BajaNomad - San Felipe 250 tragedy

Cant murderers be extradited to mexico?
Or perhaps arrest those who aided the flight?
Do contract helos really fly the drivers out pdq to avoid law?

Are you just a stupid or brainless Yes that's it both. :bounce:

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2018 at 05:51 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Cant murderers be extradited to mexico?
Or perhaps arrest those who aided the flight?
Do contract helos really fly the drivers out pdq to avoid law?

Are you just a stupid or brainless Yes that's it both. :bounce:

It figures that you would support gringo racers fleeing the scene of accidents where spectators are killed. You are real piece of chit!

bajatrailrider - 5-16-2018 at 06:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Cant murderers be extradited to mexico?
Or perhaps arrest those who aided the flight?
Do contract helos really fly the drivers out pdq to avoid law?

Are you just a stupid or brainless Yes that's it both. :bounce:

It figures that you would support gringo racers fleeing the scene of accidents where spectators are killed. You are real piece of chit!

Listen up chit head tourist this is Mexico. The drivers where correct to leave seen with no police present. Since your just a old useless turd with zero knowledge of Mexico. Your brainless nature N-zi brain just needs cleaning . Don't like Mexico stay in your chit hole, MAKE AMERICA GREAT THROW OUT MT666 TRASH OHH and Mexico also. :bounce:

Timinator - 5-16-2018 at 07:16 AM

Getting out of there is exactly what I would do. I've seen what Mexico law looks like. There is no "fleeing the scene" addition to what could, but probably wasn't a crime in this case. However, once the Mexican officials get a hold of you, they'll soak you for whatever brides they can get away with. They would confiscate the truck, the tools, the person and whatever else they can get, sell, or hold for money/ransom. That's just how it is. The guys that were killed were on the race course, where they shouldn't be. But that doesn't matter if you're a US citizen involved in an accident in Mexico, you are always at fault. Always flee and let your insurance company negotiate in your behalf. It's not the US, it's not how it should be, but it is, get over it.

Sad but true

thebajarunner - 5-16-2018 at 07:25 AM

Getting out of there is exactly what I would do. I've seen what Mexico law looks like. There is no "fleeing the scene" addition to what could, but probably wasn't a crime in this case. However, once the Mexican officials get a hold of you, they'll soak you for whatever brides they can get away with. They would confiscate the truck, the tools, the person and whatever else they can get, sell, or hold for money/ransom. That's just how it is. The guys that were killed were on the race course, where they shouldn't be. But that doesn't matter if you're a US citizen involved in an accident in Mexico, you are always at fault. Always flee and let your insurance company negotiate in your behalf. It's not the US, it's not how it should be, but it is, get over it.

"Justice" on the spot would have been ugly
Bad deal all around,
but they did what I would have done in a similar situation
Had the victims been injured, I would have stayed
When they were obviously deceased it served no purpose to stay and subject yourself to further abuse.

wilderone - 5-16-2018 at 07:49 AM

Wow. True colors. Unbeeffinglievable.

BajaTed - 5-16-2018 at 08:47 AM

Its napoleonic law in play all the time in Mexico. (guilty until proven innocent)
The race was run by a off road race sanction organization with the blessing of the federal & state gov't. The risks taken by ALL involved are historically KNOWN and assumed if your anywhere in proximity or participating.
Contact the race officials and make a truthful statement. End of your responsibilities that you as a racer PAID for to happen, after the statement, its on the sanction org to do the rest, they have the insurance policy.
Its RACING, death can and will occur.
I've been road track, club racing my Porsche for over 8 years, Bad chit happens to good people, I pray in the grid every time, full commitment or go home.

motoged - 5-16-2018 at 09:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone

Wow. True colors. Unbeeffinglievable.

Sad, isn't it ? ....but we live in a time where human decency is taking a beating ....

caj13 - 5-16-2018 at 10:32 AM

as someone who has first hand knowledge of an incident exactly like this in another race, they waited for the authorities, who follow procedure, and lock up the driver and navigator while they investigate. The team fly down a plane load of lawyers, guy was out of prison in 2 days, ended up paying for lots of specialized medical care for an injured, plus paying reparations etc.

made the best of an incredibly sad tragedy. Guys on the team not involved in the acccident , or directly interacting with the authorities they got all of their other equipment and their asses out of mexico fast!

basautter - 5-17-2018 at 05:51 AM

A true tragedy for everyone, especially the victims and their families....

