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Drinking Water in Baja

bajabound888 - 9-5-2018 at 09:10 PM

Hello Veterans, I have a few questions on drinking water throughout Baja.

1. I read that potable water can be purchased in bulk at "Oxxos?" What is the source of the water and do you need to bring your own container? Are these Gas stations or supermarkets?

2. Can bottled water be found anywhere? what is the "brand" of water , nestle, dasani, evian etc.. or local brands ?

3. Should all water be suspect whether it's bottled or bulk and be filtered or UV'd before drinking?

Thanks!

David K - 9-5-2018 at 09:20 PM

Bottled water is sold at all stores. It is fine.

Oxxo is like a 7-11 or Circle K. Often next to gas stations.

Nothing to suspect... bottled water around the world is good otherwise people with sensitive stomachs would never travel.

Bring a flat of water from Costco in your vehicle. I never drink all the water I bring on my trips... the beer in Mexico is just too good!

David K - 9-5-2018 at 09:41 PM

Oh, welcome to Baja Nomad!:light::bounce:

bajabound888 - 9-5-2018 at 09:52 PM

Thank You David, I've been reading your contributions to this forum and they are absolutely amazing! Are there any book stores in San Diego where I can pickup your recently updated Missions book?

David K - 9-5-2018 at 10:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabound888  
Thank You David, I've been reading your contributions to this forum and they are absolutely amazing! Are there any book stores in San Diego where I can pickup your recently updated Missions book?


Yes...
Discover Baja Travel Club (sells books to non-members). Make sure it is the 5th printing. Several other book dealers as well. Sunbelt Publications in El Cajon, too...
or I can drop an autographed copy in the mail. Order from www.oldmissions.com (free shipping, no tax added).

Thank you!

bajabound888 - 9-5-2018 at 10:17 PM

Thanks, I guess Ill pick one up at Sunbelt as I don't think it would arrive here (Toronto) before I leave in a few days.

David K - 9-5-2018 at 11:27 PM

Amazon and Barnes and Noble. com are other sources. If you will be in San Diego County for a short time, Discover Baja, Sunbelt, and other sources are possible... perhaps I can hand one to you directly? Thank you for your interest.

water dispensers

John M - 9-6-2018 at 05:21 AM

You will encounter water dispensing machines in many smaller markets and at other places. We used to take our 1 & 5 gallon containers in and refill them. Way less expensive than buying sealed gallons. Then after a comment by another "Baja Nomad" that brought the cleanliness and sanitary condition of the dispenser into question, we stopped doing that. Get your ice in bags, they clearly say agua pura - stay away from block ice you can sometimes get in bulk - not packaged.

my two cents worth.

John M

SFandH - 9-6-2018 at 05:33 AM

Just about all towns will have an "aqua purificada" store that sells drinking water purified by a reverse osmosis process done right there at the store. Bring your own reusable containers or buy them there.

Buying water in throwaway plastic bottles just adds to the plastic trash problem.

The stores usually have ice too.

Cheapest and most environmentally friendly way to go.

[Edited on 9-6-2018 by SFandH]

bajabuddha - 9-6-2018 at 05:53 AM

Also if a 5 gallon bottle is to cumbersome there are water stores here in the U.S. that sell 3 gallon jugs; less tedious than 1 gallons and easier to schlepp around. I travelled with 3 of 'em.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_10?url=search-alia...

[Edited on 9-6-2018 by bajabuddha]

mtgoat666 - 9-6-2018 at 06:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  

bottled water around the world is good...

Bring a flat of water from Costco in your vehicle.


Please don’t buy or use disposable water bottles. So wasteful!

Buy a 3- or 5-gal jug. Fill it at home or at Aqua purificada store, and use it to refill a re-useable 1 quart drinking water bottle.

“Several recent reports indicate the dire global situation associated with the world's plastic use. Two statistics jump out immediately. One, that globally humans buy a million plastic bottles per minute. The second, 91% of all plastic is not recycled.”

“Most plastic, bottles included, ends up in either the ocean or in a landfill.” Especially true in baja, where waste is dumped in open canyons and fields (not a landfill with daily cover), and big storms wash trash out to sea.

“It is estimated that by 2050 the ocean will contain more plastic by weight than fish. The plastic that finds its way into the oceans inevitably will pose a risk of ingestion by sea birds, fish, marine mammals, etc. It's not uncommon to see articles of sea life found dead with significant amounts of plastic in their stomach.”



