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Border Crossing - "Caravan" Impact?

aburruss - 11-15-2018 at 02:39 PM

Hey guys.. I am not posting to start a discussion about the validity of the caravan, the immigration policies of the US or Mexico, Donald Trump, Coco, or any other sensitive topic that we should debate.. :)

I am trying to find out everyone's take on the recent "push" at San Ysidro/Otay, and other places. I've talked to 3 different people that have put off their Thanksgiving-in-Baja plans because of the uncertainty and perceived risk of being in the border crossing during a potential risky situation.

I know there's a billion and twelve people down there for the Baja 1000 currently, and there's going to be a LOT of border crossing traffic due to that. I'm curious to everyones thoughts on impact to crossing for that -- and for the following week or so -- due to the presence of the caravan, additional enforcement, additional tension, etc at the border.

Sorry in advance if this turns into a train-wreck of a topic.. It's not my intention! :)

AKgringo - 11-15-2018 at 02:45 PM

I thought about that for a bit, but I am in the last steps of getting ready to head to Mexicali, and that is not something that is going to affect my plans (or lack of them). I will be watching for news that may make me reconsider where I cross the border though.

ncampion - 11-15-2018 at 03:11 PM

Also interested in this topic as we will be heading North for the holidays early Dec. Will choose our border crossing site depending on the impact they may have.

bajabuddha - 11-15-2018 at 04:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by aburruss  
Hey guys.. I am not posting to start a discussion about the validity of the caravan, the immigration policies of the US or Mexico, Donald Trump, Coco, or any other sensitive topic that we should debate..

Sorry in advance if this turns into a train-wreck of a topic.. It's not my intention! :)



:rolleyes: Rotsa ruck. ;)

JoeJustJoe - 11-15-2018 at 04:46 PM

Oh no! Not one of these threads under the guise, "Oh I just want to find out some information, because a few people I know are scared to cross the border.

If the OP is so concerned about the majority of the caravan that's still about 900 miles away, and probably won't arrive until after Thanksgiving, although I hear a couple of busloads are already here.

I would look to see what happened when a few thousand Haitians were in Tijuana. I don't recall traffic problems, just due to the Haitians.

aburruss - 11-15-2018 at 04:51 PM

So JoeJustJoe's thoughts are that there will be little-to-no impact. Noted! Thank you!!

chuckie - 11-15-2018 at 05:41 PM

Yeah,but he is an idiot...

JoeJustJoe - 11-15-2018 at 06:11 PM

JoeJustJoe, is many things, but at least I'm not a liar like Chuckie, who claims he has a MS from Stanford University.

DouglasP - 11-15-2018 at 06:18 PM

Well, here we go!

BajaParrothead - 11-15-2018 at 07:03 PM

"......The Mexican citizens of Tijuana are responding by throwing beer bottles back... It wasn't mentioned if they were full or empty!"

If they were full, that would be alcohol abuse!:no:

[Edited on 11-16-2018 by BajaParrothead]

Border Bottleneck

MrBillM - 11-15-2018 at 07:14 PM

Given that the original question was inviting speculation regarding traffic effects, it seems that the simple answer would be ................. Quien Sabe ?

The one thing certain would be that ANY additional crowds can't help. Beyond that, it's just a guess.

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The reporting I've read on the rock-throwing sounds a bit different and more likely:

" ....... A small group of residents of an upscale neighborhood in the Mexican border of Tijuana confronted caravan migrants late on Wednesday, throwing stones and telling them to go back to their home countries ....... "Get out of here," a group of around 20 people shouted at a camp of Hondurans near the border. "We want you to return to your country. You are not welcome."

bajaric - 11-15-2018 at 08:39 PM



If the OP is so concerned about the majority of the caravan that's still about 900 miles away

They are already in Tijuana, idiot.

Bajaboy - 11-15-2018 at 08:44 PM

I'm sure Trump will chime in any day now about it...or not:P

JoeJustJoe - 11-15-2018 at 09:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Just now on the San Diego TV news: They are showing that an advanced wave of the Central American human invasion has arrived in Tijuana and have begun harassing local Tijuana/ Mexican residents by throwing rocks at them (nice folks, huh?)! The Mexican citizens of Tijuana are responding by throwing beer bottles back... It wasn't mentioned if they were full or empty!


Here we go again just like I feared when threads like this are started on BN.

Careful, David K, with your broad paint brush.

