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Camalu Police Killing

Patrick21 - 7-9-2017 at 09:20 AM

Anyone know any specifics about the attack on the police station in Camalu?

Lee - 7-9-2017 at 11:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Patrick21  
Anyone know any specifics about the attack on the police station in Camalu?


Another provocative 3rd hand fake news subject line? If you can't provide credible info, you're just trolling. Your call.

Howard - 7-9-2017 at 11:02 AM

What is wrong with asking a Baja related question on a Baja website?

chuckie - 7-9-2017 at 11:12 AM

Pretty well covered over on Talk Baja....Police Chief shot dead, 1 officer wounded...Inside police station...People on this site don't like to see anything negative, even if true....Its called "Denial".....fade to fish pics.....

rts551 - 7-9-2017 at 11:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by Patrick21  
Anyone know any specifics about the attack on the police station in Camalu?


Another provocative 3rd hand fake news subject line? If you can't provide credible info, you're just trolling. Your call.

Is this credible enough for you?

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=49741

JoeJustJoe - 7-9-2017 at 11:52 AM

I don't know about anybody else but I think when newbies come to a site and starts in their first postings to engage in controversial stories, opinions, rumors, that are or seem over-the-top, the bells and whistles go off,.......at least with me anyway.

This is just another reason why I ignore newbies unless they have 100 posts, so they at least have a tract record.

Why engage with someone who might be posting under a different handle, trolling, or is posting with an agenda like fear mongering.

The Newbie, obviously got this story from another Baja site, and he should start there for additional news, or he could google MX, and find out what he needs to know.

Zeta covered this story too: ( here is the google translation)

Are you scared yet?

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From Zeta:

Assailants kills commander of Camalú and wound another agent


The commander of the Camalú delegation in Ensenada, Antonio García, was killed by a man who entered the police station with a long gun and shot him several times. The assailant also injured agent Nacoa Gutierrez, who was transferred to an emergency hospital.

Unofficial data indicates that the attacker arrived in a compact vehicle with three other people on the afternoon of Friday, July 7, but no arrests have been reported so far.

The Office of the Attorney General of the State (PGJE) was in charge of the investigation. This is the second attempt against police command in the south of the municipality so far this year.

It is estimated that the number of deaths at the hands of organized crime reaches 56, including collateral victims.



http://zetatijuana.com/2017/07/07/dos-agentes-heridos-en-ata...

bajaguy - 7-9-2017 at 12:11 PM

Couple of guys, one with a 7.62-39 (probably an AK) and one with a .40 caliber pistol (verified by shell casings at the scene) walked into the police station and killed the comandante and wounded another officer. Possible vehicle located abandoned in the area. Still looking for four possible suspects (two shooters and two in the vehicle)
Quote: Originally posted by Patrick21  
Anyone know any specifics about the attack on the police station in Camalu?

JoeJustJoe - 7-9-2017 at 12:43 PM

Link or source please.

I ask because when the articles were just coming out, they didn't even know the type of weapons that were used, although they did mention a long gun, they said nothing about the usual "goat horns," Spanish slang for AK-47.

From one of the articles:

"The number of men who perpetrated the attack and what type of weapons are unknown."


Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Couple of guys, one with a 7.62-39 (probably an AK) and one with a .40 caliber pistol (verified by shell casings at the scene) walked into the police station and killed the comandante and wounded another officer. Possible vehicle located abandoned in the area. Still looking for four possible suspects (two shooters and two in the vehicle)

Quote: Originally posted by Patrick21  
Anyone know any specifics about the attack on the police station in Camalu?

aguachico - 7-9-2017 at 02:28 PM

Sanchos matan el murido. money or sex. go figure.

bajaguy - 7-9-2017 at 04:46 PM

http://www.elvigia.net/general/2017/7/9/investiga-pgje-ataqu...

http://www.ensenada.net/noticias/nota.php?id=49749
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Link or source please.

I ask because when the articles were just coming out, they didn't even know the type of weapons that were used, although they did mention a long gun, they said nothing about the usual "goat horns," Spanish slang for AK-47.



[Edited on 7-9-2017 by bajaguy]

bajaguy - 7-9-2017 at 04:52 PM

Plata o Plomo....second Ensenada Municipal Police Commander within a couple of months....coincidence???....I think not
Quote: Originally posted by aguachico  
Sanchos matan el murido. money or sex. go figure.

aguachico - 7-9-2017 at 05:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Plata o Plomo....second Ensenada Municipal Police Commander within a couple of months....coincidence???....I think not

Quote: Originally posted by aguachico  
Sanchos matan el murido. money or sex. go figure.


