BajaNomad - Motorcycle trip question.

Motorcycle trip question.

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 03:55 PM

I am thinking about taking a trip down the Baja peninsula in a trail motorcycle. What would you consider the best used trail bike for such trip? Honda XR 250, 350 etc. I need to be able to drive it from Walnut creek east bay down hiway 1. Would like the smallest possible in order to be able to pick it back up if I fall on the dirt, trail, beach etc. used to ride a honda xr 350 in the 70's. Would like to take a trip on the cheap, camping, fishing, any one interested? I could do it on a bicycle but that's more like work and you can't outrun a semi if need be. I could take my camper and diesel truck but that's a lot of stuff. Simplicity and minimalism is calling me.
Thanks for your replies, I expect some s!!t as well. Viva Mexico cuates.

fishbuck - 12-29-2018 at 04:10 PM

I love this idea.
But I don't think I can ever make myself drive a 250 Honda down the pennisular.
I was ruined by the invention of the "pickup truck".
:coolup:

Throw a bike and camping gear in ranger or tacoma.

[Edited on 12-29-2018 by fishbuck]

basautter - 12-29-2018 at 04:15 PM

The XR250 and XR350 were excellent bikes in their day, and if you can find one in good condition would work fine. I have had both. I now ride a KTM XC-W 300 2-stroke. It's lighter and more capable than either of the XRs, and not much taller. I may be interested depending on when, as may be a friend or two, IM me with details. Have fun!

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 04:16 PM

I know what you are talking about, but like they say it's now or never for me. Turning 62 and in good shape but eventually a motorcycle will not be an option. I would like to drive a few hours a day at most from town to town, beach to beach. Fish tacos and cervezas, siesta time. No marathon here. Looking at Baja in a slow paced manner. With a sore back.

fishbuck - 12-29-2018 at 04:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by basautter

The XR250 and XR350 were excellent bikes in their day, and if you can find one in good condition would work fine. I have had both. I now ride a KTM XC-W 300 2-stroke. It's lighter and more capable than either of the XRs, and not much taller. I may be interested depending on when, as may be a friend or two, IM me with details. Have fun!

That sounds perfect.
I still have a 2006 Honda CRF450 in my storage. Not a great trail bike but great on 100 foot jumps.
Still trying to figure out what to do with it. My 100 foot jump days are over.
It would haul donkey on the highway with supermoto tires. Probably do 100 mph no problem. Too scary.
I need a nice trail bike and a small motocross track for my 450... like 50 foot jumps biggest... mostly smaller.
But I would love to ride in the mountains by Mike's Skyranch. Some mellow single track on something very nimble and torqey.

fishbuck - 12-29-2018 at 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by deportes

I know what you are talking about, but like they say it's now or never for me. Turning 62 and in good shape but eventually a motorcycle will not be an option. I would like to drive a few hours a day at most from town to town, beach to beach. Fish tacos and cervezas, siesta time. No marathon here. Looking at Baja in a slow paced manner. With a sore back.

I hear you brother.
I'm having Baja and Dirt bike dreams alot these days. I squeeze it in between fishing and flying fantasies.

I love my truck. The only way it gets better is with a dirt bike in the back and a ... well you know

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 04:31 PM

Sounds like fun, I need a street legal bike in order to drive it down Hiway 1 from SFO area. You sound like you had fun riding at one point.
I will keep you in mind for a possible trip. I am retired and it's time to travel without a care. Como dicen en Mexico, manana!

fishbuck - 12-29-2018 at 04:38 PM

You are ballzy that is forsure!

fishbuck - 12-29-2018 at 04:43 PM

I have a fishcamp in San Quintin.
I am most definately going to learn all the trails in the mountains.
And explore out from there. And find or build a "vet" moto track near my camp.
Now I want a turbo UTV like in see in the 1000. Wow!

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 04:45 PM

Between ballzy and stupid there is a fine line, is it my brain playing tricks on me? I could just stay home and sail in clearlake, BBq. watch movies, drink great lake county wines. Old age dreaming i guess.

