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Chivato Bulls Only.......

dorado50 - 6-3-2017 at 10:57 AM

waiting for tournament info for 2017. Has it been cancelled?

chuckie - 6-3-2017 at 10:59 AM

No News bout the Mulege tournament either...

BigBearRider - 6-3-2017 at 11:37 AM

Chivato is on June 23, 24, 25:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1540194199344269...

Hook - 6-4-2017 at 06:39 AM

You might also try getting on the email list. Send something to casaoxley AT GEE MAIL, etc. I have received at least two updates, including one this past week.

BajaGlenn - 6-4-2017 at 07:10 AM

Wishin i was fishin :bounce:

Pescador - 6-5-2017 at 09:15 AM

The tournament is June 23, 24, 25. Registration, Captains Meeting, and Calcutta Auction is Friday night. Licenses will be sold there

Fishing day is Saturday with an 8:00 Shotgun Start

Sunday is the awards dinner, Fish Tacos, raffle drawings,

There will be rooms available at Los Chibatos Hotelito.

dorado50 - 6-7-2017 at 04:24 PM

I am now up to speed, thanks all...... oh, one more thing, does anyone know where the dorado are? :spingrin:

chuckie - 6-7-2017 at 04:40 PM

Just go out on a 60 till you find em...

Russ - 6-7-2017 at 05:31 PM

On most derby days 1/3 head SE past the islands and most go over by San Marcos Isl and Troguga. I've only heard of a few small dorado in the last week. Pescador has a much better handle on what's going on out there.

[Edited on 6-8-2017 by Russ]

Hook - 6-8-2017 at 07:35 AM

Two tournaments on this side, the last two weekends. One weighable dorado, total, for both tournaments. 14.2 lbs. The first tournament was lures only, the second allowed bait and over 100 billfish were caught and released in the two days.

I am hearing reports of decent numbers of small dorado (<12 lbs.) being found over here. Virtually no sargasso so far, but sargasso patches are much more common off the Baja side.

drzura - 6-30-2017 at 01:29 PM

So... whats up with the results of the tournament? Did they catch any dodo's? If so, how big?

Meany - 6-30-2017 at 02:24 PM

I here'd through the Grapevine that a 22.2 Bull won Chivato with second at 11lbs. Third was a tie with 9lbs. Sound like just a few boats even got Fish. But Fun was had by all... :bounce:

KaceyJ - 6-30-2017 at 07:55 PM

I haven't confirmed it yet but I heard only 4 dorado caught

If true I think of the environmental impact of the gas burned in pursuit of a dying supply of fish is disgusting.

Glad everyone had a great time raping what little is left.

Vaquita , Dorado , is there any difference really?

Maybe a trigger fish tournament , Kayaks only, would be a more appropriate venue

Thought processes need to change

kc/

dorado50 - 6-30-2017 at 08:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KaceyJ

I haven't confirmed it yet but I heard only 4 dorado caught

If true I think of the environmental impact of the gas burned in pursuit of a dying supply of fish is disgusting.

Glad everyone had a great time raping what little is left.

Vaquita , Dorado , is there any difference really?

Maybe a trigger fish tournament , Kayaks only, would be a more appropriate venue

Thought processes need to change

kc/

Dude, pull your head out of the sand. Chivato area is so full of dorado right now its ridiculous.... many, many in the 20 to 30# range. You cant troll more than five minutes before being blasted by dorados. The tournament produced lots of dorados by the way.

Russ - 7-1-2017 at 05:47 AM

dorado50, I beg to disagree with you. There were a very few boats out of the 20 or so that went out that got some dorado. Most came back without any dorado some got into billfish however. We have had a few days of fishable weather and a few boats that have been out looking for dorado. I'd have said chasing dorado but that would infer that there were some out there. I thought last year was bad but so far this year it's a disaster!

dorado50 - 7-1-2017 at 06:08 AM

Hmm...for some reason I keep running into them and I am not a lucky guy! When I bring a dorado to my boat there are just massive schools under the boat. Granted the dorado fishing is weaker now than in years past, imo, perhaps because of lack of Sargasso weed this year?. The key for me this summer is if you find a turtle the dorado will be close by.....BTW, my fishing partner and I caught at least 15 fish on tourney day. All but four released of course.

Meany - 7-1-2017 at 07:02 AM

Well dorado50. I would Love to see a couple of shots of these large schools of Dorado that you see?? Maybe the next time you go out you could make some of us happy that have'd seen some thing like that in a year. :light:

Pescador - 7-1-2017 at 07:29 AM

Boy, I love these opinion pieces. Fishing was a little tough but about half of the boats did pretty well. We had more than enough fish to feed everyone a wonderful Dorado Taco Dinner prepared by Saul Zuniga from Mulege. This kind of reminds me of the two blind men who went to a Circus to see the Elephant. One touched the trunk and reported a large animal with a Thick, heavy, powerful tail that could actually hold peanuts. The other touched the other end and thought that the trunk was really wimpy with a little hairy brush at the end and did not feel at all like the elephant he thought of in his mind. You guys remind me of that. Either the fishing was great and everyone had a great time, or the fishing was lousy and Nobody caught any fish.

