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US citizen killed in crossfire of Tijuana shootout

mtgoat666 - 11-1-2017 at 10:54 AM

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-califor...

aguachico - 11-1-2017 at 11:47 AM

Wow that sucks. Guy sounded like good guy.
RIP

nandopedal - 11-2-2017 at 07:24 AM

Camino verde, La Presa, San Antonio de los buenos, Cerro colorado, Guaycura, Rosarito, Lomas del Valle to name a few, best to steer clear off of them, specially once the sun goes down!

Hook - 11-2-2017 at 08:11 AM

Remember when 500 murders in a year, sounded like a lot? That was the figure always tossed about, in relation to Chicago. Though, actually, Chicago's number of murders has been dropping since the highs in the early 1990s.

TJ will probably top out at around 1800 this year, for a population that is about a third of the Chicago metropolitan area. About six per day.

JoeJustJoe - 11-2-2017 at 08:25 AM

Yeah, really, Camino Verde, where the American victim, was allegedly killed in a some type of collateral crossfire, is a poor crime ridden neighborhood, and according to at least one local newspaper, the Camino Verde, area of Tijuana, has the inglorious title of the most dangerous neighborhood in the city!

So I would hardly call, Larry Macy, an innocent tourist, who randomly went into this restaurant, clueless about this dangerous part of town.

What was the victim doing in that part of town in the first place?

So I'm not exactly buying the story, about the victim, being a random victim to cartel, or criminal gang crossfire.

I think there is more to this story.
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From the "CSMonitor."

As Tijuana garnered a reputation as one of the most violent places in the world, Camino Verde held the inglorious title of the most dangerous neighborhood in the city.


https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/2016/060...

ILikeMex - 11-2-2017 at 08:55 AM

what a dick, blame the victum

mtgoat666 - 11-2-2017 at 09:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Yeah, really, Camino Verde, where the American victim, was allegedly killed in a some type of collateral crossfire, is a poor crime ridden neighborhood, and according to at least one local newspaper, the Camino Verde, area of Tijuana, has the inglorious title of the most dangerous neighborhood in the city!

So I would hardly call, Larry Macy, an innocent tourist, who randomly went into this restaurant, clueless about this dangerous part of town.

What was the victim doing in that part of town in the first place?

So I'm not exactly buying the story, about the victim, being a random victim to cartel, or criminal gang crossfire.

I think there is more to this story.
___________

From the "CSMonitor."

As Tijuana garnered a reputation as one of the most violent places in the world, Camino Verde held the inglorious title of the most dangerous neighborhood in the city.


https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/2016/060...


The article you posted says the neighborhood has recovered, in 2016 violence had dropped 85% since 2010.
Your article says the neighborhood is recovering, and has good things going on.
Joe, read before you post!

JoeJustJoe - 11-2-2017 at 09:20 AM

Well, I'm actually wondering about Larry Macy's, young Mexican, fiance Rigoberto, who should have known better to go to this restaurant.

From what I know about Mexican news sources like from the "San Diego" Tribune, is they rarely if ever do their own investigative reporting, and usually depend of Mexican news sources.

It seems all the information about Larry Macy's, death, is coming from the young, Rigo,who is giving the information to Macy's brother.

If anything the Mexican Police, should be questioning Rigo, because many of these type of relationships, between an American old man, and young Mexican women, are problematic to say the least in Mexico, and I would say the potential problems are double between an Older gay American man, and his young Mexican gay lover, in my humble opinion.

It could very well be a random killing, and Rigo, is all broken up, about the death of his fiance, Larry. But I still would like to question Rigo, and see the estate money trail, but that's just me.

Larry and Rigoberto, in happier days:



Another article with more details:

His family, The San Diego LGBT community and the Imperial Court System are mourning the tragic loss of community member Larry Macy.

Reports earlier this week came in from local leaders, friends, and family which said that Macy was killed by gunfire at a Tijuana restaurant.

Jerry Macy, the victim's brother, spoke to San Diego Gay and Lesbian News about his brother's commitment to serving the LGBT community and what happened according to Larry's fiance Rigoberto, or Rigo, who was also there.

News reports coming out of a Tijuana newspaper confirm there was a shooting on that day, Saturday, October 21, however they fail to give names of the victims.

Rigo was able to take cover, but Macy was struck and killed by a stray bullet. Three others were also reported killed and as many were injured.

Jerry Macy says that he is getting eyewitness accounts from Rigo. English is not Rigo's first language so he explained what happened to Tijuana friend and interpreter Georgio who in turn relayed that information to the victim's brother, "Georgio is an American expat and he speaks Spanish and English very well so he’s been our information flow."

http://sdgln.com/news/2017/10/26/community-member-larry-macy...

Hook - 11-2-2017 at 09:22 AM

Cognitive skills are valuable on a message board, Joe.

JoeJustJoe - 11-2-2017 at 09:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  
Remember when 500 murders in a year, sounded like a lot? That was the figure always tossed about, in relation to Chicago. Though, actually, Chicago's number of murders has been dropping since the highs in the early 1990s.

TJ will probably top out at around 1800 this year, for a population that is about a third of the Chicago metropolitan area. About six per day.


Oh you're scaring me, Hook, you really think 1800 murders this year in Tijuana?

Oh wait, aren't about 90% of all those homicides cartel related, because the Mexicans cartels are falling all over themselves trying to serve the American Market, because many Americans have an insatiable appetite for drugs. So the Mexicans cartels are busy trying to eliminate the competition.

I wouldn't be scared in Chicago either, because most of those homicides are also gang related, and happen in the very worst neighborhoods in Chicago.

When there is a murder of an American in Mexico, they are almost always involved in the drug trade, or some type of vice that takes them to dangerous areas of Mexico.

[Edited on 11-2-2017 by JoeJustJoe]

JoeJustJoe - 11-3-2017 at 09:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Yeah, really, Camino Verde, where the American victim, was allegedly killed in a some type of collateral crossfire, is a poor crime ridden neighborhood, and according to at least one local newspaper, the Camino Verde, area of Tijuana, has the inglorious title of the most dangerous neighborhood in the city!

So I would hardly call, Larry Macy, an innocent tourist, who randomly went into this restaurant, clueless about this dangerous part of town.

What was the victim doing in that part of town in the first place?

So I'm not exactly buying the story, about the victim, being a random victim to cartel, or criminal gang crossfire.

I think there is more to this story.
___________

From the "CSMonitor."

As Tijuana garnered a reputation as one of the most violent places in the world, Camino Verde held the inglorious title of the most dangerous neighborhood in the city.


https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Making-a-difference/2016/060...


The article you posted says the neighborhood has recovered, in 2016 violence had dropped 85% since 2010.
Your article says the neighborhood is recovering, and has good things going on.
Joe, read before you post!


Lets just say I'm a little suspicious of the claim, that a notorious narco and poor Mexican neighborhood, has transformed itself from a crime ridden part or town, known to be the most dangerous area of Tijuana, to a now safe part of town, thanks to the " La Granja" ( the Farm) which is a place brimming with arts and artists, although I do commend the effort.

However, according to other articles, this place, " Camino Verde," is still considers a very bad area of Tijuana.

I also predicted once the BN members, found out the American victim Larry Macy, was gay, and had a young Mexican gay lover, the interest in this thread would dry up.

I have no problem with the victims sexual orientation, except to say, those kind of relationships with great age differences often lead to trouble in Mexico.

From the article:

The “bunker” houses the Torolab project known as La Granja Transfronteriza, or La Granja (The Farm) for short – a place brimming with the arts and more that draws community members of all ages.