TMW - 12-29-2018 at 05:09 PM

The newer bikes are much better in what they can do BUT they are also much more complicated when it comes to repairs and service. A 2 stroke is out of the question as far as making a solo trip down Baja unless in a group. Mixing oil with PEMEX gas is sometimes iffy at best. I can't say much for other brands but the XR air cooled Honda is an excellent bike as long as you don't keep it wide open for any long period of time. My last bike was a 2004 XR250 (last year they were made) and it was a great bike for me. I put a lowering link on it and had the seat shaved, those two combined dropped the seat height about 2 inches. A 4 gallon tank and Scotts steering stab. made it a great trail bike for Baja or the desert. I often thought of doing a solo trip down Baja on it but never did. There are enough trails in Baja that you can go from Tecate to La Paz or Cabo with very little highway miles.

Jinete Viejo - 12-29-2018 at 05:33 PM

It's the indian, not the arrow. A couple of years ago I met a guy in Constitucion who bought a 100cc Honda in Chile and was riding it home to Canada. You will also see a lot of guys in Baja on adventure bikes that are upwards of 1000cc. As far as I'm concerned the best bike for the kind of ride you are talking about is in the 400 - 500cc range. If money is no object, many consider the KTM 500 EXC to be the best for your type of ride. If you could find a plated, low mileage, XR400 Honda then that would be a good choice budget wise.

AKgringo - 12-29-2018 at 05:50 PM

What month(s) do you anticipate making your run? I don't have any useful motorcycle related tips to offer, but just don't over think it or you will never get out of Walnut Creek!

ReTire - 12-29-2018 at 06:18 PM

I have had way too many motorcycles in my life. Currently ride a 500 exc. Very capable street legal dirt bike. I’m of the opinion that it would be a great Baja machine. Only issue is....getting it there.
For me that would a long grueling ride to get to the border. And you are going to have to be loaded up with your junk on it.

I’m definitely following this thread to see what you decide.
Good Luck

ehall - 12-29-2018 at 06:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ReTire

I have had way too many motorcycles in my life. Currently ride a 500 exc. Very capable street legal dirt bike. I’m of the opinion that it would be a great Baja machine. Only issue is....getting it there.
For me that would a long grueling ride to get to the border. And you are going to have to be loaded up with your junk on it.

I’m definitely following this thread to see what you decide.
Good Luck

I have left my truck in the pay to park lot in Tecate for a week at a time.

JZ - 12-29-2018 at 06:29 PM

No way in hell would I take a 250 on MX 1 that far.

We have 2 newer KTM 250s. They are very fast, but not made for the highway more than short rides. Farthest we've taken them is BoLA to Gonzaga.

You want a 450 minimum.

Best bet would be to take your truck and carry the bike. Put it on a hitch carrier.

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 06:32 PM

Thanks guys for all the great responses, I am trying to talk my wife into driving me to the border in the truck with a bike in tow. I think about the ride from SFO to the border on a trail bike and it really turns me off to the whole idea. I think I am dreaming of trail riding in Baja but not in the USA hiway. I think a 400xr would be a good choice for me, do not have unlimited resources or willing to buy a new bike for it. I am a weekend mechanic so I could go through it and make it as reliable as possible. I understand the comment about riding it balls out to the border, air cooled and old wouldn't be a great idea. Thanks for your replies. I am still mauling it over, wondering if I have one more crazy adventure in these old bones.. I was born in Chile so I guess the story of the guy riding from Chile on a 100cc bike doesn't surprise me.

ehall - 12-29-2018 at 06:32 PM

You plan on running the highway or as much dirt as possible?

4x4abc - 12-29-2018 at 06:55 PM

riding Baja on a motor cycle is like walking Baja - only faster
Mackintosh on steroids
I you want campfire, divine food and godly drinks - get a truck
any truck

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 07:02 PM

I would like to stay off road as much as possible, not trying to beat the baja 1000 record, for the contrary. One day you ride 1 hour and fish or watch the birds. next day could be four hours to the next stop. As I am trying to explain to my wife it would be nice for once to go without time limit, itinerary or expectations of making it to a place. More like driving from one beach to the other, from one fish taco stand to the next. I traveled with a friend from SFO to San Diego in the 80's sleeping on the beach on a sleeping bag. Afterwards it was family and kids, job and responsibilities. It could be all a dream but dreams are free and if you are going to dream, dream big. I am a very outgoing person and speak fluent english and mexican, lived in the DF for 4 years while going to high school. Si senor! Any retired person interested?

JZ - 12-29-2018 at 07:06 PM

I don't mean to be an ass, but this "trip" sounds like one of the dumbest ideas of all time.

Probably a troll thread.

[Edited on 12-30-2018 by JZ]

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 07:10 PM

You may be correct.

motoged - 12-29-2018 at 07:34 PM

Will there be drone videos?