It looks like Mexican nativists started this and the caravan migrants responded in kind. The Nativists, are just not only on the US side.

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  


If the OP is so concerned about the majority of the caravan that's still about 900 miles away

They are already in Tijuana, idiot.


Einstein, read my sentence again. The majority of caravans are still 900 miles away, and therefore weeks away if they are walking on foot.

However, 9 caravan buses with 350 migrants have made it to Tijuana.

That's a drop in the bucket compared to the masses of migrants 900 miles away, and 350 immigrants is not a great number to do too much damage.

However, if you want to correct me, I hear now the US border is closing some lanes into the US. Why now?

Who knows, maybe because we have a racist crazy President.

bajabuddha - 11-15-2018 at 09:40 PM

TOLD'JA !!

Enter the OT pond scum trolls, stage left. Didn't even make half a page. :barf:

azucena - 11-15-2018 at 09:49 PM

aburruss,

Well you asked, you tried, but as is abundantly clear, there is no longer any way to have an intelligent conversation on this site anymore. Well, perhaps a a view places, but ANYTHING, and I mean anything that has any potential of a political bent goes wacko instantly.
This site used to be the place to ask questions and get the most informed and up to date answers. No longer. It is a forum for bickering of the most petty sort and where civility is virtually unheard of.
Lo siento mucho!

mtgoat666 - 11-16-2018 at 12:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by aburruss  
Hey guys.. I am not posting to start a discussion about the validity of the caravan, the immigration policies of the US or Mexico, Donald Trump, Coco, or any other sensitive topic that we should debate.. :)

I am trying to find out everyone's take on the recent "push" at San Ysidro/Otay, and other places. I've talked to 3 different people that have put off their Thanksgiving-in-Baja plans because of the uncertainty and perceived risk of being in the border crossing during a potential risky situation.

I know there's a billion and twelve people down there for the Baja 1000 currently, and there's going to be a LOT of border crossing traffic due to that. I'm curious to everyones thoughts on impact to crossing for that -- and for the following week or so -- due to the presence of the caravan, additional enforcement, additional tension, etc at the border.

Sorry in advance if this turns into a train-wreck of a topic.. It's not my intention! :)


You are a fool to worry about a tiny caravan of 200 people. Let me put those couple hundred poor people in perspective.
Every year 300,000+ people enter the USA without proper documentation (people you call illegals).
Every day 50,000 to 100,000 cross the border legally at San ysidro.
And trump calls out the US military for 200 poor people walking together so they have safety of traveling together vs alone. Sad!

bajaguy - 11-16-2018 at 06:34 AM

https://www.elvigia.net/general/2018/11/16/supera-caravana-o...

https://www.elvigia.net/general/2018/11/16/detiene-inm-migra...

[Edited on 11-16-2018 by bajaguy]

BajaMama - 11-16-2018 at 07:20 AM

The TalkBaja page on FB has a discussion of what is happening with the caravan in TJ.

JoeJustJoe - 11-16-2018 at 08:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
TOLD'JA !!

Enter the OT pond scum trolls, stage left. Didn't even make half a page. :barf:



OT pond scum!

BajaBuddha, I though you were this nice, Vietnam Vet and liberal.

What happened to you?

Anybody could have predicted this thread would go off the rails, over this dubious topic, that supposedly only wanted to know how the Caravan was going to effect traffic.

Then of course, David K. who loves to interject right-wing politics in threads, picks up a rock, and throws it at the migrant caravan members already in TJ, which had nothing to do with traffic problems around the border.

And you, BajaBuddha, blame proud liberals from the OT!

I would have hated to be in the fox hole with you BajaBuddha.

Congestion Question

MrBillM - 11-16-2018 at 09:58 AM

Having crossed the border hundreds of times over the years in both directions by every route between TJ and Algodones (but mostly in Mexicali east and west), I have found a WIDE variance in congestion at the same hours and days for no apparent reason. As I said earlier, it's all a guess with the only likelihood being an unknown degree of negative influence.

Given that NO decent information regarding the original question is (or will be available), it would be wise to simply close the thread. There are other offbeat rants regarding the social aspects.

chuckie - 11-16-2018 at 10:42 AM

YUP

JoeJustJoe - 11-16-2018 at 10:55 AM

I disagree Bill, there are sites that let you know how many lanes are open and the wait time back into the US, and although this is current information, based on 9 caravan buses already in Northern Baja.

However, I think because Thanksgiving is only about one week away, and based on the fact the majority of the caravan is still hundreds of miles away.

