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Passports / visas

jkruk - 1-30-2019 at 06:16 PM

A friend just arrived from Colorado, he and wife passed through Mexicali and did not know they needed to stop at immigration to hav their passports stamped and get a visa. They are here in Punta chivato ! What must we do? Any advise is appreciated. Have contacted Nadia in Mulegé

JZ - 1-30-2019 at 06:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by jkruk  
What must we do? Any advise is appreciated. Have contacted Nadia in Mulegé


Nothing. You'll be fine. 99% of the time no one is asking to see your FMM.

Only exceptions are when getting an import permit for a car/boat, putting a boat in a marina, flying back from MX to the US, and the like.

We almost always get one (maybe 2-3 times didn't out of a 100 trips), but if I was in Mulege already I wouldn't worry about it at all. If they are down for an extended period of time that would be a different story.




[Edited on 1-31-2019 by JZ]

advrider - 1-30-2019 at 06:42 PM

I would agree with JZ, it's required and you should have it. Many will say your insurance won't be valid but that is only the main land Mexico , not Baja. If asked for it you could be fined for not having it, maybe! Enjoy vacation...

4x4abc - 1-30-2019 at 07:18 PM

that's what many visitors to the US think - 99% of the time nobody will ask
but then...

JZ - 1-30-2019 at 07:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
that's what many visitors to the US think - 99% of the time nobody will ask
but then...


95% of the time you aren't going to get hurt riding a dirt bike in the middle of the Baja desert, but then...

advrider - 1-30-2019 at 08:48 PM

Life is short, live it....

chumlee57 - 1-30-2019 at 09:31 PM

If your company is staying for more than a few weeks and they are not feeling comfortable, take a ride to Guerro Negro, I believe Bancomer will sort things out. But as others say, i wouldn't sweat it. I always try and keep things legit, why not. Maybe tell them to stop at the Guerro Negro immigration on the way north and sort out the paperwork so they can feel good about heading home

sancho - 1-30-2019 at 09:34 PM

[rquote]Many will say your insurance won't be valid but that is only the main land Mexico , not Baja. [/rquote]






I've never heard nor read of that invalidating Mex Ins,
but it is listed in most/all Mex policies, don't remember any
info that it actually has happened. Not sure, in the
unlikely event, if involved in an accident and Fed Hwy Cop asked for an fmm and I was not able to present one, would be
a pleasant experience. I would enjoy the trip and not
dwell on it in. I seem to remember, unconfirmed, a post about getting an fmm at Santa Rosilia Immigration

[Edited on 1-31-2019 by sancho]

[Edited on 1-31-2019 by sancho]

mtnpop - 1-30-2019 at 10:01 PM

There have been random immigration checks set up on Mex 1 between San Bruno and Sta. Rosalia this year. It is random and can happen quickly.
We have had some residents have Nadia go with them to Loreto and get it taken care of. Don't remember the cost but she can get it done.
Hopefully she will contact you with information.

Then again you might never see an immigration person for months.

I am not sure that our ole buddy in Sta. Rosalia will actually get you an FMM.
Just what we know has happened in the last few months...

billklaser - 1-30-2019 at 11:47 PM

The way I look at this is: "It's never a problem until there is a problem"

JZ - 1-31-2019 at 12:45 AM

Quote: Originally posted by billklaser  
The way I look at this is: "It's never a problem until there is a problem"


Profound. You're never the one in a car crash in Baja, until you are in one. Cartels don't hurt tourists, until they do.





[Edited on 1-31-2019 by JZ]

daveB - 1-31-2019 at 01:15 AM

In all my winters in Mainland Mexico and three or four times in Baja, have never been asked to show the FMM, or its predecessor, period. But I've always made a point to buy these, never failed. and I never worried about it once I had bought it. Every time, don't forget where you're headed, what you must do to meet the standard (not yours, but the country you're entering.) Don't take crossing a border lightly. And just where did I learn that trick? At the American borders, and within 100 miles inside those borders.