Fishbuck can fly them....after he builds a motoX track,,,,after building a hangar...after buying Udo's place....which will be a fly-in motoX resort....

KurtG - 12-29-2018 at 07:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by deportes

You may be correct.

Don't let the naysayers discourage you. I've been riding around Baja for 45 years on a wide variety of bikes. I don't now and never did have the off road ability of JZ and his boys but have not let that stop me from exploring countless back roads on two wheels. One of the best was an old xl350, mid-70's vintage that was heavy, slow but reliable as that proverbial axe. I'm more than a decade older than you and my back country stuff is mostly on 4 wheels these days but I still ride Baja mostly on my ancient KLR650 now equipped with street tires.

About 25 years ago I was riding north from Gonzaga Bay and met a guy who had traveled all the way from Chicago on an old Yamaha xt250 who said he was going to keep going south until either the bike died or he reached Ushaia. He was having the time of his life.

I've always felt I could have fun on just about any machine with two wheels and a motor.

deportes - 12-29-2018 at 08:34 PM

Thanks KurtG. I am still pondering the idea. My wife laughs at me saying I should stay at home on the lake, sailing and enjoying life. Yo sigo pensando en Mexico y la belleza de Baja California.
Salud.

pacificobob - 12-30-2018 at 08:47 AM

i think a motorbike for that trip needs to be able to do 65mph comfortably. and weigh south of 300lbs.
most of my saddle time in dirt road mexico has been on a DRZ400 suzuki, and a husky 610TE. both are light and nimble enough, but won't bum you out when you need to do several hours on the pavement at speed. you can find the DRZs for around $3k , fit a large fuel tank, and go. they are very tough and hard to break.

motoged - 12-30-2018 at 08:49 AM

Sounds like OP is relatively new to motorcycles....or at least needs a serious update on skills and what's what.

Maybe riding around home a bit would prepare him....and his wife for any upcoming Baja riding.....

And then "go for it" :coolup:

Cancamo - 12-30-2018 at 09:51 AM

It's doable, but if you are packing fishing and camping gear, as well as normal clothes & water.... you are going to need a bigger bike than a 250, with more cargo capacity.

Have traveled throughout the republic on a 650, needed every inch of space in cargo bags.

mcnut - 12-30-2018 at 12:02 PM

I have not read all the posts but have scanned most and....
Owned many bikes from small displacement to large, extremely light to fairly heavy over many years and believe KISS is good strategy for solo Baja.
From the sound of it you have not ridden much in recent years and are budget constrained I would look for a clean Suzuki DR350S. Simple aircooled, carbureted and comfey with a nice wide ratio gearbox.

There are others of course, XT225 (aircooled, carb), XT250 (aircooled, injected), DR400S (watercooled, Carb but narrow gearbox) and DR650 (aircooled, Carb but heavy).

Bruce

Currently in garage; CRF230 (wife), XT250 (for loaning to guests), Beta 500RS, DR650 (just sold), Husky TE630 and Tri 800 Tiger.

pacificobob - 12-30-2018 at 12:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by deportes

You may be correct.

or maybe he was just being an ass, go have an adventure. don't let folks urinate on your cornflakes. i ride off-road with guys over 70yo often

[Edited on 12-30-2018 by pacificobob]

willardguy - 12-30-2018 at 01:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck

I love this idea.
But I don't think I can ever make myself drive a 250 Honda down the pennisular.
I was ruined by the invention of the "pickup truck".
:coolup:

Throw a bike and camping gear in ranger or tacoma.

[Edited on 12-29-2018 by fishbuck]

im gonna go with this...with an XR400 in the back.

salud!

TMW - 12-30-2018 at 02:03 PM

A buddy and I rode a pair of 1986 Yamaha YZ250 2 strokes from Tecate to La Paz pre-running the 1989 Baja 1000, yes we had a chase team. We also raced it that year until the silt beds south of San Ignacio sand papered the engine.

We then went to Cabo and went deep sea fishing.

