BajaNomad - Baja California Almanac

Hello

Thoroughly confused on this map/Almanac.

Prices from $24, hundreds to thousands.

Price dependent on author, paper quality, ...?

If you have the knowledge and time to explain much appreciated.

Out of print. A few enterprising ebayers wishfully hoping to find a sucker. Buy the $24 version.

bajaguy - 6-16-2017 at 09:58 PM

Check with Bajabound......they may still have some available

PaulW - 6-17-2017 at 07:30 AM

The only source is Ebay and the price is $100 and up
No more $25 sales from any of our common sources.

David K - 6-17-2017 at 10:06 AM

All produced by Landon Crumpton...

Top left: 1986 Baja Topo Atlas
Bottom left: 1991 Baja Topo Atlas
Center top: ~1998 Baja California Almanac (Norte and Sur editions)
Center bottom: 2003 Baja California Almanac
Right: 2009 Baja California Almanac

[Edited on 6-17-2017 by David K]

TMW - 6-17-2017 at 01:52 PM

The 2003 is the best in my opinion. The 86, 91 and 2009 are too big to carry along on a trip. The 98 version is OK. I have all but the 91 version.

Franco - 6-18-2017 at 07:05 AM

Thanks for all the replies.

Possibly once in the Baja connecting with other travelers a few of these maps may be available for viewing.

Settles for a Map from ITMB publishing. On sale for $8.50 Cnd. The petro dollar. That would be $6 US? LOL.

PaulW - 6-18-2017 at 07:58 AM

Contacted Baja Bound and no joy. Result is sold out.
David can you put in a word to have them release some copies?

David K - 6-18-2017 at 08:07 AM

Thanks for all the replies.

Possibly once in the Baja connecting with other travelers a few of these maps may be available for viewing.

Settles for a Map from ITMB publishing. On sale for $8.50 Cnd. The petro dollar. That would be $6 US? LOL.

There is nothing quite as valuable as a good map when exploring a new region or one you have enjoyed your whole life.

There are two maps that are valuable to have in Baja and a close third.

1) The Automobile Club folding map because it has all the major roads and several dirt roads ALL with mileages between road junctions, ranches, towns, etc. Last printing 2010.

2) The Baja California Almanac because it shows nearly all roads and trails on a topographic color relief map. Mileages as well, but along major roads only. It is a book of maps. The 2009 updated version is very large. The 2003 one is easier to use but does not have some of the newer roads that are included in the 2009 edition.

3) The National Geographic folding pair of Baja maps. They are huge scale maps, not easy to use but have good topographic features, just not a lot of road detail. Published in 2008.

Most others are not too helpful.

SAMPLES:

AAA Map:

Close up:

Baja Almanac Map:

National Geographic Map:

Bajavanadu - 6-18-2017 at 09:08 AM

Probably not to cool but could someone scan a version for pdf? I loaned mine out to a baja newbie and it's long gone. I emailed the website for the almanac but recieved no response, I would happily pay a premium for a pdf copy?

TMW - 6-18-2017 at 09:36 AM

Try these

http://www.baja-almanac.com/

http://n.stuccu.com/s/Baja+Almanac

2003 edition
https://www.amazon.com/Baja-California-Almanac-Publishers/dp...

2009 edition, a little expensive but what the heck.
https://www.amazon.com/Baja-California-Almanac-LANDON-CRUMPT...

David K - 6-18-2017 at 10:07 AM

Nice links Tom, but the original website baja-alamanc.com was Landon's and he is no longer with us with no word of anyone in the family interested in continuing it.

Sadly, Baja Bound Insurance has sold all they had available, at half the other prices online: https://www.bajabound.com/before/aboutmex/bajaalmanac.php

I know they are trying to get more copies.

I think the best choice is to get the National Geographic map set, less than 20 dollars now: https://www.amazon.com/Baja-Bundle-National-Geographic-Adven...

[Edited on 6-18-2017 by David K]

TMW - 6-18-2017 at 10:30 AM

The Nat Geo maps have a lot of mistakes. The one above doesn't show the road out to hwy 1 across Chapala, it shows the road from when you were a kid.

rts551 - 6-18-2017 at 10:56 AM

This is why I no longer recommend maps. They are grossly out of date. A good GPS and and associated baja is far better and easier to keep up to date.

