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Is Mexico as safe as it used to be?

joerover - 5-10-2018 at 07:13 PM

I ask that from the point of view of a touring cyclist. Remember the Baja Divide thread to give you an idea of what I am asking.

It could be that I started reading the news, or just got older. It could be more drugs and than before. It could be more police corruption. It could be that as I get older, I get more afraid.

Recently 2 touring cyclists were killed in Chiapas. I was looking at a map considering riding that same road, before I read about it.

advrider - 5-10-2018 at 07:28 PM

I was down there in March on my moto for 12 days and everything seemed just fine! Rode a lot of the Baja divide and spoke with a few cyclists and didn't hear of any problems. chit can always happen but you could get run down checking the mail to.

joerover - 5-11-2018 at 07:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider  
you could get run down checking the mail to.


I got hit by a Mercedes benz as I checked the mail box back in 1987. Hard to move out of the way when you are standing on ice.

SFandH - 5-11-2018 at 08:17 AM

Just got back from 6 months on Bahia Concepcion. There were 3 murders in the Santa Rosalia / Mulege area. Local guys, 2 decapitations.

Four friends of mine, two Canadian couples in two fifth wheelers, took off to travel the peninsula and suffered an armed robbery at night while camped on a Pacific beach south of El Pescadero. A shotgun was discharged by one of the robbers and one woman had her clothes torn off in an attempted rape. I spoke with them when they returned to Bahia Concepcion. I doubt they will ever step foot in Mexico again.

I'd say it's more dangerous in BCS than before. There are more people, both good and bad.

I used to stay alone in my camper on remote beaches. Not anymore, even with my very alert dog.

BajaGringo - 5-11-2018 at 08:27 AM

The short answer is no.

Pretty much nowhere on this planet is as safe as it used to be. Drugs, a weak economy, years of releasing countless thousands of violent ex-cons back into Mexico at the Tijuana border with no filtering or coordination with the Mexican authorities and the institutional corruption that exists down here have all taken a deep toll.

Some expats prefer to live in walled off communities, believing that will keep them safe but in my opinion it only makes you a bigger target. My advice is to learn spanish, get to know your Mexican neighbors and establish a strong neighborhood bond with some form of a neighborhood watch program. Security lighting along with a couple of large barking dogs is a huge plus.

If you are only down here traveling as a tourist, don't speed or roll stop signs when driving, avoid getting drunk in public places, stay away from drugs or any other illegal activity, stay only in the tourist zones after dark and if that voice in the back of your head is telling you that something doesn't quite feel right then quickly put distance between yourself and that situation.

Same advice I follow wherever I travel today on this drug infested planet.

Traveling alone on a bike down a long, remote stretch of highway would give me the creeps anywhere today. I would only do so with a larger group or a trailing vehicle.

YMMV




bajamary1952 - 5-11-2018 at 09:56 AM

I am one of the rare single females traveling only with a small dog in a car and camping 50% of the time - and never stay in gringo areas including high-priced hotels. I have been traveling mostly Baja for the past 4 years (and recently on the mainland in the "dangerous" states of Michoacan & Sinaloa) and NEVER had a problem with anyone. I find people very friendly perhaps because I am traveling alone and people find it unusual. I do speak decent Spanish which probably helps. I feel safer traveling in Mexico than most parts of the U.S. where I've lived (lived in Los Angeles area, San Francisco area, Houston, Dallas, etc.)

bajabuddha - 5-11-2018 at 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More people are robbed and killed here in California in a day than in a year or more in Baja.



preposterous. :smug:

willardguy - 5-11-2018 at 11:13 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More people are robbed and killed here in California in a day than in a year or more in Baja.



preposterous. :smug:


with baseball bats!:lol:

bajaric - 5-11-2018 at 11:39 AM

I think setting up a camp site in a secluded area way out in the boonies is still pretty safe but solo camping near populated areas within sight of the main road is not very safe any more. It is better to stay in a campground (or motel) where you pay a few bucks, then you are "their" tourist and they will keep an eye on you and your stuff.

DK, you almost got it backwards. There are as many murders in Tijuana in a week (34 on average, in 2017) as there are in San Diego in a year. However, it seems that tourists are usually not targeted. I personally have never been a victim of crime in Baja over the last three decades and dozens of trips (not counting a 20 dollar payment to a cop back in the 1980's to get out of an obvious traffic violation on my part) but I am a lot more careful about where I stay than I used to be.

bajabuddha - 5-11-2018 at 02:19 PM

That clarifies nothing, DK. With all the graft and burglaries in Baja you suggest that clears things up? That's why all the bars on every house in every town, huh. Just for once admit you used 'alternate facts' a wee bit.

As far as your last line goes, I also call BS. Compared to Mexico the U.S. is much safer for vacations if you follow common-sense rules. Ever get Montzuma's revenge at a Howard Johnson's? Also here when I camp in the back-country I can pack heat which makes me much safer than in Baja.

chippy - 5-11-2018 at 02:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
I ask that from the point of view of a touring cyclist. Remember the Baja Divide thread to give you an idea of what I am asking.

It could be that I started reading the news, or just got older. It could be more drugs and than before. It could be more police corruption. It could be that as I get older, I get more afraid.

Recently 2 touring cyclists were killed in Chiapas. I was looking at a map considering riding that same road, before I read about it.



Mexico (all there of) has never been a super safe place travel like Baja was (long ago) Baja now is like traveling mainland 30 years ago (sketchy at times). If you where considering that Chiapas route to ride a bike then you are not very well informed on whats been going on in that area for a long,long time. I won´t even drive it in my truck any more.

SFandH - 5-11-2018 at 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
If you want to experience the great outdoors in ways you can't in your daily world, come to Baja!


Like I said I know 4 Canadians experiencing the great outdoors on a baja beach this winter not far from a town that were absolutely terrified by two armed Mexicans that stole everything they could carry, money, IDs, electronics, etc, shot up a trailer with a shotgun, and ripped the clothes off one of the women. These are experienced baja travelers who felt safe for the night.

Baja is definitely more dangerous than it was for tourists and locals alike. More drug (meth) addicts I would guess. Even the little town of Mulege has a meth problem.

But, I'll keep going there. Just have to be more careful.


[Edited on 5-11-2018 by SFandH]

Lee - 5-11-2018 at 04:09 PM

Being an experienced traveler in Baja is meaningless.

Feeling ''safe for the night'' is naive.

What happens in Chiapas can happen anywhere, and does.

A guy in my hood had a gun pulled on him at his door by 3 MX demanding money. He gave them money and still lives there.

Bad things happen to good people. Luck of the draw.

Don't be lulled into a false sense of security.

Having a dog that will sound an alarm is great. Then what? Have a plan.

chippy - 5-11-2018 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
If you want to experience the great outdoors in ways you can't in your daily world, come to Baja!


Like I said I know 4 Canadians experiencing the great outdoors on a baja beach this winter not far from a town that were absolutely terrified by two armed Mexicans that stole everything they could carry, money, IDs, electronics, etc, shot up a trailer with a shotgun, and ripped the clothes off one of the women. These are experienced baja travelers who felt safe for the night.

Baja is definitely more dangerous than it was for tourists and locals alike. More drug (meth) addicts I would guess. Even the little town of Mulege has a meth problem.

But, I'll keep going there. Just have to be more careful.


[Edited on 5-11-2018 by SFandH]


That was terrible and I don't blame them for never going to Baja again.

I wanted to balance the fear you shared with newbies who could change their Baja plans. Plans that might go to places I go to, and never have had a problem with crime.

You even say it won't stop you from going south.

Every time one here posts a scary story without some relevance (like where it happened), it HURTS the local people of Baja who depend on tourism and visitors for their living. Always post bad things that are truthful, but take a minute to let the newbies to Baja know that Baja is not just Cabo or Rosarito... It is a 1,000 miles of adventure in just one direction and 3,000 miles of coast with mountains in between. Crime does happen but not everywhere in Baja and not with making good decisions about where to be. If you hear there were a robbery and a shooting in San Diego last night... do you not go to the World's greatest zoo or Sea World or Legoland any more because of that?




Or does it hurt your dream/fantasy?

rts551 - 5-11-2018 at 06:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
To clarify, I did say killed or robbed (not just killed)... and the people in question are (North) Americans.

Americans on vacation in Baja are safer there than everyday life here... that may be an opinion, but I think not. I presumed the thread is about Mexico being safe for tourists from north of their border?

Compared to living here in the U.S., a vacation in Mexico is safe.


Didn't someones purse just get lifted at Coco's Corner?

Paco Facullo - 5-11-2018 at 06:34 PM

I've had my heart and my seed stolen more than a few times in Baja .....

TMW - 5-11-2018 at 06:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More people are robbed and killed here in California in a day than in a year or more in Baja.


To put it in perspective the state of CA has 40 million people. Baja and Baja Sur have 4 million. Also it is probable that reporting of crimes in Mexico is not as high as in the U.S. To be clear I'm not saying which is worse but there are places I would not go to on both sides.

mtgoat666 - 5-11-2018 at 06:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
I ask that from the point of view of a touring cyclist.


it's safe to cycle. but watch out for two demographics: retirement age gringos and fat ladies in hondas.

Many are cranks that hate bicycles, think bikes have no right to be on roads. Some gringos drive oversize vehicles like full size pickups and RVs that are dangerous because their driving skills are decaying and skills are not quite up to driving wide cars.
Cranky old gringos in too-large vehicles (and hondas), what can you do about them?

Paco Facullo - 5-11-2018 at 07:15 PM

Someone that cycles on Hwy 1 should realize the danger they put themselves and others in by biking on such a narrow highway . They have NO right to complain, when and if , something bad happens to them..

And it ain't just cranky old Gringo's or fat ladies in Honda's that can cause the damage...

Albeit , there are a whole lot a Cranky old Gringo and fat Ladies around....:!::!::!:

[Edited on 5-12-2018 by Paco Facullo]

motoged - 5-11-2018 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
I've had my heart and my seed stolen more than a few times in Baja .....


My hunch is you gave all that away.....:lol:

Can't be a victim under those circumstances....:light:

Paco Facullo - 5-11-2018 at 07:59 PM

Busted !!! Guilty as charged .....................

BajaTed - 5-11-2018 at 08:09 PM

Not being on your "home" turf is a universal issue not isolated to Baja.
Universal also is; the dumbest & weakest appearing will be tested further and possibly targeted.
It doesn't come out of the clear blue sky either, there will be signs

mtgoat666 - 5-11-2018 at 08:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
Someone that cycles on Hwy 1 should realize the danger they put themselves and others in by biking on such a narrow highway .


You cagers should realize the danger you put others in by driving too fast to accomodate bicycles that have same rights to road as you!

Paco Facullo - 5-11-2018 at 08:32 PM

Rights ?

Rights be DAMMED !!!

Out on the highway it's you and you alone .................................

On either side of the coin............

To clarify, you can be 100% right and still find yourself maimed or dead...
So be careful out there folks .

[Edited on 5-13-2018 by Paco Facullo]

Paco Facullo - 5-11-2018 at 08:36 PM

And why would you assume I'm driving too fast ?????

I've never been called a " Cager" before ? That's a first......
But I an looking forward to it sum fine dasy ................

[Edited on 5-12-2018 by Paco Facullo]

rts551 - 5-12-2018 at 01:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More people are robbed and killed here in California in a day than in a year or more in Baja.


To put it in perspective the state of CA has 40 million people. Baja and Baja Sur have 4 million. Also it is probable that reporting of crimes in Mexico is not as high as in the U.S. To be clear I'm not saying which is worse but there are places I would not go to on both sides.


Yes, but don't you think an American is far far more likley to meet with a criminal in America where he lives most of the time than the week or two of the year in Baja where he camps? I feel safer in Baja camping than anywhere in the U.S. outside my home.

Sorry if my logic wasn't described clearly before. Just talking around the Nomad campfire. Toss in another magic rock, please!


not everyone is a weekender in Baja.

chippy - 5-12-2018 at 02:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More people are robbed and killed here in California in a day than in a year or more in Baja.


To put it in perspective the state of CA has 40 million people. Baja and Baja Sur have 4 million. Also it is probable that reporting of crimes in Mexico is not as high as in the U.S. To be clear I'm not saying which is worse but there are places I would not go to on both sides.


Yes, but don't you think an American is far far more likley to meet with a criminal in America where he lives most of the time than the week or two of the year in Baja where he camps? I feel safer in Baja camping than anywhere in the U.S. outside my home.

Sorry if my logic wasn't described clearly before. Just talking around the Nomad campfire. Toss in another magic rock, please!


not everyone is a weekender in Baja.





Thats what dk doesn´t get. He is a quick strike hit and run Baja guy. A couple a days here and a couple of days there then scurry home. Nothing wrong with that but his logic doesn´t work for people posting up for mos. at a time or with permanent places.

del mar - 5-12-2018 at 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More people are robbed and killed here in California in a day than in a year or more in Baja.


To put it in perspective the state of CA has 40 million people. Baja and Baja Sur have 4 million. Also it is probable that reporting of crimes in Mexico is not as high as in the U.S. To be clear I'm not saying which is worse but there are places I would not go to on both sides.


Yes, but don't you think an American is far far more likley to meet with a criminal in America where he lives most of the time than the week or two of the year in Baja where he camps? I feel safer in Baja camping than anywhere in the U.S. outside my home.

Sorry if my logic wasn't described clearly before. Just talking around the Nomad campfire. Toss in another magic rock, please!


not everyone is a weekender in Baja.





Thats what dk doesn´t get. He is a quick strike hit and run Baja guy. A couple a days here and a couple of days there then scurry home. Nothing wrong with that but his logic doesn´t work for people posting up for mos. at a time or with permanent places.


wouldn't you think someone THAT fanatic would live here????

chippy - 5-12-2018 at 03:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Seems what we have here is a failure to communicate.
My comments regarding the safety of Americans on vacation in Mexico are consistent. Americans can be safer in Mexico on a vacation than the rest of the year in America.
My comments both are supportive of the locals who depend on tourism, and of Americans who want a Baja experience.
I know a few of you think that since you found Baja, that nobody else should.
Sorry!


More flawed logic. My parents had various places in baja since I was 8 years old (62 now). My brother has a place south of San Felipe since the 70s. I still do Baja occasionally but have been residing in mainland Mexico for the last 20 years. I´m not trying to keep Baja for myself. I don´t want it. I´m also not constantly trying to sell it as you do. Your rose colored lenses are that of a weekend tourist with no base in reality.



TMW - 5-12-2018 at 03:59 PM

David I don't disagree with what you are saying, I too think Baja is generally safe.

I've camped in Baja and the U.S. alone and with others many times and I have not had any problems on either side. I go to many places on both sides and I've never had any problems with bad guys except when my truck was stolen at Rene's restaurant in Rosarito and that was 25 years ago. That said I go thru the border and don't stop especially in TJ and I never cross the border at night if I can help it. I don't drive at night if I can help it on either side.

A big difference between the U.S. and Mexico is guns. I know a lot of people that carry a gun and if necessary the bad guy could regret messing with them. In Mexico the bad guys have the guns and that gives them the advantage.

chippy - 5-12-2018 at 06:28 PM

You just reinforced what I said. 8 trips 2 mos. What don´t you understand about being a weekend warrior? Pretending I know you? Your ego knows no bounds.

Let the bike pass

joerover - 5-12-2018 at 06:40 PM

You do not have to kill the cyclists with your car. let them pass and the heroin junkies will get them down the road a ways.

Los Angles Times
http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-mexico-cyclists-20180511-...

A pair of European cyclists who disappeared in southern Mexico last month and whose remains later turned up in a rural ravine were victims of an armed robbery and not an accident, a Mexican prosecutor said Friday.

One cyclist was shot in the head and his companion likely died from a head wound caused by a beating, Luis Alberto Sanchez, the chief homicide prosecutor in Mexico's Chiapas state, told the Mexican media.

Last week, a different state prosecutor had said there was no indication of foul play in the high-profile disappearance.

The case of the missing cyclists — Holger Franz Hagenbusch, a German national, 43, and his Polish traveling companion, Krzysztof Chmielewski-Podroznik, 37 — has reverberated for weeks on social media and in the European and Mexican press.

Mexico has seen a spike in murders and other crime that has almost exclusively victimized Mexican citizens and does not appear to have had a major effect on the nation's multibillion-dollar tourism industry. Officials in Chiapas vowed to increase security along highways in the wake of the cyclists' killings.

The bearded Hagenbusch — pictured in Facebook photos with a broad smile as he sipped soft drinks and listened to music in Mexico — was a veteran cyclist and adventurer who had pedaled through Asia, Europe and the United States before coming to Mexico, according to social media postings. He was planning a trip to Africa.

Last week, after authorities announced that the body of the Pole had been found, an assistant state prosecutor in Chiapas declared publicly that he had likely died in an accident. The narrow road on which the cyclists were riding featured a precipitous drop into the adjoining ravine, authorities said.

But Friday, Sanchez said the two cyclists were victims of an "assault," with robbery a likely motive.

"We have the loss of two human lives that looks to us like intentional homicide," Sanchez told Mexico's Televisa network.

A bicycle and photographic equipment were among the items missing from the scenes where the bodies were found, the prosecutor said.

The two bodies, badly decomposed, were discovered in a remote area along the winding highway between the cities of San Cristobal de las Casas and Ocosingo in Chiapas. Hagenbusch's remains were found May 4 about 200 yards down a ravine from the site where Chmielewski-Podroznik's body had been discovered April 26, authorities said.

According to media accounts here, a bus driver had reported seeing the two cyclists riding together on the San Cristobal-Ocosingo route April 20.

The German cyclist's brother, Rainer Hagenbusch, had issued a plea for help on Facebook in late April after not having heard from Holger in 11 days. Holger Hagenbusch had last been in touch from San Cristobal de las Casas, a colonial town popular with tourists.

On Thursday, Rainer Hagenbusch — who had traveled to Chiapas to identify his brother's body — said on Facebook that he had confirmed that his sibling had died from a gunshot wound to the head.

"Rest in Peace Holger," Rainer Hagenbusch wrote. "The whole world will miss you. You were something special."

On social media, commentators condemned the killings — many bemoaned an escalating lack of security in Mexico — and paid tribute to Hagenbusch's adventurous life. One YouTube video from a friend featured images of the late cyclist in Asia and Mexico, saying: "My heart is broken for you and for Mexico."

The two cyclists were reportedly headed to Ciudad del Carmen, on the Yucatan peninsula, some 300 miles to the north of San Cristobal de las Casas. En route, the pair apparently planned to visit the majestic, remote Mayan ruins of Palenque, a major tourist attraction.

The Mexican media have carried various accounts of assaults along the isolated roads between San Cristobal and Palenque.

Last year, seven assailants wearing ski masks and brandishing arms waylaid a bus carrying 28 Palenque-bound German tourists and robbed them of cash, jewelry and other valuables. None of the tourists were injured in the attack, the Mexican media reported.

rts551 - 5-12-2018 at 08:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Chippy, I spent two months during 8 different trips to Baja just in 2017. I don't go to the same place each time and my first trip without parents was in 1974 when I was 16. Enough pretending you know me.


A whole 2 months? WOW

rts551 - 5-12-2018 at 08:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
You just reinforced what I said. 8 trips 2 mos. What don´t you understand about being a weekend warrior? Pretending I know you? Your ego knows no bounds.


7 trips were from 6 to 14 days long covering thousands of miles each (only one was a 3-day family beach weekend camping), just last year. Add the other 50+ years I have been going to Baja and I think I am quite qualified to have an opinion if camping and travel is safe in Baja.


Anyone can have an opinion....opinions are like.....

The point is you blow through an area and think you are an expert...not so... It takes time. Many that live here in Baja have a different opinion about crime and other things. Now...Is it the weekend warrior or the person that lives here that might have a better qualified opinion? David, open up to people who are more traveled than you are in Baja...if that is possible.

JZ - 5-12-2018 at 09:54 PM

We always travel with 2 paid Mexican helpers/friends.

They keep the kids and me safe. Make the trips a lot more fun.




[Edited on 5-13-2018 by JZ]

willardguy - 5-12-2018 at 10:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by chippy  
You just reinforced what I said. 8 trips 2 mos. What don´t you understand about being a weekend warrior? Pretending I know you? Your ego knows no bounds.


7 trips were from 6 to 14 days long covering thousands of miles each (only one was a 3-day family beach weekend camping), just last year. Add the other 50+ years I have been going to Baja and I think I am quite qualified to have an opinion if camping and travel is safe in Baja.


Anyone can have an opinion....opinions are like.....

The point is you blow through an area and think you are an expert...not so... It takes time. Many that live here in Baja have a different opinion about crime and other things. Now...Is it the weekend warrior or the person that lives here that might have a better qualified opinion? David, open up to people who are more traveled than you are in Baja...if that is possible.



come on ralph....you know trying to reason with a narcissist is like trying to nail jello to a tree...:rolleyes:

[Edited on 5-13-2018 by willardguy]

BajaTed - 5-13-2018 at 09:22 AM

Puerto Vallarta is a ghost town.
Collateral damage from too many bodies.

Life in small town America is so bad that Mexican brown is the answer???
WTF happened on our watch baby boomers???



JoeJustJoe - 5-13-2018 at 09:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  
Puerto Vallarta is a ghost town.
Collateral damage from too many bodies.

Life in small town America is so bad that Mexican brown is the answer???
WTF happened on our watch baby boomers???



Keep dreaming, and I bet the tourism numbers to Puerto Vallarta, in 2018 will also be very good.
___________________

Puerto Vallarta Tourism Pacing Another Record Year DESTINATION & TOURISM PATRICK CLARKE AUGUST 15, 2017

Puerto Vallarta and Mexico's tourism industry have set a blistering pace over the first half of 2017, the destination's tourism board announced Tuesday.

The resort city is currently on schedule to host a record number of visitors this year.

The Puerto Vallarta Tourism Board reported a more than six percent increase in hotel occupancy over the first six months of 2017. Puerto Vallarta also reported an occupancy rate of close to 90 percent for the months of January through June. For comparison, the city reported 73 percent occupancy in 2016 and 70 percent during 2015.

https://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/puerto-vallart...

hermosok123 - 5-13-2018 at 10:33 AM

Although touched on here there are several vast differences when comparing crime stats in both countries. The most major being that as most crimes are not only not reported here in Mexico and are rarely if ever solved. At least you can call a cop in the US and have some kind of legal recourse should he blow you off or shake you down. Willard is correct in that to truly understand what is occurring in an area you need to spend time there or have local connections. The turf wars here and elsewhere in Mexico are not going away and for sure the newly and not so newly repatriated are not looking to join the field workers here for employment. For sure this is not to say that police corruption does not occur in the US but it is not the standard as down here. Journalists in the US are not to the best of my knowledge routinely assassinated, kidnapped and murdered. Do I not camp? Absolutely I do. I travel with a protection trained Belgian Malinois and keep a 100# pit/mastiff at home in Ensenada. Some deterrent at least. It didn't keep em from stealing my car and tools out of a non attached garage a few years ago. Yeah, times they are a changing and if you don't change with them then roll the dice. I think and this is just my opinion that part of what many of us that live here and those that travel the remote portions of Baja love is the freedom to do so without a ranger or some other government entity deciding where we can go or when and how much it will cost or finally where to park. Less is much more and I gladly will take the risk and do to keep living in Baja. Hell don't tell me that we who live or come here on a regular basis like the road(s) more travelled. Buen Viajes y Vida Libre!

chippy - 5-13-2018 at 01:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed  
Puerto Vallarta is a ghost town.
Collateral damage from too many bodies.

Life in small town America is so bad that Mexican brown is the answer???
WTF happened on our watch baby boomers???




Thats far from reality/truth. Have you been there lately? I was there 5 days ago. You would have thought semana santa was still happening. Frickin gridlocked/packed/zoo.

joerover - 5-13-2018 at 10:59 PM

I just walked across the pedestrian bridge, (8pm,). The one from central TJ to the border. No lights on the bridge. A lot of blood spilled on that bridge in the past.

JoeJustJoe - 5-14-2018 at 09:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
I just walked across the pedestrian bridge, (8pm,). The one from central TJ to the border. No lights on the bridge. A lot of blood spilled on that bridge in the past.


You are losing credibility as a Mexico fear monger, if you are walking over that bridge at night where it's very isolated and there are many homeless and desperate people in that area.

So where are you coming from the Zona Norte, another area that's not for the faint of heart?

It always amazes me how cheap some people could be that they are willing to walk that bridge, or risky area at night just to save a few dollars/pesos.

It's also hypocritical of you sounding the fear alarms about Mexico, but you yourself, hang in the seedy parts of TJ, where drugs flow freely, and you are often talking about the guys in TJ " screaming at the top of their lungs QUANTOS, QUANTOS, QUANTOS?


They don't scream that over at Zona Río of Tijuana, but only in the bad areas of TJ.

Joerover, so it's hypocritical of you for sounding the danger alarms about Mexico, when you yourself hang out at some of the worse places of Mexico, especially that bridge late at night. Where is your fear?

It's kinda like yelling FIRE FIRE FIRE, in a theater, and after everybody leaves you go back in and watch the movie by yourself.







chuckie - 5-14-2018 at 09:39 AM

Any thread that JJJ posts on is doomed to trash....

Paco Facullo - 5-14-2018 at 09:42 AM

Yes, but the entertainment factor is worth the price of admission...

joerover - 5-14-2018 at 12:44 PM

The price of admission is equal to the entertainment jjj provided_?
The fear factor on the bridge at night is real enough. And you cannot see the other people until they are 10 feet away. I dont see a bus at the new entrance, think I will use the old entrance after dark from now on.

I was in Chiapas when I started the thread, reading about how bicycle tourists are being tortured and getting there feet and heads cut off. Did the German give up his pin # after they cut off the Poles head?
Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo  
Yes, but the entertainment factor is worth the price of admission...


chuckie said that, think about that for a while.
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Any thread that JJJ posts on is doomed to trash....


[Edited on 5-14-2018 by joerover]

Think Positive !

MrBillM - 5-17-2018 at 04:33 PM

IF you're killed .................... your worries are over.

AND, those who knew you can say "He (she) died doing what he (she) loved ."