[Edited on 12-30-2018 by TMW]

TedZark - 12-30-2018 at 03:30 PM

I've got a 2014 Honda CRF250L and have taken as far as San Matir from Ensenada - and up past San Diego, even to Phoenix. It's fine on the freeway, it's great on dirt. It's not perfect for either (it's got roughly 50:50 tires - not perfect for anything) but is is the most RELIABLE ride I've ever had. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to take it solo to Cabo and back to Ensenada. Almost all my riding here is solo. It's not a macho bike, but it gets the job done. Don't want to do much over 65-70 on the freeway/tollway. It's not really heavy enough to feel comfortable over 70. It's not big enough to haul a lot of stuff. Okay if you keep things simple. Stock, it has a tiny gas tank, so need to consider that. Street legal.

I tend to think it is small enough to keep me out of trouble. When I had bigger bikes I was always getting speeding tickets and on the edge a bit too much around corners, passing and high speed. I LOVE acceleration.

Go and enjoy. I don't care how old you are. The older the better.

wessongroup - 12-30-2018 at 04:48 PM

John Harper - 12-30-2018 at 05:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mcnut

There are others of course, XT225 (aircooled, carb), XT250 (aircooled, injected), DR400S (watercooled, Carb but narrow gearbox) and DR650 (aircooled, Carb but heavy).

My buddy has 3 XT225s and just got a DRZ400S. I fix them for him. The XT225 is a darn nice little bike, the DRZ just too tall for me. Both seem quite well built. I think I'd go with the XT225, not just because I fit better, but having air cooled is one less system to worry about. Plus, they are very light so you can pull them out of sand, etc.

My buddy also remarked that the XT225s have side handles that make loading the bike in his truck much easier. He almost lost it with the DRZ the other day getting it into his brother's taller full size pickup. Not fun to almost have a 300+ pound bike fall off the ramp onto you.

John

[Edited on 12-31-2018 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 12-30-2018 at 05:46 PM

Op:
Dont listen to the critics. They are all overweight gringos that need an extra 200 cc to haul their beer guts. They also cant camp without a generator, tv, microwave, blender and heavy duty cots (heavy duty for those beer bellies).

Gringos are heavy travelers, carry too much stuff, they think you need a ford expedition just to shop the corner grocery store.

You can travel with under 35 lbs of gear, ask any backpacker or bicylcle tourer, or ask any non-gringo.

imlost - 12-30-2018 at 05:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mcnut

I have not read all the posts but have scanned most and....
Owned many bikes from small displacement to large, extremely light to fairly heavy over many years and believe KISS is good strategy for solo Baja.
From the sound of it you have not ridden much in recent years and are budget constrained I would look for a clean Suzuki DR350S. Simple aircooled, carbureted and comfey with a nice wide ratio gearbox.

There are others of course, XT225 (aircooled, carb), XT250 (aircooled, injected), DR400S (watercooled, Carb but narrow gearbox) and DR650 (aircooled, Carb but heavy).

Bruce

Currently in garage; CRF230 (wife), XT250 (for loaning to guests), Beta 500RS, DR650 (just sold), Husky TE630 and Tri 800 Tiger.

In my opinion, this is the best response to the original question.

The best bike for trail and dirt roads or older guys is a Yamaha TW200, but the top end is limited to about 55mph, which doesn't work for highway travel.

I definitely would do this trip if I had the time. I'd plan to stay in hotels to recharge and clean up, and camp when that's not convenient.

willardguy - 12-30-2018 at 05:58 PM

listen to the tool that nobody believes has ever even seen the baja peninsula, let alone hiked, backpacked or bicycled any of it.....but he did rock that RM80! :coolup:

allegedly anyway....probably right before his stint as a commercial fisherman. you cant believe anything this azzhole says.

[Edited on 12-31-2018 by willardguy]

imlost....sorry obviously I was talking about the goat....

[Edited on 12-31-2018 by willardguy]

John Harper - 12-30-2018 at 06:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Op:
Dont listen to the critics. They are all overweight gringos that need an extra 200 cc to haul their beer guts. They also cant camp without a generator, tv, microwave, blender and heavy duty cots (heavy duty for those beer bellies).

Gringos are heavy travelers, carry too much stuff, they think you need a ford expedition just to shop the corner grocery store.

You can travel with under 35 lbs of gear, ask any backpacker or bicylcle tourer, or ask any non-gringo.

Someone got a lump of coal for Christmas.

John

ehall - 12-30-2018 at 06:44 PM

Find a friend or 2 to go with you. Cheap hotels, no camping gear to carry.

bajatrailrider - 12-30-2018 at 06:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

HAAAA the village Idiot MT666 gives advice Does not even know how ride a dirt bike. A Troll comes :bounce:

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mtgoat666 - 12-30-2018 at 07:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

HAAAA the village Idiot MT666 gives advice Does not even know how ride a dirt bike. A Troll comes :bounce:

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The toothless knuckle-dragging grammarian speaks!