David K - 6-18-2017 at 11:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

The Nat Geo maps have a lot of mistakes. The one above doesn't show the road out to hwy 1 across Chapala, it shows the road from when you were a kid.

Yes, true... and the Almanac has the wrong latitude figures on several pages. I was just saying of the three, the Nat Geo is cheap and a nice map for showing the land and most of the main roads.

As for Ralph's reply... a living (easily updated) online map with Google Earth style GPS location ability is in the works. One may download it or print out areas of interest if you are going into a non-cell area. If he or anyone knows of other such maps already available to the average Baja traveler, please post links.

rts551 - 6-18-2017 at 01:08 PM

For Topo maps, e32 maps are great. Available for Garmin or as an app. http://cartografiagps.com/en/app-e32-gps.php

For roads City Navigator Mexico are not bad if you get the lifetime updates.

A GPS does not rely on cell service...no need to worry about downloads or printing of maps.

Be safe

bajaguy - 6-18-2017 at 01:25 PM

Technology fails, back up your GPS with paper maps. If you will be going off-road, get topo maps that show terrain features

shari - 6-18-2017 at 04:05 PM

maybe time for BAja Bound and David K to hook up and make some new maps or an almanac! :light:

ehall - 6-18-2017 at 05:12 PM

Wow, found a few on ebay. $250 for new, 115 for lightly used. That's crazy prices. I bought mine for $21 bucks off eBay a few years ago. Getting harder to find.

TMW - 6-18-2017 at 05:34 PM

That's why I have a new copy of both the 2003 and 2009 so I can have copies made when my old one get too bad to use.

PaulW - 6-19-2017 at 07:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajavanadu

Probably not to cool but could someone scan a version for pdf? I loaned mine out to a baja newbie and it's long gone. I emailed the website for the almanac but received no response, I would happily pay a premium for a pdf copy?

=== =
Here is a little knowlwdge on your suggestion
The 2003 version is scanner friendly due to the 8.5x11 format. It is 126 pages. So even making PDF of the book would be a big chore. Of course you can always print David K's various screen shots he uses to document his travels.
As an easier alternative download your own PDFs from the actual source.
The base maps are free from INEGI.org. The Almanac creator adds little detail then publishes the result. For a complete set of maps there are 55 files to duplicate the Almanac.
The INEGI maps are in PDF format. But to make a collection of the PDFs for a complete version of the Almanac would take a while. However it is pretty easy to grab a small map of the area of your interest. The INEGI maps and consequently the Almanac maps are mid 1960s data for the most part, but some areas have been updated a few years.
I have been known to go to a copy shop and have these INEGI maps printed in "C" size color format and these maps are very useful and much better than the Almanac's small format. But not inexpensive. It would be a lot less costly to buy a pristine EBAy version of the Almanac for around $200 or even more.

David K - 6-19-2017 at 08:27 AM

A Nomad mailed me a dvd of the entire 2003 Baja Almanac scanned.
They are not edited (ie. cropped, straightened, enhanced) but it would save the work of scanning each page. As noted above, I have scanned many of the pages to be visual aids for trip reports here with arrows, names or mileages added on. For example, here is one to point out where El Requeson is located...

Or this one, zoomed in, to show El Chorro, near where the hot springs near Santiago are located...

Franco - 6-19-2017 at 09:02 AM

For a GPS version using Garmin Map Source on your computer a link from this web page,

http://www.calycanto.com/maps/gps-map-of-baja/

exists but at the time of writing the link to the vendor is interrupted.

Franco - 6-19-2017 at 09:57 AM

From paper map to GPS unit :bounce:

Located a Rhino 650 for sale locally.

Will purchase Map E32.

Back roads, trails and remote areas.

David K - 6-19-2017 at 02:00 PM

For a GPS version using Garmin Map Source on your computer a link from this web page,

http://www.calycanto.com/maps/gps-map-of-baja/

exists but at the time of writing the link to the vendor is interrupted.

Here you go: http://www.lbmaps.com/GPSMaps/Navigator.htm

Franco - 6-19-2017 at 02:53 PM

Here you go: http://www.lbmaps.com/GPSMaps/Navigator.htm

Thanks for the link!

Purchased two Garmin Rhino 650 GPS Units with Alberta back road maps loaded on one. $200. Took one out for a test drive leaving a $100 deposit. Twenty K away and home base, the second unit, showing where it lays. Three year old units, receipt as proof. My Gut instructs the brain to purchase. Not stolen goods and in good condition. Battery only drops to 98% while out and about for two hours.
Great item for camp when I'm on the oil lease roads and returning at night.

