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crazy rain in Northern Baja

Bajaboy - 5-8-2017 at 08:03 AM

Yesterday in Spring Valley, we received a record 1.7 inches of rain. How far into Baja did the rain reach?

Sure seems like our weather patterns are changing despite what some might say about a palm tree:light:

David K - 5-8-2017 at 08:09 AM

Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.

The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the panic that some love to have.

A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2017 at 08:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.

The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the panic that some love to have.

A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.


Your willfull ignorance is amusing! Thank you for providing our morning funnies!

I got 2" of precip. My yard likes it.

David K - 5-8-2017 at 08:29 AM

Facts are facts.

carlosg - 5-8-2017 at 08:37 AM

Growing up in Tecate I learned (heard it) from the old ranchers that a dry spell of seven years was followed by a seven year wet spell, it may not make much scientific sense but it sure made (and still does today) make common sense... who knows... I'm no scientist... I only live here...

Cliffy - 5-8-2017 at 08:41 AM

Let's see, 10,000 yrs ago we had glaciers from the North Pole to Arkansas and 40 or so years ago "scientists" were predicting another "Ice Age"
Follow the money

Prognostications over questionable data collected (by even the guy who collected it) over too short a period of astronomic time lead to, at best, wildly exaggerated future consequences of such "bent" data.

I've got my "Mae West" waiting for the rising sea levels to come :-)
It's been sitting there for 18 years but nothing has happened in that time frame.

We aren't even near the wind and solar power scams discussion yet-
but that's for another time and place.
Soap box put away for now - sorry for the drift.

wiltonh - 5-8-2017 at 08:59 AM

We were in Southern Baja in the early 70s and picked up a hick-hiker. The person said they owned a cattle ranch out in the desert. It had not rained at his ranch for 8 years. He said that if it did not rain that year, he would have to sell all of his cattle. He made it sound like this was not the first time it had happened.

If you ask the locals in Southern Baja their thoughts on hurricanes, they like them. This is where they get their rain. The positive affects of the rain offset the negative affects of the wind.

Right now the whole West Coast is in a wet period. The only sure thing is that it will be followed by a dry period.

BigBearRider - 5-8-2017 at 09:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.

The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the panic that some love to have.

A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.


David, please.

Do you think anyone can reasonably draw a scientific conclusion that sea levels have not changed based on the photos you keep referencing?

For starters, we don't know whether the initial photos were taken at high tide, and the last photos taken at low tide, vice versa, or anywhere in between, so how high up on the beach the water reaches is not very informative.

I assume that you are a flat earther, too?

[Edited to insert a missing "are" in last sentence.]

[Edited on 5-8-2017 by BigBearRider]

SFandH - 5-8-2017 at 09:25 AM

Forget it BigBearRider, he's not going to change his mind and yes he thinks the palm tree at Playa Coyote disproves the oceans are rising.

As far as the rain in the border region is concerned, I love it. It cleans things off, including the atmosphere which can get pretty thick in the San Diego/TJ area, waters the plants, and adds to the reservoirs. This weekend's storm was pretty unusual.

bajabuddha - 5-8-2017 at 09:26 AM

Morning funnies is right! Here we go again..... and if ever there was a thread to break the 50K (or is that '50 DK') mark, this is it.... unless of course there are several deletions due to self-repetition. ;)

Maderita - 5-8-2017 at 09:28 AM

There was snow yesterday in the Sierra de Juarez. Starting at the 5,000' level, but not "sticking." With temps around 37F., it melted before accumulating. Probably lasted a while longer at Laguna Hanson, 1,000' higher in elevation.

bonanza bucko - 5-8-2017 at 09:39 AM

Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."

Those dudes also don't want to talk about The Great Lakes which were dug by glaciers in the last ice age. The glaciers melted and filled up the lakes. So what made them melt?......you wanna bet it wasn't Cave Men (and Women) BBQing Mastadons?

BB

AKgringo - 5-8-2017 at 09:45 AM

That system wrapped around SoCal and came into the north/central Sierras from the east, dropping about seven inches of snow.

The precipitation for this area is about double the average. Notice I did not say normal, because both drought, and floods are normal!

JZ - 5-8-2017 at 10:18 AM

We had thunder in LA yesterday for like the 5th time in 20 years.

monoloco - 5-8-2017 at 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.

The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the panic that some love to have.

A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.
You might have a hard time convincing people in places like Bangladesh and Kiribati, who have already been displaced by rising sea levels. The folks that actually measure such things also disagree.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html

BornFisher - 5-8-2017 at 10:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bonanza bucko  
Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."

BB


Dick Cheney`s and Donald Trump`s ancestors?

monoloco - 5-8-2017 at 10:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bonanza bucko  
Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."

