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Arroyos Near San Felipe

PaulW - 1-28-2019 at 02:08 PM

Baja Arroyo and Reference for explorers, Near San Felipe –
-Original 7/2013, Revised 7/2015, Revised 1/2019, 4/6/2021

- Arroyo/Wash report for San Felipe area. East of the mountains.
- I started exploring over 14 years ago and have slowly compiled GPS tracks for these arroyos.
- This write up describes highlights what I know about each one.
- What you read below is current as of when I drove the tracks
- My starting place for my exploration was discussions with Bruce Barber, Lou Wells. For details on many of the placed I describe please refer to Bruce Barbers’ book “--- of Sea and Sand.”
- Many of the trips listed were located and identified using Google earth and subsequently driven.

Starting from the North with Notes/Comments Significant roads are noted
Arroyo La Ventana, And the place. Name means window. Largest window location is N31-42.912, W115-08.5014 about 5 miles west of Hwy5 Access is Hwy5 K106.4. N31-43.854’, W115-03.862’. Graded road leads W to several mine wells. The well place is properly named by INEGI as Tres Pozos. These wells are sometimes called Arroyo Grande wells and the count is now 4. The main well place is at N31-42.126’, W115-15.316’. Turns out there are many more Ventana’s (Windows). Seems like it’s easy for find hole in the volcanic rocks. Originally it was found by Howard Gulick during his research for his guidebook in the 50's. His location for La Ventana is at N31 43.109’, W115 2.288’
Another one Bruce Barber found one southwest of the first one described by Gulick and surely is bogus? These windows have still not been located by myself or anyone else I know. Area has a huge number of cuervitas (small caves) and many of them could be called windows. And there is at least one other window on a SW skyline, but it is so far from La Ventana I have discounted it.

Arroyo Grande Leads S from the mountains N of Hwy3 to Lugna Salida from La Ventana road at the mine wells at N31-42.126, W115-15.316 and heads S toward Mx3. I found one report that someone was able to pass thru the heavy vegetation past my dead end at N31-27.086’, W115-26.554’ which is after the remains of the dam. Access at Hwy3 K152.7 is a locked gate at N31-18.087’, W115-25.680’. To get to Hwy 3 several substantial locked gates will be found.
Huge vertical walls, great drive to the heavy vegetation.

Pinta Pass. Chinero Pass is a more formal name used by the cartographers, but not the favored name. Referred to as “SCORE Track West” It is a north south arroyo exiting Arroyo Grande track at N31-37.472’, W115-15.538’ and leads E to another wash route south to Borrego. This one is usually referred to as the SCORE route. Also called Borrego Pass by some. “Pinta Pass west” is another good descriptive name.

“Pinta Pass East” An unnamed canyon drainage that Leads S from La Ventena/well road at N31-42.178’, W115-10.810’ east of the wells and heads S to Borrego. Referred to as "CODE track”. Parallels Arroyo Grande & Pinta Pass west and combines with Pinta Pass west. Both tracks join north of then pass thru 4 corners at N31-25.644’, W115-11.029’ below the military camp (ab).

Arroyo Jaquegel Currently shown on the modern maps. (5 names) Known as "The Pole Line Road", “Arroyo El Tule”, Telephone Line (road), and Buck Canon. Traveling west the Jaquegel trail begins in Arroyo Grande at N31-37.54922’, W115-15.71430’. The arroyo leads to the W and heads over the N summit (N summit is better known as the race summit) to Hwy 3 between Indepencia and Valle Trinidad. The race summit is now closed with a substantial locked gate. Meanwhile a new route that avoids the locked gate at Arroyo Siaz and the huge cable fence has been found. It uses a road going N from White Tank and leads to Mano junction via Arroyo Enmedio.
The 1905/1919 Nelson map is the only source found for the Tule name. However several published writings use the Tule name. The Arroyo road and “Telephone Line” were created in 1942 to service the US radar facilities located in San Felipe and Punta Estrella. As of spring of 2019 the route is passable via a difficult trail. Some of the cobble stones and poles from the original road still remain. The west end of this trail passes over the main summit above and NE of Jamau (and is no longer passable by any kind of vehicle). That abandoned summit is called “Jamau” and is the south summit. (N31-36.05, W115-36.4). The north summit (race summit or North summit) is at N31-37.631, W115-36.624’ And is shown on the older maps as “Portezuelo de Jamau”. There is still another summit we have been calling the middle summit, but its proper name should be “Siaz” after the major drainage leading north from the summit. Its location is N31-36.05, W115-36.40. The road over Siaz summit is presently unknown. The route has a locked gate on the south side of the summit. All three of the summits are found from the Pole Line Road or trail. The Indian trail from Chinero over Pinta pass and over the mountains is called “Buck Canon Trail” on the 1930 map by Knight. All 3 summits are no longer passable. South too hard, heavily eroded. Middle and race summits have locked gates.
Arroyo El Arrajal Leads west from hwy5 K133.8 at N31-29.624, W115-04.249and allows connection of Mex5 to Mex3.
Route passes thru the 4 corners at N31-25.644, W115-11.029 just north of the old military camp (ab). Leave the arroyo and head S near N31-24.738, W115-21.417. At the summit is an abandoned air strip actually in the silt bed? From Hwy 3 at K159.8 N31-17.286, W115-21.259 drive N thru the gated fence.

