San Ysidro crossing closed

Good Sunday T.V.

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Just in time for the after Thanksgiving rush.

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So much for requesting asylum.

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Just in time for the after Thanksgiving rush.

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Quote: Originally posted by Bubba   Just in time for the after Thanksgiving rush. Good excuse to stay longer.

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So much for requesting asylum.

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Nothing about this on the MSNBC web site.

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Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view   So much for requesting asylum. when you educate yourself on the actual law - on requesting Asylum, then we can discuss. But since you are apparently ignorant of federal law on this issue - how do you think you have a place at this table?

HEY HEY NOW

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Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view   So much for requesting asylum. when you educate yourself on the actual law - on requesting Asylum, then we can discuss. But since you are apparently ignorant of federal law on this issue - how do you think you have a place at this table? Glad you asked. Upon further review I have determined that this site is no place for discussion. Just a bunch of flame throwing experts on every topic under the sun.

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Never appear to detract from a Nomad on a self publicized quest for recognition as Nomad Humanitarian of the year

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Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view   So much for requesting asylum. when you educate yourself on the actual law - on requesting Asylum, then we can discuss. But since you are apparently ignorant of federal law on this issue - how do you think you have a place at this table?

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How did they detain 500 trouble makers?

This is the photo that is going viral around the world that shows the Trump administration, using tear gas on migrants, including young children.

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This is the photo that is going viral around the world that shows the Trump administration, using tear gas on migrants, including young children.

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I suspect the photo above, which is clearly inside Mexico at the river (no U.S. tear gas canisters were launched into Mexico), was a smoke bomb or maybe tear gas, from Mexican law enforcement or Mexican protesters angry at the illegal Central Americans in their country? How did this mother walk her children from Honduras without any shoes?

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The TV news today clearly showed Tear Gas was only used where the few dozen (young males) had forced through the border fence (the older fence next to the newer one) to repel illegal crossers... and they quickly returned to Mexico... No women or children were seen. I suspect the photo above, which is clearly inside Mexico at the river (no U.S. tear gas canisters were launched into Mexico), was a smoke bomb or maybe tear gas, from Mexican law enforcement or Mexican protesters angry at the illegal Central Americans in their country? How did this mother walk her children from Honduras without any shoes?

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Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe   This is the photo that is going viral around the world that shows the Trump administration, using tear gas on migrants, including young children. Hopefully other parents with children will see this and not put their children in these circumstances. I think other people around the world understand border security.

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This photo is a strategically orchestrated tool to pull at heartstrings. Ask: What type of parent would drag underdressed children into extremely dangerous border situation, rush police barricades to run into border traffic attempting to cross, which is certain to put the kids at risk of serious life threatening injury and is certain to have a negative outcome. The region of the photo is a war zone of dangerous criminals who live in the river basin and do drugs and is controlled by cartels. Her behavior is outrageous and criminal on many levels. What kind of person would promote and support this treatment of children? Absurd [Edited on 11-26-2018 by gnukid]

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This photo is a strategically orchestrated tool to pull at heartstrings. [Edited on 11-26-2018 by gnukid]

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It has been demonstrated that the migrants are not who they are being portrayed as, they are paid political activist, manipulated to cause chaos, not all unlike Antifa activists, who are increasingly violent and disruptive to society, yet If you have compassion, have compassion for those people who respect communities and their laws, those that follow legal paths for migration and who want to work and contribute to a stable, secure healthy community.] People who promote societal destabilization, and threaten our communities and their families with lawless invasions of disruptive people, should be seen for who they are. No rational person would support this mass threat to our community and way of life. [Edited on 11-26-2018 by gnukid]

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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   It has been demonstrated that the migrants are not who they are being portrayed as, they are paid political activist, manipulated to cause chaos, not all unlike Antifa activists, who are increasingly violent and disruptive to society, yet If you have compassion, have compassion for those people who respect communities and their laws, those that follow legal paths for migration and who want to work and contribute to a stable, secure healthy community.] People who promote societal destabilization, and threaten our communities and their families with lawless invasions of disruptive people, should be seen for who they are. No rational person would support this mass threat to our community and way of life. [Edited on 11-26-2018 by gnukid] Plagiarized from The Daily Stormer. Any more original thoughts out there?

