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Assistance for a foreigner in La Paz

Paco Facullo - 5-2-2018 at 03:52 AM

You might have luck starting a " Go Fund Me " page .

https://www.gofundme.com/medical-fundraising?pc=thrive_googl...

BajaBlanca - 5-2-2018 at 06:19 AM

I think you have come to the right place. The pain must be just awful. What a horrible infection.

BajaBlanca - 5-2-2018 at 06:31 AM

What is his nationality?

David K - 5-2-2018 at 08:35 AM

The comparison to Harald's leg injury (4x4abc) is pretty amazing (La Paz area German, docs wanted to amputate, loves dogs, etc.).

David K - 5-2-2018 at 09:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Veterinario La Paz  
Interesting to have such similarities indeed.
But "my" Germans name is not Harald, I do not know that one, only 3 Germans I'm aware of in La Paz, most foreign nationals I know are American and Canadians.




Thank you for your helping this person. I knew it wasn't Harald as he wasn't a scuba instructor (I don't think) but a 4WD (doble tración) tour guide and book author. Trying to help Harald raise hospital funds last year: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=87132

Another German in La Paz is also here on Nomad, Karl (fernwah).


4x4abc - 5-2-2018 at 10:47 AM

yes, I am in the same boat. Life sucks sometimes.

Thanks to donations from my friends around the world I was able to pay the greedy doctors in La Paz and my leg was saved. For now.
Thank you especially to some generous donations from board members of Baja Nomad.

4 surgeries and 10 months later I am still not walking. Meaning no income. A guide who can't walk is not a good guide.
So, I am in the process of reinventing myself. Will have to do something that agrees with my wheelchair.

Now, please go help that other poor fellow. Be kind whenever possible. It is always possible.



[Edited on 5-2-2018 by 4x4abc]

chippy - 5-2-2018 at 12:14 PM

Greedy La Paz doctors:?: What would that of cost a foreigner in Germany? USA? Count your blessings desagradecido.

charliemanson - 5-2-2018 at 02:11 PM

Greedy La Paz doctors:?: What would that of cost a foreigner in Germany? USA? Count your blessings desagradecido.


No schite! who would ever say that is ignorant. Normal yearly salary for a internal medical doc here is about 50K USD a year. Not that the doc he is seeing is IM but still. Thats less than a plumber makes in other countries. Geeesh, get a clue before opening up your keyboard.

Hope he gets better. soon

4x4abc - 5-2-2018 at 06:07 PM

is it true, that I am the only supporter of this poor fellow?

BajaBlanca - 5-3-2018 at 10:42 AM

Obviously, I don't know anything about your German, Maria, but shouldn't he really go to Germany? If we got enough money for a ticket and he got stabilized enough to travel, is this something he would do?

Harald, are German's eligible for free medical care in Germnay?

4x4abc - 5-3-2018 at 12:19 PM

a German is covered for health issues as long as he/she is part of the system. Meaning working, retired, unemployed (but has been working recently before). Expats like me and the gentleman in question are not covered by the social system, unless he/she continued to pay a private insurance carrier.

Even if the gentleman were covered in Germany it would not make much sense to move to Germany to continue treatment - it seems that he is in good hands.
His hardship stems from the chain of unfortunate events starting with his pulmonary embolism and a very expensive hospital and losing his ability to work. They are out of money and need help.

AKgringo - 5-3-2018 at 02:51 PM

I am prepared to help, but is there a way to send money without including my e-mail address?

TMW - 5-3-2018 at 04:01 PM

As I understand it your email is to keep you informed as to the progress being made of the funding and the individual.

Paco Facullo - 5-3-2018 at 06:01 PM

It's hard to believe that with such a sad situation that that poor Man has found himself in that the first "help fund me" didn't get any contributions ?

Maybe it's a case of herd mentality as no one wants to be the "only one" or first. So now that there are a few contributors hopefully many more will jump on the bandwagon, so to speak.

Most people don't realize just HOW FAST life can change...

Cancamo - 5-3-2018 at 06:50 PM

Hope $100 I sent helps this soul in need, it's what I can do for the moment. Looks like he needs about 9k.

Nomads are some good folk, keep this thread alive, they'll come around.

Paco Facullo - 5-3-2018 at 06:57 PM

Good on you Cancamo,

The MOST pressing concern was he was going to have his electricity shut off and now with your generous help that has been solved for the moment.

Every bit no matter how small helps Tremendously when you are broke.

rhintransit - 5-3-2018 at 07:58 PM

One more donor “in”
Okay, nomads...a man needs help here!

AKgringo - 5-5-2018 at 07:59 AM

Time for a bump....and a donation, I'm in!

TMW - 5-5-2018 at 03:56 PM

I think the problem of no one donating may be that no one on here knows him. When first posted I was waiting for Harald or Karl to comment especially since both are German and may have known him.

I hope he gets better and that more donations come in.

vjfamily - 5-6-2018 at 07:13 AM

Happy to help you "get back on your feet". So sorry CFE turned off your electricity. Good thing to postpone that final dive.

BajaBlanca - 5-6-2018 at 07:48 AM

It is wonderful that you wrote here Hubshraubear! Everything is going to get better. You will be in my prayers and God is grand.

As another suggestion for income: German classes online.

Best luck with getting that leg better really fast.

rhintransit - 5-6-2018 at 02:16 PM

Over 1500 views, and very few donations, the total stands at just over 500 US, and much of that was before this Baja Nomad post.
This is a big and caring community, I don’t understand. Even a few dollars would undoubtably make a big difference in this man’s life. Please consider making a donation, or if you can’t, god bless and maybe you could share the info with others who might?
I shared the Bajanomads post link today on LaPazGringosGroup, Facebook.
To donate, PayPal or whatever, https://www.youcaring.com/SaveLeg

[Edited on 5-6-2018 by rhintransit]

taoswheat - 5-6-2018 at 02:49 PM

I added $ to the pot today. Paypal made me use an echeck so it will take a few days to process. Good luck in all your problems.

KurtG - 5-6-2018 at 07:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rhintransit  
Over 1500 views, and very few donations, the total stands at just over 500 US, and much of that was before this Baja Nomad post.
This is a big and caring community, I don’t understand. Even a few dollars would undoubtably make a big difference in this man’s life. Please consider making a donation, or if you can’t, god bless and maybe you could share the info with others who might?
I shared the Bajanomads post link today on LaPazGringosGroup, Facebook.
To donate, PayPal or whatever, https://www.youcaring.com/SaveLeg

[Edited on 5-6-2018 by rhintransit]


I also would like to see more contributions but it appears you are under estimating nomad contributions in the past few days. Over $500 of the current contributions have been from members of this board. Perhaps you don't recognize the names since they may vary from user names here. You are correct that small contributions can add up quickly and I certainly hope to see more. I am fortunate that I have a good support network of family and friends should I ever need it but there are many good people who don't. A small misfortune or two can upend an otherwise stable life. I know I can't save the world but I can certainly kick in $20 here and there to those in need.

4x4abc - 5-6-2018 at 09:50 PM

It is like in politics - the "candidate" has to be likable. He has to have a full name. Pictures with grandkids and or dogs help tremendously.
Short story why you are getting homeless suffices.

There has to be cry for help. When you ask, people will help.

Throwing out pictures of rotting legs will scare people away.

Getting help has become an art.

Paco Facullo - 5-7-2018 at 12:12 PM

Guten tag herr Hubschraubear ,

Rice and beans ? Oh Man that's brutal .... I'm sure there is no beer budget and for a German that's sacrilege .....

So with that in mind, I am willing to donate again with the condition that it is spent solamente para a good meal and some beer .. ( not necessarily in that order )

Do we have a deal ?

healthdetective - 5-7-2018 at 03:27 PM

Hubschraubear

I don't know if you are interested but I have used ozone therapy to help many a patient keep their limbs as well as heal super fast.

While this device is not quite as potent as the one I used in my clinic it is still effective.

https://www.amazon.com.mx/Ozonizador-Desinfecta-Deodoriza-Po...

I am willing to pay for and ship this unit to you if you are interested.

Do your homework on ozone therapy and U2U me if interested

If you have more pressing needs I am happy to make a monetary donation instead

Don't quit,
Anthony


vjfamily - 5-7-2018 at 06:22 PM

So now you have a Nomad family, Ozone therpay is well repected. Also, better nutrtion, protein, a fresh vegetable daily perhaps an egg every day would be good also. Seems likely that Maria needs some essentials also. I will send $20 bucks next week. Use as you think best,
Hugs, your Buena Vista sister, Joanna

Mula - 5-8-2018 at 03:51 AM

There is at least 1 ozone therapy Dr. in La Paz. I went to him last year.

rhintransit - 5-9-2018 at 05:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hubschraubear  
This is harder/more difficult to do as we thought.
Is that somewhat better for starters?
https://www.youcaring.com/SaveLeg
We not done yet and try to provide as much info as possible without making it a long bloob to read.
Also with the images - we know they are gross and graphical and may shy people away. We try to thing of a solution.
Any feedback is welcome


You really really need to lose the photos of the leg. Maybe one healing shot...only

BajaBlanca - 5-9-2018 at 07:57 PM

I disagree. I think the photos of the leg show the severity.

Thanks for taking the time to answer us one by one.

4x4abc - 5-9-2018 at 09:00 PM

there are endless help pages on how to write a successful script for funding sites including picture selection. Google will show you everything you want to learn

Paco Facullo - 5-11-2018 at 09:11 AM

I like that you included a picture of yourself and one of you and your fiance .
It may be good to have one of you in a wheelchair , crutches or you struggling to walk ?

I would think the photos of you should be be up further in your photo sequence. Too many of the only the leg, people may not go far enough to see you.

vjfamily - 5-14-2018 at 12:06 PM

New photos are much appreciated, thanks for the updates. People up and down Baja are cheering for you.

KurtG - 5-14-2018 at 01:19 PM

Some very generous donations including one for $1000.00!

vjfamily - 5-21-2018 at 06:41 AM

Must be time for more bandages, we made a donation. Happy healing!!

rhintransit - 5-21-2018 at 08:19 PM

I ate well tonight, I am thankful for what I have, and glad to be able to make another donation.
Please fill the refrigerator again.

BajaBlanca - 6-1-2018 at 12:49 PM

hello the news is better. There is some light at the end of the tunnel!

I would like to be the facilitator for the payment of the electric and water bills. I will U2U you.

vjfamily - 6-1-2018 at 04:56 PM

So glad you are making progress. Good luck with the scar tissue removal.
Get more bandages, eat protein and veggies every day - happy healing. Someday when Les and Blanc are in La Paz we will all meet.
Also, please check yur u2u box.
Joanna

BajaBlanca - 6-2-2018 at 08:30 AM

Well well well! so nice to see a sense of humor, I sure hope the light is not a train!

Joanna, we shall be in La Paz in September when 2 of my scholarship students graduate. I would be wonderful to get together.

When the water and elec bills come, I will post the them here so we can pay them right away and not have power nor water turned off.

rhintransit - 6-8-2018 at 09:52 AM

Can you use compression stockings? I see a post of free ones on one of my Facebook groups. I will send contact info

rhintransit - 6-8-2018 at 11:00 AM

please u2u me your contact info so I can pass it along.
u2u is upper right hand corner, you can message me securely there.


Quote: Originally posted by Hubschraubear  
Quote: Originally posted by rhintransit  
Can you use compression stockings? I see a post of free ones on one of my Facebook groups. I will send contact info


Very much so - in fact we been shopping around for at least 1 above the knee, cheapest we find so far on Amazon Mexico is 1200,- pesos with 30 mmHg compression
I need to wait until healed in full and go to a medical supply place like medisur on Allende and try - if this is possible - one to find the right size.......

One of the weird things of this ordeal is that I have now 2 different sized feet / lower legs....
Please send info if you can as we no have Facebook accounts and some info can not be accessed without having one.



rhintransit - 6-14-2018 at 07:21 AM

I will have the stockings for you when I return to Baja later this month, can send them down on Baja Pack or whatever ??? I don’t know that they will work, as they are below knee but I’ve found ingenuity can be amazing.

Hope the rains aren’t too bad there, looks like Bud is lessening in strength.

I notice that the fund raising on the latest page is disappointingly low.
I’m adding a bit so you can stock the frig again. (We’ve never met, and I prefer “anonymous” on such webpages) Fellow nomads, can you spare a few dollars, too? Kindness to a stranger comes back in amazing ways.

BajaBlanca - 6-14-2018 at 09:58 AM

We just got our elec bill so I presume Hubshraubear will be getting his any day now too.

I think that dealing with that bill separately from the donations makes it a quicker "get it done" project.

BajaBlanca - 6-14-2018 at 10:28 AM

Oh I agree that bajapack is not an option. We should get the sox to someone who is coming south - another option is to get it to the restaurant at the turnoff to Punta Abreojos (make sure I am aware of when) and I will send it down to La Paz with one of my students, who will get it to you.

vjfamily - 6-14-2018 at 06:07 PM

Tomas, it is really easy to look up your CFE account on the CFE website. All you need is your account number. Check it out, comes in very handy when the paper bill is lost on the street.
I suggest patience regarding the compression socks . The socks are very difficult to put on your feet and legs. The skin on your foot and shin is “ new” and easily scratched or scrapped as the socks are pulled up.
Joanna

TMW - 6-15-2018 at 12:38 PM

There are gloves that help putting compression socks on. They grip the sock much better than your hands. I use them on my wife's compression socks.

TMW - 6-15-2018 at 12:47 PM

To get the right size sock his leg and foot need to be measured for the right fit.

rhintransit - 7-8-2018 at 06:29 PM

Regarding the compression stockings, my return to Loreto has been delayed but someone is holding some men’s 30-40mm (?) ones for me, When I get home, by the end of the week, I’ll check them and let you know any more info...size, etc...so you can check with your doctor to see if they will work. I do know they are below the knee, though.

TMW - 7-10-2018 at 11:37 AM

I've used both a wrap and now the compression socks on my wife's legs to help remove water buildup. They fit from the knee down. When I got the socks the medical store sold me a pair of gloves to help fit the sock. They have a course rubber on the palm side that grips the sock to smooth it out etc. It says Medi on the glove and is made by Medi GmbH & Co. KG out of Germany.

BajaBlanca - 7-10-2018 at 11:40 AM

How are the finances holding up?

BajaBlanca - 7-11-2018 at 08:10 PM

I am sure you will find the perfect new home with speedy internet!

How satisfying it must be to finally work again.


TMW - 7-22-2018 at 12:02 PM

This was in todays Sunday paper in Parade magazine. A compression sock with a zipper. Thought you might be interested.


vjfamily - 7-24-2018 at 01:32 PM

An early Happy Birthday to you.
Enjoy this birthday, be proud of all your hard work.
Photos will be wonderful!!!
Joanna

rhintransit - 7-24-2018 at 01:56 PM

Finally...the donated socks have arrived. Size medium, 35-40, below the knee. Will try to get some down to you in the next month or so (anyone headed to La Paz fromthe Loreto area who could take them earlier?). I don’t know if they will work for you, but worth a try.

Doubt you’ll want the polka dots? I have about ten pairs, so anyone else in need of compression socks get ahold of me...will be happy to put them to good use.

Am sending another donation today, have some ice cream with your cake. And a chicken, and more rice and beans, whatever. Happy Birthday, friend I’ve never met! May the year ahead be brighter than the last.

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BajaBlanca - 7-24-2018 at 06:43 PM

Happy birthday!!

rhintransit - 8-16-2018 at 07:45 AM


Nomads...the medical and thus financial issues for these two expats Hubschraubear and 4x4abc, are real and ongoing. If you can help at all, please consider doing so.

(H...see u2u)

4x4abc - 8-16-2018 at 11:55 AM

Thank you all for helping out!
With your donations I was not only able to buy the medication, but also managed to get a substantial discount.
Thank you!

Started treatment about a week ago and have already very good results.
It looks more and more likely that I will walk again.

https://www.gofundme.com/zabvh-help-me-please

charliemanson - 8-17-2018 at 12:48 PM

seriously, If I have this right you can drive a Mercedes Benz and pay for the maintenance it requires worth around 30 K and you are asking for help with money from people on a board... Something not right here.

Maybe people should be donating to a honest Mexican family instead of a guy driving a Benz that is too attached to his car over his leg.

I will bet the Benz has South Dakota plates and he never pays the 200 pesos a year to invest in the country he resides in or receives free medical care in...I may be wrong on this but it all makes sense.

:mad:

TMW - 8-17-2018 at 01:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
Thank you all for helping out!
With your donations I was not only able to buy the medication, but also managed to get a substantial discount.
Thank you!

Started treatment about a week ago and have already very good results.
It looks more and more likely that I will walk again.

https://www.gofundme.com/zabvh-help-me-please


Good news Harald. I look forward to another off road trip with you in the future.

TMW - 8-17-2018 at 01:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson  
seriously, If I have this right you can drive a Mercedes Benz and pay for the maintenance it requires worth around 30 K and you are asking for help with money from people on a board... Something not right here.

Maybe people should be donating to a honest Mexican family instead of a guy driving a Benz that is too attached to his car over his leg.

I will bet the Benz has South Dakota plates and he never pays the 200 pesos a year to invest in the country he resides in or receives free medical care in...I may be wrong on this but it all makes sense.

:mad:


Too bad you don't get to know someone before bad mouthing him.

BajaBlanca - 8-18-2018 at 04:39 PM

We shall be in La Paz for a couple days in September, perhaps we can get together then!

4x4abc - 8-18-2018 at 05:00 PM

great idea!

BajaBlanca - 8-24-2018 at 12:35 PM

as awful as it is to look at, your leg and foot really looks so much better! Keep positive and reach out, this is one big village we live in, when it comes right down to it.

BajaBlanca - 8-25-2018 at 08:47 AM

So, I have some ideas for you!

1. your foot will get better, as it already has, and your body will adjust to a different gait. no issue and infinitely easier than dealing with no leg. and even that can be overcome - there is a man on talk Baja who just lost his leg and he made it his mission to get back to Baja and go fishing. one can feel his passion in his effort. truly incredible.

2. you have to find a way to slowly but surely get some more income coming in. think outside the box! maybe you can create an organic spice garden and someone can sell at the farmer's market...something like that. minimal effort and a great return. What do you know that you could write a "how to" book about? Start a blog about how to live in La Paz for your compatriots who might be thinking of moving to La Paz. I am just throwing out ideas here!

3. your go fund me needs to be in Germany. see if there is something similar. write in German and get your other country on your side.

4. ask friends in Germany if they have any government contacts - in this life it sometimes really comes down to WHO YOU KNOW. 7 degrees of separation etc.

5. perhaps you have a journal? your life experience could become a book, could become a Hollywood movie, could become inspiration for others.

6. get that circulation going - look online for the exercises you need to do without any special equipment and do them every day.


Keep the spirit up, that is half the battle right there! the sun comes up every day. isn't that just phenomenal?


:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

BajaBlanca - 9-10-2018 at 07:28 PM

Sure wish Maria the best of luck, and I hope she doesn't lose her job but if she does, here's to her finding one that makes her even more $$$

BajaBlanca - 9-24-2018 at 02:14 PM

:o

BajaBlanca - 9-26-2018 at 07:12 PM

There is absolutely nothing I can do to help...sure wish I could.

I would like to meet girlfriend Maria - have her text me. I am free any time after 9 am tomorrow.

[Edited on 9-27-2018 by BajaBlanca]

I just met a girl named Maria (la la la la)

BajaBlanca - 10-1-2018 at 01:47 PM

I met Maria! So quiet, so soft-spoken and bright! I think we need to help her get a better job so that money issues are resolved for both of them, slowly but surely...

She speaks English and a little self-taught Japanese and by now perhaps some German?? (( forgot to ask) and would like to work in the tourism/hospitality business, which is what she studied.

Does anyone have a hotel connection? We need a Marriot or Hilton or something wonderful. Right now she is a night receptionist at a hotel. She is having a hard time finding a better job due to age discrimination, right off the bat the job ads ask for 20 - 29 year olds and she is already in her 30's.

Thinking caps everyone - we can even suggest jobs outside the box!







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John Harper - 10-2-2018 at 07:52 AM

So, you ARE a German citizen? Don't they have something like Social Security Disability (SSDI) compensation programs? Are you retired? No pension or Social Security/retirement available?

Can the German Consulate help, perhaps get you back to Germany where you can obtain some basic benefits and healthcare? With no assets and no income, what is the point of staying in Baja? How long can you realistically maintain this situation?

It just seems you should have some kind of services available as a German citizen. Germany is not a third world country, after all. Maybe I'm missing something about your plight. Did you have an income stream and a plan (and a contingency plan?) before moving to Baja? No reserves or an "escape" plan if things go south? My mom was German and she always had a plan. You can't expect "candy canes and unicorns" all the time. No German "Go Fund Me" page? No friends or family in Germany?

Seems like you should have got your ass back to Germany before you were flat broke. That's what "emergency" plans are for. Begging strangers for help isn't really a "plan."

I have a friend who has worked "under the table" and never paid into SS or Medicare. Not sure how he expects to survive much into old age. On taxpayer largess I assume? I never understood why someone would put themselves at that risk.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but I just don't get people who wait till the "wolf is at the door" to realize they should have a plan.

John

[Edited on 10-2-2018 by John Harper]

4x4abc - 10-2-2018 at 05:34 PM

thank you for your empathetic lecture, John!
Fritz the Kraut certainly loved it too.

The other John (Lennon) had a more realistic view: "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans"

I am in a similar situation. No money left, almost out of health.
I flocked up. Sad, but true.
I might survive it.

Advice from "Why don't you go home, you (stupid) foreigner?" to "Just cut that effing leg off, don't waste money on antibiotics!" only helps my depression.

A big thank you to the all members who talk less and help more.
Thank you!


David K - 10-2-2018 at 05:50 PM

Harald, is renting the guest room an option? Pre-qualified European or ? travelers, perhaps?
How about renting your Jeeps to fly-in guests? Maybe some pre-planned tours on paper to go with your Jeeps?
You have such a nice place that there could be resources with it. Hopefully something!

vjfamily - 10-2-2018 at 06:12 PM

Blanca, so glad you got to meet with Maria. The photo is wonderful, Maria has kind eyes, a serene manner - kinda reminds me of Frida Khalo.
This whole mess that Maria faces with the man she cares for has struck a chord for me.
From day one, reading Vetinario's posting I found myself reflecting on how good life is for so many people and how fortunate that Hubschraubear connected up with Maria.
I consider it an honor to help this couple dig there way back to a joyful satisfying life. Someday they will help someone just as they have been helped.
BTW Can you tell me/us what name does Maria use when talking of Hubschraubear

4x4abc - 10-2-2018 at 06:24 PM

Jeeps all need work
my insurance does not cover renting them
let alone the lack of permits
sure you have some free play in Mexico, but you would be surprised how many are just waiting for you to give them ammunition

working on getting the extra room ready for rent
but with me in the wheelchair and low funds, that will take a while

with more than a year in the wheelchair I have learned to wait

my main obstacle is my depression and the many hours a day I need to spend in treatment.
Once I find someone to help me with my books, my life will balance out again.
But maybe I'll die with the books still inside me.
Luckily I have only dear friends around me that soften the impact of pain somewhat.



John Harper - 10-2-2018 at 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
thank you for your empathetic lecture, John!
Fritz the Kraut certainly loved it too.


I'm not trying to be cruel, just trying to see what options he might have. I've helped lots of people in my life, please don't misunderstand my comments. I am actually trying to see how best to help this poor man. Other than just sending money to a static situation. Paying his landlord for another few days just doesn't seem much of a solution.

Maybe pitch in and get him home to some family/friends, or resources? IDK, who can any of us really count on? I always wonder.

What does Fritz want, that's the question. Only he can say. If he's sold off all his stuff, his options are few. Flights to Germany are relatively cheap, it's the off season. Perhaps we all should just buy him a ticket from LA to Frankfurt? At least he can get some state benefits and medical care. IDK, just tossing out some options. It's his life. Beats begging for rent.

I apologize if my comments came across as less than sympathetic. That's not my intention.

John

[Edited on 10-3-2018 by John Harper]

4x4abc - 10-2-2018 at 07:43 PM

Fritz is not a stupid man - just sick and out of resources.

Flying him back to Germany will only make him another homeless in Germany.
With another grim winter coming, not a smart idea.
Life in La Paz is a lot less expensive, with decent weather. Plus, he has a caring girlfriend on his side.
So, we should help him more instead of lecturing him.
I don't have much myself, but I'll be the first one tomorrow morning to send money.
This man needs help - not lip service.

John Harper - 10-3-2018 at 06:18 AM

Fritz,

Thank you for your response. All I was trying to ascertain was what options you have given your situation.

The way I see it, your assets are:

German citizenship
Pending Mexican citizenship (?)

Liabilities are:

Older (I'm 60 as well)
Broke
Sick
Near Homeless
No potential income stream

Not a lot to work with IMO. That's the reason I suggested a return to your country of citizenship. You're a stranger in a strange land, and perhaps returning home might have opened up some other avenues of assistance.

As for my mom, she would not have been in your situation, as she always instilled the need for good medical insurance, retirement savings(coupled with SS), frugal spending habits. She is dead now, but did not die penniless.

I appreciate your responses. Believe me, I've been called lots of things in my life and "prick" is not one of them.

John

[Edited on 10-3-2018 by John Harper]

David K - 10-3-2018 at 07:34 AM

Seems like there are several of us over 60 with a lot of Baja travel experience that could be combined to the benefit of younger Baja visitors? A Baja California Adventure Service where our knowledge and connections might be combined and provide an income when we as individuals cannot, alone. Just thinking outloud...

rhintransit - 10-3-2018 at 07:44 AM

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I'm not trying to be cruel, just trying to see what options he might have. I've helped lots of people in my life, please don't misunderstand my comments. I am actually trying to see how best to help this poor man. Other than just sending money to a static situation. Paying his landlord for another few days just doesn't seem much of a solution.

Maybe pitch in and get him home to some family/friends, or resources? IDK, who can any of us really count on? I always wonder.

What does Fritz want, that's the question. Only he can say. If he's sold off all his stuff, his options are few. Flights to Germany are relatively cheap, it's the off season. Perhaps we all should just buy him a ticket from LA to Frankfurt? At least he can get some state benefits and medical care. IDK, just tossing out some options. It's his life. Beats begging for rent.

I apologize if my comments came across as less than sympathetic. That's not my intention.

John

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Well, John, your intentions are certainly not clear. And certainly not helpful, unless you truly are interested in what Hubschrabear “wants,” as a way to help and not as a way kick a fellow human being when he is down.

What the man wants, and needs, are simply human dignity and whatever assistance might be available, having already exhausted all other possible options. Following this entire thread, I can clearly see that struggle, and can only imagine what it must have cost him to ask for help from strangers.

Materially, a safe place to live, access to decent internet so that he can make a living, a decent and secure job for Maria...these would get him back on his feet. Perhaps an angel out there in La Paz is listening/reading this? While I am not capable of providing any of these things, I can be sure that there is grocery money monthly, and if ramen noodles are the diet so that the landlord can be bought off for a few more days, so be it. Responding to a strange in need shows our humanity.

Anyone out there who can help, please join me. There for the grace of God, go I, and everyone else who thinks it could never happen to them.

Roberta Henry, proud Baja Nomad for many many years

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David K - 10-3-2018 at 08:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rhintransit  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  



I'm not trying to be cruel, just trying to see what options he might have. I've helped lots of people in my life, please don't misunderstand my comments. I am actually trying to see how best to help this poor man. Other than just sending money to a static situation. Paying his landlord for another few days just doesn't seem much of a solution.

Maybe pitch in and get him home to some family/friends, or resources? IDK, who can any of us really count on? I always wonder.

What does Fritz want, that's the question. Only he can say. If he's sold off all his stuff, his options are few. Flights to Germany are relatively cheap, it's the off season. Perhaps we all should just buy him a ticket from LA to Frankfurt? At least he can get some state benefits and medical care. IDK, just tossing out some options. It's his life. Beats begging for rent.

I apologize if my comments came across as less than sympathetic. That's not my intention.

John

[Edited on 10-3-2018 by John Harper]



Well, John, your intentions are certainly not clear. And certainly not helpful, unless you truly are interested in what Hubschrabear “wants,” as a way to help and not as a way kick a fellow human being when he is down.

What the man wants, and needs, are simply human dignity and whatever assistance might be available, having already exhausted all other possible options. Following this entire thread, I can clearly see that struggle, and can only imagine what it must have cost him to ask for help from strangers.

Materially, a safe place to live, access to decent internet so that he can make a living, a decent and secure job for Maria...these would get him back on his feet. Perhaps an angel out there in La Paz is listening/reading this? While I am not capable of providing any of these things, I can be sure that there is grocery money monthly, and if ramen noodles are the diet so that the landlord can be bought off for a few more days, so be it. Responding to a strange in need shows our humanity.

Anyone out there who can help, please join me. There for the grace of God, go I, and everyone else who thinks it could never happen to them.

Roberta Henry, proud Baja Nomad for many many years



caj13 - 10-3-2018 at 08:13 AM

fritz,

You don't know me, but I'm one of the anonomous donors to your fundrazor campaign, last time i checked, I'm still responsible for over 10% of the total you have raised.

Not sure why you chose to lash out at john, I thought he raised legitimate questions. Many you had answered or refered to in past posts, many required clarification and updating. .

BTW - since you were a green card holder and worked in the USA and paid taxes for 12 years, you are eligible to recieve social security benefits,

did you check that out?
https://finance.zacks.com/green-card-holders-living-abroad-e...

John raised a concern over how you ended up in this financial mess. Thats legitimate. many of us here have worked for sacrified for and planned for the resources we will need to cover us moving into our golden years. that includes contingencies for medical conditions, being financially secure, making sure families would be taken care of in the case we make an untimely exit, or get devastating illness or disability - making sure we are able to cover emergencies etc.
for most of us, that process has taken 40 - 50 years.

thats alot of self sacrifice , for alot of years, alot of denial and discipline, putting off wants, to make sure we stay on plan! just to make sure we don't end up in a situation like you find your self.

after seeing you respond to John, i humbly ask that I be placed in the prick catagory - right next to John, where i stand proudly. In fact, since he is Major Prick, i want to be Lieutenant Prick.

I feel bad for you, I especially feel bad for Maria, and hope that things work out, but lashing out at people who are trying to understand why this has gone from needing some short term assistance to looking for others to fund your self determined long range plans - no thanks, I'm out!

Caj - AKA Lieutenant Prick!

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John Harper - 10-3-2018 at 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rhintransit  

Well, John, your intentions are certainly not clear. And certainly not helpful, unless you truly are interested in what Hubschrabear “wants,” as a way to help and not as a way kick a fellow human being when he is down.

What the man wants, and needs, are simply human dignity and whatever assistance might be available, having already exhausted all other possible options. Following this entire thread, I can clearly see that struggle, and can only imagine what it must have cost him to ask for help from strangers.

Materially, a safe place to live, access to decent internet so that he can make a living, a decent and secure job for Maria...these would get him back on his feet. Perhaps an angel out there in La Paz is listening/reading this? While I am not capable of providing any of these things, I can be sure that there is grocery money monthly, and if ramen noodles are the diet so that the landlord can be bought off for a few more days, so be it. Responding to a strange in need shows our humanity.

Anyone out there who can help, please join me. There for the grace of God, go I, and everyone else who thinks it could never happen to them.

Roberta Henry, proud Baja Nomad for many many years


My intention was to identify some kind of path or plan for this man to improve his situation. A couple questions I also have:

1) What kind of medical insurance did Fritz have? I can understand if he was 30 years old, and expects to live forever. Once you get into your 50's you should plan for medical expenses that will be forthcoming. Especially if you're an expat. There's a reason most Americans wait till they get Medicare to retire in Mexico.