"Slate mine rd" Leads N from Hwy 3 K160. Turn NE off the El Arrajal road at N31-19.600, W115-21.344. Road ends at mine. Recommended easy drive.

“Unnamed Wash” Starts at Hwy3 K160 and heads S to the north end of L Diablo. Wash continues N across the fence to the Slate mine area.
“Tres Pozos” Name means 3 wells. INEGI and Almanac are wrong. Tres Pozos is actually north at the mine wells. Access to this arroyo is via the race road Hwy3 K179.3 N31-21.991, W115-11.282.
Wash leads NW at Borrego at Hwy3 K181.1 N31-22.728, W115-10.512. Wash crosses the race track N31-23.080, W115-11.198 & ends in the arroyo to the west.
This arroyo is full of impassable large boulders at the point where the canyon narrows.

“3 Poles wash" Official INEGI name is Borrego, means Lamb. Generally parallels Hwy 3. Heavily traveled by racers. Deep sand and multiple paths. Very wide. Access at 3 Poles is Hwy5 K142 N31-25.497, W115-02.750. But most common access is K149.4 N31-21.747, W115-01.002 then head N following one of the race tracks.

Arroyo Las Cuevitas means little caves. Some locals call it "Calamity". Access is Hwy5 K149.4 N31-21.747, W115-01.002 and leads west via gravel pit. A common duplication of names.
Leads west to Villa del Sol road (the graded road that leads to L. Diablo).

"rock crawl exit" Also known as "Smugglers route". High clearance required.
Leads NW from Cuevitas at N31-17.423, W115-10.244 to hwy3 at K174.8 at N31-18.900, W115-13.210
"Gypsum mine" Also called "Mica Mine". No mica, but lots of selenite gypsum crystals. Leads NW from Cuevitas at N31-20.798, W115-05.028 to the mine. Interesting drive.

"unnamed" Arroyo leading NW from Cuevitas approx N31-21.067, W115-04.688. Several failures to reach Hwy3. Unverified needs exploration.

"Lunch" Unnamed wash leads E from Cuevitas N31.28032, W115.16275 The popular Sea of Cortez overlook lunch place. N31-16.826, W115-09.822. All arroyos from this main wash are short and dead ends.
“21SF track”?

"Mini Summit" Alternate names are "Telegraph Pass" & "Power line pass".
Summit is N31-10.682, W115-08.547. Major 15’ drop-off is at N31-10.541, W115-08.075
From 2 poles, Hwy5 K166/7 N31-13.362, W114-56.924, follow race track SW or W to power line NW - summit - to Villa del Sol Rd.
Since hurricane Nora - Impassable for normal rigs. In 2011 3 Jeeps made the crossing with extensive use of winches (E to W). Several hardy moto guys have made the crossing in the last few years (W to E). Summit is reachable from the west by following the metal power line from Villa del Sol road. Good drive.
Update - 5 of my buddies all in Jeeps traveled east successfully. Winches were required to get over and around the huge boulders. Took all day.