We have a serious problem with longliners and commercial fishermen in the Sea of Cortez who are seriously hammering the Dorado populations. It is still possible to see vast schools of Dorado when you are in the right place at the right time. Having lived here for over 15 years, it is my opinion (and you know how much that is worth) that the schools are stronger than the last few years.

Meany - 7-1-2017 at 07:51 AM

Well Pescador, I have always believed in a Picture is worth a thousand words. It might be a case of the Emperor has no clothes syndrome. We can wish for the fishing to be like it was in the past, but it really isn't. :biggrin:

dorado50 - 7-1-2017 at 09:16 AM

Hey meany, really don't care what you think from your chair on land! If it suits you than there are no dorado here. Its all a big lie!. Sorry I burst your bubble, didn't mean to upset your internet beliefs.....carry on with your negativity.

Meany - 7-1-2017 at 10:04 AM

Don't worry Dorado50 no burst bubble here...Ive been fishing out of Chivato for 20+ years and I know what I've seen. To pretend otherwise is to ignore the problem all of the sea of Cortez is having with dwindling fish stock and slowing efforts to reverse it. Thats why I was so eager to see your photos to prove otherwise. Very unusual for a fisherman not to have photos.... :biggrin:

Russ - 7-1-2017 at 11:49 AM

I don't know who Dorado50 is but Meany is out there on the water and has good sources and a lot of experience here and NOB. I've now become the "chair on land" reporter but like Meany spent over 20 years chasing dorado. What is upsetting to me is that here it is a week after the tournament and there is still no official report from those who put the tournament on. I had so many different stories on what happened that I just reported what I felt the most accurate. Pescador was on the beach where the fish were brought in and was a huge part of the event so he should have reported. You could have given a report and saved my poor reporting a week ago??? However inaccurate my reports are/were I will hold with my belief that the dorado stocks are dismal. I spoke to many of the boats that didn't report the the beach because the got skunked. " Fishing was a little tough but about half of the boats did pretty well." Come on Pescador & Dorado50 a 22 pound fish takes the top prize and and 2nd place is 11 pounds and that's doing pretty well?? Jeeze who's playing in the sand? And also reported to me there were boats bringing in over limits catches to help with the taco dinner. Yes there are differing reports here and that leaves it up to the reader to filter thru all the info. To say someone a lying is out of line! Again the tournament folks could have posted or sent out an e-mail and avoided many rumors and misinformation.

del mar - 7-1-2017 at 12:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KaceyJ

now why would anyone be reluctant to post a fishing report here? :no:

1bobo - 7-2-2017 at 09:26 AM

The tournament people took a number of photos at weigh-in, and I assumed they'd be posted somewhere, but apparently not.

1st (22.2 lbs) and 3rd (9.2 lbs) fish were caught on the Wabi Sabi, captained by Bill Ochs out of Mulege. 32 miles out, blue water and no sign of fish; no sargasso, no birds for 4 hours, until we came upon a mesquite log with boobies sitting on it and every dorado within 20 miles under and around it.

Needless to say, we had an exciting hour releasing many fish. Lost a couple of nice ones, but didn't see really big ones.

The fish are out there, but without any structure to concentrate them, it's a crap shoot finding the fish the longliners don't get.

Very well organized tournament, great people. Thanks to the Homeowners Association of Punta Chivato.

22.2 lbs 2017 HAPC Bulls Only winner_tn.jpg - 90kB

del mar - 7-2-2017 at 10:00 AM

wow thats a hell of a boat ride! is that the winning fish? gracias :coolup:

Pescador - 7-2-2017 at 10:56 AM

We needed Russ and his camera to record the events. I actually was too busy to also take responsibility for all the pictures. Forget the rumors, there were exactly 12 fish checked in to the scales run by FONMAR. I have been working this tournament for a long time and we are always at the break time of the year when we either have some fish or do not have any fish at all. We always have yellowtail or some other fish in the freezer to take care of our responsibility for the Fish Taco Dinner.

I posted pictures and reports on Facebook and find myself not spending as much time on this site as I get a little tired of the negativity and sarcasm that seems to permeate everything. Civility and common respect have become more rare than the Dorado. I think the videos from Vince Radice treat this issue better than anything else I have seen and are very informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vN_g2-JU_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXp0U8yXsoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0__kyyAXSUU

Meany is absolutely right that the level of Dorado stocks are but a fraction of what they were even 10 years ago and to claim otherwise if foolish and ill informed.

But, for a tournament, the purpose is a competition where everyone goes out for a day of fishing and between luck and skill someone wins and someone loses. It was a great day for Bill Ochs who is a good fisherman that spends the time on the water. There were other great fishermen who I have a lot of respect for that did not do so well, but the tournament was a smashing success and everyone that attended had a wonderful time.

Meany - 7-2-2017 at 11:59 AM

1bobo nice looking fish. Thanks for posting the picture. I see some tails in your cooler so it was good day for you and your friends. I am not doubting that there wasn't any fish out there. I just find some fish story to be questionable. That is why pictures work for me. The proof is in the pudding..... :biggrin:

bajabuddha - 7-2-2017 at 12:22 PM

I find it humorous that one fisherperson finds another fisherperson's story to be questionable. That I believe is a redundancy. :biggrin: