BajaNomad - Shush! Dont tell anyone! Body count up 2 more

Shush! Dont tell anyone! Body count up 2 more

chuckie - 4-21-2017 at 07:25 AM

Shootout between cops and bad guys? In front of Jardines yesterday....

[Edited on 4-23-2017 by chuckie]

mtgoat666 - 4-21-2017 at 07:40 AM

Gringos have an insatiable appetite for drugs, leading to drug violence all over Mexico. Sad!

chippy - 4-21-2017 at 07:50 AM

I don´t know about baja but down here there is no lack of domestic drug use :light:

. That blaming gringos chite don´t fly nomo.

Udo - 4-21-2017 at 07:53 AM

Where is ..."down here"

Quote: Originally posted by chippy

I don´t know about baja but down here there is no lack of domestic drug use :light:

. That blaming gringos chite don´t fly nomo.

chippy - 4-21-2017 at 08:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Udo

Where is ..."down here"

Quote: Originally posted by chippy

I don´t know about baja but down here there is no lack of domestic drug use :light:

. That blaming gringos chite don´t fly nomo.

19.2n 104.6w

willardguy - 4-21-2017 at 08:22 AM

a Geritol deal gone bad?

BajaBlanca - 4-21-2017 at 08:50 AM

It is so sad to see Baja going bad due to drugs. It is happening right before our eyes. Just the pits.

Martyman - 4-21-2017 at 08:59 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

a Geritol deal gone bad?

LOL

carlosg - 4-21-2017 at 09:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy

I don´t know about baja but down here there is no lack of domestic drug use :light:

. That blaming gringos chite don´t fly nomo.

It flies in Baja, Jalisco, Colima or anywhere else affected by an insaciable consuming market that needs to be constantly suplied, the ones on the trail are just casualties of "doing business" in a globalized world taking over culture after culture. Unfortunately these are not the "good old days" anymore... sad but true.

Drugs

yumawill - 4-21-2017 at 11:50 AM

Good roads bring bad people. Time to rip out the asphalt. And maybe sink all the Panga's. Just a thought from the sand box of Yuma. We have "Road kill" vegetables. Just imagine that....................

Hook - 4-21-2017 at 12:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Gringos have an insatiable appetite for drugs, leading to drug violence all over Mexico. Sad!

What a racist, ethno-phobic generalization.

chuckie - 4-21-2017 at 12:30 PM

You must be talking about Goatley...

mtnpop - 4-21-2017 at 03:40 PM

friends were staying at Jardins's last night. Police come in and searched rooms etc.. looking for the bad guy... heard it was a robbery gone bad and they were on the hunt...
friends were headed north but didn't seem too worried... ha
another left Mulege today so see what he says going through...

bajabuddha - 4-21-2017 at 03:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Gringos have an insatiable appetite for drugs, leading to drug violence all over Mexico. Sad!

Every once in a while the old goat comes out with a rational statement.

However, this is NOT one of those times.

chuckie - 4-21-2017 at 04:00 PM

Sure a different world, aint it Ross? Sad....Stay well my friend...

Russ - 4-21-2017 at 04:05 PM

yes, Geritol hippies are responsible for crimes in Mexico

bajabuddha - 4-21-2017 at 04:44 PM

Good thing it wasn't a Viagra deal gone bad.... everybody would be shooting over everyone else's heads.... :bounce:

Bubba - 4-21-2017 at 04:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Gringos have an insatiable appetite for drugs, leading to drug violence all over Mexico. Sad!

Every once in a while the old goat comes out with a rational statement.

However, this is NOT one of those times.

You Sir, are correct.

motoged - 4-21-2017 at 05:12 PM

I don't know where this "Good road/Bad road" saying comes from, but I don't buy it.

Some bad guys like to be "out there" as much as others do.