2) If he decided 16 years ago to live his life in Baja, why did he not take steps to become a Mexican citizen way back then? From what I've read, he could have avoided this $32,000 medical expense by receiving Mexican state social services and healthcare.

3) Without citizenship, how can he get decent long term employment, pay taxes, and receive benefits? I was thinking he might look into being a live in caretaker for absentee owners, property management services, translator, etc. I'm pretty sure being a citizen would provide more options for a reasonable income stream. DavidK has a good idea too.

4) He's 60, with no German government retirement income available in the future? No US style SS, Medicare, etc? Why not? If Germany offers it, perhaps he just has to suck it up and follow their rules. As it is, he's a man without a country. Blaming some guy named Rolf in Florida is not a defense.

I'm not kicking anyone, just trying to see if there is a way he can survive with his choice of staying in a foreign land without citizenship and chronic health issues. Hard questions need to be asked and faced up to.

John



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4x4abc - 10-3-2018 at 02:53 PM

you have a rare talent Señor Fritz!


KurtG - 10-3-2018 at 03:20 PM

I have sent "Fritz" some small contributions and will continue to do so.
When I decide to assist someone whether on line like here or just someone on the street I tend to make snap judgments and then no second guessing afterward. I also spend no time questioning how they got to the point where they have to ask for some help, I just hope any contribution I make helps them move forward.

4x4abc - 10-3-2018 at 04:59 PM

you are a wise and good man, Kurt.

4x4abc - 10-3-2018 at 05:08 PM

I have also learned that you have no business commenting on where the money goes you are donating.

A few years back, I helped a local guy to build a new house as his had blown away by hurricane Odile.
One of my own walls had blown over, but many of the blocks were still usable. They needed some work to be square again, but it seemed manageable.
So we loaded a trailer full of blocks and drove over to Pedro's property so he had some free building material.

I stopped by for some other stuff three days later and the blocks were gone.
Pedro had needed money for beer. Or drugs. Or whatever.

I had to sort through my emotions and came to the conclusion - it is his life, his decisions. My only involvement can be donating.

[Edited on 10-4-2018 by 4x4abc]

KurtG - 10-3-2018 at 05:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
you are a wise and good man, Kurt.


I try to be a good human but have often failed, as to "wise" that is certainly open to question!
Thank you in any case,
Kurt

4x4abc - 11-27-2019 at 10:08 AM

Let me take the opportunity to thank you all again for helping me in my darkest hours. Without you I might have been homeless by now.
I am kinda walking again, even though the bad leg is quite a bit shorter. But I am moving on my own now. That is all that counts. Sold one more car and renovated the garage house for airbnb. Check it out: https://tinyurl.com/vd57sbn
My mobility is severely limited and that will not likely change. I don't mind - don't have that many years to live anyway.
Nonetheless, I will soon offer Baja expeditions and 4x4 classes again. A couple of books are coming, too.
So, life looks bright again.

Thank you all for helping me to get this far!

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David K - 11-27-2019 at 10:22 AM

That is wonderful to hear, Harald!
You are a strong individual and I was impressed on how well you moved about just months after the accident. Heck, you were even fixing my flat tire from your wheelchair!
I look forward to seeing you back in business and if I can help, even by posting your links, let me know...

4x4abc - 11-27-2019 at 12:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  

Thank you all for helping me to get this far!
Harald, any idea what happened to Fritz?


I have no idea what happened to Fritz. I have been reaching out to him because he had mentioned that he felt alone and abandoned, but he did not respond to several attempts.
I know first hand how depression crawls into you after severe traumas like he and I had. So I wanted to help.
The occasional "Heads up" mail from forum members made a big difference for me. Thank you!
I hope Fritz is in good hands.

Depression is a powerful silent killer.

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caj13 - 11-27-2019 at 12:28 PM

I have continued getting updates. It always is the same story - healing up - then big setbacks, donors abandoning him, If only he could get access to fast internet he could make money - etc.

at one point i know he was talking to german consulate types, don't know where that got him. i also never heard if he bothered to follow through and get the social security benefits he was entitled to from the USA (assuming the story he told was true, he was eligible!)

I kind of felt like I had become an enabler by contributing, i could detect no effort on his part to actually move forward on getting the help he needed (not interested in moving, getting german help, USA help etc, it seemed like he was only interested in staying in his situation - and complaining about it! he was not interested in any potential solution other than keeping donations pouring in! - it's like he was only interested in getting handouts from people!

heres the last update i got: This was mid october I believe

Just an update here, getting close to 3 years now and still so many problems and new issues. I wonder if this will continue being that was along senior citizen life.
The wound itself continues to heal, even the 2 new cracks within the would due to swelling of leg with liquid I do not get out fast enough with medicine like Furosemida.
The whole leg and and the foot however do look horrible, this are like bodyparts that do not belong to me! More like out of a horror-movie!
We do the best we can with massages and this Biomagnetism treatment of Dr. Isaac Goiz Duran, Medical Surgeon from Mexico
So in general we not doing good, due to several donors cancel/seize their commitments we in a tight spot and no change in outlook.
After Telmex, CFE and debt collectors we ad up with somewhat 200.-US $ per month for both of us, groceries, meds and all.......
No need to break that down

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4x4abc - 11-27-2019 at 03:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  

Anybody know what happened to this Fritz guy?

I just talked to some friends in La Paz who mentioned a German computer whiz who'd had some major medical problems with his leg, but they said his name is "Tomás".
:?:


I remember dimly that either Fritz's last name was Thomas or it was his middle name. I have seen both names connected to him.

David K - 11-27-2019 at 05:39 PM

Did you know Tomás, the German who lived in the desert west of L.A. Bay? He passed away around 2004. Mia (he wife?) continues what he began to help promote L.A. Bay with the www.bahiadelosangeles.info page.

4x4abc - 11-27-2019 at 08:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Did you know Tomás, the German who lived in the desert west of L.A. Bay? He passed away around 2004. Mia (he wife?) continues what he began to help promote L.A. Bay with the www.bahiadelosangeles.info page.

Tomas and Mia were long friends of mine. Tomas was actually Werner Marhold, but nobody could pronounce Werner in BdlA. So he became Tomas. His funeral in 2005 was major event.

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caj13 - 12-1-2019 at 09:54 PM

here is Fritz's latest update, as of today. I'll let it stand on its own, with one reminder, I was a guy who was a significant contributor to Fritz and his cause -

Following is not such a nice statement but somehow I have to put it out:
I have been informed last week that there been some deteriorating remarks about me made on that Baja Nomads platform by that obviously intellectually deprived hater "caj13" spewing brain diarrhea without any merit in best social media echo-chambers styles.
Questioning my intention with another personality assassination attempt. I do not know why the guy is so focused on me - there are much better targets out there.
I guess he found nobody else to hate at the time. Poor person, what a sad character on display!
Yes, it makes a lot of sense what he wrote down during his quest for some attention.
If I'm out for hand-outs I would have enough sense to do so BEFORE I sold all my valuable (multiple vehicles, upmarket electronics, and computer equipment) and before Maria and I went into debt using to limit out our credit cards, over-draw accounts and take personals credits at loan-sharks to pay my medical bills.
And the other one, less severe yet also not correct statement regarding me originates from "4x4abc". He may send me a 3-word message via this Baja Nomads message system.
For sure did he not reach multiple times out to me as stated!! I have a mail on file where I send him, my physical address, my Telmex landline #, my Telcel phone # PLUS he has a friend that is very frequently in personal contact with a friend of mine. Getting in touch with me would be not a problem at all!! But I understand, some remarks are just like duds serving to groom and maintain an appearance as good guy more than anything else. I guess it works looking at the results and lifestyle....
Rant over, I had said what I had to - rest assured: you talk unjustified crap about me behind my back - I will respond if falsehoods. lies or BS cross a certain threshold....

Correcthor - 12-2-2019 at 02:09 PM

That sure made me curious, needed a while to find the place you pulled that statements from.
Are you surprised that a tasty answer caj13
" It always is the same story - healing up - then big setbacks"
I do not know many people that barely safe their leg from amputation - it might be a little more as just a flu....
"assuming the story he told was true".... ? Questioning somebody speaking the truth, a person in a desperate situation, is not very helpful.
And why are you just picking the less positive stuff and not the whole post or the link to it?
Looking back on this thread looks like you only nagging at the guy... and after over a year start again...?
Why? Aggravate the guy?

He seem to try different ways to progress reading in to that
If somebody has his phone # or email address please send it, I like to talk to him.

Here is the missing part of that post and the link to it.

"It's the first Advent and a by many folks in Germany observed custom is to light the first candle on a Advent Wreath (Adventskranz). It is like a count-down to xmas...
Due to circumstances I (ET) do that virtual and send my thoughts across the city to Maria and to all the genuine people helping us along that long road so far."
~~~~
http://bit.ly/2qizKZ2

[Edited on 12-2-2019 by Correcthor]

caj13 - 12-2-2019 at 02:38 PM

first post by a newbie - interesting!
To put it into a nutshell, fritz, after telling his sotry - was asked a series of legit questions by people willing to help, but needing more info. fritz first lashed out at them, denigrating them - then interstingly - he came back with new "details" for his story.

Trouble was "in fabricating those details", he messed up.
His insistence that he had worked for 12 years in the USA, and paid all of his taxes - well if that was true - that makes him eligible for social security benefits and some health care. He was provided a link to those resources.
Interestingly enough, he chose to never acknowledge that help, or seek it, instead he chose to continue lashing out at those people who had stepped up to help out. (including me, who was a significant donor to his cause BTW)

why would that be Mr thor ? why would he continue complaining about his situation when he had a ready made solution available?

See what happens when you choose to embellish? sooner or later, even on the internet - someone steps up and holds you accountable!

The good news in fritz still reads stuff here, so perhaps he will contact you, and you can help out!

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4x4abc - 12-2-2019 at 04:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  



And the other one, less severe yet also not correct statement regarding me originates from "4x4abc". He may send me a 3-word message via this Baja Nomads message system.
For sure did he not reach multiple times out to me as stated!! I have a mail on file where I send him


Fritz (Thomas Ernst) is a grumpy man in need of help. I can relate. I am German as well (born grumpy) and I just finished a 2 year wheelchair "adventure". That really turned me into a grumpy bastard.
So, when Fritz mentioned his depressive phase I reached out.
He did not respond.
I understand - I sometimes have the same problem responding in time.
So I used the fundraiser platform to reach out.
Nada.
Tried again a few days later.
Nada.
Below is my 3-word message (no, it was not on Baja Nomad)

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for you non native Germans: Thomas, I already tried to reach you a few weeks ago. I wanted to visit you, help you get through hard times. Please respond. Harald Pietschmann. I am in La Paz. You'll find me. Can't post may mail address here.

[Edited on 12-3-2019 by 4x4abc]