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Quote: Originally posted by gnukid   This photo is a strategically orchestrated tool to pull at heartstrings. Ask: What type of parent would drag underdressed children into extremely dangerous border situation, rush police barricades to run into border traffic attempting to cross, which is certain to put the kids at risk of serious life threatening injury and is certain to have a negative outcome. The region of the photo is a war zone of dangerous criminals who live in the river basin and do drugs and is controlled by cartels. Her behavior is outrageous and criminal on many levels. What kind of person would promote and support this treatment of children? Absurd [Edited on 11-26-2018 by gnukid] She is a refugee, has zero money, is living at the end of her rope. She is probably grasping for one last chance. And you pronounce she should not be a refugee? Should she go back to her country club life in Nicaragua? Not everyone has the benefits you received, she probably did not have wealthy parents to give her fancy education and trust fund like you.

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For example, here in BCS there is no sympathy or tolerance for the Central American invasion. The public sentiment is you are welcome to visit as a tourist, then you need to leave or migrate legally.

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Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quote: Originally posted by woody with a view   So much for requesting asylum. when you educate yourself on the actual law - on requesting Asylum, then we can discuss. But since you are apparently ignorant of federal law on this issue - how do you think you have a place at this table? ignorance is just alternative intelligence - we have to follow the example of the great leader

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As a side note, why does anyone on this board reply to JJJ & 666 posts?

Se llama Honduras doña LADYFRIJOLES, she said the free food provided was food for pigs, just beans and tortillas... (sarcasm) they came for lobster from Rosarito.

https://www.facebook.com/LasNoticiasMex/videos/5285250809436...





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This racist former Border Patrol, thug, claims that pepper spray is harmless, and you could put pepper spray on nachos!

Of course he says it on "Fox New," where the right-wing audience believes anything "Fox News" says.
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Border Patrol official: You could put pepper spray on nachos



A former top Border Patrol official said Monday that the pepper spray used to stop migrants from forcing their way across the US border to seek asylum was so harmless, they could eat it on their nachos.

“It’s natural. You could actually put it on your nachos and eat it. It’s a good way of deterring people without long-term harm,” said ex-Border Patrol deputy chief Ron Colburn, who served under President George W. Bush.

Colburn, speaking on “Fox & Friends,” decried what he called a “core of violence” among the hundreds of Central American asylum seekers, a number of whom stormed the border at Tijuana, prompting Border Patrol agents to force them back.

The migrants, he said, had a “sense of entitlement,” and the use of tear gas, which also affected women and children as it wafted on the breeze, was “absolutely” the right call.

But experts said that pepper spray wasn’t as harmless as Colburn suggested.

“There is no real scientific basis for the claim that OC [pepper] sprays are relatively safe,” according to a study from Duke University and the University of North Carolina reported in the Daily Beast.

“In fact, a number of reports have associated serious adverse sequelae, including death, with legitimate use, as well as misuse and abuse, of these sprays,” the authors wrote.

Human rights and immigration advocates called the use of pepper spray on women and children inhumane.

https://nypost.com/2018/11/26/border-patrol-official-you-cou...

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Quote: Originally posted by David K   The TV news today clearly showed Tear Gas was only used where the few dozen (young males) had forced through the border fence (the older fence next to the newer one) to repel illegal crossers... and they quickly returned to Mexico... No women or children were seen. I suspect the photo above, which is clearly inside Mexico at the river (no U.S. tear gas canisters were launched into Mexico), was a smoke bomb or maybe tear gas, from Mexican law enforcement or Mexican protesters angry at the illegal Central Americans in their country? How did this mother walk her children from Honduras without any shoes? Dk, where should they go to live or die? You got a solution for a refugee single mother with Kids? What does hannity recommend they do? Just roll over and die? Will that make you happy?

A very unfortunate situation but maybe these people should not be rushing our border. It was quite a sight seeing them on the news channels rush through Mexico's southern border. Did Mexico say they were willing to take in these asylum seekers?

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This racist former Border Patrol, thug, claims that pepper spray is harmless, and you could put pepper spray on nachos! Of course he says it on "Fox New," where the right-wing audience believes anything "Fox News" says. _____________________________ Border Patrol official: You could put pepper spray on nachos A former top Border Patrol official said Monday that the pepper spray used to stop migrants from forcing their way across the US border to seek asylum was so harmless, they could eat it on their nachos. “It’s natural. You could actually put it on your nachos and eat it. It’s a good way of deterring people without long-term harm,” said ex-Border Patrol deputy chief Ron Colburn, who served under President George W. Bush. Colburn, speaking on “Fox & Friends,” decried what he called a “core of violence” among the hundreds of Central American asylum seekers, a number of whom stormed the border at Tijuana, prompting Border Patrol agents to force them back. The migrants, he said, had a “sense of entitlement,” and the use of tear gas, which also affected women and children as it wafted on the breeze, was “absolutely” the right call. But experts said that pepper spray wasn’t as harmless as Colburn suggested. “There is no real scientific basis for the claim that OC [pepper] sprays are relatively safe,” according to a study from Duke University and the University of North Carolina reported in the Daily Beast. “In fact, a number of reports have associated serious adverse sequelae, including death, with legitimate use, as well as misuse and abuse, of these sprays,” the authors wrote. Human rights and immigration advocates called the use of pepper spray on women and children inhumane. https://nypost.com/2018/11/26/border-patrol-official-you-cou...

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A very unfortunate situation but maybe these people should not be rushing our border. It was quite a sight seeing them on the news channels rush through Mexico's southern border. Did Mexico say they were willing to take in these asylum seekers?

If I am not mistaking, after the refugee's busted through Mexico's door, they were offered asylum by said country. At that point, the caravan(s) of people were no longer in harms way in their home country. I don't know about you, but I would be pretty irritated if a group of people came storming through the front door of my home. As I understand it, many that live within Mexico are pretty biffed about it as well. Speaking of Costco, I'll be there for my buck-fifty hotdog and soda tomorrow.

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Quote: Originally posted by drzura   A very unfortunate situation but maybe these people should not be rushing our border. It was quite a sight seeing them on the news channels rush through Mexico's southern border. Did Mexico say they were willing to take in these asylum seekers? Those refugees are so impolite. They really should stay home in Nicaragua and die silently at the hands of violent gangs instead of disrupting my shopping trip to Costco to buy another case of gin. Hey, let’s change that “peace, love, fish tacos” motto thing to “me, me, me, me want fish tacos, me want to pickle my brain in gin, me no want smelly poor people.”

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and here is another perspective that I got from Ms. Saldaña's post on facebook: What was the immediate economic impact of yesterday's border shut down: "The San Ysidro Chamber of Commerce has done a great job of informing all of us about what's been going on at our border this week. Here's the update. Thank you, Jason M-b Wells. He writes in the latest chamber newsletter: "Unfortunately, the US sending 5,000 troops to the border instead of 5,000 asylum petition processors, and the Mexican federal government ushering immigrants from Chiapas to Tijuana has left us no choice but focus on the short term. "The closing of the San Ysidro Port of Entry yesterday was devastating to the over 700 business we represent. The San Port of Entry was closed at approximately 11:30am yesterday. It was not re-opened until 5:10pm. "Our businesses rely on 93% of customers coming from Mexico. "75% of San Ysidro border area businesses closed for the day around 12pm noon. "A large majority of San Ysidro's small businesses rely on the period of November 20-January 6 to make their profit for the entire year. "Sunday's closure alone represents a $5.3 million loss, just from San Ysidro business. Other business, from Chula Vista, to National City, to San Diego and beyond were also affected. "Action must be taken to avoid this happening again."