Those dudes also don't want to talk about The Great Lakes which were dug by glaciers in the last ice age. The glaciers melted and filled up the lakes. So what made them melt?......you wanna bet it wasn't Cave Men (and Women) BBQing Mastadons?

BB
I don't know anything about the geology of Lake Tahoe, but given the seismic activity in California, do you suppose that there could possibly have been some sort of subsidence event that could explain the tree trunks?

willardguy - 5-8-2017 at 10:56 AM

serious soaking in puerto nuevo area....and COLD!

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2017 at 11:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by monoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by bonanza bucko  
Some residents of Lake Tahoe dove down to about 100 feet off the shore of the lake and took pictures of large tree stumps down there. So the lake was at least 100 lower when those trees grew and they look like they were several hundred years old. What caused that? Nobody wants to talk about it because it violates the current religion -- "science" ---that man caused all the current "climate change."

Those dudes also don't want to talk about The Great Lakes which were dug by glaciers in the last ice age. The glaciers melted and filled up the lakes. So what made them melt?......you wanna bet it wasn't Cave Men (and Women) BBQing Mastadons?

BB
I don't know anything about the geology of Lake Tahoe, but given the seismic activity in California, do you suppose that there could possibly have been some sort of subsidence event that could explain the tree trunks?


Trees submerged in lake tahoe are known to have grown during a mega drought, they have been dated.
The mega droughts from the middle ages are pretty much irrelevant to current global warming caused by man

[Edited on 5-8-2017 by mtgoat666]

David K - 5-8-2017 at 11:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by monoloco  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Weather always changes... climates do too but over longer time periods.

The palm tree photos over the past 60 years are proof that the sea level has not changed in any of our lifetimes any amount that should cause the panic that some love to have.

A wet year followed by several dry years is NORMAL in this region of the world. The English wheat farming colony (Old Mill) at San Quintin was developed during a wet period and when multiple (normal) dry years followed, their colony (which did not have irrigation) failed.
You might have a hard time convincing people in places like Bangladesh and Kiribati, who have already been displaced by rising sea levels. The folks that actually measure such things also disagree.
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html


Because some lands are compressing (lowering) does not mean the sea is higher.

I can still drive on a salt flat that is inches above typical high tide and gets flooded at extreme high tides, as I have for nearly 40 years.

Why is this salt flat still only flooded at extreme high tides and not every high tide or underwater all the time?

Look around Baja... the salt flats (that became salt flats from natural high tides) are still above the sea most of the year... and not underwater.

When Scammon's and San Ignacio (and all other) lagoons are twice the size from covering the vast salt flats that extend inland from them your statement will be proven. On a closer observation, the streets along the beaches in California are still just as far above high tide as they were in the 1940s when built. The bottom of piers over the ocean still have as much air between them and the average sea level, and the breakwaters at our harbors are still above the sea to block waves. Boat launch ramps are still functioning after being built in the 1950s.

danaeb - 5-8-2017 at 11:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Morning funnies is right! Here we go again..... and if ever there was a thread to break the 50K (or is that '50 DK') mark, this is it.... unless of course there are several deletions due to self-repetition. ;)


What's the next designation after 50,000 posts? "President for Life"?

David K - 5-8-2017 at 12:34 PM

That number means nothing to me, but you all are looking for some fireworks, I guess? LOL

DENNIS - 5-8-2017 at 01:12 PM


Before DK hits that big number for posts, allow me to say something to all you a-holes who may want to abuse him for it.

Fifty thou for DK means only one thing. It means that he tried, and succeeded to give advice and guidance....along with pictures and well wishes to the members of this board 50000 times.
Not only did he unselfishly give of his own library of Baja knowledge, he did it, and continues to, largely without gratitude for his efforts.
His contribution here has, in my opinion, never been self-serving other than the gratification which comes from caring about others involved in his passion, Baja.
Soo...when all you ingrates who are lining up to have your way with his "big number" give it a bit of thought....try giving the man some thanks because he did it for you too.

JZ - 5-8-2017 at 01:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  


His contribution here has, in my opinion, never been self-serving other than the gratification which comes from caring about others involved in his passion, Baja.


Hahahahaha... I thought you were suppose to get wiser as you got older?

He's in it for the glory. And is racing to write a couple books for his legacy.

And, yes, he does help a lot of ppl out and is generous with that. But don't kid yourself (or us) on the rest.




[Edited on 5-8-2017 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2017 at 01:57 PM


https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/full.html


mtgoat666 - 5-8-2017 at 01:59 PM

History of atmospheric carbon dioxide from 800,000 years ago until January, 2016.

