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Rosarito tourism dead due to Trump’s manufactured border crisis

mtgoat666 - 1-19-2019 at 08:17 AM

Article in the NY Times about how Rosarito tourism is dead due to Donald Trump’s manufactured border crisis scaring off the tourists...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/world/americas/rosarito-m...


[Edited on 1-19-2019 by mtgoat666]

Bubba - 1-19-2019 at 10:06 AM

This so called "manufactured" crisis has absolutely nothing to do with the tourism drop. You Libs are a funny lot!

JoeJustJoe - 1-19-2019 at 10:08 AM

Can you post the full article? I asked because I used up my quota for free articles from the NY Times.


tobias - 1-19-2019 at 10:16 AM

ROSARITO, Mexico — On a forlorn beach, a long line of riderless horses shuffled along, their wrangler unable to spot a single sightseer who might want to hop on.

The vendors selling fruit and candy, or touting massages and tattoos, had relinquished their efforts to find customers and instead sprawled on the sand.

Inside the landmark Rosarito Beach Hotel, only the backdrop sound of the ocean waves interrupted the silence.

The tourist town of Rosarito, Mexico, usually bustling with throngs of young Americans partying at crowded dance clubs, was desolate. While winter is not peak season, residents say business has never been this bad.

“This is not normal, it’s all empty!” said Luis Pacheco, a waiter at Papas and Beer, a popular beachside bar.

“This used to be full of people,” he said, pointing at the rows of colorful wooden chairs on the sand, devoid of sunbathers.

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Those who depend on American visitors for their livelihood attribute the steep falloff in tourism here to the recent turmoil at the border in the neighboring city of Tijuana, 16 miles north, where a migrant caravan from Central America arrived in November and hundreds remain gathered in overcrowded shelters.

tobias - 1-19-2019 at 10:18 AM

“It has been isolated incidents that have created a distorted, negative image of the border, and we are all suffering from it,” said Ricardo Argiles, the chief executive of the company that owns the Rosarito Beach Hotel, which has welcomed Hollywood luminaries like Orson Welles, Spencer Tracy and Rita Hayworth in its long history.

To reach Rosarito, most visitors journey by car along roads with stunning vistas of sapphire-blue ocean waters and rugged cliffs.

Many consider the town an edgier, more cultured alternative to Tijuana, and until recently, young Californians flooded in on weekends and holidays, enticed by the tasty seafood, beautiful beaches and energetic night life.

An unattended cart selling souvenirs on the main street in Rosarito.
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Meghan Dhaliwal for The New York Times


Many local residents share Mr. Argiles’s view that negative news reports of the situation at the border were deterring tourists from California from heading south.

The incident that stirred the most fear among Southern Californians, Mr. Argiles said, was the shutdown of the San Ysidro Port of Entry last November when a group of migrants stormed the area and agents from the United States Customs and Border Protection fired tear gas in response.

Since then, the Rosarito Beach Hotel has suffered a 60 percent drop in room occupancy, Mr. Argiles said, and the property had its worst December in decades.

The few tourists who could be found seconded Mr. Argiles’s assessment of why Americans are staying away.

John Aslanyan, a pharmacist from San Diego and a regular visitor to Rosarito, said he couldn’t convince his fiancée to join him on this day trip to the town.

She was nervous, he said, that there would be a repeat of November’s border closing — a worry shared by many other of his friends, he added. He did persuade his sister to tag along on this jaunt.

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“This is the first time I am seeing this beach this empty,” said Mr. Aslanyan, the lone diner at a restaurant on Rosarito’s oceanfront.

Moises Espitia, an analyst with the Metropolitan Center of Economic and Business Information, a local research group, said the financial pain caused by the border’s shutdown in November was felt particularly acutely in the services and tourism sector.

On the day of the shutdown, the more than 59,000 restaurants and hotels in the Tijuana and Rosarito Beaches metropolitan area suffered a collective loss of $6.7 million, Mr. Espitia estimated.

“Events like the migrant caravan, without proper response or preventive measures, can have an economic impact in the daily lives of people in this area,” he said.

The Central American migrants have generally been warmly received in Mexico. But as the tourist numbers decline, and the frustration and trepidation rises in Rosarito and other tourist-dependent areas in Baja California, some local residents have begun to angrily blame the migrant caravan.

“They came here with an arrogant attitude, demanding things, and abused the help we offered them, arguing they are fleeing violence or poverty, but we all are poor!” said Jorge Medina, a manager of the Bombay Beach nightclub in Rosarito.

He said his business had plummeted by almost 80 percent in the past two months.

tobias - 1-19-2019 at 10:21 AM


“Life is not easy for us either,” Mr. Medina added. “We have our own set of problems, including violence, and it is unfair that our lives are disrupted because of them.”

Mr. Medina said he agreed with the harsher measures taken by the United States government to deter migrants, including the use of tear gas at the border, and President Trump’s resolution to build an enhanced security wall.

Mr. Argiles, along with other hotel owners, is trying to send out a positive message through social media campaigns that Rosarito is ready and eager to welcome back tourists.

“We have to recover from this,” he said.

Government data, not always reliable, points to only a 4 percent decrease in overall room occupancy in Rosarito last month compared with the same month in 2017, and local officials argued that the recent drop in visitors cannot be single-handedly explained by immigration-related issues.

But with the Trump administration’s increasingly hostile anti-immigration narrative, officials are worried of longer-term economic losses.

“It definitely does not contribute to an ideal environment for tourism, and our economy heavily depends on it,” said Ives Lelevier, the under secretary of tourism for the state of Baja California.

Abel Ortega, the owner of Villa Ortega’s restaurant in Puerto Nuevo, a community just to the south of Rosarito better known as “Lobster Village,” remembered when the line of eager patrons would go around the building, and his wait staff couldn’t keep up with the demand for deep-fried lobsters and margaritas.

Last year at this time, Mr. Ortega said he averaged 20 reservations a day but is down to two or three.

He looked outside where a worker was desperately trying to court the few passers-by to step inside. “It’s like a ghost town now,” Mr. Ortega said.

Bubba - 1-19-2019 at 10:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Can you post the full article? I asked because I used up my quota for free articles from the NY Times.




The NY Times is a Liberal rag, shouldn't it be free?

John Harper - 1-19-2019 at 10:22 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
This so called "manufactured" crisis has absolutely nothing to do with the tourism drop.


So, what is your theory about it? It's always easy to criticize, so why not toss your hat in the ring and give us your divine pearls of wisdom about this issue. Let them see the light of peer reviewed scrutiny!

John

John Harper - 1-19-2019 at 10:24 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Can you post the full article? I asked because I used up my quota for free articles from the NY Times.




The NY Times is a Liberal rag, shouldn't it be free?


My login password is available, for a low monthly payment. Depending on your good credit.

John

[Edited on 1-19-2019 by John Harper]

Bubba - 1-19-2019 at 10:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
This so called "manufactured" crisis has absolutely nothing to do with the tourism drop.


So, what is your theory about it? It's always easy to criticize, so why not toss your hat in the ring and give us your divine pearls of wisdom about this issue. Let them see the light of peer reviewed scrutiny!

John


I'm not criticizing anything, simply making a statement. The drop in tourism started well before this so called manufactured border crisis.

David K - 1-19-2019 at 10:50 AM

Other things to blame:
*The drug cartel (murders/kidnappings)
*Police hassles
*Long border lines
*Needing a passport

Bubba - 1-19-2019 at 10:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Other things to blame:
*The drug cartel (murders/kidnappings)
*Police hassles
*Long border lines
*Needing a passport


That makes to much sense, knock it off. Easier to blame President Trump.

John Harper - 1-19-2019 at 11:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Other things to blame:
*The drug cartel (murders/kidnappings)
*Police hassles
*Long border lines
*Needing a passport


Nice one, DK! Just wanted to see others ideas. Definitely some likely factors to some degree as well.

Sorry to provoke the knee jerk "liberals are evil" paranoia. I hope these folks are sure look under their beds at night before retiring. A liberal may be lying in wait to convert you. The HORROR!

John

John Harper - 1-19-2019 at 11:10 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  

I'm not criticizing anything, simply making a statement.


