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New U.S. travel advisory recommends "caution" to Baja California visitors

GypsyJan - 1-10-2018 at 06:53 PM

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-califor...

4x4abc - 1-10-2018 at 07:55 PM

good! I like it quiet

There you go!

GypsyJan - 1-10-2018 at 07:59 PM

:))

StuckSucks - 1-10-2018 at 08:43 PM

Every morning in SoCal, I hear about a half-dozen murders, hit-and-runs, and assaults where people die. Tell me again why I need to be concerned about Baja?

willardguy - 1-10-2018 at 09:01 PM

its a recommendation to be cautious, no need to get defensive folks:rolleyes:

JZ - 1-10-2018 at 09:44 PM

Cue that dude from Kansas who never goes to Baja to come in here all excited, hoping this dissuades others from living it up there.










P.s., I'll be there tomorrow while you are counting corn stalks, Kansas.


Be Afraid ..................

MrBillM - 1-10-2018 at 09:53 PM

Be very afraid ?

THEY are going to get you !

Does anybody actually pay attention to these State Department warnings ?

They're like the PSAs aimed at those who just ignore them and act stupid, anyway.

Cleaning up (to a tiny degree) the gene pool.

The third-world will always be a dangerous place.

Along with a lot of domestic urban environments.

It's safest to assume that every stranger is up to no good until you know different.

Better yet, if you can, stay home.

Order everything needed online. Groceries included.

Let the delivery guys leave before you go outside to pick up the packages.

Watch the Travel Channel and Nat Geo to see all the places you're better off staying away from.

Be safe.

bajabuddha - 1-10-2018 at 10:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Cue that dude from Kansas who never goes to Baja to come in here all excited, hoping this dissuades others from living it up there.










P.s., I'll be there tomorrow while you are counting corn stalks, Kansas.



Grow up, little man. Either let yer kids be teens, or go play with your boy-toys; you can't do both. :fire:

How come you gotta flame somebody ahead of time? Do you realize what a bozo you present yourself as? Do you have a hard-on for said prairie dweller? Sure seems like it, Jizzy BOY.

Bajaboy - 1-11-2018 at 08:34 AM

Went to Culican, Sinaloa just before Christmas. Had a blast and never once felt in danger. But I did hear plenty of gun fire on New Years Eve in San Diego.

INTERESTING!

Boulder bob222 - 1-11-2018 at 09:42 AM

What were you doing in Culiacan?

Bajaboy - 1-11-2018 at 09:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Boulder bob222  
What were you doing in Culiacan?


A friend of mine owns Backstage Bar. We went down to see his band and check out the city. Went to a Tomateros game, ate incredible food, and met some wonderful people. I will go back for sure.

Mexico reports highest murder rate on record

blackwolfmt - 1-24-2018 at 05:09 PM

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mexico-reports-highest-...

SunDevil - 1-26-2018 at 05:42 PM

I don't understand why some people always think the worst will happen.

What happened to your sense of adventure?

Don't let the old fogies watching 24x7 news channels tell you how to live.

Paco Facullo - 1-26-2018 at 07:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SunDevil  
I don't understand why some people always think the worst will happen.

What happened to your sense of adventure?


Those are the people didn't have a sense of adventure in the first place....

( and they could very well be jealous of folks that do )
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BornFisher - 1-26-2018 at 08:17 PM

If the State Department doesn`t issue this warning, and some gringo gets it, some employe gets slapped on the hand. They are doing their job! Is there something wrong here?

Paco Facullo - 1-26-2018 at 09:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher  
They are doing their job! Is there something wrong here?

PaaaLeeezz, Don't get me started !!!!
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bajatrailrider - 1-30-2018 at 08:25 AM

The state department could first tell how to get out of Watts and Down Town L.A :)

chuckie - 1-30-2018 at 10:04 AM

Aint JZ (Jizzy) fun? What an oaf....!!! As it happens, I am not in the Great State of Kansas, for the time predictable..Jizzy does his best to keep track of me, kinda flattering really....State Dept warning is what it is....Except for Jizzy, we are adults, able to make up our own minds...

pacificobob - 1-30-2018 at 10:31 AM

thats it! i am organizing a caravan of high-end RVs heading north. we are grabbing our bug-out bags, MREs, and hauling a*s to the safety of 'merica. we will make a point to only refuel only at pemex stations known to provide FULL liters! wish us luck, we will need it!

blackwolfmt - 1-30-2018 at 10:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks  
Every morning in SoCal, I hear about a half-dozen murders, hit-and-runs, and assaults where people die. Tell me again why I need to be concerned about Baja?


Well I would be a little concerned being as the Cabo san lucas area MURDER rate tripled to 560 in 2017 tell your mom its a safe place to visit nothing to worry about no crime or bad guys go ahead Mom its as safe as can be:?:

[Edited on 1-30-2018 by blackwolfmt]

Domestic Travel Advisory

MrBillM - 1-30-2018 at 06:58 PM

For those prospective Watts tourists .......................