I think it's reasonable to assume traffic will be flowing freely with the exception of more holiday traffic......but then again, you just never know...... maybe Bill, you might have a point after all.
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https://apps.cbp.gov/bwt/mobile.asp?action=n&pn=2504

Wait Time Info

MrBillM - 11-16-2018 at 03:39 PM

The thing about the "wait time" info is that it's of no use as an advance planning tool.

Cliffy - 11-16-2018 at 06:47 PM

Talk of a "sit in" in the northbound lanes Saturday

amigobaja - 11-16-2018 at 07:31 PM

Crossed the Tj border at 1:30 this afternoon. My only worry was getting ran over by the knuklehead chase trucks that seem to think their in the race and no traffic laws being their Americans in a foreign country. Not a safe weekend to be traveling.

mtgoat666 - 11-16-2018 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I would like to know why they didn't stay in Mexicali or Tecate (or any other closer border) since both were passed to go to the furthest away border in all of Mexico from where they came from???


George Soros gave them a web link to bajanomad and a couple of your mission books, and those refugees all read the good words said baja is the place to be!

joerover - 11-16-2018 at 08:02 PM

The answer could be a scary one,
Tijuana is the place your children are most likely to be abused.
Tj police still give drugs to 10 year old girls.
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I would like to know why they didn't stay in Mexicali or Tecate (or any other closer border) since both were passed to go to the furthest away border in all of Mexico from where they came from???

Did they walk up the Rumorosa (Cantu) Grade? Seems well staged for U.S. media???


US troops stationed have erected concertina wire, barricades and fencing on the border, and US Customs and Border Protection announced that it would close four lanes at the San Ysidro and Otay Mesa border crossings.

Thousands of people are already waiting in the city to claim asylum in the US,
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/15/migrant-carava...

In other news,
Gordo said the migrants no want a sandwich, they want only pizza and tacos.

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by joerover]

By the by Tj still has a group of Obama era (Nigerians¿) who no longer wait in the line, one of which now works for migration Mx, he tells me I can not ride my bicycle on the bridge.

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by joerover]

Later that night, locals moved down to where the migrants were sleeping, chanting “Out of Tijuana” and “Mexico has its own problems”, and singing the Mexican national anthem. Scuffles broke out as screaming protesters threatened and attacked local residents defending the group, along with journalists and the migrants themselves. Caravan forces Mexico to confront mixed feelings on migration Read more Arnoldo Astorga, a member of a local vigilante group, said the residents had called his group. “This is like an invasion. It looks and smells like an invasion. They come over here with no respect.” Throughout the protest, other locals quietly handed out tacos to migrants sitting nearby.

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by joerover]

willardguy - 11-16-2018 at 08:07 PM

:lol:....you can't make this chit up!

joerover - 11-16-2018 at 08:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
:lol:....!


not a joke stop laughing

willardguy - 11-16-2018 at 08:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
Quote: Originally posted by willardguy  
:lol:....!


not a joke stop laughing


sorry I can't.......keep going

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by willardguy]

migration speaks through dance

joerover - 11-16-2018 at 08:40 PM

1:58 listen to 1:58
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUTUQ7_TFW4

JoeJustJoe - 11-16-2018 at 08:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
The TalkBaja page on FB has a discussion of what is happening with the caravan in TJ.


If they had a discussion on Talk Baja, about the caravan, most of it disappeared!

Although, threads like this can get irritating at times with political talk, I rather put up with them than mass censorship at some of the other sites, unless the threads truly go way off the rails.

I may disagree with what David K. says, but I still like to read his opinions.
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From Talk Baja:

Ron wrote: "Caravan and political comments

You are free to post and comment about the approaching caravan as a topic dealing with border crossing issues; however venturing over into political commenting is not allowed here and my patience on this is very thin.

If you see someone else do it, resist the urge to respond in kind and simply notify an admin. Those who continue to abuse these rules will be banned without any further notice..."

woody with a view - 11-16-2018 at 08:43 PM

Cops giving drugs to 10 year old girls?

Got a link for that? Didn’t think so. Carry on....

Cliffy - 11-16-2018 at 08:48 PM

Buses have been stopped in Mexicali
US processing 30 asylum seekers a day in TJ
There's Calexico, Yuma, Lukeville Hmmm

bajadogs - 11-16-2018 at 08:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I would like to know why they didn't stay in Mexicali or Tecate (or any other closer border) since both were passed to go to the furthest away border in all of Mexico from where they came from???