Arroyo Las Almejas (Also arroyo Arena means sand) Name means clams. Wholly within El Dorado ranch, Leads W from the N/S power line Approx. at N31-07.807, W114-54.662. Not proper to drive, but we have walked it many times. It's very wide, North of subdivisions RDS/PVN/LMN/LVN.
The east end is used by the buggy rental concession. 21 Sf 250 used this arroyo.
"Saltito" Official INEGI name is Canon las Cuevitas. (name duplication) Also called "Zoo Rd" & "Morelia Rd". Starts at the ARCO/OXXO and passes thru the Eldorado security entrance. Graded road used for west valley access. Starts at the west El Dorado formal entrance & PMEX & the El Dorado resident entrance at K178.5 N31-07.033, W114-54.003.
Public access is a new paved road called Morelia Rd starts at K181.2 N31-05.902, W114-53.577 at the storage place near K182. Roads join near the power line at N31-04.534, W114-57.808. This part of the road is now paved from Highway 5 for 10km. The west part for Canon las Curevitas drainage is westerly The east end drainage is eastward and becomes Acuna then and Los Almejas

"Power line" Access from Saltito leads N & S from Saltito Rd. Used for the race track. Crossing is at N31-04.515, W114-57.866
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Arroyo Acuna# means cradles. Begins at ~N30 57.7, W115 3.5 and at ~N30 59.3, W115 0.5. Leads NE, crosses Saltito/Morelia Road then crosses the Power line and becomes A Las Almeias (Arena) or is next to it as one big wash.

"dump road" Access from Saltito leads south east at N31-04.307, W114-58.514 from hippy camp past the dump then to the arches. This used to be the main road from south of Hwy 3 using the connector diagonal to San Felipe.
Arroyo Davalos# No description
Arroyo Hellin# No description

"Rams Head" Access from Saltito leads S at N31-03.631, W115-01.331to "Rams Head" then west to Morelia road or SW to Chanate. Choke point is N31-01.190, W115-01.160. No INEGI name. High clearance rig is good. (See ATV track below). Intersects Chanate at N30-54.004, W115-03.052

"Highlands" Just a land mark of an abandoned community. Leaves Saltito leading N at N31-02.996, W115-03.018. Access beyond to interesting places like Diatoms, chalk mine then on to 4 corners at the power line via the Connector Diagonal.

"Connector Diagonal” Leads N from Saltito at N31-03.072, W115-02.844. This is the old main road thru 4 corners at the power line then to Hwy 5.

Arroyo Amarillas means yellow. Some locals call it the arroyo leading to “Hidden Valley" or "Lost Valley" (dead end). Begin at OPR N30-55.81, W114-50.142.

"Cross Over" Access leads south from Amarillas to Chanate. Also called the "Connector". High clearance required. Leave Amarillas near N30-52.402, W115-00.230. And reach Chanate at N30-51.187, W114-59.256

Arroyo Chanate (Chanote) means blackbird. Leads to west valley past Quartz Mtn at N30-53.510, W115-04.220.
Find access at OPR N30-53.379, W114-549.793. Locals have used the name Emerald canyon and has a landmark called Quarts or Crystal Mountain.
"ATV Track" Access leads N from Chanate at N30 54.005, W115-03.051 and heads to Morelia road near N30-56.389, W115-07.206. Intersects Rams Head at a Rams head turn to the NE at N30-56.521, W115-06.237. ATV track continues straight instead of the turn to Ram Head.
“WOW” No official name. Wash is loop from Chanate to Chanate. A path from SE of the junction of Rams Head & Chanate and enters the wash. Good drive. Heading easterly the entrance in Chanate is near N30-52.95, W115-02.01. Several difficult tracks at that point to sort out. From the SW side of Chanate drive SW then SE to find the track. The end of WOW is near N30-51.384, W115-00.136. Find a 5+ foot spill over. In the past the spillover has been full of rocks and was passable by ATV via narrow crack. A rock crawl Jeep may be able to drive over the spill over??
Enter the loop from the east at N30-51.194, W114-59.284 and drive SE. The track then curves back to a western heading then follow the arroyo to the spillover. A Cardon forest is at the big curve.

Arroyo Huatamote name of a plant. Some locals incorrectly call it "Percebu" because it was wrongly shown on older maps. Proper arroyo has been impassable to the west valley for many years. Named for a Baja bush. Access to west valley is n to a branch pf Parral. "Seep Willow [huatamote] (Baccharis glutinosa)"
See baccharis glutinosa seep willow Guatamote (Huatamote)? The plant is used as a traditional medicine.
There is another Arroyo with the same name in Baja Sur and many places in Baja use the name Huatamote.
Start Hwy5 K20.7 N30-49.180, W114-44.552 Or start at Old Puertecitos Rd at N30-49.388, W114-48.794 and drive west.