Bajaguy;

Calamu is such a small town. it's too easy to coop with the local cartel. I have learned a lot in the past 7 years - protecting the cartel is like protecting family as they do more for the barrio than DF will ever do.
Nieto, he's a gangster.

Camalu was set to be a trading port, think that fell thru.

When it comes to la mujer, all economic barriers implode. Having a lot of money does not solve your p u ss y problems, I bet a beer that el jefe was into some booty that cost him his life.

SFandH - 7-9-2017 at 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  

Plata o Plomo....


That is the deal isn't it?

Mexico is a tough place to be a good cop.

BajaBlanca - 7-9-2017 at 05:24 PM

I have also heard that they do so much for the barrio that they are missed when they are gone. What a nightmare this creates.

SFandH - 7-9-2017 at 05:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
I have also heard that they do so much for the barrio that they are missed when they are gone. What a nightmare this creates.


I've read that one of the reasons, perhaps the biggest, that Calderon went after the cartels in 2006 was that the narco leaders were so popular because of their "generosity" that people were electing them to local political offices, especially in Michoacan, Calderon's home state. That was too much for Calderon and caused him to pull the trigger, so to speak.

Alm - 7-9-2017 at 05:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  

Why engage with someone who might be posting under a different handle, trolling, or is posting with an agenda like fear mongering.

The Newbie, obviously got this story from another Baja site, and he should start there for additional news, or he could google MX, and find out what he needs to know.

Yes, and yes. Hard to believe that this is an honest quest for the truth - whatever the truth is, in Mexico. I've seen my fare share of "all kinds" here, including trolls and/or mentally unstable. There is somebody every week.

aguachico - 7-9-2017 at 06:02 PM

City narcos and poor camalu narcos are not the same. Lets not confuse the two groups.

I have met sicaros that most gringo moms would introduce to their their daughters. Forget everything you read or watch on TV.

Just remember the tiny old man sitting in the corner of the restaurant may seem nice and harmless. He will sell your bloated cheesy gringo corpse to the highest bidder, which comes around 2000 pesos if they want your property.

stay in margaritaville. stay out of Mexican politics

chuckie - 7-10-2017 at 03:50 AM

Thank you for your input and diagnosis, Lee !Three more bodies dumped in the Sunrock Condo Hotel in Cabo Yesterday...Check it out for me would ya? (TB)

JZ - 7-10-2017 at 10:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Pretty well covered over on Talk Baja....Police Chief shot dead, 1 officer wounded...Inside police station...People on this site don't like to see anything negative, even if true....Its called "Denial".....fade to fish pics.....


Stay in Kansas. Not even sure why you are here.

Lee - 7-10-2017 at 10:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Thank you for your input and diagnosis, Lee !Three more bodies dumped in the Sunrock Condo Hotel in Cabo Yesterday...Check it out for me would ya? (TB)


No links? Fake news. Why don't you check it out -- I'll hold your hand if you'd like? Bodies don't bother me as long as it's not in my neighborhood. Have a day.

chuckie - 7-10-2017 at 10:17 AM

Sorry you are so helpless, but I am not your babysitter....I told you where to go to find out...And they are in your neighborhood....

JoeJustJoe - 7-10-2017 at 10:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
I have also heard that they do so much for the barrio that they are missed when they are gone. What a nightmare this creates.


I've read that one of the reasons, perhaps the biggest, that Calderon went after the cartels in 2006 was that the narco leaders were so popular because of their "generosity" that people were electing them to local political offices, especially in Michoacan, Calderon's home state. That was too much for Calderon and caused him to pull the trigger, so to speak.


Where did you read Calderon, went after the cerels in 2006 because the narco leaders were so popular?Alex Jones, "Inforwars" perhaps?

Well, Calderon's home state was certainly ground zero against the Mexican cartels, I doubt that's the real reason why Calderon declare war on the cartels.

I think it's the same tired reason why Nixon declared "war on drug" it's a ultraconservative argument, or in the case in Mexico, Neoliberalism, free markets, multinationals, cracking heads, mass jailing, cutting off the head of the snakes, and thinking killing or jailing a drug kingpin will win the war on drug, as well as other old and tired methods to fight the flow of drugs.

How about "Plan Mexico" and Plan Columbia, and the shared solution, between Mexico and the USA where millions flow to Mexico, and Mexican politicians, so they could buy nice expensive toys like helicopters, to fight the drug war, where all that money returns to the US defense corporations, while the endless drug war continues.

Plan Columbia, didn't work very well in Columbia, and only helped shift the problem to Mexico. Damn America!