Bubba - 1-31-2019 at 07:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by jkruk  
A friend just arrived from Colorado, he and wife passed through Mexicali and did not know they needed to stop at immigration to hav their passports stamped and get a visa. They are here in Punta chivato ! What must we do? Any advise is appreciated. Have contacted Nadia in Mulegé


What must you do? Go have fun, that's what.

JoeJustJoe - 1-31-2019 at 08:51 AM

Personally, if I was going that far into Baja, I would have stopped and got the FMM, which is not really a visa, but a tourist permit.

That said, like a few others have said, I wouldn't worry about it. In fact the majority of foreigners, do not stop and get a FMM, especially if they are only making day trips into Baja.

However, on many forums, and Facebook, Baja group sites, you will have many uninformed members repeat the mantra, "It's the law, it's the law!

And they will tell you that you must turn around go back to the border, and get your passport stamped, and FMM( tourist permit)

Then to really put the fear into you, they will tell you if you get into an auto accident, that your insurance company will not pay for the damages, and if the accident was your fault, the Mexican police will put you in jail and keep you there until you come up with the money to pay for the auto damages.

Of course it's nothing but pure myth, about getting into an accident without a FMM, that keeps getting passed on from site to site, without any evidence this would actually happen.

Insurance companies, can be really bad, but to think they would try to deny a claim over something as immaterial and minor as not having a FMM, is laughable.

So enjoy your trip, and don't worry about the FMM, because not even corrupt Mexican cops, have tried that one yet, that would go something like this," Oh I see you don't have a FMM document, so your going to have to follow me to the station to pay a fine, and get deported!"

It never happens, and municipal Mexican cops, are not immigration enforcement, but if it did happen, a simple solution is to reply to the corrupt Mexican cop who tried this, " is there some way I could settle this without a trip to the station? 200 pesos or $20 to the outside limit of $40 dollars, will probably solve any possible problems on the spot, with Mexican cops.





[Edited on 1-31-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

DaliDali - 1-31-2019 at 09:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


It never happens, and municipal Mexican cops, are not immigration enforcement, but if it did happen, a simple solution is to reply to the corrupt Mexican cop who tried this, " is there some way I could settle this without a trip to the station? 200 pesos or $20 to the outside limit of $40 dollars, will probably solve any possible problems on the spot, with Mexican cops.

[Edited on 1-31-2019 by JoeJustJoe]


Promoting lawlessness and bribery on a site that helps to educate people on the in's and outs of being in a foreign country should NEVER be allowed.

[Edited on 1-31-2019 by DaliDali]

JZ - 1-31-2019 at 10:07 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  


Promoting lawlessness and bribery on a site that helps to educate people on the in's and outs of being in a foreign country should NEVER be allowed.

[Edited on 1-31-2019 by DaliDali]


Should we cover our ears and not discuss something that is a 100% fact of everyday existence in Mexico? Come down out of your ivory tower sometime.

DaliDali - 1-31-2019 at 11:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  


Promoting lawlessness and bribery on a site that helps to educate people on the in's and outs of being in a foreign country should NEVER be allowed.

[Edited on 1-31-2019 by DaliDali]


Should we cover our ears and not discuss something that is a 100% fact of everyday existence in Mexico? Come down out of your ivory tower sometime.



Well shame me all to hell for not appreciating promoting lawlessness and bribery.

The message was intended for people unfamilar with the laws and regulations......you and I, and others know the deal.....the uninformed do not.

To send them down the road with the idea of "I don't need no stinking FMM" and just bribe the cops is just wrong.

JZ - 1-31-2019 at 12:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  


To send them down the road with the idea of "I don't need no stinking FMM" and just bribe the cops is just wrong.


That's not what happened though. We just told them not to worry to death about the mistake that was already made.

But, to be honest, the lawlessness and bribery in MX is an attraction to some.