Arroyo Parral means vineyard or grapevine Leads south then west from Huatamote at N30-45.564, W115-00.807. One of many INEGI official Parral paths. This arroyo is the only passable way to the west valley using Huatamote.
Many water paths are called Parral & cross each other. They primarily drain overflow storm water from the west valley.

Arroyo Don Pancho Crosses Hwy near K16

Arroyo Percebu means barnacle. Starts near the coast and ends in the desert west of hwy5. Crosses the Hwy at ~K22 & K22.2

Arroyo Auga de Chale Crosses Hwy near K31

Arroyo Aleuri# From campo Perlita crosses the hwy at ~K36.7 and ends east of the hwy. Look north of hwy at N30 40.814, W114 42.3
Arroyo Jimenez# From Campo Cadena crosses the hwy at ~K42and ends west of the hwy. Look on the hwy at N30 38.105, W114 42.34

Arroyo "Azufre" means Sulfur. Official INEG name is Parral (another duplication). Locally known as "Crazy Horse". Access from Hwy 5 K34.3 at N30-42.1, W114 42.768, Access from Old Puretictos Rd at N30-41.732, W114-46.509. Find Apache Tears at the wash entrance at 30 38.22, -114 49.65.

Arroyo "Terry" Starts at Hwy5 K54.2 N30-32.061, W114-41.688 & ends up in Matomi at N30-30.015, W114-48.548 or cross country to the Matomi N exit. Named after the birthday guy. No INEGI name. High clearance required.
Arroyo Matomi Entrance is Hwy5 K60 at N30-29.354, W114-40.008. Follow any of many tracks. Connects to west valley road south of valley Chico. Named after Rancho Matomi/Ejido Matomi. Arroyo eventually leads west to Rancho Matomi.
At the narrows passage is difficult. No travel between summer of 2012 and Jan 2015. Jeeps or high clearance vehicles with 4wd shouldn't have a problem. Access to rancho Matomi is good from Valley Chico & the west valley road, however access to Rancho now blocked with a locked gate as of 2021.
Arroyo Los Blancas (Barraca) means white. Leads SW from Matomi at N30-29.670, W114-50.099 into Canelo valley. Name means Cinnamon. Drive into the "Canelo Preserve" & to natural arch at N30-27.629, W114-55.548.

"North Exit race road” Leads north from Matomi. Leave Matomi at N30-29.786, W114-50.169. Connects north to Azufre, old Pureticitos road (OPR), and Apache Tears.

Arroyo El Canelo (Padilla) means Cinnamon. Many paths from Hwy5. Exploration needed. Look near K63/64 N30-27.443, W114-39.397
Access unknown. Expect deep soft sand.
Arroyo "Unnamed" Many washes further south. New HWY blocks access to many.

Notes:
*All coordinates are in the format of degrees and minutes and fractions of minutes. Datum is WGS 84.
* The Villa del Sol graded Rd leads S from Mx3 K163 N31 16.812, W115 19.070 and heads toward "Juan's" store, Chinalilito, & Santa Clara on the east side of L Diablo. Eventually connects with Saltito Rd at Morelia Jct. Juan is gone and the place is abandoned.
* Every year Huatamote and Matomi change drastically due to major flooding from summer storms. Often impassable.
* The use of GPS with background maps is the best way to locate the roads to the arroyos
* GPS Maps are sold by Murdocknav.com for Lowrance & Garmin. Other suppliers can be found specifically for Garmin GPS. None are as complete as Murdock.
* Topo maps are no longer available at the INEGI office in Mexicali. Instituto Nacional de Estadistica y Gergrafia. PDF versions can be downloaded free from the INEGI web site.
* Please do not try to drive these arroyo places unless you have low range 4WD and high clearance and the usual recovery equipment.
* A GPS is required to find the pertinent places in my write-up. All Coordinates shown are WGS84 Datum. Converted from previous editions of this document. And are now the same as Google Earth.
If you wish to plot the points on the Almanac or the old INEGI maps you must convert to the Datum to “North American 1927-Mexico”. INEGI maps are compatible with WGS84. In my experience using the wrong datum on your GPS will result in about a 200 - 400 foot error. Not good if you are looking for a hard to find place.
* Kilometers noted were created by driving Oct-Dec 2014 and published by Murdock Aug 2014.
* 95%+ of these arroyo back roads are pictured on the Murdock GPS maps which are updated before every SCORE race.
# Arroyos found on a 1975 map and are not found on later maps
If anyone has comments on this report contact Paul Wilson
Some GPS Screen shots for areas discussed above follow.



Please note while GPS screen shots are useful for knowing where the roads are and how they all interact. You can use Google earth or Bing with the coordinates provided and see a better picture of the terrain and you can detect the roads and washes by looking at the screen shot at the same time as you look at the sky views. I highly encourage the use of GE & Bing for more knowledge. PW



Common notes:
R always designates a race road
OPR is old Puertecitos Road
Handwritten X means do not drive road is blocked or not passable. These tracks represent my errors of trying to drive where I should not have been or could not pass due to cliffs.

N Area - 1
K77.2 is marginal at times due to water and bad mud
K86.8 is a graded road.
K89.2 leads to a smooth road.
Drive down the shoulder to the cut in the fence
K92 leads to a race road

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N Area - 2
H is a track along the hills in the sand dunes
Cross hairs locate the Ventana (Window). N of the graded road
PLR Wash is the beginning of Arroyo Jaquegel
(PLR means Pole Line Road. 1942 Telephone line)
M is the west access road for the big mine on the east side of the Pintas
Pipe line has a very bad road.


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N Area - 3
M Many small mines shown along the W mine road
AG is Arroyo Grande
P P is Pinta pass - the historical narrow canyon that passes between the San Felipe and the Pinta mountains. - now days used as a race road. Historic route from Chinero to Arroyo Grande. Chinero is the area near K133
P P/E is Pinta Pass east another N-S Race road
Crosshair is the south end of the crossover between the two passes. Track goes thru a saddle in the hills.
Green X are waypoints not an X to note “do not drive”.
WPL it the wood power line track


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N Area - 4
K133.8 leads to the race roads and Arroyo Arrajal “A”
SM is the slate mine below C. Borrego
3P k142 is three poles
2P k163 is two poles
4C is four corners
K179 is the N Borrego race road beginning.
DS is Villa Del Sol Road leading to L Diablo
MS is the Mini Summit
PL is the metal power line
WPL is the wood power Line
RC is the rock Crawl access to Cuevitas
OX is the Memorial at N31 15.38, W115 19.58
P are various Pete’s poker run tracks




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Central Area – 5
Wash is Las Almejas
RH is the north area of Rams Head
4C is another four corners.
HL is the abandoned Highlands community.
The east end of Zoo road is the PMEX at K179
D is the dump road
P is Pete’s camp poker run
HC is the Hippy camp



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Central Area – 6
RH is the choke point in Rams Head
A is the junction of Rams Head & Chanate
H is the Hudus
The big Blue X are just waypoints. Not a blocked road.



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Central Area – 7
C is the easy access to Chanate (keep to the N track)
N30 53.4, W114 49.8
B is the junction of Chanate and WOW


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Images 8, 9 & 10 follow next post

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More Arroyo images

PaulW - 1-28-2019 at 02:11 PM

South Areas – 8, 9, & 10
The big Blue X are waypoints at the end of the road


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David K - 1-28-2019 at 02:27 PM

Thank you!

fishbuck - 1-28-2019 at 02:32 PM

So cool. Thanks for your hard work on this.

TMW - 1-28-2019 at 02:45 PM

wow a lot of work Paul, thanks for job well done.

Ken Cooke - 1-29-2019 at 06:39 AM

Thanks for your research, Paul.

geoffff - 1-29-2019 at 07:21 PM


PaulW - 1-30-2019 at 07:28 AM

Geoffff,
Looks great
How and what tool are you using to merge the images?
Thanks.

4x4abc - 1-30-2019 at 02:27 PM

man - so much work!

and still mostly analog directions (turn left at the yellow house)

since the tracks seem to be recorded by a GPS - why not post a collection of rack files

copying and pasting waypoints (plus they are in an unreadable format) sucks
try to enter N31-04.534, W114-57.808 in your GPS or Google Earth

geoffff - 1-30-2019 at 03:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Geoffff,
Looks great
How and what tool are you using to merge the images?
Thanks.

I'm a bit embarrassed to admitthat I ended up doing this manually in Photoshop, which I'm pretty fast at. It was fun for me, honest! I tried to use my usual go-to tool for this, Microsoft's Image Composite Editor https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computational-photography-applications/image-composite-editor/, but it only managed to automatically splice two or three of those maps. The speed/etc. numbers printed in the map corners confused it, I think.

-- Geoff

PaulW - 1-30-2019 at 03:30 PM

My Bad. I will fix when I get time

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
man - so much work!

and still mostly analog directions (turn left at the yellow house)

since the tracks seem to be recorded by a GPS - why not post a collection of rack files

copying and pasting waypoints (plus they are in an unreadable format) sucks
try to enter N31-04.534, W114-57.808 in your GPS or Google Earth

4x4abc - 1-30-2019 at 03:32 PM

thank you Paul!
You have such a wonderful collection of stuff
I have been in pretty much all the canyons and your presentation brings back memories


JZ - 1-30-2019 at 03:36 PM

Having kml files for each arroyo would make it very useful.

basautter - 1-30-2019 at 04:38 PM

Thanks for the great report! I wish more would do this (including me). :light::light:

PaulW - 1-30-2019 at 04:49 PM

First post is updated to correct typos and correct way to show Waypoints.

Yes, I have a 7" GPS at my desk. The screen shots are directly from the GPS using background map by Murdock.
Murdock and he sells his maps on Murdocknav.com for Garmin and Lowrance.
I never travel in Baja without some kind of GPS with at least Murdock maps. I have a handheld for hiking and an installed unit in my Jeep. I also use an Android tablet with even more map data that has been developed by a local guy. His map and the Murdock map works on Basecamp on my laptop and ORUXfor the tablet.

Pacifico - 1-30-2019 at 05:35 PM

Thanks for taking the time to find and post this again, Paul! Lots of great info...

4x4abc - 1-30-2019 at 07:46 PM

can't find Arroyo Acuna

Acuna Wash

PaulW - 1-31-2019 at 08:58 AM

As you can see it is the wash that follows Saltito (Zoo) road. Starts at the high point east of Morelia Junction and flows east. Used several times by SCORE, but they either deviated to 4 corners going NE or used the Dump road to go SE. Dump road is shown, but 4 corners and the power line did not exist in '74. It is noteworthy that the so called Dump road was used as the Morelia road going to the west valley. Nowadays it is really crappy road due to the races.
Shown on the 1974 AAA map as posted on Nomads by DavidK

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4x4abc - 1-31-2019 at 10:02 AM

that conflicts with the INEGI maps which call it Cañon las Cuevitas
OP calls it Arroyo Saltito

Acuna Wash

PaulW - 2-1-2019 at 08:12 AM

Some liberties taken, but the route I think we drive is Acuna.
And the racers do start in Cuevitas then enter Acuna Then turn north into a wash not shown on the Almanac.

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David K - 2-1-2019 at 12:02 PM

There often will be multiple names for the same feature on a map.
It depends who made the map. A cartographer for the Mexican government in DF will not know what the ranchers or fishermen that live near a place call that place. American made maps such as the Auto Club's or Gulick's may rely more on what the place is called by the people who live near it along with how it is named on older historic maps. A government cartographer may not have this information and simply uses a name off a list he thinks applies. The clearly errored naming of Arroyo el Volcán as Arroyo Zamora and then applying Volcán to the next arroyo south shows this. Mixing up Gonzaga with San Francisquito bays, as well.

Harald, to make everyone happy, maybe add a footnote to each questionable name or put the other names alongside the one you like best.

Like: Cañada el Parral (Azufre Wash, Crazy Horse Canyon); Bahía San Luis Gonzaga (Willard Bay); Ensenada de San Francisquito (Gonzaga Bay)

[Edited on 2-1-2019 by David K]

PaulW - 2-1-2019 at 01:05 PM

In my write up I tried to document all the names that I found were in use. They what to do when no name is identified. That results in "No Name" for the arroyo or wash.
Note all the names I found for the Pole Line track.

David K - 2-1-2019 at 01:48 PM

Thanks for doing that Paul!
I included some history of the WWII Pole Line Road in my article...
https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/pole_lin...

It was pretty bizarre the route they used. The best I could guess is they wanted to avoid any sabotage of the line by Japanese troops or planes so they kept it away from the obvious short route through Valle de Trinidad and San Matias Pass.

Ken Cooke - 2-2-2019 at 12:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
In my write up I tried to document all the names that I found were in use. They what to do when no name is identified. That results in "No Name" for the arroyo or wash.
Note all the names I found for the Pole Line track.


Impressive

bajaric - 2-3-2019 at 07:14 AM

Wow that is a lot of good information. Driving south on the 5, I always look to the right over towards those mountains and wonder what it is like over there, now have a better idea. I read Barber's book too. Not an easy read, he subscribed to the idea that if ten words is good, twenty is better, but between your post and his book one gets a very good impression of the area. Appears to be a barren and hostile environment.

Barber discusses the search for the Melchior Diaz rock pile. That is a tough one. If he really was buried in Baja by now any trace of a "rock pile" might be obliterated, I mean, stone missions from later periods have disintegrated to piles of rubble in less time, not to mention it is on the eastern slope of the mountains and you can imagine the flash floods that must have come roaring out of those mountains since 1541.

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PaulW - 2-3-2019 at 09:25 AM

Yes, we all had difficulty with Bruce's maps. That was until David dissected it and placed info on Nomads. It was a big help. Bruce's book was correct for the most part. He apparently ignored much of BajaLou's input in his explanation of certain places. Bruce's analysis of the Diaz and the rock pile along with his location of Ventana (the window) have all been discussed and found to be mostly in error, but he dismissed the criticism. So we all are headed another way, and I still am looking for his ventana.

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GOOD MORNING!!

David K - 2-3-2019 at 11:16 AM

Reading Baja Nomad is like reading the newspaper, only better...

It is fun because the subject is Baja and also since I have met many of you, it is like a breakfast social.

OK, I have my coffee, (Kona with white chocolate-macadamia nut creamer) and let's see what I can add...

PaulW, it is La Ventana (The Window) and not La Ventura... Yes, I know you know... too early in the morning, lol!

bajaric, you were driving south on the 5 (not 3), correct? Again, it was too early in the morning, verdad?

Yes, Bruce's book is full of great research and exploration details of the canyons and washes but sadly, it was very poorly organized and the maps often don't match the text. However, I am so glad Bruce made the book and I did meet him when he came to the Pyramid Resort event one year.

I think I posted that I did have a lot of email exchanges with Bruce and they were about his desire to meet Choral Pepper and get more details on the Henderson directions. Choral died before Bruce and I began communicating but since I was given her Baja/ Desert Magazine collection, I had Henderson's 1967 letter and could provide the unedited/ unpublished version with Bruce and one other who searched so hard for it (Tad or 'DesertGhost'). Tad had met Choral, and he and I were both at her place at the same dinner party, 19 years ago. Tad posted only a few times and all in this thread about the Diaz Grave from 2007-2010: http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=26703

The details in Walter's letter clearly show that Pepper did not convey the directions exactly as they were told by Walter. That Tad had met her and learned nothing new (obviously Choral had not found Walter's letter in her collection pile to share and the details from 1967 had escaped her memory). The point is that if Bruce had been able to talk to Choral before she died, he would not have any better directions.

When I shared the letter with Bruce and Tad, they were both glad I found it but also not able to go back on a new search. The key error in Bruce's very scientific directions is that he presumed La Ventana to be the starting point from the San Felipe road, so he was about 25 miles too far north!
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The rockpile was BIG... so impressive a pile it had to be an important site. It also was on a level bench up from the arroyo, so flash floods would not be an issue. Plus, the bench (a mesa-like nob) overlooked the ravine and was about 1/4 to 1/3 down a side canyon from the ridgetop, so not a lot of volume of water for a flash flood to develop.

That it may have been already found and desecrated is a very real possibility. It seems unimaginable to us in these days that such a major discovery would not be shared here on Baja Nomad (LOL)! The search really is for a rock pile of such size that it would be visible from a plane even if it was disturbed. If the rocks held the bones of a Spanish captain from 1541 and all his armor, helmet, and sword that it would be a world-class discovery!


bajaric - 2-3-2019 at 12:26 PM

Yes, Hwy 5. Well, I suppose a big pile of rocks could have lasted all that time, if it was well above the floor of the arroyo. A few threads back there was a picture of a stone coral from the Jesuit period, perfectly intact. However, there is a pretty good possibility that gold prospectors would have found it. With placer gold present in the Sierra Cucapa just to the north, and lode gold at La Fortuna nearby, more than a few probably trudged up those canyons around the turn of the last century with a keen eye for anything that looked out of the ordinary. A big stone monument would have stuck out like a sore thumb. Perhaps some crusty old miner came across it, dug up the grave, and looted it, never realizing its significance. The ethic of preserving colonial history was not very strong back then; the Missions in Alta California were allowed to fall into ruin by the 1920's. Its a great mystery, but one I doubt will ever be solved.

David K - 2-3-2019 at 01:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  
Yes, Hwy 5. Well, I suppose a big pile of rocks could have lasted all that time, if it was well above the floor of the arroyo. A few threads back there was a picture of a stone coral from the Jesuit period, perfectly intact. However, there is a pretty good possibility that gold prospectors would have found it. With placer gold present in the Sierra Cucapa just to the north, and lode gold at La Fortuna nearby, more than a few probably trudged up those canyons around the turn of the last century with a keen eye for anything that looked out of the ordinary. A big stone monument would have stuck out like a sore thumb. Perhaps some crusty old miner came across it, dug up the grave, and looted it, never realizing its significance. The ethic of preserving colonial history was not very strong back then; the Missions in Alta California were allowed to fall into ruin by the 1920's. Its a great mystery, but one I doubt will ever be solved.


Exactly!

About the missions in Baja... compared to all the preserved and reconstructed missions in Alta, they (the Baja missions) are the real thing and not modern interpretations. Sadly, some are not protected at all and left to desolve away, like Santo Tomás and San Fernando.

bajaric - 2-3-2019 at 04:53 PM

Barber has passed on now, but his book remains, in all its metaphoric glory -- RIP

I keep getting back to the idea that a 400 year old pile of rocks would not have been discernible, even in the 1930's (?) when Henderson described it in his letter. Was he imagining things? Lets not forget that in addition to flash floods, this area is right next to the granddaddy of earthquake faults. Continental plates, mud pots bubbling, escarpments, the whole enchilada. I do not know if there is a historical record of earthquakes in that area but I bet it has seen a few pretty good shakers over the last 4 centuries. Still, the letter does have the ring of truth about it. Maybe the pile is still there, covered with cactus, waiting to be found. best, Ric

David K - 2-3-2019 at 06:36 PM

Well, the story has us getting outside and exploring the desert which always was Choral's goal. She would be pleased!

StuckSucks - 3-15-2019 at 04:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Bump for Stuck...


Thanks much! Time to study up on canyon names.

ehall - 3-15-2019 at 07:40 PM

Not sure how i missed this. Great info Paul. Thanks.

PaulW - 3-16-2019 at 09:12 AM

I should mention that there are other resources for backcountry travel for names of Arroyos or washes that can be found on the AAA map series, Baja Almanac, and various INEGI topo maps. All are out of print, but many of us (especially DavidK) have the out of print versions.
New to me resources I am using these days are OZI Explorer (cost $99) which has better images than Google Earth especially at the max zoom level.
A composite of all the Mexico INEGI maps which can be found at:
https://topogeek.com/mexico/
Hardest to get up to speed is OZI. That is a work in progress for me to get trained to do the things that GE allows.


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PaulW - 3-16-2019 at 09:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Paul, check your link...

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Sorry a trailing period caused failure. Fixed now.

StuckSucks - 3-16-2019 at 10:33 AM

https://topogeek.com/mexico/

ehall - 3-16-2019 at 04:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks  
https://topogeek.com/mexico/



Awesome. Thanks

David K - 3-16-2019 at 05:22 PM

A Nomad is responsible for that great site... He wasn't really ready to make it public as he doesn't want it to crash from the volume of hits it may get.

PaulW - 4-7-2021 at 06:18 AM

I just edited post #1 to clarify some issues and fix more typos.
Canon las Cuevitas is the correct name. Arena is a separate Arroyo that starts south of Cuevitas and flows across Saltito then merges with Cuevitas and Almejas. Then the drainage crosses Hwy5 in a big wash just south of Petes camp to the sea. Any water flow east of about Morelia junction would combine with water flow from Acuna.
Also noted are the latest locked gates for Ranch Matomi and the race summit.

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David K - 4-7-2021 at 07:05 AM

Thanks Paul... a worthy thread to pop up on occasion! :light:

PaulW - 4-7-2021 at 08:44 AM

Race time and lots of visitors lately