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Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca   and here is another perspective that I got from Ms. Saldaña's post on facebook: What was the immediate economic impact of yesterday's border shut down: "The San Ysidro Chamber of Commerce has done a great job of informing all of us about what's been going on at our border this week. Here's the update. Thank you, Jason M-b Wells. He writes in the latest chamber newsletter: "Unfortunately, the US sending 5,000 troops to the border instead of 5,000 asylum petition processors, and the Mexican federal government ushering immigrants from Chiapas to Tijuana has left us no choice but focus on the short term. "The closing of the San Ysidro Port of Entry yesterday was devastating to the over 700 business we represent. The San Port of Entry was closed at approximately 11:30am yesterday. It was not re-opened until 5:10pm. "Our businesses rely on 93% of customers coming from Mexico. "75% of San Ysidro border area businesses closed for the day around 12pm noon. "A large majority of San Ysidro's small businesses rely on the period of November 20-January 6 to make their profit for the entire year. "Sunday's closure alone represents a $5.3 million loss, just from San Ysidro business. Other business, from Chula Vista, to National City, to San Diego and beyond were also affected. "Action must be taken to avoid this happening again." We know it ‘’tis the season when the middle class shopkeepers complain about the poor people cluttering the streets and obstructing their business, and demand that government clear the streets of the homeless, the refugees, the teaming masses yearning o be free. Count on the shopkeepers to be motivated by greed during this holiday shopping season. Let’s put this in perspective. The shopkeepers are USA citizens, mostly. The USA has waged numerous wars overseas and created untold millions of refugees that streamed into neighboring countries, inconveniencing millions of shopkeepers,... and the San ysidro merchants are going to complain. I compare the refugee camps and chaos in Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, countless parts of Africa - to the minor disruption in San ysidro. The San ysidro shopkeepers got nothing to complain about. STFU! The San ysidro shopkeepers should think about the millions of refugees their government created when they bombed Iraq for WMDs that were fiction. the USA is today dealing with problem of refugees fleeing Central America - and the problems in Central America have their root in the USA’s control of Central America over the past 150 years. The USA supported a string of strong man dictators in Central America, and squashed democracies. The USA waged gun boat diplomacy. The USA propped up numerous dictator at the request of big business (fruit companies, oil companies, miners). USA: you created the problems in Central America, you fix them! The shopkeepers should ask their elected leaders why did they flock up Central America?

This is really all Spain’s fault. Those brutal conquistadores came and ruined those beautiful and peaceful countries to the south. Then the flourishing indigenous peoples of those lands were dispossessed by the influx of European exploiters who further suppressed the locals all the way up through Mexico. We should turn our attention to the true suppressors of the abused and demand compensation and free entrance to those nations who originally robbed the countries south of our border!!
And by the way, we should all demand that Goat man be thrown from his property and that said property in San Diego be returned to Mexico the rightful original owners…no wait I suppose the NATIVE AMERICANS who have tolerated 666 abusing their land be given the nice warm home he squats on illegally.

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We know it ‘’tis the season when the middle class shopkeepers complain about the poor people cluttering the streets and obstructing their business, and demand that government clear the streets of the homeless, the refugees, the teaming masses yearning o be free. Count on the shopkeepers to be motivated by greed during this holiday shopping season. Let’s put this in perspective. The shopkeepers are USA citizens, mostly. The USA has waged numerous wars overseas and created untold millions of refugees that streamed into neighboring countries, inconveniencing millions of shopkeepers,... and the San ysidro merchants are going to complain. I compare the refugee camps and chaos in Pakistan, Yemen, Syria, countless parts of Africa - to the minor disruption in San ysidro. The San ysidro shopkeepers got nothing to complain about. STFU! The San ysidro shopkeepers should think about the millions of refugees their government created when they bombed Iraq for WMDs that were fiction. the USA is today dealing with problem of refugees fleeing Central America - and the problems in Central America have their root in the USA’s control of Central America over the past 150 years. The USA supported a string of strong man dictators in Central America, and squashed democracies. The USA waged gun boat diplomacy. The USA propped up numerous dictator at the request of big business (fruit companies, oil companies, miners). USA: you created the problems in Central America, you fix them! The shopkeepers should ask their elected leaders why did they flock up Central America?