[Edited on 1-31-2019 by JZ]

sancho - 1-31-2019 at 01:23 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

But, to be honest, the lawlessness and bribery in MX is an attraction to some.








I appreciate the lack of regs/laws. In San Felipe, I once counted
12, what would be beach violations here in Orange Co.
I'm always paperwork up driving in Mex, but the key word
here is uninformed. Back in the day, met a guy from Belgium in
BCS, didn't check in with Mex Imm at the border, had
traveled many countries, said Mex was the only one you
could walk across without formally checking in, so some
unknowing bypass Imm

Pacifico - 1-31-2019 at 02:06 PM

Accidents happen, and we all agree that 99.9% of the time there won't be an issue not having a FMM in Baja. However, on a larger scale, not just looking at Mexico, Dali is right. Say you were going to Tanzania on a safari, wouldn't you do a little research on what's required to enter the country? I know I would...







[Edited on 2-5-2019 by BajaNomad]

Mordida isn't Bribery

MrBillM - 1-31-2019 at 03:02 PM

It's a time-honored institutional solution to bureaucratic inconvenience and inconsistency.

Immune to incessant (but thankfully) erratic quixotic attempts at eradication.

John Harper - 1-31-2019 at 05:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  

It's like some poltician in NY saying the border is not a crisis, when agents who are THERE on the ground 7-24 365 say it is.


Not one of the leaders of our intelligence services even mentioned the border as a major national security issue yesterday in televised Congressional hearings. Crisis? What crisis? Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, Mr. D?:D

John

[Edited on 2-1-2019 by John Harper]

DaliDali - 1-31-2019 at 06:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  

It's like some poltician in NY saying the border is not a crisis, when agents who are THERE on the ground 7-24 365 say it is.


Not one of the leaders of our intelligence services even mentioned the border as a major national security issue yesterday in televised Congressional hearings. Crisis? What crisis? Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, Mr. D?:D

[Edited on 2-1-2019 by John Harper]


Would you believe that a major national security issue may have something to do with China, NK and the Ruskies, of which those intelligence officials were talking about, is the reason nothing was said about Mexico and the immigration conundrum?

Not sure where you fall in all this really....a major national security issue to me is NK with nukes, China with nukes and the Ruskies with nukes....all of whom are foes of the US and NK has threatened to nuke Seattle, Guam and Hawaii.
Which happens to be what their assesments were all about.

Did GWB and Obama consider it a "crisis" when they sent troops to the border region?....
Or is it only Trump who gets that push back?

Do you believe the CBP when they say it's at "crisis" proportions? They are after all, there on that line everyday, all day, 365. Are they blowing off a bit of hyperbole?

In the end, the intelligence agencies have bigger filets of corvina to fry than the contiguous border with Mexico agreed?




thebajarunner - 1-31-2019 at 06:36 PM

Well, as usual, an interesting post takes a left turn and ends up in the septic tank.

Hoping the folks down south can ignore this drivel, lean back, have a few cervezas, and next time get the FMM.

sigh..........

BajaBlanca - 1-31-2019 at 06:59 PM

Someone mentioned that Julieta could take care of the problem???? I have never heard this before.

It would be nice to have this confirmed.

advrider - 1-31-2019 at 07:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Well, as usual, an interesting post takes a left turn and ends up in the septic tank.

Hoping the folks down south can ignore this drivel, lean back, have a few cervezas, and next time get the FMM.

sigh..........


Well said, I'll checkout now...

What Those Agents Say IS .......................

MrBillM - 1-31-2019 at 07:29 PM

.......... Give US MORE ?

Having a dog in the hunt, it's the rare affected Cop that thinks (or says) more enforcement personnel, tools and equipment aren't the answer.

DaliDali - 1-31-2019 at 07:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
.......... Give US MORE ?

Having a dog in the hunt, it's the rare affected Cop that thinks (or says) more enforcement personnel, tools and equipment aren't the answer.


Versus the "dog" (masculine) or "b-tches" (feminine) in the hunt, in and around the beltway, who have a vested interest in maintaining their jobs.