It's a cute phrase, but likely has no basis in evidence.... :?:

chuckie - 4-21-2017 at 05:31 PM

.It did, in its time, when Momma Espinosa first said it...Not so much now....Too many bad people already there..

motoged - 4-21-2017 at 10:48 PM

So the evidence is truly an old wives tale :biggrin:

chuckie - 4-21-2017 at 11:46 PM

Momma was anything but an old wife..Show some respect hoser..

mtnpop - 4-22-2017 at 08:09 AM

For the first time in "FOREVER" I am thinking I want to caravan with someone early next month from Mulege thru San Felipe and San Luis to Yuma....
Towing a really nice jeep that gets a lot of attention. Would like to have it to use in Colorado this summer...
Maybe just being a little too much paranoid but just think traveling in numbers might be better....
We have never been thinking this way before...
Oh well, do what we gotta do.....
Have a great summer all.....

chuckie - 4-22-2017 at 08:49 AM

Common sense, Ross...Aint safe any more...

bajatrailrider - 4-22-2017 at 09:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Shootout between cops and bad guys? In front of Jardines yesterday....

Any more details on this ? Real shoot out or?

chuckie - 4-22-2017 at 09:28 AM

Lots over on talk Baja...very real

motoged - 4-22-2017 at 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Momma was anything but an old wife..Show some respect hoser..

Golly Gee, Chuckie,
You are making some assumptions here....stating facts and challenging a myth is what I was doing....no disrespect meant to Mamma Espinosa.

I question whether she originated the phrase as well as whether or not it has any validity.

Sorry to upset your turnip cart....

"Hoser" is a bit of a term of endearment popular in the 80's thanks to Second City TV (Canadian version, eh)....and seems to remain as a rather limited view of Canadian humour south of the 49th....

Ta ta for now, old chap, I will be oot and aboot for the rest of the day...

mtnpop - 4-22-2017 at 12:54 PM

Friends that were at Jardines said local police, federalies, and military vehicles were there and blocked off the access... did not say anything about gunfire although the hummers had the big guns on them...
They must have gone room to room and told folks to stay in the room..
Rattled them somewhat but now are back in crazy California... where there is probably no gunfire.... huh????

woody with a view - 4-22-2017 at 01:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Ta ta for now, old chap, I will be oot and aboot for the rest of the day...

Atta boy Ged! Keep the staples in the stapler. When are you planning to head south again, and more importantly, talk normal again?

:lol:

[Edited on 4-22-2017 by woody with a view]

chuckie - 4-22-2017 at 03:08 PM

Ged is a very sensitive chap, eh? Not a bad guy for a Canadian..He's come a long way from Saskatchewan, stopped leaning into the wind a while ago....He always tells me the same thing, when I call him "hoser"..If he just drank beer....

Bubba - 4-22-2017 at 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Common sense, Ross...Aint safe any more...

You are correct and it's been going on for awhile now but kept hush hush for a number of reasons. Gringos bring a lot of cash into Mexico, bad press they want kept hidden and we know why. Same way with the Gringo business owners down there, that's the last thing they want/need...

chuckie - 4-22-2017 at 06:10 PM

Reality is hard to face, especially when money is involved..There have been over 40 shootings in that area so far this year. The discussions center around rationalizing the whys and wherefores..The fact remains...It is dangerous and people deserve to know it. Then THEY must figure out how to deal with it..

chuckie - 4-23-2017 at 04:40 AM

beans

chuckie - 4-23-2017 at 04:12 PM

Two more shot dead in a car in San Quintin valley today....

JoeJustJoe - 4-25-2017 at 12:24 PM

Chucky wrote: Shootout between cops and bad guys? In front of Jardines yesterday....

_________________________________________

The way you handle a post like this is just ignore it and treat it as BS.

If the OP can't be bothered to provide a link to such a shooting, or at least specific details of the event, and exact location, then the post deserves a call of BS, until they back up their claim.

You can't just throw out a name like Jardines, and expect everyone to know where it's at. It could be a city, hotel, or even a nickname.