PaulW - 9-6-2018 at 06:57 AM

Use care in buying the bottled water some are just filtered and other use reverse osmosis process. Filter water does not remove dissolved solids. The places where you fill your own bottle use RO process.

tobianogreg - 9-6-2018 at 07:24 AM

Recently picked up a tds tester from amazon as I wanted to check the efficiency of our fridge water filter.

https://www.filtersfast.com/HM-Digital-TDS-EZ-Filter-Tester....

Results have been interesting. Turns out our tap water is better quality than bottled (located in Canada). Also, installing a new fridge filter added tds short term, no diff from tap water long term.

sancho - 9-6-2018 at 07:51 AM

Good point on the plastic trash, Baja has enough of that.
Being a responsible traveller is good, don't need visitors
bringing and leaving plastic behind.
I also use the 3 gal jug, water is in the $.20 cents a gal
range at the RO water filtration places, the locals use them


[Edited on 9-6-2018 by sancho]

tiotomasbcs - 9-6-2018 at 08:13 AM

Oxxo is like seven eleven and connected with Pemex gasoline. Lot's of independent,local water dealers..ask them about their filtering/reverse osmossis. Buy local. If you're flying in and staying at big hotel...well that's different. Cabo is loaded with big box Supermarkets.

David K - 9-6-2018 at 09:31 AM

As I said, drink beer... of course, it comes in cans or bottles and that may freak a few Nomads out, too?

willardguy - 9-6-2018 at 09:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
As I said, drink beer... of course, it comes in cans or bottles and that may freak a few Nomads out, too?


hey at least the cans are recyclable, with mexico being the largest consumer of plastic water bottles in the world why be part of the problem :?:

AKgringo - 9-6-2018 at 09:57 AM

And the ice cubes in your c-cktail or tea are probably safe too....probably!

David K - 9-6-2018 at 09:58 AM

Why aren't the plastic bottles recyclable in Mexico,? Are you sure? I crush mine and bring them to a recycling center. If you can bring a full container to camp, there is no reason you can't bring an empty container home.

BajaMama - 9-6-2018 at 10:31 AM

DK, it's better overall to not use plastic if you don't have to! Much better to fill a 5 gallon bottle and refill as needed, and significantly cheaper.

gnukid - 9-6-2018 at 10:35 AM

Drinking water is a concern in Baja. In general, you should never drink from the faucet anywhere unless you know the source is healthy, nor accept water in a glass that you don't know the source of as healthy water. Drinking public water has shown to be a health concern in some areas of Baja. Mining pollution is a concern that causes issues with public water systems. Because of concerns and lack of water, some Mexicans are reluctant to drink a ton of water like North Americans do and prefer to drink store bought individual drinks or store bought individual bottled water.

There are 3 common types of water purification, filter, RO and distillation. Many sources of drinking water such as purificadas exist in every town and there are distributors of water by car many times a day on every street and most campgrounds that honk their horn or play a song to let you know it's time to give your old bottle and replace for a filled bottle. Some cities have a public free distilled water outlets intended for one garafon a day, it's considered rude if a gringo in a camper pulls up to a public distilled water dispenser and fills their camper-please don't do that. Stores may have refill for 8 peso special one day a week or 12-15 pesos for a garafon exchange. In places like Cabo or Los Barriles they may try to charge 30-40 pesos for a garafon exchange while the national average is 12-15 pesos. Typically you pay 50 pesos deposit for a "garafon" or 5 gallon plastic bottle and you exchange this bottle or refill it.

To dispense the water for drinking you can buy various hand pumps or turn it upside into a dispenser to use gravity to dispense. Gringo people in campers often rig elaborate 12v pumps to pump the water inside and out plus shower. I know of some people who filter their own water from gas station street dispensers or any public source of street water with their own filtration and RO unit. Marinas often have good water free for boaters. The costs are high for a true filtration system with RO at home or your camper or boat. Some dispensers claim to sell water at different ph or one variety more alkaline than the other. There is also true spring raw water sometimes available.

Ultimately the question is what do you want? Most water sold through shops is probably street water just filtered through 3 various finer filters with pores 1 micron or less, and it usually tastes fine but it's not perfect and you are not sure about quantity of e-coli and minerals or harmful elements probably similar to most city water in USA. I have never suffered any issue from this type of water yet. True distilled water has no mineral qualities left and while clean, you may want to supplement minerals in distilled water, though, you get minerals from organic food sources. See links below about risks of types of water purification.