Hey toothless,
The first person to ride across continental USA in a motorcycle had more smaller bike, less luggage and bigger dick than you!

“Wyman used his 1902 California machine for his crossing of the United States. The California had a 200 cc (12 cu in), 1.5 hp (1.1 kW) four-stroke engine attached to an ordinary diamond-frame bicycle.[2][5][6] Wyman's machine was equipped with 28 x 1.5 in. tires, wooden rims, a leading-link front suspension fork, a Garford spring saddle, a Duck Brake Company front roller brake, and a 1902-patent Atherton rear coaster brake.[2][5][7] A leather belt-drive with a spring-loaded idler pulley directly connected the engine output shaft to the rear wheel.[5] Using a standard steel bicycle frame, the California weighed approximately 70–80 pounds (32–36 kg) without rider, and was capable of approximately 25 mph (40 km/h) using the 30-octane gasoline of the day, with a range of 75 to 100 miles (121 to 161 km).[5][8] Throttle control was not yet perfected, and engine revolutions were mainly controlled by means of a spark timing mechanism.[5] The wick-type carburetor was crude, consisting of a metal box with internal baffles stuffed with cotton batting.[9] With no float chamber, the rider had to open the gasoline tap periodically to admit fuel into the carburetor.

For such a long trip, Wyman carried a remarkably small amount of gear. A set of warm clothing, money, water bottle, cans for spare oil and gasoline, a Kodak Vest Pocket camera, a cyclometer, various bicycle tools and spare parts, and a long-barreled .38 Smith & Wesson revolver constituted his total luggage.”

LancairDriver - 12-30-2018 at 08:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

HAAAA the village Idiot MT666 gives advice Does not even know how ride a dirt bike. A Troll comes :bounce:

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If Wyman were traveling today he would go with this, and take goat along to help with fuel expenses.

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advrider - 12-31-2018 at 09:37 AM

A lot of good advice given. I ride a KTM 500 EXC and love it, magic button and plenty of power, the 350 is just as good but the prices and weight are almost the same. They aren't cheap but you can turn around and sell it for what you paid after the trip!
We left our truck on the US side of the Tecate crossing for 30 dollars a month and nothing was missing when we got back, worked out good. We travel lite and hotel it but if you keep the weight down with your gear you will be just fine. Look up some Baja ride reports on ADVRIDER, a few good ones about camping off of smaller bikes in Baja.
I think you have a very solid plan/dream and should get out and do it while you can, wait to sit around the until you have to! Have the wife fly into Cabo for a week when you get there and hangout. Lets get this ride started already....

imlost - 12-31-2018 at 10:08 AM

For whatever bike you choose, I recommend you strongly consider the height of the bike. Riding in loose dirt/sand is SO much easier and safer if you can dab your feet when you need to. The more flat-footed that dabbing is, the less chance you'll end up in a pile with your bike. If your bike is tall, consider lowering it to a height that allows for this.

deportes - 12-31-2018 at 10:51 AM

Great information amigos de Baja California. I am 5 foot 10, 190 pounds of fat and muscle so almost any bike will do. No prescriptions needed to keep me going, few vitamins and minerals to keep me healthy. All my friends are into a completely different life than me, they are still accumulating money and stuff. Competing with the Joneses. I know it sounds crazy as my wife continues to remind me of it. I could stay at the lake, sailing and drinking Lake county wine every day with the BBQd meat. But I have a dream that keeps coming back year after year specially after reading Baja Nomads posts and viewing pictures. Gracias que tengan un Feliz Agno nuevo. Salud y Bienestar!

advrider - 12-31-2018 at 11:26 AM

I was caught up in the rut of keeping up with the Jones at one time, but now we are down sizing so we can travel more and enjoy the world, not stuff! I can retire at 50 making a little less than waiting until 53 or 55, under two years I'm out!
Another good bike that might fit your budget better and will get the job done is a Suzuki DRZ 400. I've had several and they are good all around but plan on doing the seat, jetting and a little suspension work! Better yet buy one that is done and let the seller eat the price of the extras!

deportes - 12-31-2018 at 11:43 AM

Thanks advrider. I will look into the bike.

motoged - 12-31-2018 at 12:13 PM

Picking the "right bike" is up to the individual....likely after a few years of riding experience....most opinions will reflect the person's personal choices....which may not match the OP's experience/preferences.