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/history.html

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2017 at 02:01 PM

Trends in Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide

https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/ccgg/trends/ff.html

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2017 at 02:05 PM

In Farenheit 451, Ray Bradbury described a fictional future world where all books were outlawed and firemen burned any confiscated books.

In the Trump Administration, Trump formulated a real world where ideas and data were outlawed and his appointed staff scrubbed government websites and databases to hide the outlawed ideas and data.

DK, it is too late for you to read about global warming, the Trumpian purge of science and scientists has begun, you are doomed to live in your ignorance!

SFandH - 5-8-2017 at 02:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  


Because some lands are compressing (lowering) does not mean the sea is higher.



Goat, please see if the CO2 concentration is higher where the continents and islands are sinking. If so, the weight of the extra CO2 could be the reason the ground is sinking.

Who would have thought, the oceans aren't rising, the ground is sinking. Pure genius.

[Edited on 5-8-2017 by SFandH]

mtgoat666 - 5-8-2017 at 03:01 PM

In san diego daily tides range from 1 to 2.5 meters. When tides change by 2.5 meters in a day, you cannot reliably visually discern an 8-inch sea level rise over time. But if you were designing storm drain outlets, sea walls, etc., you would certainly understand the 8 inch change. Visually, the only thing you will notice from 8 inch sea level rise over several decades is increased frequency of flooding at high tide, and increased beach erosion.
There is a reason that scientists measure things carefully over many years - because anecdotes of your visual memories are worthless compared to carefully measured data of known precision and accuracy referenced to an agreed datum! :light:

LancairDriver - 5-8-2017 at 03:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  

Before DK hits that big number for posts, allow me to say something to all you a-holes who may want to abuse him for it.

Fifty thou for DK means only one thing. It means that he tried, and succeeded to give advice and guidance....along with pictures and well wishes to the members of this board 50000 times.
Not only did he unselfishly give of his own library of Baja knowledge, he did it, and continues to, largely without gratitude for his efforts.
His contribution here has, in my opinion, never been self-serving other than the gratification which comes from caring about others involved in his passion, Baja.
Soo...when all you ingrates who are lining up to have your way with his "big number" give it a bit of thought....try giving the man some thanks because he did it for you too.


Agree 100%. The DK haters cant help themselves, their hatred completely overwhelms their empty, jealous lives.

DK often sites the palm tree as a practical visible example, among others, showing no visible ocean rise complete with existing fifty year old plus pictures as proof. Why has there not been any intelligent case brought by our in house "experts"disproving or explaining this example rather than the childish taunts and competing by the same old suspects to see who can have the "cutest" post knocking DK's example? Think about it. If you were a teacher leading a class trip and shown the present palm tree example and old pictures how would you explain this to the class? I would look forward to a rational, intelligent explanation, but I won't hold my breath.

willardguy - 5-8-2017 at 03:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by DENNIS  


His contribution here has, in my opinion, never been self-serving other than the gratification which comes from caring about others involved in his passion, Baja.


Hahahahaha... I thought you were suppose to get wiser as you got older?

He's in it for the glory. And is racing to write a couple books for his legacy.

And, yes, he does help a lot of ppl out and is generous with that. But don't kid yourself (or us) on the rest.




[Edited on 5-8-2017 by JZ]

:lol: I could give a ratzazz but anyone notice that glowing accolade comes from the number two boolchitter on the all time hit list?

sancho - 5-8-2017 at 03:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

Your willfull ignorance is amusing! Thank you for providing our morning funnies!









2"+, here in San Clemente, 54 degrees at 4 pm. Sun.,
by the way, Mil Gracias Francia for some normalcy

BajaMama - 5-8-2017 at 03:24 PM

Regarding Lake Tahoe, I assume it is the dam that raised the level.

Cliffy - 5-8-2017 at 04:31 PM

Well now isn't this special?
In a recently released study climatologists have found that-

"The researchers also related this low atmospheric oxygen to climatic developments in Earth’s history.

“We found that particularly low oxygen levels coincided with intervals of elevated global temperatures and high carbon dioxide concentrations,” explained Tappert.

Tappert suggests that oxygen may influence carbon dioxide levels and, under certain circumstances, might even accelerate the influx of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere."

http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/atmospheric-oxygen-d...

So 200 million years ago CO2 was way high and O2 was way low- OH wait- wait for it-
dinosaur farts did it!
Looks to me like the earth came through just fine until the sky started to fall.

AKgringo - 5-8-2017 at 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
Regarding Lake Tahoe, I assume it is the dam that raised the level.


The maximum level that the dam at Tahoe City adds to the lake is about six feet!

I lived there in the 70's, and was never aware of the submerged trees, so I googled it! Somewhere around 4300 to 4800 years ago, there was a drought long enough, and severe enough to drop the 190 square mile lake level enough for a forest to get established on the exposed shoreline!