New toys. Can't figure out how to clear the trip computer.. Pull the battery??

Detail detail much like location location. The Gut is feeling better about Map E32.

Will sleep on it and feel for the right decision in the morning.

Thanks!!

:saint:

Sometimes

Bajavanadu - 6-21-2017 at 07:02 AM

A Nomad mailed me a dvd of the entire 2003 Baja Almanac scanned.
They are not edited (ie. cropped, straightened, enhanced) but it would save the work of scanning each page. As noted above, I have scanned many of the pages to be visual aids for trip reports here with arrows, names or mileages added on. For example, here is one to point out where El Requeson is located...

Or this one, zoomed in, to show El Chorro, near where the hot springs near Santiago are located...

Would you consider putting the files in the cloud for download?

[Edited on 6-21-2017 by Bajavanadu]

norte - 6-21-2017 at 08:00 AM

Isn't there a copyright on those map books? If so copying and distributing would be against the law.

David K - 6-21-2017 at 08:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by norte

Isn't there a copyright on those map books? If so copying and distributing would be against the law.

Yes, copying and then selling his books without him included would be.

Pretty much everything printed for sale has the copyright symbol to protect intellectual property and sales. We are crediting the source as being Landon Crumpton's Baja California Almanac. If his books were still published, this would be like free advertising. Only a few maps shared or parts of those maps, not the whole book.

Nomad is a privately owned forum, one must register to be on, where Baja-loving people help other Baja people and in doing so help the people of Baja. Maps are displayed only for educational purposes.

If these 14 and 8-year-old Almanac maps are no longer published/ printed, and no longer available for sale (at normal distributor prices) and the publisher and author is no longer in business or alive. These scanned reproductions are not sold, so I am not sure who is being harmed.

On a personal note, once my 2016 book is out of print and the distributors have run out, I would be honored if it was shared in the future to keep on educating those with a quest for knowledge. Unlike road maps, the history it contains is set in time. We can only hope more facts might be discovered than what is known today!

mtgoat666 - 6-21-2017 at 09:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by norte

Isn't there a copyright on those map books? If so copying and distributing would be against the law.

that is a mistaken but groovy-feeling misunderstanding of copyright law,... but, hey, it's all about peace, love and fish tacos, so what me/us worry? :lol:

David K - 6-21-2017 at 09:10 AM

Yep, groovy.

PaulW - 6-21-2017 at 09:38 AM

Regarding the images (not the published book) used by the Almanac. The images are owned by INEGI and they offer them up as a free download. So far the only format I have discovered is a picture format (TIF). Further I cannot locate the key for these color enhanced files which sure does not help those of us would like a computer version of them. I gave up the search for that key. Maybe someone can take over the search?
Paul
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Quote: Originally posted by norte

Isn't there a copyright on those map books? If so copying and distributing would be against the law.

Franco - 6-26-2017 at 08:46 AM

So I began asking about maps!

Thanks for the replies and further comments. Stayed on subject.

Then I purchased two, slightly used only on Sundays, R650 GPS Units.

Next day an email arrives offering the LAST 2009 Baja Almanc.

Purchased the Almanac.

Impressed with the GPS units the Mexico E32 map is purchased.

Baja is getting expensive and I'm not even on route!

mcnut - 6-26-2017 at 09:34 AM

Any investment in support of a trip to Baja is a good investment!

Bruce

TMW - 6-26-2017 at 09:51 AM

So I began asking about maps!

Thanks for the replies and further comments. Stayed on subject.

Then I purchased two, slightly used only on Sundays, R650 GPS Units.

Next day an email arrives offering the LAST 2009 Baja Almanc.

Purchased the Almanac.

Impressed with the GPS units the Mexico E32 map is purchased.

Baja is getting expensive and I'm not even on route!

Wait till you get down there and purchase gas, meals and hotel rooms, then it will get expensive and don't forget the souvenirs for your loved ones.

freediverbrian - 6-26-2017 at 04:26 PM

One on eBay now for $59 " buy it now"

ehall - 6-26-2017 at 08:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mcnut

Any investment in support of a trip to Baja is a good investment!