Some folks want a golf-cart ride, others a low seat aspect due to genetic predispositions, and the rest want dependability/fun factors.

Some are dreamers....some are doers....

Some models suggested are antique models no longer in production....and difficult to find in good shape....

Practical advice is different than "nay-saying" responses...a dedicated rider will likely want good equipment...fair-weather riders will be less demanding for occasional weekend-warrioring...

Synopsis:

*** KTM/Husky 350-525 range are top choices for serious riders;
*** Suzuki 350-400 might be next in line....after suspension work...but heavier;
*** Whatever runs suits the rest....cuz it's just about having fun out there :coolup:

Now....let's talk tars and oil....

JZ - 12-31-2018 at 01:42 PM

Ok, sounds like we have ruled out doing this on a 250, which is what I thought was very silly. I mean we ride 250's, but with a chase truck, and generally not more than 100 miles a day, usually closer to 60-80 miles a day.

After you've got a bike, the next step would be to start riding local to build up your skills. Tons of places in California to do that. In SoCal, our favorite spot is Ballinger Canyon.

[Edited on 12-31-2018 by JZ]

John Harper - 12-31-2018 at 02:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Now....let's talk tars and oil....

I think my buddy is looking for some "tars" for his DRZ400S. He does mostly dirt riding, with some street, mainly Green Valley Lake (San Bernardino's) and Earthquake Valley (Anza Borrego?). Any recommendations?

How about tubes? He had a flat on one of the XT's and we put a premium thick tube as replacement.

John

[Edited on 12-31-2018 by John Harper]

deportes - 12-31-2018 at 02:16 PM

I can ride in Cow mountain recreation area near Clearlake Ca. where I live 50 % of the time. used to ride dirt bicycle all over Ca hills and mountains so I should be able to handle the dirt. How does a 650KLR sound, I know its far from a 350 400cc but the prices are cheap on those bikes.

willardguy - 12-31-2018 at 02:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Now....let's talk tars and oil....

Larry (bajatrailrider) has some xlnt advice here, use the search function :yes:

KasloKid - 12-31-2018 at 02:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Picking the "right bike" is up to the individual....likely after a few years of riding experience....most opinions will reflect the person's personal choices....which may not match the OP's experience/preferences.

Some folks want a golf-cart ride, others a low seat aspect due to genetic predispositions, and the rest want dependability/fun factors.

Some are dreamers....some are doers....

Some models suggested are antique models no longer in production....and difficult to find in good shape....

Practical advice is different than "nay-saying" responses...a dedicated rider will likely want good equipment...fair-weather riders will be less demanding for occasional weekend-warrioring...

Synopsis:

*** KTM/Husky 350-525 range are top choices for serious riders;
*** Suzuki 350-400 might be next in line....after suspension work...but heavier;
*** Whatever runs suits the rest....cuz it's just about having fun out there :coolup:

Now....let's talk tars and oil....

This !!!

imlost - 12-31-2018 at 02:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by deportes

I can ride in Cow mountain recreation area near Clearlake Ca. where I live 50 % of the time. used to ride dirt bicycle all over Ca hills and mountains so I should be able to handle the dirt. How does a 650KLR sound, I know its far from a 350 400cc but the prices are cheap on those bikes.

I haven't ridden one, but I sat on a new one at a local Dealer... It was pretty tall for me, and I'm also about your size. Other than that, I really liked the bike. I've heard about problems with the 2008 and 2009 engines - you might want to stay away from those models.

A 650 is a lot of dirt bike if you don't have dirt experience on a motorcycle.

JZ - 12-31-2018 at 02:30 PM

For sure you want to be able to change a flat pretty easily in the field.

If you need any tracks let me know, I've got thousands of miles of them.

deportes - 12-31-2018 at 02:35 PM

Thanks, yup. pretty big bike. cheap doesn't mean good fit. Forget about it.

fishbuck - 12-31-2018 at 02:36 PM

Something with electric start is good. Some of those big singles are hard to kick. And don't start easy when hot.

fishbuck - 12-31-2018 at 02:45 PM

Watercooled

willardguy - 12-31-2018 at 03:02 PM

a week away from Dakar and A1......just stay home and watch it! :lol:

pacificobob - 12-31-2018 at 03:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by imlost

For whatever bike you choose, I recommend you strongly consider the height of the bike. Riding in loose dirt/sand is SO much easier and safer if you can dab your feet when you need to. The more flat-footed that dabbing is, the less chance you'll end up in a pile with your bike. If your bike is tall, consider lowering it to a height that allows for this.

good council

advrider - 12-31-2018 at 03:58 PM

I've ridden several KLR'S and they can do anything, they just don't do dirt or sand very well. Heavy and under powered, tall geared, good for some slab. Whatever bike you get, get out in some deep sand and get comfortable with it, you will be glad you did.

