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Border Fence-1987

chuckie - 12-4-2018 at 01:09 AM



Border Fence 1987, South of Patagonia Az. Access on the Honor system. Gate in foreground provided access to Mexico. Please close after you. Kindr times and nicer people. pic needs resized..duno how to dothat-HELP!





[Edited on 12-4-2018 by BajaNomad]

ehall - 12-4-2018 at 08:31 AM

Old ranch south of Arivaca az. Chain link fence with a gate big enough to drive our quads through.

Paco Facullo - 12-4-2018 at 10:03 AM

No wonder people long for the "good O'l day's"

pacificobob - 12-4-2018 at 11:25 AM

i know a gal who has a multi-thousand-acre ranch in southeast AZ bordering for miles to mexico. the fence there looks about like that one.

sancho - 12-4-2018 at 01:28 PM

Saw a bit on TV, the original fence was put up to keep cattle
with some desiese from coming over. Tomorrow, I believe on
Discovery Channel is some live show from the border. Last
week walked to the beach, so. Imperial beach, where the fence
goes into the ocean. Then standing in the SY Outlet Mall,
realizing the caravan camp was 300' so., makes one super
appreciate, by happenstance, how fortunate one is to be born in the US


StuckSucks - 12-4-2018 at 02:03 PM

In '86 I worked for 4-5 months in El Centro. On days off I rode my dirt bike in the desert, which included into Mexico (west of Mexicali). The only thing marking the border were bench marks and the occasional small monument.

JZ - 12-5-2018 at 03:13 PM

Those are cool stories. So what's the wall look like in those rural spots today?

[Edited on 12-5-2018 by JZ]

Access and Honor 1987

MrBillM - 12-5-2018 at 04:42 PM

Given that President Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control act in November 1986 to "solve" the problem of 3.2 million who violated the honor system, that fence may be a poor example.

chuckie - 12-5-2018 at 05:34 PM

What does the fence have to do with not enforcing the law?

Good Fences .............

MrBillM - 12-5-2018 at 05:54 PM

.......... Keep people in their place.

Or, at least, help.

chuckie - 12-5-2018 at 05:59 PM

The quote is "Good fences make good neighbors" Mexico until lately has always been a good neighbor...

bajabuddha - 12-5-2018 at 06:19 PM

The United States has been a good neighbor to the whole world 'till lately...... :(

Perceburzr - 12-5-2018 at 07:59 PM

Making sure that trade is equal and making sure people enter the USA legally , makes the USA a bad neighbor ???? When I enter Mexico I have to have the proper paperwork . :?::?:

msawin - 12-5-2018 at 08:25 PM

Me to.
Proper paper work

ok.....

Immigration.
Insurance.
Pass Port.

chuckie - 12-5-2018 at 11:31 PM

The nut cases have arrived...Were they even BORN in 1987..OR Can they just not read?

LancairDriver - 12-6-2018 at 12:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
The nut cases have arrived...Were they even BORN in 1987..OR Can they just not read?


No, they have just elevated the post to a higher level. Now the sarcastic rhetoric can start to bring it down to normal. It’s just part of the entertainment.

Bubba - 12-6-2018 at 06:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Perceburzr  
Making sure that trade is equal and making sure people enter the USA legally , makes the USA a bad neighbor ???? When I enter Mexico I have to have the proper paperwork . :?::?:


You're making to much sense, knock it off!

Pacifico - 12-6-2018 at 11:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
The nut cases have arrived...Were they even BORN in 1987..OR Can they just not read?


Annnddddd……..the name calling begins! Another typical BN post gone sideways...

Barry A. - 12-6-2018 at 11:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks  
In '86 I worked for 4-5 months in El Centro. On days off I rode my dirt bike in the desert, which included into Mexico (west of Mexicali). The only thing marking the border were bench marks and the occasional small monument.


Interesting! In 1985 my son and I returned to the USA in a 4x4 pickup from a Mexico camping weekend at about the same place you mention here (via Pinto Wash---no fence) and were almost immediately arrested by the Border Patrol and escorted to the Calexico/Mexicali Border station for processing. Very embarrassing since I was a Supervisory Federal Law Enforcement Officer at the time, and my son was an Attorney. We were detained for 3 hours, and then released with a stern warning. Lesson learned----- Never did THAT again, and we should have known better..

David K - 12-6-2018 at 12:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks  
In '86 I worked for 4-5 months in El Centro. On days off I rode my dirt bike in the desert, which included into Mexico (west of Mexicali). The only thing marking the border were bench marks and the occasional small monument.


Interesting! In 1985 my son and I returned to the USA in a 4x4 pickup from a Mexico camping weekend at about the same place you mention here (via Pinto Wash---no fence) and were almost immediately arrested by the Border Patrol and escorted to the Calexico/Mexicali Border station for processing. Very embarrassing since I was a Supervisory Federal Law Enforcement Officer at the time, and my son was an Attorney. We were detained for 3 hours, and then released with a stern warning. Lesson learned----- Never did THAT again, and we should have known better..



In the late 1960s, my parents and I went rock-hounding in our Jeep Wagoneer to the desert around Ocotillo (on Old Hwy. 80, before I-8 was built). An old timer at the stone-walled cafe in Ocotillo told us of stories of the past (like when General Patton used the desert there to train for North Africa duty and all the trees that once grew there were plowed down by the tanks). Anyway, he gave us advice on where to find specimens and told us about the petrified wood and agate located just south of the border, south from Ocotillo and Pinto Wash. We drove south on a typical Jeep road and there was a rock-pile marking the border. U.S. was painted on one side, and Mex on the other... no fence and we just drove on south to 'Agate Mountain'. On the return, I seem to recall that we saw a border patrol Jeep CJ-5 and just waited until he left the area... and came back north. I love having these great 4-wheeling and Baja memories when I was a kid!

Times Change

MrBillM - 12-6-2018 at 12:45 PM

First traveling to Baja (on my own) 56 years ago after many trips to TJ and Ensenada as a child, I've made hundreds of trips south complying with whatever immigration regulations were required at the time.

Although there are continued irregular efforts to make analogies between those from the USA crossing into Mexico and migrants (from Mexico and Central America) attempting to travel northward into the USA, only in very rare (statistically insignificant) cases is there any validity. In the overwhelming majority of the former, there is economic benefit derived by Mexico. The same cannot be said for the northward migrations.

The sheer volume of existing illegal immigrants and would-be new entries dictates that the nostalgic old methods of immigration control have become inadequate.

I have no idea what the practical, reasonable, rational and humane answer to the problem is and I doubt anyone else here does, either, BUT I KNOW that an open border is NOT it.

Paraphrasing a quote regarding nostalgia ......................... "The past is a great place to visit, but you can't live there".



[Edited on 12-6-2018 by MrBillM]