Bruce

I'm going to use that line if you don't mind. Thanks

Ateo - 6-27-2017 at 07:54 AM

Mine is laminated and bound.....maybe I can sell for $400 in a few years?

Franco - 6-27-2017 at 09:18 AM

Laminated and bound. Great Idea!

Franco - 6-28-2017 at 04:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Wait till you get down there and purchase gas, meals and hotel rooms, then it will get expensive and don't forget the souvenirs for your loved ones.

Maps and GPS are part of the "Doing Business". GPS will be handy in the back roads of Alberta.
The gas, meals and occasional hotel rooms are part of the "Living" equation. Experienced that over the past 35 years roaming the planet. In 1986, downtown Manhattan I almost fell out of the vehicle when asked to pay $20 for an hours parking. Cost of "Doing Business".

Now the souvenirs. Yes they are expensive and the smaller the greater the cost, possibly.

What about the ITMB Baja map?

Gscott - 7-1-2017 at 08:14 PM

I haven't heard opinions on the ITMB map. So? I can get this map and the Nat'l Geo map pack, I have copies of the AAA map, but I can't get an Almanac for a reasonable price.

The AAA maps don't have much detail for exploring. Which is better, the NG or the ITMB?

Any chance anyone will print the almanac again? I guess there is no point waiting for the people at baja-almanac.com.

TMW - 7-2-2017 at 07:42 AM

Refresh my memory, what is a ITMB map?

As to the almanac the copyright owner is dead. I think David K and M&E Books should buy the rights and publish new copies. Maybe BajaBound would be interested. Either way David K could update the almanac in the areas where there are mistakes.

Franco - 7-2-2017 at 08:55 AM

I haven't heard opinions on the ITMB map. So? I can get this map and the Nat'l Geo map pack, I have copies of the AAA map, but I can't get an Almanac for a reasonable price.

The AAA maps don't have much detail for exploring. Which is better, the NG or the ITMB?

Any chance anyone will print the almanac again? I guess there is no point waiting for the people at baja-almanac.com.

ITMB provides detail for a few of the dirt roads. Provides information for two wheel off roading. 4X4 off road in the Baja is best using a GPS.

David K - 7-2-2017 at 09:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Refresh my memory, what is a ITMB map?

As to the almanac the copyright owner is dead. I think David K and M&E Books should buy the rights and publish new copies. Maybe BajaBound would be interested. Either way David K could update the almanac in the areas where there are mistakes.

ITMB is (was?) made in Vancouver, Canada. A folding map of the peninsula. The first edition was great (1989); It had topographic contour lines and mileages on major roads. Many location details were printed on the map around the peninsula (albeit in tiny text). I had mine laminated and made it a wall map.

Newer editions were terrible (in my opinion). The roads were not correctly shown, names were wrong, etc. Useless. The first Baja Almanac appeared after that ITMB map and that was it for providing easy to use, topo-road maps. It had replaced the huge (but super detailed) Baja Topo Atlas of the late 80s and early 90s.

Here is the cover of the folding map first edition... lamination reflects light during scanning, it is darker in reality:

As for the Baja Almanac revision... I am onboard for that and efforts are being made to make that possible. It would be a huge service to the Baja traveler, so if not me, I hope someone... anyone, can keep it alive!

I just scanned part of the ITMB 1989 map:

[Edited on 7-2-2017 by David K]

Marc - 7-2-2017 at 09:58 AM

I have the ITMP second edition. Totally worn out and held together with tape. IMHO the best map of the peninsula.

basautter - 7-2-2017 at 05:02 PM

I like the e32 map mentioned above, or the AAA Baja map. I have the Baja Almanac, and like it the best, but the other two work fine. I would not pay $100.00 for the BA. $50.00 maybe...

pacificobob - 7-2-2017 at 05:07 PM

I'll be willing bet 90% of maps made in the last 20 years are plagiarized to some degree from various digital sources. I'm no cartographer, just guessing. i have been in parts of Chihuahua and Durango where i can guarantee the map maker(in this case guia rojo) was never there. villages in the wrong area ect.

Gscott - 7-2-2017 at 06:09 PM

Thanks for the reviews. Once again it looks like I'm searching for used and out of print resources..

I'll get the Nat Geo map pack for now. I do hope new editions of the almanac become available again, it's just crazy to think there may not be an atlas for this area...