It's always laughable to see comments about a big cover-up about shootings in Mexico, and thinking US News outlets should be picking up all these shooting even in small Baja cities,

The fact is the local Mexican media, does pick up many of these shootings in the local papers, and the US media picks up the stories that make headlines, or hold wide interest .

willardguy - 4-25-2017 at 12:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Chucky wrote: Shootout between cops and bad guys? In front of Jardines yesterday....

_________________________________________

The way you handle a post like this is just ignore it and treat it as BS.

If the OP can't be bothered to provide a link to such a shooting, or at least specific details of the event, and exact location, then the post deserves a call of BS, until they back up their claim.

You can't just throw out a name like Jardines, and expect everyone to know where it's at. It could be a city, hotel, or even a nickname.

It's always laughable to see comments about a big cover-up about shootings in Mexico, and thinking US News outlets should be picking up all these shooting even in small Baja cities,

The fact is the local Mexican media, does pick up many of these shootings in the local papers, and the US media picks up the stories that make headlines, or hold wide interest .

I notice YOU didn't "just ignore it" did you? :rolleyes:

chuckie - 4-25-2017 at 12:32 PM

Thank you for your input JJJ!

Lee - 4-25-2017 at 03:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Chucky wrote: Shootout between cops and bad guys? In front of Jardines yesterday....
_________________________________________

The way you handle a post like this is just ignore it and treat it as BS.

If the OP can't be bothered to provide a link to such a shooting, or at least specific details of the event, and exact location, then the post deserves a call of BS, until they back up their claim.

You can't just throw out a name like Jardines, and expect everyone to know where it's at. It could be a city, hotel, or even a nickname.

It's always laughable to see comments about a big cover-up about shootings in Mexico, and thinking US News outlets should be picking up all these shooting even in small Baja cities,

The fact is the local Mexican media, does pick up many of these shootings in the local papers, and the US media picks up the stories that make headlines, or hold wide interest .

Most US campers I bump into up North believe there is too much violence in Mexico and Baja and the country is unsafe to visit.

There are nomads who use to visit Baja but are now too frightened to return.

I feel their pain. Baja isn't for everyone. If I were that afraid, I wouldn't visit Baja either.

JoeJustJoe - 4-25-2017 at 03:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

I notice YOU didn't "just ignore it" did you? :rolleyes:

Sorry, my post should have included the word, or instead of and.

Here is the new updated version I meant:

JJJ wrote: The way you handle a post like this is just ignore it or treat it as BS.

Now lets try it:

Chuck wrote: " Two more shot dead in a car in San Quintin valley today."
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JJJ wrote: I call BS!

fishbuck - 4-25-2017 at 03:47 PM

Does anyone know what happened yet?
Were two people shot and killed somewhere in San Quintin.
Was it at or near Jardines?

[Edited on 4-25-2017 by fishbuck]

chuckie - 4-25-2017 at 03:59 PM

Full story over on Talk Baja

Lee - 4-25-2017 at 06:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

Chucky wrote: Shootout between cops and bad guys? In front of Jardines yesterday....
_________________________________________

The way you handle a post like this is just ignore it and treat it as BS.

If the OP can't be bothered to provide a link to such a shooting, or at least specific details of the event, and exact location, then the post deserves a call of BS, until they back up their claim.

You can't just throw out a name like Jardines, and expect everyone to know where it's at. It could be a city, hotel, or even a nickname.

It's always laughable to see comments about a big cover-up about shootings in Mexico, and thinking US News outlets should be picking up all these shooting even in small Baja cities,

The fact is the local Mexican media, does pick up many of these shootings in the local papers, and the US media picks up the stories that make headlines, or hold wide interest .

Paco Facullo - 4-25-2017 at 09:05 PM

Well, with the raise in gas prices along with the big devaluation of the paso there is true hardship on many.
Also bring into account gangs, drug use and desperate deportee's and you have a recipe for a major increase in crime.