As long as Americans have an insatiable appetite for drugs, and the US provides most of weapons to Mexico, the Mexican drug cartels, will continue falling all over themselves to serve the junkies in the USA, because many Americans, need to numb themselves to live and work in the US.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-10-2017 at 10:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
I have also heard that they do so much for the barrio that they are missed when they are gone. What a nightmare this creates.


I've read that one of the reasons, perhaps the biggest, that Calderon went after the cartels in 2006 was that the narco leaders were so popular because of their "generosity" that people were electing them to local political offices, especially in Michoacan, Calderon's home state. That was too much for Calderon and caused him to pull the trigger, so to speak.


Where did you read Calderon, went after the cerels in 2006 because the narco leaders were so popular?Alex Jones, "Inforwars" perhaps?

Well, Calderon's home state was certainly ground zero against the Mexican cartels, I doubt that's the real reason why Calderon declare war on the cartels.

I think it's the same tired reason why Nixon declared "war on drug" it's a ultraconservative argument, or in the case in Mexico, Neoliberalism, free markets, multinationals, cracking heads, mass jailing, cutting off the head of the snakes, and thinking killing or jailing a drug kingpin will win the war on drug, as well as other old and tired methods to fight the flow of drugs.

How about "Plan Mexico" and Plan Columbia, and the shared solution, between Mexico and the USA where millions flow to Mexico, and Mexican politicians, so they could buy nice expensive toys like helicopters, to fight the drug war, where all that money returns to the US defense corporations, while the endless drug war continues.

Plan Columbia, didn't work very well in Columbia, and only helped shift the problem to Mexico. Damn America!

As long as Americans have an insatiable appetite for drugs, and the US provides most of weapons to Mexico, the Mexican drug cartels, will continue falling all over themselves to serve the junkies in the USA, because many Americans, need to numb themselves to live and work in the US.





JIHAD-JOE AND HIS MANY FAKE NEWS STORIES!

Wounded officer dies

bajaguy - 7-10-2017 at 07:49 PM

The officer in the attack who was wounded has died

woody with a view - 7-11-2017 at 04:54 AM

Poor bastards! They never caughts the a-holes who shot up El Rosario 100' from the cop shop, either.

chuckie - 7-11-2017 at 05:13 AM

I sent Antonio some Body Armor a while back...Hope they don't ever need it...

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-11-2017 at 10:30 AM

I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the act.

Bubba - 7-11-2017 at 11:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the act.


I'm all for it, wish the U.S. would do the same thing.

David K - 7-11-2017 at 11:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
I sent Antonio some Body Armor a while back...Hope they don't ever need it...


Thank you for doing that!

Boulder bob222 - 7-11-2017 at 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the act.


LEY DE FUGA works for me, it saves time and money.

JoeJustJoe - 7-11-2017 at 11:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the act.


I'm all for it, wish the U.S. would do the same thing.


The death penalty does nothing to deter crime and shootings, and besides it's against the long tradition and teachings of the Catholic church. Mexico, is Catholic country that believes in redemption, forgiveness, and turning away from past evil ways.

But I would be for the death penalty in the US, if it was used against pig racist rogue cops who kill young blacks with impunity in the US, and rarely are brought to justice for their crimes of murder.

In Mexico, cops have a bad reputation for corruption and taking bribes, but at least they are not known to shoot innocent minorities they stop for minor traffic infractions , and then often the US rogue cops escalate a traffic stop into murder of unarmed dark-skinned motorists.

Oh yeah, Mexican military, and police, is sometimes known to torture suspects, which is very wrong, but probably supported by the pro-torture crowds.

ELINVESTIG8R - 7-11-2017 at 12:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the act.


I'm all for it, wish the U.S. would do the same thing.


The death penalty does nothing to deter crime and shootings, and besides it's against the long tradition and teachings of the Catholic church. Mexico, is Catholic country that believes in redemption, forgiveness, and turning away from past evil ways.

But I would be for the death penalty in the US, if it was used against pig racist rogue cops who kill young blacks with impunity in the US, and rarely are brought to justice for their crimes of murder.

In Mexico, cops have a bad reputation for corruption and taking bribes, but at least they are not known to shoot innocent minorities they stop for minor traffic infractions , and then often the US rogue cops escalate a traffic stop into murder of unarmed dark-skinned motorists.

Oh yeah, Mexican military, and police, is sometimes known to torture suspects, which is very wrong, but probably supported by the pro-torture crowds.



Here we go again! Jihad-Joe the Lebanese Arab spouting off his clueless posts spreading fake news as usual.

SFandH - 7-11-2017 at 12:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ELINVESTIG8R  
I hope México passes a death penalty law for cop killers. That includes death to the person sending in the cop killer and the cop killer themselves. It may not totally stop cop murders, but it may give them pause before committing the act.


er, um, you have to find, arrest, try, and convict the killers first.