TMW - 7-2-2017 at 06:30 PM

If you are looking at a specific area use Google Earth. If the area on GE is dated before Nov 2014 it may not be correct.

Alm - 7-3-2017 at 10:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

This is why I no longer recommend maps. They are grossly out of date. A good GPS and and associated baja is far better and easier to keep up to date.

x2. Especially if you drive same rout year after year

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW

The 2003 version is scanner friendly due to the 8.5x11 format. It is 126 pages.

62 pages, including few index text pages, in mine. Never crossed my mind that people are still buying it, will put mine on Ebay when have time.

David K - 7-3-2017 at 10:37 PM

I think the desire for an Almanac-type map is for the backcountry and not so much for those looking for a gas station or Hwy. 1 mileages?

Looking at a real map, on paper seems so much more gratifying than staring at a glowing screen to some of us.

This kind of 'explorable area':

Alm - 7-4-2017 at 12:32 AM

It's nice to hold printed map in hands, nice colors, yellow-brown terrain, blue sea. PC screen is less strain on my old eyes, slight touch of the scroll wheel zooms it up or makes fonts bigger.

Actually I don't have a GPS in my car except for a very old handlheld that I rarely use. Those 7" GPS that I've seen weren't too bad. "Glowing" back-lighted screen makes it easier to read, better colors and contrast than a printed map.

chrishaynesusa - 9-17-2017 at 04:53 PM

Just as a progress report and to confirm I do use the search function

I found a copy of the Baja Almanac(s) Norte & Sur on eBay, where I won the bid at about 50$ each.
Given the amount of note taking room on each page and the level of detail it is my favorite so far.
And I am contemplating making copies of them.
All others found on book search engines are in the 200-1200 dollar range(which is ludicrous)

I also have the AAA baja map Copright 2003/4
and bought within the last month the National Geographic Norte/Sur dual map pack(copyright 2008 on Amazon).

I cant tell you how many dead / deleted / domain gone links I have found in this search.

David K - 9-17-2017 at 05:12 PM

Good job.

The Norte/ Sur double book Almanac is from about 1997 or 1998. Landon did not date the edition. I bought them in 1999 or 2000, I think? They are 8.5" × 11".

In 2003, Landon combined them into one book and enhanced the maps into full color topography.

In 2009, he created a larger map book in page size, but the scale is smaller.

PaulW - 9-18-2017 at 07:40 AM

So what to do. I have all the maps discussed. I have a GPS with Murdock maps.
Now I am working on the tablet method. I like the ease of use and large clear viewing screen. Trouble is Baja maps for a tablet (phone) have not been found. Has anyone got any map suggestions other than the unacceptable Earthmate map?

David K - 9-18-2017 at 07:54 AM

What about LB Maps?

http://www.lbmaps.com/lb_baja.htm

[Edited on 9-18-2017 by David K]

PaulW - 9-18-2017 at 04:16 PM

For the GPS yes. Not for the tablet/phone.

David K - 9-18-2017 at 04:32 PM

Well, keep working on decoding the INEGI site so we can use the color topo maps like Landon did.

Gscott - 9-19-2017 at 07:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW

For the GPS yes. Not for the tablet/phone.

What tablet? Android? Any Garmin .img should open in Oruxmap on Android.

Of course there is Open Street Map. There are tiles for the whole world, not huge detail in the Baja maps yet. But you can help build the dataset!
http://garmin.openstreetmap.nl/

[Edited on 9-19-2017 by Gscott]

PaulW - 9-19-2017 at 07:47 PM

There are many posts on the web for people looking for a Baja background map for the Earthmate tool we use with InReach. Anyway so far nobody has come up with a map suggestion. People asking about the map are bikers, surfers, whale watchers, and off road drivers like us.
Earthmate works on IPhone & Andriod devices
Yes, there are plenty of maps that work on those platforms, but all suck for Baja and are useless unless they are compatible for Earthmate download.
Life is way to short to become a digital mapping guy.

Gscott - 9-19-2017 at 10:53 PM

Cartografia E32 sucks? I thought it got pretty good reviews. That's what I was going to buy.

chrishaynesusa - 9-20-2017 at 07:19 AM

I have asked a print shop to make 5 copies of the set I just bought on eBay.
the quote was 38-40 bucks each. eBay winning bid was for 50 dollars each.
Some quotes were in the 58-62 bucks each range.