My personal philosophy is mix up high quality sources. Don't use the same source and don't use only RO or distilled and supplement water with minerals and lime squeeze. Choose a purificada carefully with a water processing area in view and when it's not crowded politely ask them to show you the system and explain what they do, then use that company to refill multiple clean garafons that you manage and keep clean and try to mix it up from other reliable sources, and use established sources of water like national brands in larger stores, use a passive or forced water filter, freeze water first for example fill small water bottles and place in the freezer then use that for daily coolers at the beach and drink that water later if possible then supplement with fresh lime or orange squeeze.

I'm reminded of my friend Jay Valentine, the Baja pioneer, who insisted on carrying a case of glass bottles which he hand filtered water fro chosen sources through a military hand press filter. He said the filtering, the exercise and the glass storage improved his health. He is quite healthy and active today at 84.

Be especially careful the first day and the first week in Baja that you don't over do it, and eat too much new foods or drink too much alcohol or get too sunburned or dehydrated. Take time to ensure you are transitioning carefully and in healthy manner. It's helpful that everyone in the group takes time together to drink water from the reliable sources on a regular schedule to ensure everyone is hydrated in healthy manner.

Report of water quality issues in BCS in the area of Los Plannes
http://defiendelasierra.org/wp-content/uploads/Arsenic-conte...

More about BCS water affect on the body
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10653-014-9603-...

Water pressure issues in Todos Santos
https://tosea.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/water-pressure-in-baj...

Water issues in BCS
https://journaldelpacifico.com/blog/features/water/

RO vs Distilled water
https://myaquanui.com/2015/11/18/what-is-the-difference-betw...

Health risk of demineralization of drinking water
http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/dwq/nutrientschap...

How to build a solar passive water distiller
https://www.motherearthnews.com/real-food/passive-solar-wate...

Guide to filters
https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/crypto/gen_info/filters.html



[Edited on 9-6-2018 by gnukid]

sancho - 9-6-2018 at 12:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
And the ice cubes in your c-cktail or tea are probably safe too....probably!









It is my ASSUMPTION ice cubes are OK, however they could
easily be made from tap water. Was in San Felipe recently,
a friend used faucet water to brush his teeth, got be something
swallowed? I think the delivery system, pipes and such, contain
contaminants. In the past, have drank well water in parts of
the Peninsula

Bubba - 9-6-2018 at 03:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
DK, it's better overall to not use plastic if you don't have to! Much better to fill a 5 gallon bottle and refill as needed, and significantly cheaper.


This^

David K - 9-6-2018 at 04:01 PM

Sorry, but my Baja Angel likes cold water and cold beer. A 5-gallon water tank doesn't fit in the ice chest. As I said, we crush and recycle our water bottles and beer cans. Bajabound888 asked a pretty simple question and it has been answered.

bajabuddha - 9-6-2018 at 04:43 PM

So DK, just how much does a 'flat' of bottles cost at Costco? How many bottles at what volume?

And why not do both? Cut down the consumption of your plastic waste "Recycling" plastic is a joke on the world's scene. It is now a proven world-wide epidemic, and you can do your part even more than just recycling. You can have a little spigot for the big bottles, and have a half dozen of your 'personal' size containers to fill every evening (or morning) for cooler chilling rather than a whole flat of small ones and no big ones. Think about it.

Some people choose to give advice prolifically and TAKE NONE.

volcano - 9-6-2018 at 06:37 PM

thank you gnukid

mtgoat666 - 9-6-2018 at 07:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Sorry, but my Baja Angel likes cold water and cold beer. A 5-gallon water tank doesn't fit in the ice chest.


Here are instructions on how to avoid being a plastic waster:
Fill 5-gal jug with tap water at home or from store
Fill 1-quart bottle from 5-gal jug
Put 1-qt bottle in cooler
Wait about 1/2 hour for water to cool
Drink cool water from 1-qt bottle
Repeat as necessary

P.s. if you don’t like 1-qt size, use other size, this method is very adaptable — it’s so easy, even a republican can do it!
As Nike (and Colin) says: “just do it”

P.p.s. Reduce, re-use, recycle!


[Edited on 9-7-2018 by mtgoat666]

David K - 9-6-2018 at 08:54 PM

Drink more beer!:cool:

sancho - 9-6-2018 at 09:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

it’s so easy, even a republican can do it!










Are you sure?

freediverbrian - 9-6-2018 at 09:42 PM

Don't worry about plastic in the land fills
, just burn it problem solved

gnukid - 9-7-2018 at 09:13 AM

Re-using a large garafon 5gallon bottle and refilling smaller plastic water bottles for daily use is a good solution to reduce waste.

Alm - 9-7-2018 at 01:32 PM

Refillable 5-gal bottles is the way to go, any town would have a refill station, look for signs Garafones or Agua Purificada. One 5-gal bottle lasts nearly a week for one person. As others noted, purified or distilled water alone is of limited value, you should supplement it with fruits, juices and mineral water. Beer is a matter of taste and habit, but drinking it instead of water doesn't make sense because it actually dehydrates you (and so does iced tea or coffee).

If 5-gal doesn't fit in the ice chest, use 3-gal bottle or pour it in smaller containers. Btw, Walmart sell 3-gal American Maid bottles for half of Amazon price.

[Edited on 9-7-2018 by Alm]

bajabuddha - 9-10-2018 at 04:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
Walmart sell 3-gal American Maid bottles..

Which, being from Walmart, I assume are made in China? :barf:



:rolleyes: ..... so is MAGA gear... :barf:

Alm - 9-10-2018 at 11:34 AM

MAID. The one in skirt. Not "made" :)

willardguy - 9-10-2018 at 03:06 PM

getting back to water, at least at the water store I use........you have a choice between regular ol' water and an antioxidant water, I believe they call it "oxylina" or something like that. they pushed it hard for awhile, I don't know anything about it but im sure nomads could argue about it for pages:rolleyes:. cost roughly twice as much.

Skipjack Joe - 9-11-2018 at 09:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by volcano  
thank you gnukid


I agree. Great writeup on the subject.

willardguy - 9-11-2018 at 10:15 AM

the Berkey water filter. a neighbor just grabbed one of these for a hundred bucks from someone moving out, they absolutely love it! anyone tried these? not cheap but good for 6000 gallons before they need new filters.

https://theberkey.com/pages/berkey-water-filters

John Harper - 9-11-2018 at 11:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
getting back to water, at least at the water store I use........you have a choice between regular ol' water and an antioxidant water, I believe they call it "oxylina" or something like that. they pushed it hard for awhile, I don't know anything about it but im sure nomads could argue about it for pages:rolleyes:. cost roughly twice as much.


The human body maintains it's own pH levels, always has. Alkaline water, oxylina, Dr. Happy's magic bubble water. It's all BS. Just designed to separate you from your money.

John

Alm - 9-11-2018 at 12:20 PM

The most one can demand of purified water is a reasonable degree of purity. Reverse osmosis water in Garafones stations is good enough - as long as they clean their machines regularly. Distilled water would be completely clear of anything - again, subject to dirt and mold in their dispensers.
Both RO and distilled water on its own is not a good thing because it's lacking salt and minerals necessary for your body, so your need to supplement it with small amount of table salt. Or drink mineral water, you don't need many gallons of it, some water should come with fruits and liquid food. It should specifically say "Agua Mineral" on the bottle - preferably without color or flavor, they never get flavor right.

PaulW - 9-11-2018 at 04:28 PM

Been drinking RO and distilled water for most of my adult life to prevent my condition of kidney stones. We use that kind of water for all of your foo preparation. I suppose I get enough of the bodily required minerals and salt with my normal diet. I have semiannual lab testing and the results show normal readings and for sure the water I consume has not created any deficiencies.
From my reading drinking mineralized water has no value at all and has lots of negative issues.
And the water I drink has no taste.

John Harper - 9-11-2018 at 05:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
And the water I drink has no taste.


Just like too many people out there today.

John

[Edited on 9-12-2018 by John Harper]

Alm - 9-11-2018 at 08:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
I suppose I get enough of the bodily required minerals and salt with my normal diet.

The problem is that travelers rarely keep a normal diet, unlike people living in their homes.

When you become really dehydrated, you are losing salt with sweat and need to replenish it fast. Mineral water will have little value when you are not dehydrated, obviously.

bajabound888 - 9-12-2018 at 11:17 AM

A little bit of Celtic or Hymalayan salt before you drink water will ensure you are hydrated....


https://youtu.be/Dm6fmiG4SAc

Alm - 9-12-2018 at 03:47 PM

Yep. This is called restoring electrolyte balance. She is right about sea water in this video too, can be added in small amounts to RO water if this is all you have.

SFandH - 9-12-2018 at 07:04 PM

Does diet coke, my main water source, fit into a naturopathic lifestyle? Should I add Himalayan sea salt to the coke?

BTW, how do you get sea salt from the Himalayas?

willardguy - 9-12-2018 at 07:25 PM

I've been known to add a splash of diet coke to my cuba libres

Salty Scheisse

MrBillM - 9-12-2018 at 08:04 PM

Wikipedia:

Himalayan salt is rock salt or halite from the Punjab region of Pakistan. Numerous health claims have been made concerning himalayan salt, but there is no scientific evidence that it has better effects or healthier than common table salt and the claims are considered pseudoscience.

Although its salt is sometimes marketed as "Jurassic Sea Salt", this salt deposit comes from a seabed of the Permian and Cretaceous eras 100 to 200 million years ago. This sea became landlocked and evaporated, leaving a dense salt deposit, colored by a common pink microorganism that had lived in it. Over the next few hundred million years, that deposit was at the border of a continental plate, and was pushed up into a mountain range in Pakistan.

The concentration of salt near Khewra, Punjab, is said to have been discovered around 326 BC when the troops led by Alexander the Great stopped to rest there and noticed their horses licking the salty rocks. Salt was probably mined there from that time, but the first records of mining are from the Janjua people in the 1200s.

Himalayan salt is mostly mined at the Khewra Salt Mine in Khewra, Jhelum District, Punjab, which is situated in the foothills of the Salt Range hill system in the Punjab province of the Pakistan Indo-Gangetic Plain.

Himalayan salt is chemically similar to table salt plus mineral impurities including chromium, iron, zinc, lead, and copper. Some salts mined in the Himalayas are not suitable for use as food or industrial use without purification due to these impurities.

Some salt crystals from this region have an off-white to transparent color, while impurities in some veins of salt give it a pink, reddish, or beet-red color.

SFandH - 9-12-2018 at 08:20 PM

Well, that explains it. Powerful geologic forces and 200 million years. It's gotta be good. I'm not going to waste it by adding to diet coke. Maybe I'll switch to that water stuff.

BajaMama - 9-13-2018 at 05:42 AM

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/different-types-of-salt...

mtgoat666 - 9-13-2018 at 06:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
Wikipedia:

Himalayan salt is rock salt or halite from the Punjab region of Pakistan. Numerous health claims have been made concerning himalayan salt, but there is no scientific evidence that it has better effects or healthier than common table salt and the claims are considered pseudoscience.

Although its salt is sometimes marketed as "Jurassic Sea Salt", this salt deposit comes from a seabed of the Permian and Cretaceous eras 100 to 200 million years ago. This sea became landlocked and evaporated, leaving a dense salt deposit, colored by a common pink microorganism that had lived in it. Over the next few hundred million years, that deposit was at the border of a continental plate, and was pushed up into a mountain range in Pakistan.

The concentration of salt near Khewra, Punjab, is said to have been discovered around 326 BC when the troops led by Alexander the Great stopped to rest there and noticed their horses licking the salty rocks. Salt was probably mined there from that time, but the first records of mining are from the Janjua people in the 1200s.

Himalayan salt is mostly mined at the Khewra Salt Mine in Khewra, Jhelum District, Punjab, which is situated in the foothills of the Salt Range hill system in the Punjab province of the Pakistan Indo-Gangetic Plain.

Himalayan salt is chemically similar to table salt plus mineral impurities including chromium, iron, zinc, lead, and copper. Some salts mined in the Himalayas are not suitable for use as food or industrial use without purification due to these impurities.

Some salt crystals from this region have an off-white to transparent color, while impurities in some veins of salt give it a pink, reddish, or beet-red color.


Speaking of Which,.... Alexander the Great’s horse Bucephalus is supposedly buried somewhere around Jhelum.

Alm - 9-13-2018 at 10:48 AM

There is no need to go overboard with naturopathy. Salt additives become important when you lose a lot of salt and need to replenish it quickly, before more damage is done to your organs. Ex., after physical activity when you lose more than 3% of body weight in sweat. When driving a car in Baja, even in summer heat without A/C, this is less likely to happen.

Try listening to your body. When you are moderately dehydrated, mineral water or diet coke is better than pure water, but if you are going to be home soon, there is no disaster if you only have RO water with you.

Edit-PS: on the 2nd thought - forget the diet coke. You might need one for energy boost when dehydration is caused by physical activity (among other things), but caffeine impedes the hydration.

[Edited on 9-13-2018 by Alm]