Yes, a critical statement. You criticize the statistic as unfounded and no factor at all in tourism. Don't be coy.

John

bajaguy - 1-19-2019 at 11:21 AM

Maybe the author of the article should spend some time in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada and actually see what is going on.

From the article..." But with the Trump administration’s increasingly hostile anti-immigration narrative, officials are worried of longer-term economic losses....." How about correcting that statement to anti-illegal immigration narrative, but why ruin a good story with facts.

Mexico's long term economic problems are compounded by the local, state and federal governments having to direct their resources to the illegals instead of their citizens

If the Mexican government took a stand regarding the illegal border crossings across their southern border and having the illegals camp out in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada there wouldn't be a tourism problem.

Bubba - 1-19-2019 at 11:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Maybe the author of the article should spend some time in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada and actually see what is going on.

From the article..." But with the Trump administration’s increasingly hostile anti-immigration narrative, officials are worried of longer-term economic losses....." How about correcting that statement to anti-illegal immigration narrative, but why ruin a good story with facts.

Mexico's long term economic problems are compounded by the local, state and federal governments having to direct their resources to the illegals instead of their citizens

If the Mexican government took a stand regarding the illegal border crossings across their southern border and having the illegals camp out in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada there wouldn't be a tourism problem.



Another post making to much sense.

JoeJustJoe - 1-19-2019 at 12:00 PM

Most of the migrants from the caravan, are acting in a lawful manner, they are trying to come through the lawful points of entry, and then trying to claim asylum.

If anything it's the Trump administration that is breaking international and US immigration laws by trying to stop the migrants from coming onto US soil in order to claim lawful asylum, and now the Trump administration is engaged in a deliberate slowdown because the federal court, slapped Trump's hands, and told him he is not a king, and there are federal immigration laws he must follow, and if he wants to change the immigration laws, he has to go through congress.

If a few migrants are trying to rush the fence, it's only because they figured out US immigration policy especially under this administration is unfair.

Sorry, Mexico doesn't believe in wall, so Mexico will not put up a southern wall, and besides that wall do not work, and can not stop a determined immigrant.

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Maybe the author of the article should spend some time in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada and actually see what is going on.

From the article..." But with the Trump administration’s increasingly hostile anti-immigration narrative, officials are worried of longer-term economic losses....." How about correcting that statement to anti-illegal immigration narrative, but why ruin a good story with facts.

Mexico's long term economic problems are compounded by the local, state and federal governments having to direct their resources to the illegals instead of their citizens

If the Mexican government took a stand regarding the illegal border crossings across their southern border and having the illegals camp out in TJ, Rosarito and Ensenada there wouldn't be a tourism problem.

AKgringo - 1-19-2019 at 12:04 PM

A couple of years ago, I re-connected with an old girlfriend. In the year 2000, we spent a few weeks touring Baja, as far south as Loreto.

Although we had nothing but good experiences everywhere we went, she will not even consider going back, based on her perception that it is no longer safe!

She came to that impression before Trump ever took office!

Bubba - 1-19-2019 at 12:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
A couple of years ago, I re-connected with an old girlfriend. In the year 2000, we spent a few weeks touring Baja, as far south as Loreto.

Although we had nothing but good experiences everywhere we went, she will not even consider going back, based on her perception that it is no longer safe!

She came to that impression before Trump ever took office!


And there are many more like her!

JoeJustJoe - 1-19-2019 at 12:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  


I'm not criticizing anything, simply making a statement. The drop in tourism started well before this so called manufactured border crisis.


You know what Bubba, I'm going to have to do the impossible and agree with you this time!

You're right, the slowdown to Rosarito, started before the Trump, caravan shutdown.

It actually started about the time Trump, ripped off all those Americans, with the " Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico, that failed luxury condominium-hotel, that went belly up, and many Americans lost their shirts, and in fact lost all their real estate investment because they trusted Trump, who allowed the builders to put Trump' s name on the Baja resort.

Rosarito, never recovered from the recession, cartel violence, passport rules, real estate scams, and not keeping up with the times with new attractions, new hotels, upscale bars, and restaurants that would bring in both Mexicans and Americans.