Timinator - 5-17-2018 at 11:11 AM

Yea right, my "true colors" are showing through. BS. I help and continue to help LOTS of Mexicans in all ways. I have a house in Mexico and pay to bring a lot of stuff for the locals here. However, there is no "law" in Mexico with a set of finite rules, and until there is, I will not be abused by every Mexican official who can screw me over. Not going to happen. You'll see and you'll wipe the holier than thou attitude off your face quick when it happens to you in all your righteous glory.

SFandH - 5-17-2018 at 11:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

as someone who has first hand knowledge of an incident exactly like this in another race, they waited for the authorities, who follow procedure, and lock up the driver and navigator while they investigate. The team fly down a plane load of lawyers, guy was out of prison in 2 days, ended up paying for lots of specialized medical care for an injured, plus paying reparations etc.

Sounds like that is the proper procedure. Drivers and sponsors should know that this could happen and if they deem it to be an unacceptable risk, then stay out of the race.

rts551 - 5-17-2018 at 01:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed

Its napoleonic law in play all the time in Mexico. (guilty until proven innocent)
The race was run by a off road race sanction organization with the blessing of the federal & state gov't. The risks taken by ALL involved are historically KNOWN and assumed if your anywhere in proximity or participating.
Contact the race officials and make a truthful statement. End of your responsibilities that you as a racer PAID for to happen, after the statement, its on the sanction org to do the rest, they have the insurance policy.
Its RACING, death can and will occur.
I've been road track, club racing my Porsche for over 8 years, Bad chit happens to good people, I pray in the grid every time, full commitment or go home.

There is no blessing by the federal governement and your road track racing is in the USA where laws are a lot different.

rts551 - 5-17-2018 at 01:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner

And you had better be willing to not come back.

rts551 - 5-17-2018 at 01:22 PM

Yea right, my "true colors" are showing through. BS. I help and continue to help LOTS of Mexicans in all ways. I have a house in Mexico and pay to bring a lot of stuff for the locals here. However, there is no "law" in Mexico with a set of finite rules, and until there is, I will not be abused by every Mexican official who can screw me over. Not going to happen. You'll see and you'll wipe the holier than thou attitude off your face quick when it happens to you in all your righteous glory.

And if you leave the scene of an accident in all your righteous glory, you had better be willing to not come back... Talk about holier than thou.

JZ - 5-17-2018 at 08:01 PM

He should have stayed. b-tch move.

Team has money. Score has a plan for this. There is insurance for this stuff.

Only exception is if his life was in danger. Then go to the nearest police head quarters.

Timinator - 5-18-2018 at 07:52 AM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

And if you leave the scene of an accident in all your righteous glory, you had better be willing to not come back... Talk about holier than thou.

In Mexico there is no additional penalty for "leaving the scene". You get the hell out and let the Insurance Company deal with it. It's not the United States or Canada, this is Mexico. I'm not saying I think it's the right way things should be done, but it's how you have to protect yourself from abuse while in Mexico.

Timinator - 5-18-2018 at 07:57 AM

If you're sitting at stop sign or light in Mexico and a taxi or any other National looses control of their car and slams into you. You're at fault. Your insurance pays for their car and injuries, you'll hardly ever see a dime to fix you or your car. If they're injured bad or killed, you're at fault still. As a foreigner, you shouldn't have been there. That's how it's viewed. Which always makes it your fault.
You want to stick around for that kind of "justice" you help yourself. I wasn't raised that kind of fool.

David K - 5-18-2018 at 08:40 AM

If you're sitting at stop sign or light in Mexico and a taxi or any other National looses control of their car and slams into you. You're at fault. Your insurance pays for their car and injuries, you'll hardly ever see a dime to fix you or your car. If they're injured bad or killed, you're at fault still. As a foreigner, you shouldn't have been there. That's how it's viewed. Which always makes it your fault.
You want to stick around for that kind of "justice" you help yourself. I wasn't raised that kind of fool.