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This is really all Spain’s fault.

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Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   This is really all Spain’s fault. Not since 1854. John

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If I am not mistaking, after the refugee's busted through Mexico's door, they were offered asylum by said country. At that point, the caravan(s) of people were no longer in harms way in their home country. I don't know about you, but I would be pretty irritated if a group of people came storming through the front door of my home. As I understand it, many that live within Mexico are pretty biffed about it as well. Speaking of Costco, I'll be there for my buck-fifty hotdog and soda tomorrow.

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Meanwhile, A man arrested for killing a young teacher in a hit and run was out on bond for an assault charge dating back to 2017 in El Paso. El Paso Police arrested and charged 24-year old Joel Velazquez with Accident Involving Death killing Amanda Ferguson Weyant in a hit and run on Thanksgiving Day. KFOX14 reported that at the time of the crash he was out on bond from a 2017 assault charge. Father of the young woman said; "Her body was so mangled that they wouldn't even let me see my daughter" Probably won't see that young woman on the front of any newspapers. Google it.

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This is called taking out your wide paint brush and painting all undocumented immigrants, as criminals, drunks, and killers. I think it's rather sad, but also sadly the President, does this all the time to even legal Mexican or Hispanic immigrants. Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   Meanwhile, A man arrested for killing a young teacher in a hit and run was out on bond for an assault charge dating back to 2017 in El Paso. El Paso Police arrested and charged 24-year old Joel Velazquez with Accident Involving Death killing Amanda Ferguson Weyant in a hit and run on Thanksgiving Day. KFOX14 reported that at the time of the crash he was out on bond from a 2017 assault charge. Father of the young woman said; "Her body was so mangled that they wouldn't even let me see my daughter" Probably won't see that young woman on the front of any newspapers. Google it.

Sorry to say, but the United States in my home...

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Quote: Originally posted by drzura   If I am not mistaking, after the refugee's busted through Mexico's door, they were offered asylum by said country. At that point, the caravan(s) of people were no longer in harms way in their home country. I don't know about you, but I would be pretty irritated if a group of people came storming through the front door of my home. As I understand it, many that live within Mexico are pretty biffed about it as well. Speaking of Costco, I'll be there for my buck-fifty hotdog and soda tomorrow. Instead of making so many follow up posts in this thread to to caravan, you should instead take the time to understand the vague Mexico offer put in the press, and the United States legal obligations under international law in regards to asylum cases. On this forum there are many members who jump up and down and say always say follow the law and get the FMM even if you drive over the border and stay one day in a border town. Where is that same attitude towards the United States and the caravan migrants? Where are the call to President Trump, to follow the laws? Mexico's outgoing President Nieto, offered a vague temporary offer of IDs and work permits, but only if the migrants stayed in Chiapas, another extremely poor part of Mexico, and not too many jobs and probably no job that offered a living wage. There is nothing in US or International law that says the caravan migrants had to accept that vague Mexican temporary offer, although it's more peaceful in Mexico. Migrants have human rights to demand a better life. The United States, is obligated by law to allow the migrants apply for asylum. What the Trump administration, is doing is playing games, by dragging it's feet and is processing less than 100 asylum cases a day, and in some cases, I read they are processing less than 10 cases or no claims on some days. The President is doing this for political gain, thinking wrongly that it's going to help him get funding for the wall, that he said two years ago, he was going to make Mexico, pay for the wall. Trump, tried and failed to change the immigration laws by executive order, and so because he is mad, he takes it out on the poor migrant asylum seekers. Anybody could have predicted the caravan migrants, would try to crash the border, when the United States, is not living up it's obligations under International law, to allow the migrants to apply for asylum. Drzura, nobody is breaking into your home, you don't own the United States, nor are the immigration laws the same as home owners rights.

kilo program

"How about a program that enables those willing to sponsor an immigrant and personally guarantee their support? This would weed out those who want to spend others money on the free programs."