Did they walk up the Rumorosa (Cantu) Grade? Seems well staged for U.S. media???


Seriously David? Your prepositions dangle with your heart.

willardguy - 11-16-2018 at 09:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I would like to know why they didn't stay in Mexicali or Tecate (or any other closer border) since both were passed to go to the furthest away border in all of Mexico from where they came from???

Did they walk up the Rumorosa (Cantu) Grade? Seems well staged for U.S. media???


"Some 5,000 caravan members, most of them from Honduras, agreed at an assembly in Mexico City last week that they would head to the Tijuana-San Diego border. The plan is for many to turn themselves in at the San Ysidro Port of Entry and ask the U.S. government for asylum."

let me guess...more fake news?

bajabuddha - 11-16-2018 at 09:37 PM

......... and the pond scum thickens..... :no:

chuckie - 11-16-2018 at 09:43 PM

With DK as the TOP FROG....

DouglasP - 11-16-2018 at 10:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama  
The TalkBaja page on FB has a discussion of what is happening with the caravan in TJ.


If they had a discussion on Talk Baja, about the caravan, most of it disappeared!

Although, threads like this can get irritating at times with political talk, I rather put up with them than mass censorship at some of the other sites, unless the threads truly go way off the rails.

I may disagree with what David K. says, but I still like to read his opinions.
______________________________________
From Talk Baja:

Ron wrote: "Caravan and political comments

You are free to post and comment about the approaching caravan as a topic dealing with border crossing issues; however venturing over into political commenting is not allowed here and my patience on this is very thin.

If you see someone else do it, resist the urge to respond in kind and simply notify an admin. Those who continue to abuse these rules will be banned without any further notice..."


Are you kidding me?! Joe I know you think I'm new here, but this isn't the first public forum I've signed up on, lol. Quit with the delusions. I have never seen more posts deleted, not just mine, on any site I've been on. Censorship is strong here. With no rhyme or reason, to boot. I can't comment about Facebook, don't do it, won't do it. It's the devil! Carry on.

chuckie - 11-17-2018 at 03:27 AM

And old Dogs, old dogs are good....

JoeJustJoe - 11-17-2018 at 09:52 AM


From Talk Baja:

Ron wrote: "Caravan and political comments

You are free to post and comment about the approaching caravan as a topic dealing with border crossing issues; however venturing over into political commenting is not allowed here and my patience on this is very thin.

If you see someone else do it, resist the urge to respond in kind and simply notify an admin. Those who continue to abuse these rules will be banned without any further notice...
Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP  


Are you kidding me?! Joe I know you think I'm new here, but this isn't the first public forum I've signed up on, lol. Quit with the delusions. I have never seen more posts deleted, not just mine, on any site I've been on. Censorship is strong here. With no rhyme or reason, to boot. I can't comment about Facebook, don't do it, won't do it. It's the devil! Carry on.


Are you still whining Douglas?

I don't know what you're talking about because David K's posts are never censored or deleted.

I find it you never take a swipe at another member, your posts are unlikely to get deleted, and if you can't resist the urge to troll another member, than maybe your posts will get deleted, but personally I wouldn't cry about it.

I do agree with you Douglas, about Facebook, I always felt it was a very evil company that spies on you and sells you out.

Regarding "Talk Baja" I thought that was funny telling members to snitch on others members, if they dare to talk politics in a topic about how the caravan traffic concerns. How can you not talk politics in a highly charged topic?

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by JoeJustJoe]

willardguy - 11-17-2018 at 10:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  

From Talk Baja:

Ron wrote: "Caravan and political comments

You are free to post and comment about the approaching caravan as a topic dealing with border crossing issues; however venturing over into political commenting is not allowed here and my patience on this is very thin.

If you see someone else do it, resist the urge to respond in kind and simply notify an admin. Those who continue to abuse these rules will be banned without any further notice...

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP  


Are you kidding me?! Joe I know you think I'm new here, but this isn't the first public forum I've signed up on, lol. Quit with the delusions. I have never seen more posts deleted, not just mine, on any site I've been on. Censorship is strong here. With no rhyme or reason, to boot. I can't comment about Facebook, don't do it, won't do it. It's the devil! Carry on.


Are you still whining Douglas?

I don't know what you're talking about because David K's posts are never censored or deleted.