A - M - F.

Let a relative or friend know in advance.

So there's less delay in identifying the remains.

bajatrailrider - 1-31-2018 at 08:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
For those prospective Watts tourists .......................

A - M - F.

Let a relative or friend know in advance.

So there's less delay in identifying the remains.
JAAAAAAA good one:)

caj13 - 1-31-2018 at 09:45 AM

anyone actually interested in real numbers?

best i could find with a short search, was looking for the rates / 100,000, so we could get an accurate comparison.

over the past several years
In the USA, murder rate is about 5 / 100K
In Los Angeles 7 - 8 / 100K

In Baja
in 2016 - 33 / 100K
in 2017, thant jumps to 58/100K

statistically, you are 10X more likely to get murdered in Baja, than in the USA. 7X more likely to be murdered in Baja than in LA.

You can justify and ignore those numbers all you want, but if you are making the claim Baja is safer than???
do us a favor, do your research and present us with some actual numbers!
(BTW Oakland, Chicago, Baltimore, Detroit etc etc etc, all way lower rates than Baja)

Sources for data:
http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-violence-most-killings...

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Los-Angeles-California....

[Edited on 1-31-2018 by caj13]

Paco Facullo - 1-31-2018 at 10:08 AM

Yes, Be afraid be vary afraid !!!!!

Do sit at home in your easy chair and watch the news on your TV
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caj13 - 1-31-2018 at 10:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
Yes, Be afraid be vary afraid !!!!!

Do sit at home in your easy chair and watch the news on your TV
.....


Not quite, I visit Baja 3 - 4 times per year, and am actively looking to buy a place there. but in doing so, I figure why not be informed. You know, understand the actual risk, so i can make an informed decision!

as opposed to just listening to waves of uninformed emotionally charged drivel from various individuals, all of whom are trying to get an artificial pen*s inflation by trying to shout down anyone with a different opinion.

Venturing into the Unknown

MrBillM - 1-31-2018 at 10:44 AM

It seems inevitable that there will be attack and defense exchanges generated each time this "warning" business comes up and that apples/oranges dueling statistics are tossed about citing various U.S. inner-city ghettos which would not be tourism destinations other than for the most clueless and (likely) not even them.

Also inevitable is the nonsensical argument that the Department of State should warn citizens regarding those domestic danger zones.

Which, of course, ignores the FACT that said areas are covered extensively (and sensationally) ad nauseam by the news media.

One would think that the various advisories, cautions and warnings would be appreciated by all regardless of the destinations involved. IF they are researched by those who would be affected, the prospective traveler will simply have additional information to guide their decisions.

"Know Before You GO".

And, you're less likely to GO before your time.

BajaTed - 1-31-2018 at 11:07 AM

My Daddy taught me as a child on our trips to Baja that people come to Baja on both sides of the coin for REASONS.

Those that have traveled elsewhere and Baja extensively know the place is a world renowned paradox, it is what it is, amazing


caj13 - 1-31-2018 at 11:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
It seems inevitable that there will be attack and defense exchanges generated each time this "warning" business comes up and that apples/oranges dueling statistics are tossed about citing various U.S. inner-city ghettos which would not be tourism destinations other than for the most clueless and (likely) not even them.

Also inevitable is the nonsensical argument that the Department of State should warn citizens regarding those domestic danger zones.

Which, of course, ignores the FACT that said areas are covered extensively (and sensationally) ad nauseam by the news media.

One would think that the various advisories, cautions and warnings would be appreciated by all regardless of the destinations involved. IF they are researched by those who would be affected, the prospective traveler will simply have additional information to guide their decisions.

"Know Before You GO".

And, you're less likely to GO before your time.

Exactly right, the more you know, the better you can make a valid risk assessment. Accurate information is invaluable!

Mexitron - 1-31-2018 at 01:42 PM

Better numbers might be #tourists/100K. As I understand it many of the murders are cartel members doing each other in. Not unlike some of our inner city stats in the US.

Baja Tour Guide Opportunity ?

MrBillM - 1-31-2018 at 03:09 PM

Perhaps there's a market opening for a (Fodor's) "Favored Haunts of the Cartel" serving as a (don't GO) guide to Hotels, Restaurants, Discos, Beaches, etc. that Cartel members frequent.

Including an idea I ventured years ago (for U.S. cities) with maps broken down into "DefCon" kill zones.

Doing the research might be a little sticky, though.

Then, there's always the possibility that some Cartel bozo would break routine on his day to go and you'd find yourself at the table next to him.

GB saw a lot of that when the IRA was tossing Plastique around London, Belfast and elsewhere.

OOPS.