I will have 5 copies made of the Norte and Sur Almanacs.
These will be used by my group of off-roaders. Some of whom are very adept at Digital navigation(geocachers

)

Nothing beats a paper copy to augment any spur of the moment decisions.

I wanted 10 copies of each originally, however the cost got in the way.
If I want more copies in the future I will take the time to scan them and remove some of the obsolete ads and add more notes areas.

Desertbull - 9-20-2017 at 09:43 AM

Cartografia E32 sucks? I thought it got pretty good reviews. That's what I was going to buy.

I have several copies of E32 for each GPS and have used it a lot over the past 4 years. It is clearly the best digital map available at this time. It's updated with new dirt trails every year and its an easy upgrade.

I use E32 it on my Garmin Montana(s) and my Garmin Delorme InReach Plus ... I have Baja Almanacs as well, but the detail of the E32 surpasses the Baja Almanacs.

:bounce:

TMW - 9-20-2017 at 10:02 AM

I second what Desertbull said. I use the E32 and like it.

chrishaynesusa - 10-7-2017 at 08:16 AM

eBay has sold 2 of these in the last 4-5 days.
one for 61 bucks
one for 101 bucks.

my 5 copies(north and south) should be back from the printer this week.

Pappy Jon - 10-7-2017 at 09:24 AM

What tablet? Android? Any Garmin .img should open in Oruxmap on Android.

Say what? Did I just learn something. I have the LB maps on my Garmin.

Alm - 10-7-2017 at 01:35 PM

I have asked a print shop to make 5 copies of the set I just bought on eBay.
the quote was 38-40 bucks each. eBay winning bid was for 50 dollars each.
Some quotes were in the 58-62 bucks each range.

Have been planning to dump mine for a while. 2003 edition, both Norte and Sur in one book, the bottom center on David's photo on the 1st page. Don't have time to mail it now, busy packing to go South. Ebay is unpredictable, and reserve price or higher starting bet cost extra. Will post in classifieds here before surrendering to Swiss vultures of Ebay and their fees. In a few months perhaps.

chrishaynesusa - 10-7-2017 at 04:53 PM

Baja almanac N & S on eBay now for 27 bucks each.
with free shipping

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=baja+almanac+-diver+-di...

wilderone - 10-7-2017 at 06:48 PM

Wow $27 is the original price - and Buy it Now - go for it.

David K - 10-7-2017 at 09:32 PM

The north and south separate book Almanac is about 20 years old and was replaced in 2003 by a single book with all Baja plus the topographic maps were printed in multiple colors. 2003 was the best edition in my opinion.

In 2009 that issue was replaced with the last edition but the scale was reduced and the pages enlarged so all of Baja can be seen on fewer pages.

Of course, the 1997 Almanac 2-book edition is better than none!

[Edited on 10-8-2017 by David K]

Gscott - 10-7-2017 at 11:40 PM

When is the 2018 edition coming out?
David?

David K - 10-8-2017 at 08:43 AM

When is the 2018 edition coming out?
David?

ja ja ja

In 2019 maybe?

Believe me, we are working on that being a possibility! I welcome if anyone else is too or want to combine efforts.
This year, I am busy researching and writing the road log guidebook for Baja Bound Insurance. I am leaving soon for another week of research. There is so much work and I have not even begun to make maps for it! I hope it will be all done for the holidays this year!

chrishaynesusa - 10-8-2017 at 01:19 PM

and now they are gone......

PaulW - 10-8-2017 at 01:38 PM

There will be a large market for a newly printed V even if it was the same as the old version with no updates.

Gscott - 10-9-2017 at 04:53 AM

When is the 2018 edition coming out?
David?

ja ja ja

In 2019 maybe?

Believe me, we are working on that being a possibility! I welcome if anyone else is too or want to combine efforts.

That would be great! I think it's odd a company like Benchmark Maps doesn't make a Baja atlas, but instead only this independent effort. I wonder if they could be brought in, I love their atlases and they focus on the west. Might be a fit. I guess there's not enough demand. Though this isn't the first time the almanac has gone out of print and demand and prices have gone up.

Hopefully a new edition will come along...

David K - 10-20-2017 at 05:34 PM

I have received my print job back from the printer today.
I have 6 sets of the 1998 Baja Almanacs(Norte and Sur) available for purchase.

They are only posted here on the Nomad forum currently.