I find it you never take a swipe at another member, your posts are unlikely to get deleted, and if you can't resist the urge to troll another member, than maybe your posts will get deleted, but personally I wouldn't cry about it.

I do agree with you Douglas, about Facebook, I always felt it was a very evil company that spies on you and sells you out.

Regarding "Talk Baja" I thought that was funny telling members to snitch on others members, if they dare to talk politics in a topic about how the caravan traffic concerns. How can you not talk politics in a highly charged topic?

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by JoeJustJoe]


I applaud Ron and in Douglas' defense I saw the posts that were deleted and they were as benign as could be? wtf?

mtgoat666 - 11-17-2018 at 10:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by bajadogs  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I would like to know why they didn't stay in Mexicali or Tecate (or any other closer border) since both were passed to go to the furthest away border in all of Mexico from where they came from???

Did they walk up the Rumorosa (Cantu) Grade? Seems well staged for U.S. media???


Seriously David? Your prepositions dangle with your heart.


I asked a question... why go to the most distant border crossing?


I am sure they have logical reasons. I will guess at a few:
TJ is second biggest Mexican City on border, maybe easier for refugees to get along in this particular urban area.
SY is largest/busiest border xing, perhaps there are more caseworkers to process asylum requests.
Perhaps the largest city on border, Juarez, is not good place for refugees to cross.
California is a better/friendlier state than AZ or Texas, perhaps CA is better at absorbing refugees, not sure NM has much ability to absorb refugees.
The us army, under trumps orders, has occupied Texas border region, imposed martial law and is shooting Latinos on site at the border, so Texas is not a good destination

JoeJustJoe - 11-17-2018 at 10:31 AM

David K. Your question wasn't so much a question as it was a statement from you

David K wrote: "Seems well staged for U.S. media??? "

When you take both of your posts in this thread, it seems you are very upset, over the caravans coming to America.

If true, Why so?

I don't have an answer to you David K, but if I were to guess. Maybe, the Caravan leaders don't know Baja as well as you.

Maybe, those other possible entry points, do not have experience handling migrants like Tijuana and San Ysidro.

Maybe, the migrants watch TV and have learned San Ysidro is the way to paradise.

joerover - 11-17-2018 at 12:47 PM

I am concerned about the human rights abuse in Tijuana. Someone in Mexico City lied to the migrants about Tj being the promised land. Now they will suffer through unethical medical experiments and and human expermintaton. Tijuana is a abuse center for the scientologists.
Tijuana police giving drugs to little girls as a way o get them to commit crimes for them is only a small problem compared to the unseen problems.

Microwave experiments
¨Go to:
Abstract
This study concerns the effects of microwave on health because they pervade diverse fields of our lives. The brain has been recognized as one of the organs that is most vulnerable to microwave radiation. Therefore, in this article, we reviewed recent studies that have explored the effects of microwave radiation on the brain, especially the hippocampus, including analyses of epidemiology, morphology, electroencephalograms, learning and memory abilities and the mechanisms underlying brain dysfunction. However, the problem with these studies is that different parameters, such as the frequency, modulation, and power density of the radiation and the irradiation time, were used to evaluate microwave radiation between studies. As a result, the existing data exhibit poor reproducibility and comparability. To determine the specific dose-effect relationship between microwave radiation and its biological effects, more intensive studies must be performed.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5607572/

Microwave Weapons Are Prime Suspect in Ills of U.S. Embassy Workers
Doctors and scientists say microwave strikes may have caused sonic delusions and very real brain damage among embassy staff and family members.¨
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/01/science/sonic-attack-cuba...

Some migrants will be selected for experiments without their knowledge
By the way, it was the isrealies not the Russians that attacked the embassy in Cuba
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/scien...

¨Beatrice Golomb, a professor of medicine at the University of California at San Diego, is a leading proponent of the theory that pulsed microwaves could explain the symptoms. She said a friend sent her theory of the case to the State Department in January.
Beatrix is one of the abusers, figure out how she got her test results and data.

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by joerover]

[Edited on 11-17-2018 by joerover]

TedZark - 11-17-2018 at 01:42 PM

I crossed both ways on Thursday. While I didn't see any big evidence of the "caravan" there were a few examples of clearly not the usual fence jumpers. A woman with a baby, for example. And others that just didn't look the usual ragtag troupe.

I left early as I thought possible big delays but got through the Otay Ready Lane in 1.5 hours - not too bad on any day of the week. Usually better, but sometimes worse.

