana, but it morphed into a topic about Mexican farm, or poultry workers, as if that's the only kind of work Mexicans can do.

But I'm at a lost why anybody believes US will be left without Mexican agriculture, poultry, or similar type of workers who do backbreaking work?

Just because Trump, and Sessions, will garner a few headlines, by deporting a few hundred undocumented Mexican aliens, including a handful of non-criminal undocumented Mexican mothers, who sit in their car in front of schools to pick up their children, and then leaving their American children crying on the street.

Does anybody actual believe California agriculture companies or a major poultry company like Tyson, would allow this to happen?

Now regarding the spiking violence in Tijuana.

It sure was nicer in Tijuana, when just the "Arellano Félix Organization" was running things in Tijuana.

It's not good all these other cartels to move in like the Sinaloa Cartel, who moved in a few years ago, when the Tijuana cartel, was weakened, and how we the, Nueva Generación (CJNG) cartel, making inroads, and is recruiting former members of "Arellano Félix Organization."

But up to 90% of the homicides involve lower level street junkies selling drugs on turf/streets they are not authorized to sell drugs on. So if you're not a drug dealer, Tijuana cop, or involved in the drug trade in any way, you should be safe in TJ.

A few years ago, there were rumors that both Mexico and the US, were favoring certain drug cartels over others, like the "Sinaloa Cartel." It might be something to consider again, as there was some evidenced of favoring certain cartels.

Of course the best thing Mexico or the US could do is decriminalized drug possession totality, and quit putting people in prison over drug charges. They could then use the money saved for free drug treatment programs.




hondo - 4-17-2017 at 12:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
So when Obama sent 2.5 million packing there was a big upset in the food supply? And in that 2.5 million there wasn't any that didn't 'deserve' to go? Or have family, kids, wives, husbands here?

Is there links to the Nomad postings during those years that decried the plight of any of those 2.5 million? And posted predictions of the pending doom on our wellbeing then?

Yet a thread started about crime in TJ gives rise to condemnation of a President who hasn't even come close yet to Obama's deeds on deportation.
Those were instant turnarounds for those mexicans trying to sneak in at the border. PHONY STATS.

JoeJustJoe - 4-17-2017 at 03:01 PM

It's true that Obama, was called the "Deporter-In-Chief, by the National Council of La Raza, who demanded that Obama, take unilateral action to stop the deportations.

And Obama, after blaming the GOP Congress of tying his hands on deportations. Obama, did manage to find a way to get on board with the requests of La Raza, and other Latino advocacy human rights groups.

Obama, in 2014 used executive action, and had ICE focus on criminals, not families, and it been that way the last few years of the Obama administration.

It's also true, Trump, hasn't come anywhere close to Obama's deportation numbers, but Trump, is only in year one, or third month in office, and so far he has shown he is inept and can't get anything done. Thank God!

Trump, after a campaign promise of mass deportations of 11 million or so illegal Mexican immigrants, is supposedly also only focused of deporting Mexican undocumented criminal aliens, but if other non-criminals Mexican immigrants get picked up in ICE nets, oh well, they get deported too. Who knows what the Trump administration will do with "dreamers?"

But I don't expect Trump, to come anywhere near his campaign promises of mass deportations of millions of undocumented Mexican workers. I think it's mostly red meat, for his constitutes.

I also doubt we will have labor shortages so bad that they will have to bring in white Americans to do the back breaking labor. You know that will never happen.




DENNIS - 4-17-2017 at 03:18 PM


Oohhh...them nasty Whities will do anything, Joe, for a living wage. Raise the commodity prices to consumers. They'll pay more for goods and services....less for welfare.
Call everything "free" just to make you and your blood-sucking ilk feel special.

chuckie - 4-17-2017 at 03:26 PM

You are so funny...Your last sentence? Would we impress these "white americans" in chains,or what? Maybe a labor draft? We have Brown and Black Americans as well...Would they get an exemption?

DENNIS - 4-17-2017 at 03:38 PM


Hey, Chuckie...the new investment opportunity....Coppertone. [love the smell of that stuff]

bajabuddha - 4-17-2017 at 04:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  

Hey, Chuckie...the new investment opportunity....Coppertone. [love the smell of that stuff]

Wondered what you drank to get so bitter.

chuckie - 4-17-2017 at 04:28 PM

I can see it now, chicken plucker press gangs...

chuckie - 4-17-2017 at 05:07 PM

Very pompous!

chuckie - 4-17-2017 at 05:09 PM

And Obama was who?

chuckie - 4-17-2017 at 05:21 PM

Not really....Same old "pull my string and I spout the dogma" stuff

chuckie - 4-17-2017 at 06:47 PM

Thank you Chatty Cathy!

aguachico - 4-17-2017 at 06:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  

Just because Trump, and Sessions, will garner a few headlines, by deporting a few hundred undocumented Mexican aliens,...