However, I would say, the caravan, and border shutdown, really hurt Baja tourism the last few months.

Who could forget what Trump did with the Trump Ocean Resort in Baja. BTW, that's just a warm up, to what Trump, is going to do to the rest of us living in the USA.

Trump Ocean Resort Baja: A foundation of lies - Univision

https://www.univision.com/univision-news/latin-america/trump...




[Edited on 1-19-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

bajaric - 1-19-2019 at 12:28 PM

You know how to hook em, Goat!
The article itself was a hit piece, it did mention somewhere around the 15th paragraph that hotel occupancy was only off 4% year over year from last year. Visiting a summer beach resort during a frigid day in January one usually will see fewer tourists.
Not saying that I like the wall.

fishbuck - 1-19-2019 at 12:29 PM

So doesn't that make this a good time to go get a Lobster taco?
No line.
I might get one to go on my way south.

Lee - 1-19-2019 at 12:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bubba  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
A couple of years ago, I re-connected with an old girlfriend. In the year 2000, we spent a few weeks touring Baja, as far south as Loreto.

Although we had nothing but good experiences everywhere we went, she will not even consider going back, based on her perception that it is no longer safe!

She came to that impression before Trump ever took office!


And there are many more like her!


The fear of MX started years ago for some founded/unfounded reasons. Unfortunately, the public believes most of what it reads in the media. The border situation right now simply adds to that fear.

More beheadings and hangings in Acapulco, more fear in Baja. Go figure.

As for the NYT article, the numbers and interviews are either fake or correct. They might be correct.

I don't know that ''most'' (quoting JJJ) migrants at the border are seeking asylum, but obviously there are too many for the US to interview to make determinations about.

Blame it all on the Dems (Libs)? It's difficult believing there are such knee-jerk nut jobs posting here.

Timinator - 1-19-2019 at 01:19 PM

My buddy's restaurant is doing great in Rosarito, so much so he's opening up another one in Ensenada and franchised yet another on in Tecate. Sounds like you made up some facts. His clients are mostly gringos too.

JoeJustJoe - 1-19-2019 at 02:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Timinator  
My buddy's restaurant is doing great in Rosarito, so much so he's opening up another one in Ensenada and franchised yet another on in Tecate. Sounds like you made up some facts. His clients are mostly gringos too.


Sometimes I worry about you Timinator, there is without doubt tourism is hurting in Rosarito, and I expect a poor spring break with very few bikini clad loose white college girls in Rosarito this year.

There is also very little doubt tourism is down in other areas of Baja and Mexico, althought overall tourism to Mexico is at an all time high in places like Cancun.

The only thing in debate is if Trump and the cavavan caused the drop in tourism.

My opinion is Trump and the migrants just exasperated the situation but the problem was always there the last few years.

What's your buddy's restaurant so we can check ourselves?

Lee - 1-19-2019 at 02:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Timinator  
My buddy's restaurant is doing great in Rosarito, so much so he's opening up another one in Ensenada and franchised yet another on in Tecate. Sounds like you made up some facts. His clients are mostly gringos too.


Is that it? You believe your buddy’s place represents Rosarito? Happy for your bud. Good for you you don’t believe everything you read.

Biz is cyclical anyway.

Gscott - 1-19-2019 at 08:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Most of the migrants from the caravan, are acting in a lawful manner, they are trying to come through the lawful points of entry, and then trying to claim asylum.


Nope. Most of them are violating Mexican law at the southern border of Mexico before they arrive to violate US law at our border.

Bubba - 1-20-2019 at 07:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Gscott  
Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Most of the migrants from the caravan, are acting in a lawful manner, they are trying to come through the lawful points of entry, and then trying to claim asylum.


Nope. Most of them are violating Mexican law at the southern border of Mexico before they arrive to violate US law at our border.


Exactly. They had already broken at least one law long before they arrived at the US border.

Hook - 1-20-2019 at 08:07 AM

I live in a town that has had zero border issues with either of our crossings, with regards to the migrants. Yet, I have talked to several owners of the most popular restaurants in town and I can drive by several hotels and see their occupancy rates (based on the parking lots).

All agree that foreign visitors is down this year. Probably somewhere around 20-25%.