I sought out a way to do this in 2006. We have sponsored a family since 1997 in Guatemala. Wife and I met the father in the jungle around Peten back then. Never faltered at meeting their basic needs financially to stay where they are.

Just published a book about how I lost my construction job to illegal immigrants in the 70's and my struggle to lose the animosity over that. Titled "Through The Eyes Of Juan" (the father in Peten).

It is now available at my website 'Shadowspath.net' and every penny from those sales will help support this family in Guatemala as my wife and I retire.

It's an easy read with pictures...perfectly suitable for a rainy day and a margarita!

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How about taking care of the millions of US legal citizens who are homeless, have no medical insurance , live on EBT help, and have worked to pay for these programs before considering admitting thousands who have no means of supporting themselves? How about imposing the same requirements as Mexico for proving income and not becoming a liability before being allowed to immigrate to Mexico. There aren’t enough resources in this country to support all of the worlds poor that simply want a better life. There is an orderly process and must be limited to a quota that can be handled in approving asylum. These are many who have followed this process and have been pushed to the back of the line. How about a program that enables those willing to sponser an immigrant and personally guarantee their support? This would weed out those who want to spend others money on the free programs.

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Quote: Originally posted by drzura   A very unfortunate situation but maybe these people should not be rushing our border. It was quite a sight seeing them on the news channels rush through Mexico's southern border. Did Mexico say they were willing to take in these asylum seekers? Those refugees are so impolite. They really should stay home in Nicaragua and die silently at the hands of violent gangs instead of disrupting my shopping trip to Costco to buy another case of gin. Hey, let’s change that “peace, love, fish tacos” motto thing to “me, me, me, me want fish tacos, me want to pickle my brain in gin, me no want smelly poor people.”

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Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by drzura   A very unfortunate situation but maybe these people should not be rushing our border. It was quite a sight seeing them on the news channels rush through Mexico's southern border. Did Mexico say they were willing to take in these asylum seekers? Those refugees are so impolite. They really should stay home in Nicaragua and die silently at the hands of violent gangs instead of disrupting my shopping trip to Costco to buy another case of gin. Hey, let’s change that “peace, love, fish tacos” motto thing to “me, me, me, me want fish tacos, me want to pickle my brain in gin, me no want smelly poor people.” Maybe they should stay home and fix their own country!

They should have stayed home and died, eh?
You are a real piece of work

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Quote: Originally posted by mxracer50   Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by drzura   A very unfortunate situation but maybe these people should not be rushing our border. It was quite a sight seeing them on the news channels rush through Mexico's southern border. Did Mexico say they were willing to take in these asylum seekers? Those refugees are so impolite. They really should stay home in Nicaragua and die silently at the hands of violent gangs instead of disrupting my shopping trip to Costco to buy another case of gin. Hey, let’s change that “peace, love, fish tacos” motto thing to “me, me, me, me want fish tacos, me want to pickle my brain in gin, me no want smelly poor people.” Maybe they should stay home and fix their own country! They should have stayed home and died, eh? You are a real piece of work

@dalidali, I wish there was a "like" button.

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe

This is the photo that is going viral around the world that shows the Trump administration, using tear gas on migrants, including young children.

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

"How about a program that enables those willing to sponsor an immigrant and personally guarantee their support? This would weed out those who want to spend others money on the free programs." I sought out a way to do this in 2006. We have sponsored a family since 1997 in Guatemala. Wife and I met the father in the jungle around Peten back then. Never faltered at meeting their basic needs financially to stay where they are. Just published a book about how I lost my construction job to illegal immigrants in the 70's and my struggle to lose the animosity over that. Titled "Through The Eyes Of Juan" (the father in Peten). It is now available at my website 'Shadowspath.net' and every penny from those sales will help support this family in Guatemala as my wife and I retire. It's an easy read with pictures...perfectly suitable for a rainy day and a margarita!