It is clear that if there is a mad rush for the border by a crowd/"mob" then the crossing will simply be closed. There is no way to keep a crowd from crossing while allowing cars through. The concertina razor wire is nasty stuff and already set up to pull across the lanes.

Will a problem happen? I don't think so. It is clear the Tijuana people want and need to get to their jobs in the USA. A closed border means a lost job or at least a lost day's wages. I too would tell someone to "Get the h*ll out of the way!" "I need to get to my job and YOU are screwing it up."

Everywhere else in Mexico people are happy to help them - of course - move along down the road! But TJ is where reality will hit. Working people with jobs to get to and a border that is already a huge pain in the *ss. "Get out the way!"

JoeJustJoe - 11-17-2018 at 02:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
The us army, under trumps orders, has occupied Texas border region, imposed martial law and is shooting Latinos on site at the border, so Texas is not a good destination

[/rquote]

Shot on sight huh? Are you drunk?


I don't think the Goat, is drunk, and in fact could very well be correct.

I didn't think of this until David K. started asking questions, but if I was advising the caravans from central America, I would tell them to stay clear of both gun-happy open states of Arizona and Texas, and come through liberal California, a state with strong gun laws in case the militia groups lets their emotions get the best of them.
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U.S. militia groups head to border, stirred by Trump’s call to arms



FALFURRIAS, Tex. — Gun-carrying civilian groups and border vigilantes have heard a call to arms in President Trump’s warnings about threats to American security posed by caravans of Central American migrants moving through Mexico. They’re packing coolers and tents, oiling rifles and tuning up aerial drones, with plans to form caravans of their own and trail American troops to the border.

“We’ll observe and report, and offer aid in any way we can,” said Shannon McGauley, a bail bondsman in the Dallas suburbs who is president of the Texas Minutemen. McGauley said he was preparing to head for the Rio Grande in coming days.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-mi...

No Worries !

MrBillM - 11-20-2018 at 10:07 AM

Since Jeff Bezos is FIFTY BILLION dollars richer than ANY other living person and Amazon is making him more, he doesn't need to sell.

Longer wait at Mexicali east

John M - 11-20-2018 at 04:07 PM

The regular lanes crossing at Mexicali east has typically been 1 to 1 1/2 hours. This past Monday morning, around 10:00 a.m. it was about 3 hours. This may have several contributing factors including more than the usual number of vehicles crossing due to the Baja 1000 as well as rumors of troubles and lane closures N/B at Tijuana which may have been partly the reason. Or...just a bad time to cross.

At the CPB booth the officer said that 3 hours was quite a bit better than the 5 hour wait on Sunday.

This came from ny next door neighbor who did the crossing. He's info has always been reliable.


John M

shari - 11-21-2018 at 11:43 AM

We are feeling a bit of effect even down here...had a couple cancellations for reservations for Thanksgiving week as folks were too worried about the border crossing...dang.
Sure makes for some funny memes on FAcebook about eating or not eating frijoles!

John Harper - 11-21-2018 at 11:55 AM

Nothing like "fear and loathing" to boost world economies.

John

mtgoat666 - 11-21-2018 at 06:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Nothing like "fear and loathing" to boost world economies.

John


As in, the travelers fear the caravaners, the ICE and trump base loathe poor foreigners but tolerate middle-class and rich foreigners?

AKgringo - 11-21-2018 at 06:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Nothing like "fear and loathing" to boost world economies.

John


As in, the travelers fear the caravaners, the ICE and trump base loathe poor foreigners but tolerate middle-class and rich foreigners?


Well the caravanners certainly can't stop in Mexico! To become temporary residents, they must show $1400 monthly income, or $2300 for permanent residency. (US dollars)

At least that is what we would have to do!


[Edited on 11-22-2018 by AKgringo]

joerover - 11-21-2018 at 07:12 PM

the migrants think they get to join the list if they hop the fence

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#2 Bill Gates $90 B 63 Microsoft United States
#3 Warren Buffett $84 B 88 Berkshire Hathaway United States
#4 Bernard Arnault $72 B 69 LVMH France
#5 Mark Zuckerberg $71 B 34 Facebook United States
#6 Amancio Ortega $70 B 82 Zara Spain
#7 Carlos Slim Helu $67.1 B 78 telecom Mexico
#8 Charles Koch $60 B 83 Koch Industries United States
#8 David Koch $60 B 78 Koch Industries United States
#10 Larry Ellison $58.5 B 74 software United States