JZ - 12-31-2018 at 04:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Whatever bike you get, get out in some deep sand and get comfortable with it, you will be glad you did.

Yep. Lots of Baja trails have gnarly deep sand in patches where you hit the washes. Your first reaction will be to slow down, but this creates more instability. Keeping your speed and giving it even more throttle gives you much greater control.

Unless you've experienced this, hitting it for the first time in Baja is gonna be eye opening.

At least it doesn't hurt much if you go down, but you are dirty as hell. :yes:

[Edited on 12-31-2018 by JZ]

willardguy - 12-31-2018 at 04:28 PM

the deciding factor will be whether he decides to run whatcha brung or put something in the bed, I know what I'd do! whats Larry say??

imlost - 12-31-2018 at 04:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Whatever bike you get, get out in some deep sand and get comfortable with it, you will be glad you did.

[Edited on 12-31-2018 by JZ]

I agree. There's sort of a sweet spot. Too slow, and you have no control. There's a point in acceleration that you gain control by going faster - sort of like when you learned to ride a bicycle. I think it's safest to stay in that sweet spot - Too fast, and you risk major sand munch. 3rd gear is great on my bike.

KurtG - 12-31-2018 at 05:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by deportes

Thanks, yup. pretty big bike. cheap doesn't mean good fit. Forget about it.

I have 150k miles on my KLR. Do not confuse it with a dirt bike. It has served me well since it is a pretty good highway bike and handles most dirt roads and two track ok but it is heavy and has a high center of gravity. Mine has seen lots of Baja dirt miles but with lots of caution. The KLR has a reputation as a workhorse which is well deserved but it has not changed much mechanically since it was introduced 31 years ago.

basautter - 12-31-2018 at 05:35 PM

In reference to prior posts, and posts to come, the KLR 650 is a good machine for pavement and firm dirt, but front heavy and a pig in soft terrain. The DRZ 400 is not a bad choice at all. A bit heavy, but manageable in sand and silt. Plus, it's a nice ride on pavement and gravel roads. The XR400 is good if you are on a budget. It's old school technology (conventional forks, air cooled, no electric start...) but get's the job done. I have ridden all three in a variety of terrains. The KTM XC-W 300 remains my favorite (also older EXC-300s). :light:

[Edited on 1-1-2019 by basautter]

[Edited on 1-1-2019 by basautter]

imlost - 12-31-2018 at 06:00 PM

It's good to hear from you guys with actual KLR 650 experience.

fishbuck - 12-31-2018 at 06:31 PM

4-stroke probably best.

fishbuck - 12-31-2018 at 06:46 PM

fishbuck - 12-31-2018 at 10:28 PM

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bajatrailrider - 12-31-2018 at 10:37 PM

He should haul a bike close to border go from there. Unload go Xr400 best. Or Wr450f those two bikes most reliable. 5 ft 8 and under geared up crf230f with few mods works well for short less exp rider. If he wants to ride dirt the fools sport bikes way too heavy. KTMs plated too much coin too tall for short riders. Crf450L too new to tell if a no problem bike. Two smokes poor choice unless someone hauls fuel for you.

bajatrailrider - 12-31-2018 at 10:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Op:
Dont listen to the critics. They are all overweight gringos that need an extra 200 cc to haul their beer guts. They also cant camp without a generator, tv, microwave, blender and heavy duty cots (heavy duty for those beer bellies).

Gringos are heavy travelers, carry too much stuff, they think you need a ford expedition just to shop the corner grocery store.
This is what we need idiot info from 1902 are you just stupid yes hair brains. You could not ride a dirt bike 5 feet in the sand. :bounce:

Toothless loser JAAAAA
You can travel with under 35 lbs of gear, ask any backpacker or bicylcle tourer, or ask any non-gringo.