Does anybody actual believe California agriculture companies or a major poultry company like Tyson, would allow this to happen?

Now regarding the spiking violence in Tijuana.



For the first time since reading JJJ, He is, IMO, correct.

The USA is build on and still is revolving on slave labor. White mexicans and the uninformed are endorsing it an their liberal illogical mantra. Conservatives... it's about the the $$$

The drug violence will never reach 95% of this boards active members nor their paying clients. Maybe a little collateral damage and a few kidnappings here and there, but they sicarios know that tequila swilling gringos are not worth the trouble. It's better to just steal their expensive stuff then to do them harm, they will just buy more expensive stuff. Why kill the golden gringo?




bajabuddha - 4-17-2017 at 07:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
Oh chuckie your such a crack up!


Trying to be so intellectual..... and a simple conjunction of 'you' and 'are' as in, 'you're' escapes you. So much for your (you're?) credibility, oh pundit of poo poo.

[Edited on 4-18-2017 by bajabuddha]

sargentodiaz - 4-18-2017 at 06:05 AM

The reasons behind Tijuana’s new violence

Just found this on my morning news search.



The beginning of 2017 has brought a striking increase in violence to Tijuana, Mexico, and the surrounding region, as competition between different criminal groups has put the key border city on a path for its bloodiest year since 2010.

State authorities from Baja California, in which Tijuana is located, have reported that 208 people were murdered in the border city during the first two months this year, a potentially historic homicide rate that represents a vast increase over the murder rate seen in recent years.

While the government statistics agency has not yet published its final tally of homicides last year, reliable reports replace the figure around 700. Should the current pace be maintained throughout the year, Tijuana would end up with nearly 1,300 murders, an increase of almost 85% in a single year.
- See more at: http://mexiconewsdaily.com/opinion/the-reasons-behind-tijuan...



JoeJustJoe - 4-18-2017 at 09:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  

Oohhh...them nasty Whities will do anything, Joe, for a living wage. Raise the commodity prices to consumers. They'll pay more for goods and services....less for welfare.
Call everything "free" just to make you and your blood-sucking ilk feel special.


Dennis, I'm not sure what you mean when you say call everything "Free" and the rest of your post is surely wrong.

Dennis, I don't think you have Children, but it's easy to imagine you having an adult male kid much like yourself, because the apple usually doesn't fall far from the tree.

I couldn't imagine your adult white American son, feeling as privileged and lazy as you do.

There would just be no way your son, or most American young adults would do hard labor as a farm worker in the central valley, even if they received a good living wage.

Who are you kidding Dennis?

We in the US also don't want to see the prices of food and commodities go up. We know that from seeing the cutthroat industry of the supermarkets when the competition is intense and their profit margins are very thin, but they try to make it up on volume.

JoeJustJoe - 4-18-2017 at 09:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
Reasonableness would entail a program of legal immigrants (already lined up and in the works for entry but paying somewhat of a price for the need for them being mitigated by those who cut in line or might we say came over the fence?)

And reasonableness would demand a program of employers taking the initiative to 'sponsor' those they have employed that are undocumented.

There would not be a need to have a replacement force from a field of supposed non-interested although a Clintonesque type of welfare to work program may increase competition for some jobs.

It also should be noted that the Trump dialogue may have curtailed some flow of illegal entry as reported today. Could it be that an innuendo is just as powerful as a force?

What was the saying? "Speak softly but carry a big stick"? Some listen to words...but everyone's eyes are on that big stick.

MOAB, Cruise missiles in the night, conceptual drawings for a wall and bids being taken...


Paranewbi, your dream world about "reasonableness" is a pipe dream.

If you're an immigrant with a family to feed, it's not "reasonable" to them to stand in the line, and play immigration lottery, where the game is rigged and doesn't currently favor certain immigrants from certain countries.

But what's reasonable for those immigrants is to come over any way they can, because there are good paid jobs in America for those immigrants to papers or without papers.

The employers want cheap hard working employees period. The employers aren't there to "sponsor' foreign workers and perhaps give them a pathway to citizenship, the employers only want to exploit the foreign workers.

Trump's racist rants, immigrants policies and draconian immigration dreams of mass deportations for sure is causing many Mexican immigrants to stay home, instead of coming to America. However, for the last few years, immigration, and undocumented immigration to the US has been flat or even declining. So this need to built a big wall is pure nonsense.

The conceptual drawings of the wall, seems to be another pipe dream, at least for this year, because the GOP leadership, has already said, they are going to drop funding for the "wall" from their budget. And we already know that Mexico will not pay for the wall.

DENNIS - 4-18-2017 at 10:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


Who are you kidding Dennis?

We in the US also don't want to see the prices of food and commodities go up.


Pay more for commodities so employers can pay higher wages, or you pay higher taxes. Take your pick, Joey. Someone has to foot the bill for the welfare of your illegal dependents. Why not let them do it themselves!

[Edited on 4-18-2017 by DENNIS]