#11 Michael Bloomberg $50 B 76 Bloomberg LP United States
#12 Larry Page $48.8 B 45 Google United States
#13 Sergey Brin $47.5 B 45 Google United States
#14 Jim Walton $46.4 B 70 Walmart United States
#15 S. Robson Walton $46.2 B 74 Walmart United States
#16 Alice Walton $46 B 69 Walmart United States
#17 Ma Huateng $45.3 B 47 internet media China
#18 Francoise Bettencourt Meyers $42.2 B 65 L'Oreal France
#19 Mukesh Ambani $40.1 B 61 petrochemicals, oil & gas India
#20 Jack Ma $39 B 54 e-commerce China

mtgoat666 - 11-21-2018 at 07:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by joerover  
the migrants think they get to join the list if they hop the fence

Rank Name Net Worth Age Source Country of Citizenship
#1 Jeff Bezos $112 B 54 Amazon United States
#2 Bill Gates $90 B 63 Microsoft United States
#3 Warren Buffett $84 B 88 Berkshire Hathaway United States
#4 Bernard Arnault $72 B 69 LVMH France
#5 Mark Zuckerberg $71 B 34 Facebook United States
#6 Amancio Ortega $70 B 82 Zara Spain
#7 Carlos Slim Helu $67.1 B 78 telecom Mexico
#8 Charles Koch $60 B 83 Koch Industries United States
#8 David Koch $60 B 78 Koch Industries United States
#10 Larry Ellison $58.5 B 74 software United States

#11 Michael Bloomberg $50 B 76 Bloomberg LP United States
#12 Larry Page $48.8 B 45 Google United States
#13 Sergey Brin $47.5 B 45 Google United States
#14 Jim Walton $46.4 B 70 Walmart United States
#15 S. Robson Walton $46.2 B 74 Walmart United States
#16 Alice Walton $46 B 69 Walmart United States
#17 Ma Huateng $45.3 B 47 internet media China
#18 Francoise Bettencourt Meyers $42.2 B 65 L'Oreal France
#19 Mukesh Ambani $40.1 B 61 petrochemicals, oil & gas India
#20 Jack Ma $39 B 54 e-commerce China


1 of every 4 on the list started out rich with inherited money.
Just saying....

norte - 11-21-2018 at 09:05 PM

Did David do another hit and run? DOn't see his post.

LukeJobbins - 11-22-2018 at 09:06 AM

Crossed at San ysidro last night. I saw a few lanes closed for sentri but not for the other lanes. There is more border agents and barbed wire but I didn’t witness any different attitude from the agents. But I crossed at 1030 pm in sentri with one car ahead of me. 2 minutes total.

mtgoat666 - 11-22-2018 at 09:18 AM

Military Times today reported that the White House sent out a memo authorizing “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary)” by the troops deployed on the border with Mexico.

Looks like Trump is preparing plans for USA military to shoot refugees, women and children in poverty.

Trigger happy troops mowing down kids selling chicklets?



JoeJustJoe - 11-22-2018 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Military Times today reported that the White House sent out a memo authorizing “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary)” by the troops deployed on the border with Mexico.

Looks like Trump is preparing plans for USA military to shoot refugees, women and children in poverty.

Trigger happy troops mowing down kids selling chicklets?


It's because Trump, is upset a Federal Judge, dealt him a setback, telling him he can't rewrite immigration law.

For unknown reasons, there is a lot of animosity in certain circles from the US, towards children selling chicklets.....it's really weird.
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Federal Judge Blocks Asylum Ban, Saying President Can’t Rewrite Immigration Law

https://truthout.org/video/federal-judge-blocks-asylum-ban-s...



lewmt - 11-22-2018 at 09:56 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/us-tourist-killed-arrow-shooting-...

mtgoat666 - 11-22-2018 at 10:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Military Times today reported that the White House sent out a memo authorizing “a show or use of force (including lethal force, where necessary)” by the troops deployed on the border with Mexico.

Looks like Trump is preparing plans for USA military to shoot refugees, women and children in poverty.

Trigger happy troops mowing down kids selling chicklets?


It's because Trump, is upset a Federal Judge, dealt him a setback, telling him he can't rewrite immigration law.

For unknown reasons, there is a lot of animosity in certain circles from the US, towards children selling chicklets.....it's really weird.



Not weird. It is human nature that uneducated and insulated people are bigots and hate or fear people not like them.