I would like to hear from Geoff at BajaBound on this. Remember, Mexico invites foreigners to tour their country, it is good for the economy. If true, your opinion is correct about getting out of there (and for most, never go back).

Paco Facullo - 5-18-2018 at 08:41 AM

It is universally viewed (if you are an American) that you are RICH , no matter how dressed down you try.
This is not only true in Mexico believe me , I am pretty well traveled.

This same view enables them to rip you off and not have a hint of remorse or wrongdoing....

They also know that " they will just buy another " and it's pretty much true.

Now I'm not complaining, simply stated a fact.
It has happened to me and will happen again, but not near as much as I have learned a lot.
It's simply part of the price for exploring strange and far off lands....

I just can't believe that a lot more bad things haven't happened to me as I love to go to the non-tourist "locals" side of towns...
Funny that the worst thing that happened to me was in Banos Ecuador. I was drugged with scopolamine and robbed by a Venezuelan woman .

Such is life.............

BajaTed - 5-18-2018 at 09:08 AM

There will be civil recourse in the States for the victims before there is any justice in Mexico. Can anyone say Non Disclosure Agreement.

If it was a mexican race driver, the victims would be shredded in the media for their stupidity.

Racing is life, the rest is boring. S. McQueen

TMW - 5-18-2018 at 12:01 PM

That is not exactly true. I've been in an accident where a Mexican ran off the hwy then back on and side swiped me. At La Rumorosa. The hwy Patrol was johnny on the spot taking the report. The kid admitted it was his fault. My Mexican insurance paid to have my truck fixed in San Diego, $6500.

willardguy - 5-18-2018 at 01:52 PM

I have list of banned businesses. I now add score, terrible herbst and monster energy, firms that aid and abet hit and runs and homocide,... so sad to see score allow racers to flee instead of manning up to life.

Never buy gasoline from a terrible herbst station!

well there goes the Herbst portfolio, look what you've done to Monster Energy!

so what do we know about this accident? everything. what do we know about what transpired after the accident?nothing.

SFandH - 5-18-2018 at 03:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy

what do we know about what transpired after the accident?nothing.

"The U.S. driver and his navigator left the scene about 15 minutes after the accident, driven away by members of their team, well before authorities arrived to investigate what happened, they said."

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-califor...

"The number 91 Trophy Truck of Ed Herbst reportedly lost control in a set of whoops and collided with the spectators"

http://www.off-road.com/blog/2018/04/09/trophy-truck-acciden...

Photos:

https://verazinforma.com/estatal/fatal-accidente-mueren-dos-...

Sounds like the driver is at fault.

If I were king, I'd ban these races. But that's just me.

I don't see any way you could protect the spectators from drivers that are unable to control their cars.

[Edited on 5-18-2018 by SFandH]

willardguy - 5-18-2018 at 04:04 PM

alot of assumptions being made here...both SCORE and the Herbst camp being very quiet ....how do we know the Herbst team's first stop wasn't to report in with the authorities in Valle de la Trinidad? which would have been proper protocol.
and no, the driver wasn't at fault here. both the family and friends of the victims that were there aren't faulting the driver, they're questioning what happened after the fact, which I thought was what the discussion is here?

[Edited on 5-18-2018 by willardguy]

SFandH - 5-18-2018 at 04:15 PM

Leaving the scene of the accident within 15 minutes is proper protocol?

I certainly don't know but I doubt it.

I fault the driver because of the report he lost control of his car, which is a fundamental mistake.

[Edited on 5-18-2018 by SFandH]

wilderone - 5-19-2018 at 08:34 AM

“SCORE Race Team Safety Guidelines – page 3
3) If the accident occurs during race weekend, contact the Weatherman using channel 151.625 and report the accident immediately as soon as it happened. Always have clear information of where the accident happened, including Race Mile KM marker, date and time, full details of what happened. If there are injuries or fatalities, and if you should require an ambulance or rescue to be dispatched to the scene of the accident. If you are not able to contact the Weatherman and there are injuries or fatalities, contact the insurance company at one of the above numbers.
4) Do not leave the scene of the accident and especially if there are injuries or fatalities: it is against Mexican laws. Leaving the scene of the accident will only make things worse.
5) Get the support of the Insurance Company adjustor as they will assist you with Legal advice and proper representation. It is imperative that this is done immediately after the accident. Complete accident report must be filled out as soon as you finish the event but it should be reported immediately.
IMPORTANT
In case of an accident or medical emergency in Mexico, call 066. …. “

SCORE COMPETITION REGULATIONS
CR 52 RADIO EQUIPMENT
All vehicles, motos and quads are required to have a VHF radio capable of operating on SCORE (Weatherman) race frequency 151.625. Alternate to VHF radio is satellite phone capable of contacting SCORE Operations.

GL4 All entrants must report all accidents and breakdowns they may have witnessed to the Race Official in charge at the next checkpoint the contestant reaches.

motoged - 5-19-2018 at 08:50 AM

Wilderone,
Well, with that info, the "facts" are there....and the emotional spin put on by the hit and run defenders will be creative. :no:

willardguy - 5-19-2018 at 08:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone

“SCORE Race Team Safety Guidelines – page 3
3) If the accident occurs during race weekend, contact the Weatherman using channel 151.625 and report the accident immediately as soon as it happened. Always have clear information of where the accident happened, including Race Mile KM marker, date and time, full details of what happened. If there are injuries or fatalities, and if you should require an ambulance or rescue to be dispatched to the scene of the accident. If you are not able to contact the Weatherman and there are injuries or fatalities, contact the insurance company at one of the above numbers.
4) Do not leave the scene of the accident and especially if there are injuries or fatalities: it is against Mexican laws. Leaving the scene of the accident will only make things worse.
5) Get the support of the Insurance Company adjustor as they will assist you with Legal advice and proper representation. It is imperative that this is done immediately after the accident. Complete accident report must be filled out as soon as you finish the event but it should be reported immediately.
IMPORTANT
In case of an accident or medical emergency in Mexico, call 066. …. “

SCORE COMPETITION REGULATIONS
CR 52 RADIO EQUIPMENT
All vehicles, motos and quads are required to have a VHF radio capable of operating on SCORE (Weatherman) race frequency 151.625. Alternate to VHF radio is satellite phone capable of contacting SCORE Operations.

GL4 All entrants must report all accidents and breakdowns they may have witnessed to the Race Official in charge at the next checkpoint the contestant reaches.

well this is what mexico says.
But Rosquillas, the civil protection chief, said that there can be extenuating circumstances in remote areas, where it can take a long time for authorities to respond, and racers involved in an accidents can become targets of angry spectators. In those cases, “I would go to the nearest police station and report the incident,” Rosquillas said. “The driver should show that he has no intention of evading the law,” he said.

Paco Facullo - 5-19-2018 at 09:00 AM

“I would go to the nearest police station and report the incident,”

But that is NOT what they did, did they?

They skadoodled out of the country post haste..

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by Paco Facullo]

chippy - 5-19-2018 at 09:11 AM

The last place you want to go is the local police station. They are the most corrupt mfers in Mexico. The feds are a little better but not much. An army or navy base would be best but not a reality (never conveniant). They did the smart thing. This aint kansas.

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by chippy]

motoged - 5-19-2018 at 09:16 AM

The last place you want to go is the local police station. They are the most corrupt mfers in Mexico. The feds are a little better but not much. An army or navy base would be best but not a reality (never conveniant). They did the smart thing. This aint kansas.

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by chippy]

That is the kind of spin I am not surprised to read here....can you imagine the response if a Mexican national did a hit and run stateside?

Criminals usually rationalize and justify their behaviour....cognitive distortions abound in such environments....

Paco Facullo - 5-19-2018 at 09:16 AM

I have to agree with ya there, chippy. ( except for the "They did the smart thing." part ) No one knows what the outcome would have been had they gone the Police station ??????

This is a vary bad situation that has NO good outcomes. Sad for all concerned.

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by Paco Facullo]

willardguy - 5-19-2018 at 09:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Paco Facullo

“I would go to the nearest police station and report the incident,”

But that is NOT what they did, did they?

They skadoodled out of the country post haste..

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by Paco Facullo]

thats exactly the assumption I speak of.....

motoged - 5-19-2018 at 09:21 AM

The last place you want to go is the local police station. .....This aint kansas.
[Edited on 5-19-2018 by chippy]

Time for Chuckie to say what would happen in Kansas in a hit and run situation...

willardguy - 5-19-2018 at 09:30 AM

well the desert racing community, mexico, or the herbst's has offered no details of what transpired after the accident....im sure glad bajanomad has a handle on this! :coolup:

wilderone - 5-19-2018 at 10:29 AM

That's what SCORE rules say when you sign up. The insurance policy that entrants also purchase likely states something similar. And then there's basic decency and morality. In this 2013 accident, the chase car, red cross, emergency vehicle and helicopters were on the scene within 3 minutes. As in the past, SCORE will not make statements except those that are defensive to the sport and that might impact their fame and bankroll; will not assist dead drivers or other victims. The safety guidelines for spectators are online and in English. Yes, accidents happen, but when drivers deliberately run through spectator areas and their canopies, with children screaming trying to get out of their way - that's something that should not be condoned as acceptable racing protocol. And did SCORE sanction them? The only thing that was ever thought about was if they'd get a penalty assessed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZa_7LVmiNE

"Scarpuzzi’s wife and two kids were watching the race. As the mother and her daughter stepped away from their area, three trucks rolled into their encampment.
“Our son was one of the kids being frantically shuffled away by my good friend,” she said. “What happened with BJ Baldwin, Robby Gordon and even the eventual winner, Rob MacCachren, was they didn’t get back over to the marked course early enough,” said McMillin. “Rob made it through after zig-zagging around multiple spectators’ vehicles, and lost quite a bit of time. BJ and Robby tried to come back to the marked course and BJ ended up having to go over someone’s e-z up (tent).”

On another video posted from a different angle, a kid could be heard screaming in Spanish. “Several drivers drove off course and took this access road to be able to drive faster.” Scarpuzzi said. “Once they got to the end of the road they tried to get back on course and thats when BJ decided to drive through the spectator area.” BJ posted the video on his Facebook and it read in part: “Thank you to those of you that cleared the way for me and allowed me to destroy your chairs, canopies and coolers to access the virtual checkpoint. Send me a direct message proving it was your camp, and I promise to replace them with even better [link deleted] canopies, chairs and coolers as well as a pallet of drinks to fill them with.”

del mar - 5-19-2018 at 10:50 AM

I notice the professional race teams that are also nomads are wisely keeping their distance on this one!......smart

chippy - 5-19-2018 at 11:00 AM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

That is the kind of spin I am not surprised to read here....can you imagine the response if a Mexican national did a hit and run states

Criminals usually rationalize and justify their behaviour....cognitive distortions abound in such environments....

I guess I should have added canada with kansas

JZ - 5-19-2018 at 11:49 AM

It's not like this is the first time that a fatal accident has occurred during a race.

What did the racers do then. What did the authorities in Mexico do.

No way I'm believing what Chippy and others are saying that MX is so corrupted and the best bet was to flee.

And Score's policy says they are full of sh#t too.

motoged - 5-19-2018 at 12:33 PM

....
I guess I should have added canada with kansas

Here ya go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit_and_run

Canada

Hit and run is defined in Canada as failure to stop at the scene of an accident under the Criminal Code[6] and is subject to a penalty of up to 5 years in prison.[7] If bodily harm or death is caused in the crash and the prosecution can prove that the accused was aware of the bodily harm or death, the maximum penalties are up to 10 years in prison or up to life imprisonment, respectively.[8]

For a person to be convicted of failure to stop at the scene of an accident, the prosecution must prove that the accused was aware of the crash, the accused voluntarily failed to stop and render assistance and the intent for failing to stop was to evade civil or criminal liability. While the prosecution bears the traditional criminal burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt, the accused is presumed to have intended to evade civil or criminal liability if the prosecution can prove the other elements of the offence.[9] This reverse onus has been held to be a justified limit under section 1 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.[10][11]

Canadians are also required to provide their name, address and license number in writing according to the Sec. 252 (1) of the Criminal Code. Depending on the provincial law other pieces of information may be requested like: insurance number and license plate. Car Insurance is mandatory in Canada.[12]

If the accused is also convicted of other offences in relation to the crash, then courts will often make the sentence for hit and run consecutive to the penalties for the other offences,[citation needed] the rationale being that hit and run is often committed with the intent of evading criminal or civil liability.

:light:

TMW - 5-19-2018 at 12:49 PM

JZ there have been a number of deaths during a SCORE race where a racer hit someone either another racer or spectator. Some left the country like Baldwin a few years back at a 500 race. Others will stop to help and someone will stay with the body. A motorcycle racer was run over by a Trophy Truck in a SF250 race, too dusty and couldn't see. As I recall the co-driver stayed and the driver went to the next check point to report it. Roger Norman ran over a motorcycle racer a few years ago before he bought SCORE. It was on the road up to Mikes. The guy lived and was a guest of Norman at the next race.

JZ - 5-19-2018 at 01:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

JZ there have been a number of deaths during a SCORE race where a racer hit someone either another racer or spectator. Some left the country like Baldwin a few years back at a 500 race. Others will stop to help and someone will stay with the body. A motorcycle racer was run over by a Trophy Truck in a SF250 race, too dusty and couldn't see. As I recall the co-driver stayed and the driver went to the next check point to report it. Roger Norman ran over a motorcycle racer a few years ago before he bought SCORE. It was on the road up to Mikes. The guy lived and was a guest of Norman at the next race.

Thx for the background Tom.

Are there examples where those who stayed were mistreated by MX officials as several are suggesting in this thread?

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by JZ]

del mar - 5-19-2018 at 01:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Thx for the background Tom.

Are there examples where those who stayed were mistreated by MX officials as several are suggesting in this thread?

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by JZ]

https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/score-san-felipe-2...

https://www.race-dezert.com/forum/threads/fysa-baja-road-dea...

[Edited on 5-19-2018 by del mar]

hermosok123 - 5-19-2018 at 01:45 PM

Having had a fatality accident in Baja and subsequently been arrested I know from where I speak that this was the procedure. Granted it may have changed in 20 years. I was rear ended by a bus and pushed into an oncoming station wagon with my Suburban. Restored 69. The female driver died. I went to jail insurance had lapsed. Spent a week in the state jail PGJ holding facility while the guards attempted to extort funds from me. Was able to hire a lawyer gratis though a family friend that was also the Derechos Humanos (spelling) director in Mexicali. No food for that week. My lawyer obtained my release (no mordida) got my wrecked vehicle back and got the charges dropped. Butt, if you kill another person in a MV accident you are liable for the loss of that families member and the monetary loss that it represented. They have a table that quantifies this. Point being that until you can show and the authorities have proof that you can pay the freight and meet the court appointments then you don't get to leave custody. Its why you pay for the legal rider on the Mex insurance policies. While I don't condone their actions till you are faced with jail time its hard to know what you would do in their circumstances.

rts551 - 5-19-2018 at 03:01 PM

Each one of us that drives in these races faces the possibility. It is why we have insurance. If you believe that Mexico is so crooked that you may be incarcerated for life, screwed out of your life savings, and have your first born taken away, you have no business being here.

chippy - 5-19-2018 at 03:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Each one of us that drives in these races faces the possibility. It is why we have insurance. If you believe that Mexico is so crooked that you may be incarcerated for life, screwed out of your life savings, and have your first born taken away, you have no business being here.

I guess you haven´t noticed that Mexicans will always flee the scene of an accident given the chance. I´ve seen it with taxis,bus drivers and regular joes. They know they will be screwed over by the corrupt cops. Its just the way it is. Move along. Nothing new here.

Paco Facullo - 5-19-2018 at 03:25 PM

Dee pOlice, day R not chur freend !!!!

mtgoat666 - 5-19-2018 at 03:38 PM

if racers and race teams are such wimps that they flee in fear rather than being honorable and law abiding, then the new advertising motto for monster energy is "monster energy, official drink of cowards!" and the new name and slogan of terrible herbst is "cowardly herbst: top tier gasoline from bottom tier cretins"

chippy - 5-19-2018 at 03:47 PM

if racers and race teams are such wimps that they flee in fear rather than being honorable and law abiding, then the new advertising motto for monster energy is "monster energy, official drink of cowards!" and the new name and slogan of terrible herbst is "cowardly herbst: top tier gasoline from bottom tier cretins"

wow how long did that take you to think up :rolleyes:

bajatrailrider - 5-19-2018 at 07:43 PM