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And Joe never batted an eye when the Obama administration used gas 53 times and pepper spray 151 times by CBP agents. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/26/obama-admin... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6436365/Tear-gas-us... https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/obama-used-t... https://www.bustle.com/p/did-obama-use-tear-gas-at-the-borde... Obama gas good. Atta boy Trump gas bad...hang him. Yeah buddy

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Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   And Joe never batted an eye when the Obama administration used gas 53 times and pepper spray 151 times by CBP agents. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/26/obama-admin... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6436365/Tear-gas-us... https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/obama-used-t... https://www.bustle.com/p/did-obama-use-tear-gas-at-the-borde... Obama gas good. Atta boy Trump gas bad...hang him. Yeah buddy DaliDali, I looked through a few of your links, which some of those links are indeed dubious, like the "Washington Times, " although I'm sure the Obama, administration border patrol, probably used tear gas before, because after all the border patrols, is mainly made up by a bunch of jack booted thugs, who washed out from becoming real cops. So these guys are bad in any administration, although in Obama's last years, he pretty much put a muzzle on the Border patrol, and stopped them from deporting non criminal undocumented Mexican workers. However, DaliDali, looking through your links, and photos, I don't see one case where the Border Patrol, was using tear gas on migrant women and children. So if you want to claim the Obama administration did the same thing, you need to show a photo or article where the US border patrol, used tear gas on women and children.......that's the outrage that it was done on young children. BTW DaliDali, your President who you love so much, denied tear gas was used on child migrants despite pictures, video. Later Trump, lied again, and said, " ‘a very minor form of the tear gas itself’’ was used. Hey DaliDali, there is no such thing as a very minor form of tear gas.

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Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   "How about a program that enables those willing to sponsor an immigrant and personally guarantee their support? This would weed out those who want to spend others money on the free programs." I sought out a way to do this in 2006. We have sponsored a family since 1997 in Guatemala. Wife and I met the father in the jungle around Peten back then. Never faltered at meeting their basic needs financially to stay where they are. Just published a book about how I lost my construction job to illegal immigrants in the 70's and my struggle to lose the animosity over that. Titled "Through The Eyes Of Juan" (the father in Peten). It is now available at my website 'Shadowspath.net' and every penny from those sales will help support this family in Guatemala as my wife and I retire. It's an easy read with pictures...perfectly suitable for a rainy day and a margarita! If you want to talk about regular immigration laws into the US, where the odds are stacked against Hispanic immigrants, again with this racist administration that wants to favor English speaking immigrants, ( white immigrants) that's another subject.

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Did or did not, the Obama admin CBP/ICE use gas and pepper spray or not? It is really that easy. Users of tear gas don't select one individual(s) to target, but rather an "area" where crowd control needs are present. The gas drifts with the breeze and may affect many people in the "plume" There are two versions of "tear gas"......a CS version and a CN version. CS gas is far more potent that CN. Perhaps Trump was eludiing to CN gas as "minor" form of that gas. Unless you have absolute proof that the CBP used the form CS as the gas agent, Trump may very well be correct with "minor"

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Immigration stats prove you wrong Joe..... 12 out of the 15 top countries whence immigrants come from, are NOT English speaking (white immigrants) Immigration laws and their applications on who is eligible and who is not is the same..... A requirements of a person from Viet Nam seeking to immigrate to the US is EXACTLY the same as for a person from Guatemala https://www.usnews.com/news/data-mine/articles/2018-05-01/im...

So in order for you to make an apple and apple comparison between the Trump, and The Obama, administration regarding tear gas, you need to show where under the Obama, administration tear gas was used on women and children.