It was exposed long enough to produce trees estimated at 100 to 150 years old before they were submerged again. By the way, Tahoe is over 1600 feet deep, average depth over 900 feet.

Edit, I had one to many zeros on the carbon dating numbers.

[Edited on 5-9-2017 by AKgringo]

Bajazly - 5-8-2017 at 06:01 PM

Wait, those submerged trees are 43K years old?

joerover - 5-8-2017 at 06:27 PM

https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-science-zeros-in-on-...

nasa says the sea is rising.

Team scientists will discuss a new visualization based on 23 years of sea level data – the entire record of available satellite data -- which reveals changes are anything but uniform around the globe. The record is based on data from three consecutive satellite missions,

-------------------------------------------

For example, Earth's mantle is still readjusting to the loss of ice on North America after the last ice age, and the reduced mass beneath that continent pulls the spin axis toward Canada at the rate of a few inches each year. But some motions are still puzzling.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/nasa-study-solves-two-mysteries...
give up you are not smart enough!

elgatoloco - 5-8-2017 at 06:35 PM

Don't forget the volcanoes! :rolleyes:

Out on the coast we got less then an 1" total on Sunday. Turned the sprinklers off for the next few days. :saint:

AKgringo - 5-8-2017 at 06:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly  
Wait, those submerged trees are 43K years old?


Sorry, I screwed that up, but here is a link to one of the pieces I found; https://www.scahome.org/publications/proceedings/Proceedings...

joerover - 5-8-2017 at 06:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Don't forget the volcanoes! :rolleyes::


Who killed the dinosaurs, meteorite, yea no. A volcano can reverse years of global warming caused by david k and the gop.
The supervolcano is overdue. Care for a volcanic winter?
Oh I forgot you are not smart enough to know what that means.

Bajaboy - 5-8-2017 at 07:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Don't forget the volcanoes! :rolleyes:

Out on the coast we got less then an 1" total on Sunday. Turned the sprinklers off for the next few days. :saint:


I checked our rain gauge and it read 2.25 inches. I guess I got some fake news originally. Not sure how this post became about David K:P

Back to my question, how far south into Baja did the rain get?

[Edited on 5-9-2017 by Bajaboy]

As Bangladesh goes so goes ..................

MrBillM - 5-8-2017 at 09:16 PM

Who KNOWS ?

Other than THOSE who buy their cheap CLOTHES ?

On the upside, they're our "Canaries".

When they go (and stay) under, we can start worrying.

Not about the clothes, of course. There are other third-world producers to take up the slack.

In the meantime, everybody could quit (mistakenly) thinking that their expressions of concern will have ANY effect on whatever happens with the weather.

BUT, given that taking one position or the other on CLIMATE causation is a political purity requirement, it's a certainty that the useless debate will go on.

It "would" be nice if the forecasters could be believed regarding what they say about the weather a day or two out, though, but I've given up even on that.

David K - 5-9-2017 at 08:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by elgatoloco  
Don't forget the volcanoes! :rolleyes:

Out on the coast we got less then an 1" total on Sunday. Turned the sprinklers off for the next few days. :saint:


I checked our rain gauge and it read 2.25 inches. I guess I got some fake news originally. Not sure how this post became about David K:P

Back to my question, how far south into Baja did the rain get?

[Edited on 5-9-2017 by Bajaboy]


What do you mean you're not sure???
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Yesterday in Spring Valley, we received a record 1.7 inches of rain. How far into Baja did the rain reach?

Sure seems like our weather patterns are changing despite what some might say about a palm tree:light:


Who else found an object at sea level (the trunk is about 1 ft. above typical high tide line) in a 60-year-old photo that is still here now, and still at (not under) sea level?

Bajaboy - 5-9-2017 at 09:19 AM

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Who else found an object at sea level (the trunk is about 1 ft. above typical high tide line) in a 60-year-old photo that is still here now, and still at (not under) sea level?[/rquote]

Is this a trick question...:?:

Anyways, back to my original question, how far down did the rain get? I saw snow at San Pedro Martir and rain in Vizcaino.

Tomas Tierra - 5-9-2017 at 12:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
In Farenheit 451, Ray Bradbury described a fictional future world where all books were outlawed and firemen burned any confiscated books.

In the Trump Administration, Trump formulated a real world where ideas and data were outlawed and his appointed staff scrubbed government websites and databases to hide the outlawed ideas and data.

DK, it is too late for you to read about global warming, the Trumpian purge of science and scientists has begun, you are doomed to live in your ignorance!



bah bah blah blah bah blah blah bah bah bah

DENNIS - 5-9-2017 at 01:09 PM


Ignore him. It's best.:light: