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As usual another helpful comment from Pickaname.....How long did OJ walk free? Do you have a link?

OJ walked free for four days since the murder, and while he was a person of interest.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._J._Simpson_murder_case

Here is the whole time line:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/w...

BTW, Mark Fuhrman, the LAPD Detective was racist.

And "If It Doesn't Fit, You Must Acquit," and often words I live by.
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Again most high profile cases have news articles tied to the event, and if the perpetrators of the two homicides victims have been arrested, someone should alert, Sandra Dibble, of the "San Diego Union-Tribune," so she can look into this and then do a write up.

mtgoat666 - 8-1-2018 at 09:23 AM

Dont matter if victim is rich or poor, crimes are only investigated if a squeeky wheel applies pressure on cops. Same applies in usa or mexico or anywhere. To get law enforcement motivated, apply pressure, otherwise they will never leave the donut shop!

willardguy - 8-1-2018 at 09:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Dont matter if victim is rich or poor, crimes are only investigated if a squeeky wheel applies pressure on cops. Same applies in usa or mexico or anywhere. To get law enforcement motivated, apply pressure, otherwise they will never leave the donut shop!

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chuckie - 8-1-2018 at 09:54 AM

JJJ do you have a link to that timeline data? Who verified the exact times? What would have happened if OJ had only walked free for 3 1/2 days?

JoeJustJoe - 8-1-2018 at 10:22 AM

JJJ do you have a link to that timeline data? Who verified the exact times? What would have happened if OJ had only walked free for 3 1/2 days?

Yes, I have a link to the timeline data, and I provided with the information you're looking for that's relevant to the case. Exact time by hour and minutes, is only important to the actual murder scene, and not while OJ is a person of interest.

If OJ walked free for 3 1/2 days? Well, I don't deal with conjecture of "what if?" I just deal in facts and odds.
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Back to the BOLA case:

What I have noticed with high profile cases in Mexico, especially if it involves a gringo or a well known Mexican, is the Mexican police often or sometimes solve those crimes.

The vast majority of homicides, and crimes in Baja, go unsolved, and we often get one story in the local paper, and that's it. However, when there is an arrest, we often hear about it three to four weeks out, and after a month is the murder is not solved chances the murder(s) will be solved and lead to an arrest are almost nil.

But I'm a numbers players, and I often play the odds.

I think too much time has gone by and I don't think the BOLA murders crime will be solved, but I could be wrong on rare occasions.

[Edited on 8-1-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

chuckie - 8-1-2018 at 10:34 AM

What criminologist said time to the hour and minute is not important? Would you please provide us with his/her's name and link to their CV? Statisticly how many times have you been wrong out a 1000? Provide substantiating data! Were they American citizens?

JoeJustJoe - 8-1-2018 at 10:53 AM

What criminologist said time to the hour and minute is not important? Would you please provide us with his/her's name and link to their CV? Statisticly how many times have you been wrong out a 1000? Provide substantiating data! Were they American citizens?

Sorry Chuckie, I reached my weekly limit of free questions I could answer, and any more question, I will have to charge you $10 dollars a question, and I need the money before I answer. I do take Paypal,and I posted my real name before.

chuckie - 8-1-2018 at 11:44 AM

Actually, what you are saying is..you cant verify any of your statements. I cant remember what name you used when last you claimed as yours?..Please provide it again with some verification.
AND you REALLY need to get an English language spell checker....

JoeJustJoe - 8-1-2018 at 01:59 PM

Actually, what you are saying is..you cant verify any of your statements. I cant remember what name you used when last you claimed as yours?..Please provide it again with some verification.
AND you REALLY need to get an English language spell checker....

You are entitled to your own opinions.

Chuckie, I would ask where you bought your English language spell checker from, but from looking at some of your writing examples, it must be in the shop again.

chuckie - 8-1-2018 at 06:56 PM

How would you know?

bajatrailrider - 8-2-2018 at 06:46 AM

The Baja Blow hard at there best.

chuckie - 8-2-2018 at 06:53 AM

AND! Now that you joined in, triple the BS factor!

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2018 at 07:05 AM

I'm just waiting for more information from 4Baja's, shocker that at least one of the perpetrators of the murders in BOLA is in custody, and the other is still walking around, while they built a case against him.

I'm also wondering why the local and US media isn't jumping all over this story?
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4Baja wrote:"the cops and the people in town know who committed these murders, one of the pricks is in jail now and there building a case against the others. what I cant figure out is why there still walking around the streets of BOLA and not in jail pending."

DawnPatrol - 8-2-2018 at 07:42 AM

yes, 4Baja.... where are you getting this info?

rts551 - 8-2-2018 at 08:15 AM

Sure is nice to get all the recent news on these murders.

David K - 8-2-2018 at 08:59 AM

People who live there are exchanging emails on the murder update news and have asked everyone to not go public to protect the investigation (bad guys read the Internet, too).

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2018 at 09:10 AM

David K, Deputy Barney Fife, might fall for that one, but I have to admit, I'm having a hard time going along with your line of reasoning David, for a number of reasons, but then again I have been surprised before.

So then perhaps when the other shoe drops and the other suspected is arrested, will we hear something from the media?

Skipjack Joe - 8-2-2018 at 09:11 AM

People who live there are exchanging emails on the murder update news and have asked everyone to not go public to protect the investigation (bad guys read the Internet, too).

Yes, but the public exposure keeps the heat on. It’s what keeps the investigators investigating. The perpetrators would like nothing more than for this to go silent.

[Edited on 8-2-2018 by Skipjack Joe]

David K - 8-2-2018 at 09:17 AM

Joe and Igor, this is not my idea... I am just letting you know their request and why Steve or other residents are not broadcasting updates on the investigation.

rts551 - 8-2-2018 at 09:27 AM

rumor mill?

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2018 at 09:48 AM

Regarding another rumor mill, I 'm reading at a dubious Facebook site, who is quoting a well regarded Mexican lawyer, Rafael Solozano, who is also on "Talk Baja" that Jo Anne Butler and Ray Ball, who were murdered in BOLA, apparently didn't have a will, and some ex-pats have taken over the property, and other ex-pats are breaking and entering the property and scavenging the estates belongings, and get this...... they do it during the day in front of Mexican authorities!

According to Rafael Solozono, he along with other law abiding expats have reported this to the district attorney.

If true, it doesn't sound like the locals are actually concerned about catching the American ex-pat killers, as they are concerned about looting the property.

So I wonder, if they are all keeping quiet so the real killers could be caught, or is there another reason why they are keeping quiet from the media?

Again, I saw the posting by Rafael Solozono, posted on a dubious Facebook site, but I believe it's a real post by Rafael, because the dubious site does at times post accurate information, as long as it's bad news. I believe Rafael, may have posted it on "Talk Baja," or another Baja site, and I would ask Ron, if he is around, to verify the posting is indeed from Rafael, the Mexican lawyer..

[Edited on 8-2-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

rts551 - 8-2-2018 at 10:28 AM

Regarding another rumor mill, I 'm reading at a dubious Facebook site, who is quoting a well regarded Mexican lawyer, Rafael Solozano, who is also on "Talk Baja" that Jo Anne Butler and Ray Ball, who were murdered in BOLA, apparently didn't have a will, and some ex-pats have taken over the property, and other ex-pats are breaking and entering the property and scavenging the estates belongings, and get this...... they do it during the day in front of Mexican authorities!

According to Rafael Solozono, he along with other law abiding expats have reported this to the district attorney.

If true, it doesn't sound like the locals are actually concerned about catching the American ex-pat killers, as they are concerned about looting the property.

So I wonder, if they are all keeping quiet so the real killers could be caught, or is there another reason why they are keeping quiet from the media?

Again, I saw the posting by Rafael Solozono, posted on a dubious Facebook site, but I believe it's a real post by Rafael, because the dubious site does at times post accurate information, as long as it's bad news. I believe Rafael, may have posted it on "Talk Baja," or another Baja site, and I would ask Ron, if he is around, to verify the posting is indeed from Rafael, the Mexican lawyer..

[Edited on 8-2-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

You need to get your facts straight, as usual. The Name is Rafael Solorzano. He is a well respected Mexican attorney. His Facebook page is far from dubious. It is there to help expats in immigration and property acquisition.

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2018 at 10:46 AM

I'm sorry, I missed the "r" in Rafael Solorzano,'s name, I'm having a hard time reading my cell phone without my reading glasses.

I know Rafael Solorzano, is a well respected Mexican lawyer, and I wasn't impinging on Rafael's character and reputation. I also didn't see that post I was talking about on Rafael's Facebook site.

What I saw was a Photoshop image, of a post by the Mexican attorney, Rafael Solorzano, posted on a negative Baja Facebook site, that I personally consider dubious, but at the same time, the site I'm talking about usually do post accurate quotes, if it helps their agenda, and I believe Rafael Solorzono, made the post, accusing some BOLA ex-pats of breaking and entering the property/estate of Jo Anne Butler and Ray Ball, and scavenging some of the belongings.

I'm hoping that Ron, from "Talk Baja" can verify if that posting was from the Mexican lawyer, although there are many Baja sites, the Mexican lawyer, may have written the post on another site to not offend ex-pats.

Do you understand now RTS555? Can I make it anymore clear?

rts551 - 8-2-2018 at 11:40 AM

I'm sorry, I missed the "r" in Rafael Solorzano,'s name, I'm having a hard time reading my cell phone without my reading glasses.

I know Rafael Solorzano, is a well respected Mexican lawyer, and I wasn't impinging on Rafael's character and reputation. I also didn't see that post I was talking about on Rafael's Facebook site.

What I saw was a Photoshop image, of a post by the Mexican attorney, Rafael Solorzano, posted on a negative Baja Facebook site, that I personally consider dubious, but at the same time, the site I'm talking about usually do post accurate quotes, if it helps their agenda, and I believe Rafael Solorzono, made the post, accusing some BOLA ex-pats of breaking and entering the property/estate of Jo Anne Butler and Ray Ball, and scavenging some of the belongings.

I'm hoping that Ron, from "Talk Baja" can verify if that posting was from the Mexican lawyer, although there are many Baja sites, the Mexican lawyer, may have written the post on another site to not offend ex-pats.

Do you understand now RTS555? Can I make it anymore clear?

Why not just go look on his page?

charliemanson - 8-2-2018 at 07:24 PM

it is over. it happens. move on. just like the Larry guy who ran into the wrong people in la Ventana. chit happens and nothing else. move on and watch out for yours and your families.

Try, for the first thing....get off the gossip sites and go check your shi...

just sayin;

Like I just said...better go check my shi..

gnukid - 8-2-2018 at 09:21 PM

True, enjoy the beauty, be present, have fun, be aware.

Hook - 8-3-2018 at 08:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

True, enjoy the beauty, be present, have fun, be aware.

I cant think of a better way of "being aware", if you are away from your property, than getting info from a message board used by your neighbors.

Of course, you have to be able to weed through jackweeds like JJJ.

But weeds make themselves evident pretty quickly. They do really well in a nice, rich manure base.

Separating the seed from the chaff has always been a challenge in human history. Moreso in this age of digital disinformation.

JZ - 8-3-2018 at 09:44 AM

Quote: Originally posted by charliemanson

it is over. it happens. move on. just like the Larry guy who ran into the wrong people in la Ventana. chit happens and nothing else. move on and watch out for yours and your families.

Try, for the first thing....get off the gossip sites and go check your shi...

just sayin;

Like I just said...better go check my shi..

F that. I want the bastards strung up.

JoeJustJoe - 8-3-2018 at 10:45 AM

So Hook, thinks JJJ is a jackweed?

Why because I don't go along with very suspect posts like these?

That's it.....I have given this enough time.

I'm calling BS, that at least one of the suspected murderers of the two American ex-pats killed in BOLA, has been caught, while someone is building the case against the other alleged suspect, and that many American ex-pats in BOLA, have been exchanging emails but they are not going public because the bad guys read the internet too. Yeah right!

What I'm interested who believes this story, and who believes it's just more gossip, and largely made up stories?

Quote: Originally posted by 4baja

the cops and the people in town know who committed these murders, one of the pricks is in jail now and there building a case against the others. what I cant figure out is why there still walking around the streets of BOLA and not in jail pending :?:

People who live there are exchanging emails on the murder update news and have asked everyone to not go public to protect the investigation (bad guys read the Internet, too).

John Harper - 8-3-2018 at 11:38 AM

How do the "bad guys" read other people's private emails? Nothing disinfects like sunshine, why would they play "secret squirrel" about something like a murder?

John

David K - 8-3-2018 at 12:07 PM

"Not to go public" means to not share emails or details on Internet forums, like Baja Nomad. Anyone can read Baja Nomad.

I was just trying to give the reason why that they asked for silence for those of you who needed an answer, that's all.

chuckie - 8-3-2018 at 12:11 PM

DK!..our HERO!

JoeJustJoe - 8-6-2018 at 06:49 AM

"Not to go public" means to not share emails or details on Internet forums, like Baja Nomad. Anyone can read Baja Nomad.

I was just trying to give the reason why that they asked for silence for those of you who needed an answer, that's all.

Yes David K, I understand that you are just passing along information, but because you are passing along such explosive information, which looks to me to be nothing but rumor, gossip, and chisme.

The mere fact you are repeating such a dubious claim, you are putting your reputation on the line because you are a long time member of "Baja Nomad" and many or some members respect what you say, and it's like you're implying you actually believe one suspect of the Jo Anne Butler and Ray Ball, killers have been arrested, and the other is still walking around town, while the Mexican authorities are gathering evidence, and the ex-pats in BOLA, are trading emails discussing the impending arrest of the second suspect.

Yet to date there is no news of any arrests, impending arrests, or even one shred of evidence of any arrest or impending arrest.

chuckie - 8-6-2018 at 07:12 AM

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!Watch your image DK!

David K - 8-6-2018 at 07:23 AM

LOL, okay chuckie!

I don't have to be in the loop on L.A. Bay to see the obvious and know that Mexico operates on its own rules of life. I was just sharing what was obvious to me for those here who don't seem to have a clue that Mexico is a different country with different customs on dealing with crime.

If you are scared, stay away.
If you want to know, as a local, in person.
If you want to enjoy Baja, go!

It can't be more dangerous than most American cities!

Finchaser2020 - 8-6-2018 at 11:11 AM

It is not more dangerous than this headline today...

"At least 71 shot, 12 killed in Chicago over violent summer weekend, police department says"

rts551 - 8-6-2018 at 11:19 AM

I don't know why people continue to try and compare Baja to the USA.. First of all they are different, culturally, legally, geographically.. Second of all I care about what happens on the peninsula since I live here, not Chicago.

SFandH - 8-6-2018 at 11:57 AM

Exactly! And the important information is how much the cartel gang violence is spilling over to baja gringo victims, tourists or residents. What goes on elsewhere doesn't make any difference at all to my Baja travel plans.

[Edited on 8-6-2018 by SFandH]

chuckie - 8-6-2018 at 12:37 PM

Yah Mans....Don't be scares....Keep every thing in perceptive....... :?:

JoeJustJoe - 8-6-2018 at 01:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Finchaser2020

It is not more dangerous than this headline today...

"At least 71 shot, 12 killed in Chicago over violent summer weekend, police department says"

I would agree with you Finchaser, but you have to be careful with your statistics because fear mongers, alarmists, and scaredy cat, will quickly point out to you that Chicago has a population of 2.7 million and Cabo, has a population of 300,000, and BOLA has 100 gringo ex-pats.( now 3 murders this past year)

They will tell you that Cabo is the most dangerous city in the world, and if they could figure out the math, they will tell you that BOLA is even more DANGEROUS than Cabo, the most dangerous city in the world, based on homocides per 100,000!

They will also tell you don't compare Chicago to any Mexican city, although they will personally always be comparing the US to Mexico, and then come away telling you that the US is superior to Mexico.

rts551 - 8-6-2018 at 01:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Finchaser2020

It is not more dangerous than this headline today...

"At least 71 shot, 12 killed in Chicago over violent summer weekend, police department says"

Silly boy. Most people I know that actually live in Mexico find it superior to the USA.

redmercury - 8-6-2018 at 02:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Silly boy. Most people I know that actually live in Mexico find it superior to the USA.

Isn't that an example of sampling bias? One would think that the people who find Mexico inferior to the USA would have moved back to the USA.

hermosok123 - 8-6-2018 at 03:01 PM

There you have it RM. I'm a goin right friggin now. Just scared out of my wits! Adios all!

rts551 - 8-6-2018 at 06:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by redmercury

Quote: Originally posted by rts551

Silly boy. Most people I know that actually live in Mexico find it superior to the USA.

Isn't that an example of sampling bias? One would think that the people who find Mexico inferior to the USA would have moved back to the USA.

Don't know..There are some whiners in Mexico. You have to ask Joe. First you have to figure out who the "they" are.

[Edited on 8-7-2018 by rts551]

JoeJustJoe - 8-8-2018 at 11:37 AM

Can we now put to bed the rumor, that the murderers of Jo Anne Butler and Ray Ball, have been arrested or are the verge of being arrested, and just believe at this point it's unlikely the killer(s) will ever be caught, despite what the wild rumors say?

Quote: Originally posted by 4baja

People who live there are exchanging emails on the murder update news and have asked everyone to not go public to protect the investigation (bad guys read the Internet, too).

Mateo-Feo - 9-20-2018 at 08:21 PM

The murder made the San Diego Reader. Odd but good to be raising awareness. We just left there and the Marines had made quite a presence. Checkpoints in town and a checkpoint at the turn off from the Mex 1. They also called Bahia “Baja Sur” so take the article with a grain of salt. I hope nobody takes this as insensitivity but there is Dorado under the military ship in the bay. Just an FYI https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sandiegoreader.com/news/201...

chuckie - 9-21-2018 at 06:23 AM

Anyone ever arrested for these murders?

JoeJustJoe - 9-21-2018 at 10:42 AM

Interesting, article "Devil in the Bay of Angeles, by Eva Knott, in "San Diego Reader, but keep in mind, the San Diego Reader, is mostly made up wannabee newspaper reporters, who write for a hobby, or perhaps in hopes a real newspaper sees their work, and hires them as a paid free lance reporter.

Eva Knott, seems to cover court cases in San Diego and Baja, especially if an incident, involved an animal like a dog. I think because the Dog was killed in the Ray Ball, and Jo Anne Butler, double homocide, it might have motivated her to write the article.

Although, I found the article interesting, Eva Knott, seems to lack professionalism of a real journalist, the way she kept mentioning Eddie, as her main character in her article like it was a screen play, and at the end of the day, the article is full of rumor, and seems designed to want to scare American Tourists, about Baja, by making it seem like everybody in BOLA is scared over this one deadly incident.

There is another article with a little more credibility than the "San Diego Reader, "that mentions another possibility motivation of the murder of Ray Ball, and Jo Anne Butler, and in the article, they believe they know who the real murderers are?????

If I find the article again I will re-post it soon, and if others read the same article, feel free to post and translate the article so I don't have to.

It could also be the reason so many emails were being exchanged among the ex-pats in BOLA about knowing who the murderers are, but most didn't say a peep in public about the latest allegation going around.

[Edited on 9-21-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

Alm - 9-21-2018 at 12:52 PM

Anyone ever arrested for these murders?

No. Their jefe was, not clear what he had to do with this, but the authorities were keeping a tab on him for a while and this incident was a good excuse.
Names of suspects have been published. That's all.

chuckie - 9-21-2018 at 02:29 PM

So? Business as usual, shamefully.....

Hook - 9-21-2018 at 02:37 PM

Interesting, article "Devil in the Bay of Angeles, by Eva Knott, in "San Diego Reader, but keep in mind, the San Diego Reader, is mostly made up wannabee newspaper reporters, who write for a hobby, or perhaps in hopes a real newspaper sees their work, and hires them as a paid free lance reporter.

Eva Knott, seems to cover court cases in San Diego and Baja, especially if an incident, involved an animal like a dog. I think because the Dog was killed in the Ray Ball, and Jo Anne Butler, double homocide, it might have motivated her to write the article.

Although, I found the article interesting, Eva Knott, seems to lack professionalism of a real journalist, the way she kept mentioning Eddie, as her main character in her article like it was a screen play, and at the end of the day, the article is full of rumor, and seems designed to want to scare American Tourists, about Baja, by making it seem like everybody in BOLA is scared over this one deadly incident.

There is another article with a little more credibility than the "San Diego Reader, "that mentions another possibility motivation of the murder of Ray Ball, and Jo Anne Butler, and in the article, they believe they know who the real murderers are?????

If I find the article again I will re-post it soon, and if others read the same article, feel free to post and translate the article so I don't have to.

It could also be the reason so many emails were being exchanged among the ex-pats in BOLA about knowing who the murderers are, but most didn't say a peep in public about the latest allegation going around.

[Edited on 9-21-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

So, we should discount these legitimate journalists who do this for a living, and believe YOU on an internet message board?

Got it. :rolleyes:

woody with a view - 9-21-2018 at 02:37 PM

Whaddaya mean chuckles? They investigated. They snatched three guys and pinned the murders on these guys. Perhaps one of the weapons seized was used in the shootings and this will come out at trial.

Alm - 9-21-2018 at 03:15 PM

It was in Zeta magazine. 3 gunmen were named as "probably responsible" for this murder. Also - their boss "El Tekolin". There is a warrant for El Tecolin - for previous crimes, it sounded like the got him now though wasn't really clear. 3 "enforcers" were not arrested, as I recall. This was a totoaba trafficking operation, very popular now with dry totoaba bladders going for several thousand dollars in China.

[Edited on 9-21-2018 by Alm]

mtgoat666 - 9-21-2018 at 05:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm

It was in Zeta magazine. 3 gunmen were named as "probably responsible" for this murder. Also - their boss "El Tekolin". There is a warrant for El Tecolin - for previous crimes, it sounded like the got him now though wasn't really clear. 3 "enforcers" were not arrested, as I recall. This was a totoaba trafficking operation, very popular now with dry totoaba bladders going for several thousand dollars in China.

[Edited on 9-21-2018 by Alm]

Here is recent zeta news about arrest of El tekolin. Didn’t mention anything about link to bola murders

http://zetatijuana.com/2018/09/cae-el-parra-principal-operad...

JoeJustJoe - 9-21-2018 at 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Hook

So, we should discount these legitimate journalists who do this for a living, and believe YOU on an internet message board?

Got it. :rolleyes:

In a word, yes, you should discount an article from the "San Diego Reader," and I don't think most free lance writers who turn in article for the "San Diego Reader, are legitimate journalists, but if they're lucky, and their article makes the "San Diego Reader , they usually get $100 dollars for their efforts.

There is also the fact somebody is wrong about the motivations for the murders in BOLA, as there are now two theories. Among the posts at "Baja Nomad," the San Diego Reader, and early police reports, was the motivation for the murders, was simple robbery of the boat by a couple of Mexican drug junkies, Ray Ball, tried to confront.

The new theory, supposedly from investigating reporting, is what Alm, talked about, but he was short on detail and links.

It's now alleged it was a 'hit" on the two Americans, Ray, and Jo, and it involved a Mexican cartel boss, El Tekolin, who ordered the hit, by two of his workers, and it was over totoaba trafficking, and snitching

The Goat, almost got it right, but he links the wrong article from "Zeta."

Zeta, has a great reputation and some of their journalists have been killed reporting on cartel activity, but I have personally watched from a distance "Zeta" posting word for word, some self serving article an ex-pat phoned in about his personal dispute, against a friend of mine. I was in shocked when I saw the finished article from Zeta, that was essentially the same phoned in article that was sent to them.

So I don't take what "Zeta" says as gospel either, but it's sure better than the " San Diego Reader."

JoeJustJoe - 9-21-2018 at 08:05 PM

Here are highlights from the Zeta article, where they mention three Mexican men, as being probably responsible for the murders of Ray Bell, and Jo Anne Butler.

If you recall a few posts back some "Baja Nomad' member, claimed the arrest of two people was imminent, and I waited for a couple days to hear about the arrest and then nothing. So I called BS, because this would have been big news, and all over the media.

Could this be possibly what they were talking about, and they were just scared to say anything about "El Tekolin, and those that work for him? No brave ex-pats or brave Mexicans, willing to speak out?

Then again, it seems like Zeta, and Mexican officials, want to pin something on El Tekolin????? I just don't know, because there is still the fact, the boat looks like somebody was trying to steal it.
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Mario Ibarra Lugo "El Piri", and two other men identified with the nicknames of "El Jarocho" and "El Wily", make up the armed wing of Óscar Parra Aispuro "El Tekolin", who, according to state researchers, is behind of the attempted execution of the children of former Ministerial Police Commander, Adán Uribe Herrara, and is probably responsible for the murder of two Americans in Bahía de los Ángeles.
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El Tekolín" criminally controls from San Felipe to Bahía de los Ángeles, it is even reported that he executed a soldier on December 30, 2017. Parra is a fugitive, and according to information from the investigators, he would have undergone plastic surgery. to change its face and evade justice.
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n relation to the murder of the Americans Ray Ball, 72 years old and Jo Anne Butler, 69, despite the fact that the first investigations indicate that it was a robbery, information gathered by ZETA could link hired assassins close to Parra Aispuro, after the Americans tried to warn about the illegal fishing of totoaba in the area.
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From Zeta the whole article:

Parra en atentados contra PEP y Ministerial

http://zetatijuana.com/2018/09/parra-en-atentados-contra-pep...

[Edited on 9-22-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

SFandH - 9-21-2018 at 08:50 PM

n relation to the murder of the Americans Ray Ball, 72 years old and Jo Anne Butler, 69, despite the fact that the first investigations indicate that it was a robbery, information gathered by ZETA could link hired assassins close to Parra Aispuro, after the Americans tried to warn about the illegal fishing of totoaba in the area.

Do a google search on "Parra Aispuro". Lots of recent news.

JoeJustJoe - 9-22-2018 at 09:04 AM

David K, when there were rumors in this thread earlier about a possible arrest of the alleged killers, of Ray Ball, and Jo Anne Butler, were El Piri, El Jarocho, and El Wily, the alleged suspects, where the article claims they work for El Tekolin, the alleged Mexican cartel, totoaba hunter, who operates in the Baja waters, or was the rumor about somebody else?

It's amazing how silent this thread has gone, when at first it was going gangbusters with all kinds of different wild rumors.

Quote: Originally posted by 4baja

People who live there are exchanging emails on the murder update news and have asked everyone to not go public to protect the investigation (bad guys read the Internet, too).

[Edited on 9-22-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

...as of yesterday "El Parra" was set free...

carlosg - 9-22-2018 at 09:35 AM