These restaurant owners feel it due to perceived worsening security issues in Mexico, after several years of seeming progress. Two straight years of record-setting murders will do this.

We had a very high profile incident involving our municipal police this summer. They were implicated (actually caught on a cell phone cam) turning over the members of one gang to another gang. Of course, the incarcerated gang members were never heard from again.

Then came the narcomantas from the gang of the incarcerated; promising revenge on the municipal police. Immediately, all muni police went into hiding and the state, federal and military were forced to take over police services for a number of months. As San Carlos is a remote offshoot of the town of Guaymas, we had virtually NO police authoritative presence of ANY kind for this period. Not that the munies do much, anyway..............

When the munies finally returned, the revenge was not long in coming. In broad daylight, on the busiest street in Guaymas, four of the munies where shot dead on the streets and a fifth (a poor traffic cop with a uniform and badge, but no gun) was killed during the killers escape through another part of town. Apparently, they were speeding........but, as usual, they got clean away.

For one of the few times, a security incident involving the Guaymas/San Carlos area actually made the national and international news in the US and other countries.

Word on the street was that the three municipal police officers who were responsible for doing the gang member exchange, escaped across the border into the US. EVERYONE wanted their asses.

Bubba - 1-20-2019 at 08:19 AM

There's absolutely no doubt that tourism is down in Mexico but to blame President Trump and the current Administration for it like this thread suggests is absurd. Come to think of it, nothing new though, these Liberals and their hate/tunnel vision will blame everything on Trump.

Lee - 1-20-2019 at 12:00 PM

Immigration and border security has been bad for many years. Trump has made it worse. Doesn't matter your political affiliation. Look at what's happening -- the negative outcome is being played out in tourists being even more fearful of Mexico -- and staying away.

Let's blame Obama, Bush, Clinton, and others while we're playing the blame game. Blame the white house, a do-nothing congress and senate.

Anyone thinking Republicans are happy campers about all this plus the shutdown is out of touch.



drzura - 1-20-2019 at 12:31 PM

I bet the increased number of killings in Cancun, dead headless bodies hanging from bridges near Cabo, bodies being disposed of via acid near Rosarito, American citizens being killed in Bahia de Los Angeles, increased theft of vehicles and watercraft, and grenades being thrown in bars in Acapulco have no bearing on the perceived negativity and why there may be less tourists? Get a grip there buddy..... ;)
Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Immigration and border security has been bad for many years. Trump has made it worse. Doesn't matter your political affiliation. Look at what's happening -- the negative outcome is being played out in tourists being even more fearful of Mexico -- and staying away.

Let's blame Obama, Bush, Clinton, and others while we're playing the blame game. Blame the white house, a do-nothing congress and senate.

Anyone thinking Republicans are happy campers about all this plus the shutdown is out of touch.



Who Cares ? Enjoy the Moment.

MrBillM - 1-20-2019 at 01:09 PM

If you're NOT one of those whose income is negatively affected by a drop in tourism, fewer people should be a plus.

Say Hooray for people staying away !

Lee - 1-20-2019 at 02:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
I bet the increased number of killings in Cancun, dead headless bodies hanging from bridges near Cabo, bodies being disposed of via acid near Rosarito, American citizens being killed in Bahia de Los Angeles, increased theft of vehicles and watercraft, and grenades being thrown in bars in Acapulco have no bearing on the perceived negativity and why there may be less tourists? Get a grip there buddy..... ;)

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Immigration and border security has been bad for many years. Trump has made it worse. Doesn't matter your political affiliation. Look at what's happening -- the negative outcome is being played out in tourists being even more fearful of Mexico -- and staying away.

Let's blame Obama, Bush, Clinton, and others while we're playing the blame game. Blame the white house, a do-nothing congress and senate.

Anyone thinking Republicans are happy campers about all this plus the shutdown is out of touch.



OK. I've gotten a grip. The above violence you've quoted is more than perception. And to me, the violence you mention has no bearing on me or my time in El Pescadero. That includes any shootings, cartel sightings, and violence in Cabo or La Paz. Just doesn't mean a thing to me.

If gringoes see Rosarito as representative of violence throughout all of Mexico, fine with me. I don't.