David K - 4-25-2017 at 09:11 PM

I was in San Quintin this morning and there was no sign of anything at Jardines, Los Olivos, Hotel Mision Santa Maria, or Cielito Lindo.
No police presence either. So, it got cleaned up fast!

chuckie - 4-26-2017 at 04:28 AM

What kind of "signs"' did you expect?

mtgoat666 - 4-26-2017 at 06:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I was in San Quintin this morning and there was no sign of anything at Jardines, Los Olivos, Hotel Mision Santa Maria, or Cielito Lindo.

Perhaps "signs of anything" will return after the fear subsides and customers and staff return, eh?

JoeJustJoe - 4-26-2017 at 10:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtnpop

For the first time in "FOREVER" I am thinking I want to caravan with someone early next month from Mulege thru San Felipe and San Luis to Yuma....
Towing a really nice jeep that gets a lot of attention. Would like to have it to use in Colorado this summer...
Maybe just being a little too much paranoid but just think traveling in numbers might be better....
We have never been thinking this way before...
Oh well, do what we gotta do.....
Have a great summer all.....

There are a few posts on this site that talks about a "caravan" thinking there is safety in numbers, and I guess it would be a little more safe by traveling that way.

But it's unlikely everybody who wants to travel on the Baja highways could coordinate their schedules with other family members, friends, or even strangers on the same week, unless the trip is planned way in advanced, and so a "caravan" is really an unworkable solution for most.

Personally, I think if American travelers feel they need a caravan to travel the roads and back roads of Baja, should instead stay home, or take an airplane to your destination.

This is not the 1800's where people traveled in covered wagons, and at the first sign of trouble, they would circle the wagons. Mexicans in Mexico, are also not savage Indians with bows and arrows who are sitting in the hills waiting to attack the palefaces. Instead, they have "goat's horns" better known as AK-47 type of assault rifles.

The odds being a victim of a crime in Mexico for foreign tourists is very small, and although there is cartel violence in Mexico, the tourists aren't being targeted, so these extraordinary measures of caravans or Mad Max, type vehicles in Baja are probably not needed, unless that's how you roll.

sancho - 4-26-2017 at 02:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

The odds being a victim of a crime in Mexico for foreign tourists is very small, and although there is cartel violence in Mexico, the tourists aren't being targeted

I've noticed a drop off in those inane posts claiming violence is
everywhere, US cities, and I feel safer camping in the US, Baja
is immune because it is almost an island, etc. Seems those
rebutals have lost some steam. As posted, it is Mex, has
always been a bit of a gamble to go SOB

chuckie - 4-26-2017 at 02:55 PM

The premise that tourists wont be injured because they are not "targeted" is ludicrous. A bullet has no mind, once fired..And the aftermath, dealing with Mexican authorities, is almost as scary as being shot..

bajabuddha - 4-26-2017 at 03:23 PM

Baja has always been 'wild and wooly' and one always had to keep the third eye open, that's what I loved most about it. However, they weren't using AK's and AR-15's back in The Day. Hard to do collateral damage with a machete.

Lee - 4-26-2017 at 07:52 PM

Tourists aren't immune to crime down South. Just don't think cartel violence is directed at this group. I can live with opportunistic thieves, conniving banditos, and petty scammers. I'll leave when cartel violence is rampant and tourists are dying in numbers.

In the mean time, I strongly believe there is strength in numbers when traveling. It doesn't prevent me from traveling alone. Get in trouble and it's good to have backup. Baja Western Onion seems to have lots of ads for travelers wanting company.

JoeJustJoe - 4-27-2017 at 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

The premise that tourists wont be injured because they are not "targeted" is ludicrous. A bullet has no mind, once fired..And the aftermath, dealing with Mexican authorities, is almost as scary as being shot..

Chuckie, do you have any evidence and links that show tourists and are being injured and killed in Mexico, from collateral damage, by way of the Mexican cartels, in any significant numbers or percentages, or is this just your feelings, based on perhaps a few headlines or anecdotal musings based on your own fears?

I ask because the US State Department Travel warning, doesn't even mention collateral damage as one of the many dangers it does list, and there is still the fact the US State Department travel warning, only says to, "exercise caution in the northern and southern state of Baja California, particularly at night."