HAAAA the village Idiot MT666 gives advice Does not even know how ride a dirt bike. A Troll comes :bounce:

to life

Real good toothless Idiot advice from 1902 . Poor loser knows :bounce:

nothing cant ride a bike but gives advice.

[Edited on 1-1-2019 by bajatrailrider]

pacificobob - 1-1-2019 at 09:42 AM

i think the klr is an excellent motorbike....just really boring. not very perky. i have met guys riding in viet nam, kazakstan and china who are halfway on an around the world trip. very few problems.

basautter - 1-2-2019 at 05:18 AM

True, the KLR is bomb proof and a good ride, just not the best in loose sand and silt. Most bikes are not, with the exception of MX and endure models. If you want to ride beaches, the KLR is not on the A list.

bajatrailrider - 1-2-2019 at 08:29 AM

The KLR has been around for ever great bike. As far as in the dirt hard pack ok. Where we ride no go horse trail no trail mud Sand Hill climb. Since any dirt road we ride aways has places washed out or hard spot's. The KLR would be best left on the street.

Italianewbie - 1-27-2019 at 10:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by deportes

Thanks KurtG. I am still pondering the idea. My wife laughs at me saying I should stay at home on the lake, sailing and enjoying life. Yo sigo pensando en Mexico y la belleza de Baja California.
Salud.

I've sent you a PM, I'm very inteested.

Fatboy - 1-29-2019 at 11:02 AM

Lots of advice on here, some good.

If you do it, just treat it as the adventure that it is.

People have ridden trail 90's farther, so just about anything would work, some bikes, would just take a little more effort and planning.

Always thought it would be cool to try a long trip on a mid-70's to mid-80's dual-sport bike.

Either way I think many would love to hear about your trip on here if you do end up going.

elfbrewery - 1-29-2019 at 02:08 PM

Yes, please post a report!

advrider - 1-29-2019 at 08:36 PM

Look at CL and see what fits your price. XR400, DRZ 400, whatever you like, just do it! I'm past kicking a bike over after severing my ACL in Baja and ridding my XR650R five days back to the border! When you get tired or hurt the magic button, is, well, MAGIC... If you start at the border a 250 would work just fine two!

JZ - 1-29-2019 at 09:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider

Look at CL and see what fits your price. XR400, DRZ 400, whatever you like, just do it! I'm past kicking a bike over after severing my ACL in Baja and ridding my XR650R five days back to the border! When you get tired or hurt the magic button, is, well, MAGIC... If you start at the border a 250 would work just fine two!

After climbing enough really steep hills you quickly learn having a "button" to get you gong again is a must.

I learned it very early. It was one thing for me, but even bigger was helping my two boys. Having to help them (at age 12) start a stalled bike on a 30 degrees rise and then go back to my bike was a buzz kill.

brumsky - 2-4-2019 at 04:47 PM

If you are new to biking and looking for something affordable and reliable to do a ton of two track miles in baja I would go with a drz 400. Not nearly as nimble as the other bikes listed, but not difficult to pick up if you drop it. It has an electric start. One big plus is that it can do a trip like you are describing without needing multiple oil changes along the way. The engine is very stable and you can do all those street miles in a day without killing it. Plus its cheap, there are a zillion after market parts for it, and there is a ton of bikes for sale on craigslist

towntaco - 2-4-2019 at 10:13 PM

XR650R with a Rekluse clutch is the best Baja bike, bar none.

[Edited on 2-5-2019 by towntaco]

advrider - 2-5-2019 at 08:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by towntaco

XR650R with a Rekluse clutch is the best Baja bike, bar none.

Before I had my KTM 500 EXC I would have agreed with you. Now I know the XR is heavy, out dated and has less power then a newer 500 and I loved my XR..

[Edited on 2-5-2019 by advrider]

[Edited on 2-5-2019 by advrider]

del mar - 2-5-2019 at 09:30 AM

what Howards grammy said.........

Bike Trip

BajaBean - 2-5-2019 at 12:13 PM

Mar 2016 Rode my 2000 Honda Valkyrie (800lbs) with two of my buddies (also on heavy road bikes) to GN to see the whales. Hemet to El Rosario 12 hrs the first day over potholes with a little pavement between them. Went into one of them and came up two miles later. Used to ride a 76 Yamaha 500 TT (I am old now and don't ride dirt anymore). I can recommend this trip to anyone. Having a 40 ton animal bring her baby for you to touch is a unequaled experience. Que te vaya bien.