My point is keeping the border problems and immigration fiasco front page is part of the negative outcome and feeds more fear for most already fearing Mexico. Much ado about nothing.

Your president thinks a Wall is THE solution and spins stories creating even more drama. I say go for it. I think he's wrong but that's just my opinion. Enough people think he's off center on this and the future will bear this out.

Like Bill wrote, if people are afraid of violence down here, they should stay away. Who cares?

drzura - 1-20-2019 at 02:52 PM

It's not just Rosarito that effects people's perception on the safety and current conditions in Mexico, it's ALL the cities combined that I have mentioned. I've been going to Baja since I was eight years old, and I still love going and will keep doing so. But others will take in relevant information and decide as to whether they want to venture into Baja, or Mexico in general, for their vacations. This may be especially true for people who have not been to Mexico and are considering it for their first time. And as you have cited, less people are going; increased numbers would rather take their families to Disneyworld or other destinations. So, I am glad the violence in La Paz and Cabo has not negatively effected YOUR time in El Pescadero, but I'm sure it has hurt the Mexican population and their ability to earn money... you conceded plick.

Oh yeah, the only thing YOUR President, Donald Trump, is doing is trying to keep all the issues on that side of the border. Additionally, I think gringo is a derogatory term and you should not use it anymore because it's offensive and hurts my feelings... lol ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTGxjg0dqbo
Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
I bet the increased number of killings in Cancun, dead headless bodies hanging from bridges near Cabo, bodies being disposed of via acid near Rosarito, American citizens being killed in Bahia de Los Angeles, increased theft of vehicles and watercraft, and grenades being thrown in bars in Acapulco have no bearing on the perceived negativity and why there may be less tourists? Get a grip there buddy..... ;)

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Immigration and border security has been bad for many years. Trump has made it worse. Doesn't matter your political affiliation. Look at what's happening -- the negative outcome is being played out in tourists being even more fearful of Mexico -- and staying away.

Let's blame Obama, Bush, Clinton, and others while we're playing the blame game. Blame the white house, a do-nothing congress and senate.

Anyone thinking Republicans are happy campers about all this plus the shutdown is out of touch.



OK. I've gotten a grip. The above violence you've quoted is more than perception. And to me, the violence you mention has no bearing on me or my time in El Pescadero. That includes any shootings, cartel sightings, and violence in Cabo or La Paz. Just doesn't mean a thing to me.

If gringoes see Rosarito as representative of violence throughout all of Mexico, fine with me. I don't.

My point is keeping the border problems and immigration fiasco front page is part of the negative outcome and feeds more fear for most already fearing Mexico. Much ado about nothing.

Your president thinks a Wall is THE solution and spins stories creating even more drama. I say go for it. I think he's wrong but that's just my opinion. Enough people think he's off center on this and the future will bear this out.

Like Bill wrote, if people are afraid of violence down here, they should stay away. Who cares?


[Edited on 1-20-2019 by drzura]

JZ - 1-20-2019 at 03:04 PM

I think Trump is a chitbag, but you can't blame him for this.

drzura - 1-20-2019 at 03:10 PM

True, you can't blame him for this. It was the pandering of politicians for many years on both side of the isle.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
I think Trump is a chitbag, but you can't blame him for this.

Lee - 1-20-2019 at 03:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
True, you can't blame him for this. It was the pandering of politicians for many years on both side of the isle.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
I think Trump is a chitbag, but you can't blame him for this.


Blame Obama, Bush, Clinton and the rest is history. Maybe there's no solution. Doesn't look like it yet.

And then there's the Dreamers.

Pardon my callous disregard for MX economy. I've stopped caring and just don't give a F.

Can I quote Mr. Bill again?:bounce:

willardguy - 1-20-2019 at 03:56 PM

the town's doing great, new stores and restaurants opening everyday catering to expat community.
the article talks about and features the huge beachfront bars that are sitting empty, the kids that frequent these clubs for underage and affordable drinking don't give a ratzazz about Trump,violence, the wall, or the caravan. they just come for the fun.
where are they?.......ITS WINTER! its freezing 'effin cold down on that beach.....spring break they'll be back;)