Of course there have been some tragic killings of tourists by collateral damage in Mexico, and some places in Mexico are more dangerous than others, but like they say, " it could happen anywhere."

JoeJustJoe - 4-27-2017 at 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

People can believe anything they want.

People can also choose to live in fear.

And some fear mongers can exploit those fears, if that's what they like to do.

The fact is somewhere up to 30 million foreign tourists visited Mexico in 2016, and almost all of them make it back home safe without incident, and I bet they can't wait to get back to Mexico the following year, or a few years.

I do agree that Baja isn't for everyone.

chuckie - 4-27-2017 at 11:21 AM

JJJ I never said anywhere that tourists were being injured, killed, spat upon, hit by flying burritos or otherwise..Perhaps whomever is translating for you could read slower...or better yet in your native language...

JoeJustJoe - 4-27-2017 at 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

JJJ I never said anywhere that tourists were being injured, killed, spat upon, hit by flying burritos or otherwise..Perhaps whomever is translating for you could read slower...or better yet in your native language...

Chuckie, forgive me that gibberish is not my native language. English is my native language, and that I like to back up my posts with facts and links, but I could have swore that you were taking about tourists in your above post, that I linked below.

Do forgive me for being wrong, and BTW Chuckie, if you were not talking about tourists, who were you talking about?

Chuckie wrote: The premise that tourists wont be injured because they are not "targeted" is ludicrous.

chuckie - 4-27-2017 at 11:46 AM

Cauliflower soup, actually...

BajaMama - 4-28-2017 at 05:55 AM

My sister knew the two young men who were murdered on a beach by a "bad hombre" named Diablo about 15 years or so ago. They were driving a brand new truck and trying to buy pot so also carrying lots of cash. They slept on a remote/isolated beach and were murdered.

Moral of this story: Clueless people doing stupid things with bad people can get killed. I think keeping your nose clean and employing common sense helps keep you alive. Cartels have no interest in people with no interest in drugs (or so I hope...).

[Edited on 4-28-2017 by BajaMama]

JoeJustJoe - 4-28-2017 at 11:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

English is my native language,

From the errors you make, I assumed that you did NOT grow up in an environment where English was the native language. :?:

Are/were your parents native English speakers?

I don't answer questions, especially personal questions from BN trolls with less than 100 posts.

Lencho, you might want to cut down on the smileys at the end of most of your posts, because you over do it.

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

This is the crux; how many violent crimes actually result in law enforcement preventing future antisocial behavior by the perps? I love Mexico but in a certain way feel exposed: the primary reason there's not more violent crime is general human goodness and moral guidelines, not rule of law, and when bad things DO come down, there's little recourse from the authorities.

The system generally works, but with the increase of drugs and family breakdown, if law enforcement doesn't improve to fill in the growing moral gap, I see potential for hard times ahead.

Lencho, if I were you, I would worry less about JJJ's errors, than I would about your own patronizing, snooty and sanctimonious postings about Mexican human goodness, moral guidelines, and growing morals gaps, according to you.

Please, give me a break. I could picture Lencho, preaching this to Mexicans, in Mexico. I would pay money to hear the Mexicans response to Lencho's pompous moral guidelines. :lol:

I could do the smiley thing too.

JoeJustJoe - 4-28-2017 at 12:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by soulpatch

Huh?

I don't know what part of Mexico you live in but here it is the Mexicans that tell us these things, even to the point of knowing which police are honest if you are in a jam and which ones aren't.

Maybe I am missing something in your post.

Oh, I see it's the Mexicans, who are engaged in self-loathing talk about the breakdown of the moral fabric of Mexican society, while sounding like a Rush Limbaugh type.

Well, it could be true, but the question to be asked is: Does one Mexican, or even a few Mexicans stating their opinions, speak for all Mexicans?

If so is there any one white American, who speaks for all Americans? Perhaps Trump maybe?