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Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   "How about a program that enables those willing to sponsor an immigrant and personally guarantee their support? This would weed out those who want to spend others money on the free programs." I sought out a way to do this in 2006. We have sponsored a family since 1997 in Guatemala. Wife and I met the father in the jungle around Peten back then. Never faltered at meeting their basic needs financially to stay where they are. Just published a book about how I lost my construction job to illegal immigrants in the 70's and my struggle to lose the animosity over that. Titled "Through The Eyes Of Juan" (the father in Peten). It is now available at my website 'Shadowspath.net' and every penny from those sales will help support this family in Guatemala as my wife and I retire. It's an easy read with pictures...perfectly suitable for a rainy day and a margarita! Hello, the caravan and migrants, is about asylum, and the extreme dangers and lack of opportunity in their home countries that the United States, helped make worse by many ways. This is not to say that the majority of migrants will get asylum, as each case is looked at individually, however, with this racist Trump administration, the chances of being granted asylum in the US is very very slim. If you want to talk about regular immigration laws into the US, where the odds are stacked against Hispanic immigrants, again with this racist administration that wants to favor English speaking immigrants, ( white immigrants) that's another subject. Please stop with ridiculous programs about sponsoring an immigrant and guaranteeing their support. How is that going to work on a large scale seeing that most people do things for their own personal interest only. How is that going to work if you don't know anybody in the US to sponsor you? Who wrote the book, " Through The Eyes Of Juan?" I don't even see it on Amazon. It must not be a very good book, and in the 70's, undocumented Mexican workers was not a big problem, so if anybody is blaming undocumented Mexican workers for their lack of work in the 70's, is a loser, and he is engaged is scapegoating Mexicans.

"It must not be a very good book, and in the 70's, undocumented Mexican workers was not a big problem, so if anybody is blaming undocumented Mexican workers for their lack of work in the 70's, is a loser, and he is engaged is scapegoating Mexicans."

By the way JJJ, it was a huge issue in the southwest in the late 70's. Your ignorance and irrational baseless musings are sad. I would suspect that your prejudicial biases are the strength of your existence.

I wrote the longest private editorial ever published in the San Diego Union when I (and my coworkers) were driven out of construction by the contractors hiring illegal immigrants. I appeared on the Roger Hedgec-ck radio show shortly after. My experience is documented and now published.

Read and then critique. If you dare

Lets give a few of you, especially Gnukid, something to cheer about, because Gnukid, posted about Miriam Celaya, aka frijole lady, a few pages back in this thread.

Celaya, was caught trying to cross over the border, and was arrested.

I don't blame her, because after she made her negative comments about beans, she received death threats, and she had to do something.

I'm not offended by her comments about beans. I myself, don't like central American food, so if she doesn't like a Mexican stable food of beans, that's understandable, and she apologized for her remarks.

What I find racist is non-Mexicans calling her the frijole lady.
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Miriam Celaya, the migrant who refused beans, is detained

Miriam Celaya was arrested on Sunday after trying to cross from Tijuana to the United States illegally with the caravan of immigrants coming from Central America

After revealing that Miriam Celaya was under shelter in a shelter, it was learned that the Honduran migrant known as "reject" a dish of beans, is in a detention center in the United States.

https://www.excelsior.com.mx/nacional/detienen-a-miriam-cela...

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Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali   And Joe never batted an eye when the Obama administration used gas 53 times and pepper spray 151 times by CBP agents. https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/26/obama-admin... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6436365/Tear-gas-us... https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/obama-used-t... https://www.bustle.com/p/did-obama-use-tear-gas-at-the-borde... Obama gas good. Atta boy Trump gas bad...hang him. Yeah buddy DaliDali, I looked through a few of your links, which some of those links are indeed dubious, like the "Washington Times, " although I'm sure the Obama, administration border patrol, probably used tear gas before, because after all the border patrols, is mainly made up by a bunch of jack booted thugs, who washed out from becoming real cops. So these guys are bad in any administration, although in Obama's last years, he pretty much put a muzzle on the Border patrol, and stopped them from deporting non criminal undocumented Mexican workers. However, DaliDali, looking through your links, and photos, I don't see one case where the Border Patrol, was using tear gas on migrant women and children. So if you want to claim the Obama administration did the same thing, you need to show a photo or article where the US border patrol, used tear gas on women and children.......that's the outrage that it was done on young children. BTW DaliDali, your President who you love so much, denied tear gas was used on child migrants despite pictures, video. Later Trump, lied again, and said, " ‘a very minor form of the tear gas itself’’ was used. Hey DaliDali, there is no such thing as a very minor form of tear gas.

No one addressed the real issues