Mexico doesn't do very well with any of that.



[Edited on 7-11-2017 by SFandH]

gnukid - 7-11-2017 at 12:17 PM

I'm not sure I understand the infatuation with posting about murder. Each day there are many murders reported in Baja and BCS. There are also of course unreported incidents or those events that receive delayed coverage. There are armed robberies, breakins, assaults, shots can heard fired every night and into the morning, cars and boats are stolen in every city all day and night. Massive corruption exists apparently with coordination from various sources. Rarely is a suspect arrested and even more rarely is one prosecuted to be incarcerated. If you are interested subscribe to all the online papers and subscribe to all live reports often provided on Facebook and you'll get the gist real fast. It has come to the point where shots fired from speeding vehicles is not something that causes even a glance from most people.

What is irritating is that a beginner security specialist can easily gather information to identify the culprits and locate them. Baja/BCS is generally made of two lane roads that can easily be monitored with cameras and each case can easily be resolved. Yet resolution rarely occurs. The entire security system is setup to fail.

10 boy scouts posted up and down the peninsula with remote cameras and basic evidence gathering tools could easily provide evidence to breakdown this cabal showing the payoffs, meet ups, and identify the players but that won't happen because all the parties involved including US influencers want en unstable Mexico and criminal traffic route through Baja.

But if you like the wild west here you have it!

[Edited on 7-11-2017 by gnukid]

chuckie - 7-11-2017 at 03:32 PM

Thank you for telling most of us what we already know. Now go fix it please....Sounds easy...Go do it...

bajaguy - 7-11-2017 at 04:11 PM

Sounds like it's time for Blackwater

chuckie - 7-11-2017 at 04:31 PM

NO! Mexican business...Not ours...

gnukid - 7-11-2017 at 04:33 PM

To pursue a crime you must have video/photo evidence, two witnesses, a demanda filed with the MP noting the item stolen with the original receipt. Then you have to pursue it and get the MP in charge of the investigation to pursue the thief and get a judge to sign an orden de cateo, they are likely unwilling. You probably have to buy your item your item back and then is it still stolen? I have done my fair share to fix crime, it's not very fun. And I've been ridiculed here for doing so. I have not enjoyed seeing sicarios shoot someone right in front of me or encountering a dead body on the road but no one will come to investigate. Or witnessing home/car breakins and the police never show. So Why do you post occasional murder reports and then argue about it? When in reality there are multiple murders everyday in every region and worse? It is not hard to fight crime if people would be more realistic and capture the video/photo and make reports and share those but they won't do it. And if they do they will ridiculed here for doing so.

bajabuddha - 7-11-2017 at 04:41 PM

True on all counts gnukid. I did a stint trying to wake folks up to the crapola going on in Concepcion years back, only to be brow-beaten for bringing up 'unwanted news'... but public awareness is important, both in prevention and cure. I learned two things: it's Mexico, and you can't fix Mexico. #2, you can't fix stupid either. Not Mexico, but ostriches.

chuckie - 7-11-2017 at 04:47 PM

Gnukid? No chit...

norte - 7-11-2017 at 04:56 PM

Oh come on you guys. You already know the answer. There are many Americans that do not want the true story told because either they are making money off of tourists or land, they own property and are worried about heir property values, or they have to justify in their own mind their play time in Baja.

chuckie - 7-11-2017 at 04:59 PM

That's what I been sayin, Norte...

gnukid - 7-11-2017 at 06:00 PM

I have had success by developing a relationship with specific agencies and the dispatchers, on occasion police have arrived in less than a minute though if there is a higher figure who doesn't want action it won't happen or the bad guys are picked up and dropped off around the block since there is not much money to be gained picking up a crook before he commits the crime, that is until you bring so much attention there are forced to take action. Actually in consideration of how bad it is, many agencies and the people involved mean well and are trying and would act if allowed. The problem apparently is the top down corruption which is based in the USA and Globally who run the cartels. As noted previously Obama and Holder, who was guilty of obstruction, met with cartels, fueled, funded and armed the cartel crime with their police of Fast and Furious gun running.

At this point, there is no way the violence and trafficking could continue up and down the peninsula without 100% support for trafficking arms and munitions and laundering of money supported by mass air, sea, and shipping by the USA government.

Time to get real. This violence is being perpetrated on purpose top down to destabilize the region and provoke support for more USA government and Military Industrial Complex funding, profit and control.

Cameras and evidence by individuals is key to identifying all the perps and sharing that info broadly is the key to changing the situation. Cue...

chuckie - 7-11-2017 at 06:17 PM

Same old song...