I am asking 100 dollars a set plus shipping.
I will not break the sets up. I am not looking to make a killing here , just to recoup my cost for printing and doing all of the leg work.

These are currently not available and the cost on eBay is crazy.
Send me a pm with your address and a request for my paypal account if you are interested.

Moderators: if this violates any protocols on this Forum I will delete this post.

[Edited on 10-20-2017 by chrishaynesusa]

There is actually a series of classified ad forums here, this one is for anything that doesn't fit in the others: http://forums.bajanomad.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=9

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2017 at 05:40 PM

Forum protocols are least of your worries. Copyright law is what you should worry about. Selling photocopies of protected work is against the law. Just saying!
That’s why eBay prices are high - because it’s illegal to make and sell copies!

chrishaynesusa - 10-20-2017 at 05:45 PM

and if the copyright holder was alive they might still be in print.

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2017 at 05:58 PM

and if the copyright holder was alive they might still be in print.

The estate or heir may rightfully disagree with your contention that authors death makes work public domain.

David K - 10-20-2017 at 06:10 PM

Goat, he is selling copies of an expired and replaced edition... actually two editions past.

The 1997-ish Norte and Sur editions were replaced with a full color, all in one book, edition, in 2003.

That one was replaced by a totally re-sized 2009 edition... the FINAL edition by Landon Crumpton.

Not saying it is okay to copy 20-year-old books, but if the author/publisher has replaced it (twice) with newer editions and has not sold the 20-year-old one since it went out of print, maybe in 2001... it could be more of a compliment to his old work that it is still in such demand.

Keep in mind also that Landon did not 'draw' these maps... they are from the government. His efforts were to copy them and put them into book form along with adding some names and mileages, etc. to make them 'his' maps.

Chris could add some notation, update, or correction and those maps then become his... just like Landon did.

[Edited on 3-6-2018 by David K]

KurtG - 10-20-2017 at 06:35 PM

Goat, he is selling copies of an expired and replaced edition... actually two editions past.

The 1997-ish Norte and Sur editions were replaced with a full color, all in one book, edition, in 2003.

That one was replaced by a totally re-sized 2009 edition... the FINAL edition by Landon Crumpton.

Not saying it is okay to copy 20-year-old books, but if the author/publisher has replaced it (twice) with newer editions and has not sold the 20-year-old one since it went out of print, maybe in 2001... it could be more of a compliment to his old work that it is still in such demand.

Keep in mind also that Lando did not 'draw' these maps... they are from the government. His efforts were to copy them and put them into book form along with adding some names and mileages, etc. to make them 'his' maps.

Chris could add some notation, update, or correction and those maps then become his... just like Landon did.

[Edited on 10-21-2017 by David K]

David, I think you are giving bad advice. The following gives a basic outline of length of copyrights. While the individual is gone, Baja Almanac Publishers is an active Nevada Corp. according to a Nevada state website. Whoever controls that corp. still holds the copyrights and can enforce them. I want to be clear that I am not a lawyer and am not offering legal advice. Doing so can come back to bite one in the tush.

"How Long Does Copyright Protection Last? (FAQ) | U.S. Copyright Office
https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-duration.html
The term of copyright for a particular work depends on several factors, including whether it has been published, and, if so, the date of first publication. As a general rule, for works created after January 1, 1978, copyright protection lasts for the life of the author plus an additional 70 years."

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2017 at 07:02 PM

I Don’t think you should give up your day job to practice law....

As a “published author” (sic), perhaps you should learn about copyright. I hear that some Authors actually find the law to be useful :light:

chrishaynesusa - 10-20-2017 at 07:02 PM

I am not in the business of selling copyrighted material.

I made 6 extra sets, never to be made again.

I offered them to aficionados of Baja where I thought they would be welcomed.

Since they are not and a few here have become pedantic I will withdraw my offer.

I will still offer gas and tire repair should I meet you off the side of the highway in Baja(I may withhold my Margaritas however).

mtgoat666 - 10-20-2017 at 07:06 PM

Goat, he is selling copies of an expired and replaced edition... actually two editions past.

Chris could add some notation, update, or correction and those maps then become his... just like Landon did.

[Edited on 10-21-2017 by David K]

Dk,
Using your logic, I can sell pirated copies of the movie Jurassic park, by making a few edits, especially since the original movie got replaced by a sequel, eh?
:lol:

KurtG - 10-20-2017 at 07:24 PM