Despite the "dogs" who are there on the line everyday, all day, 365, their word takes more creds than any stuffed suit in a cushy reclining chair, sweating if they can keep the screaming idiots in line, inbetween trips to a warm sandy beach in the tropics.

JoeJustJoe - 2-1-2019 at 09:12 AM

Whoa, it looks like Dale Dali, turned this thread into the support the wall thread!

Of course, the border patrol, agents, said, lots of things, according to different articles or studies. One, study the Border Patrol, agents, supported more agent, and more high tech equipment, and said very little about a wall.

The other study the border patrol chief, and union, does say, the border agents support a wall at " Strategic Locations," which BTW is what we already have in many places, like San Ysidro.

It should be noted, talking about a wall in Strategic Locations, is a far cry from what Trump, was talking about during the campaign, where he painted a picture, like the Great Wall of China, which he called, " "big, beautiful wall" that was supposed to stretch from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico.

I see nothing where the Border patrol, supports, Trump's original, " big beautiful wall," that was supposed to run the border and be made of concrete 30 feet tall.

Now it''s down to artistically designed steel slats, in strategic locations, and the US tax payers, have to pay for it, instead of Mexico.

If I was a Trump, voter, I would feel cheated.





[Edited on 2-1-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

John Harper - 2-1-2019 at 09:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by DaliDali  

Do you believe the CBP when they say it's at "crisis" proportions? They are after all, there on that line everyday, all day, 365. Are they blowing off a bit of hyperbole?

In the end, the intelligence agencies have bigger filets of corvina to fry than the contiguous border with Mexico agreed?


1. I believe they certainly support a bigger budget, yes, and crying "crisis" always helps. Don't you agree that border crossings have steadily declined for several years? All the CBP statistics support this fact, don't they?

2. I think analyzing any and all threats (military, economic, social, biological, natural phenomenon) is all part of "national security intelligence." Including an assessment of the relative threats from our borders. That's what I'm paying taxes for, IMO. You would think that with all Trump's fear-mongering about the threat of nannies and construction workers taking over our country they would have at least mentioned something about the border. Wouldn't you?

John

John Harper - 2-1-2019 at 09:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Well, as usual, an interesting post takes a left turn and ends up in the septic tank.

Hoping the folks down south can ignore this drivel, lean back, have a few cervezas, and next time get the FMM.

sigh..........


LOL. We've all read several inflammatory "bombs" you've tossed into the forum. What's that parable about living in a glass house?

Maybe you need to find your "safe space" away from other's opinions?

John

[Edited on 2-1-2019 by John Harper]

Truth in the Time of Trump

MrBillM - 2-1-2019 at 10:13 AM

Forget facts (and Occum) when debating those among the hardcore Donald Dupes. Logic and credibility within the Clan is determined by whatever the Great Leader is (disjointedly) uttering at the moment.

JoeJustJoe - 2-1-2019 at 10:34 AM

Lets get back on topic, before the boo birds, get mad, and claim the thread went too far off topic.

I am again pleased that nobody told the OP, to tell their friends from Colorado, who didn't stop at the border to get a FMM, to drive back from Punta Chivato, near Mulege, all the way back to the border, some 600 or 700 miles, to get a FMM.

Most members here said, " don't worry about it, but next time, stop and get your FMM, but for now just enjoy your trip, although we had one member here, who indirectly scolded, the friends from Colorado, telling about doing due diligence, and said, "it was sheer negligence on their part."

Personally, I rank the offensive here is about the equivalent to jay walking.


crawl back under your rock, John

thebajarunner - 2-1-2019 at 06:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Well, as usual, an interesting post takes a left turn and ends up in the septic tank.

Hoping the folks down south can ignore this drivel, lean back, have a few cervezas, and next time get the FMM.

sigh..........


LOL. We've all read several inflammatory "bombs" you've tossed into the forum. What's that parable about living in a glass house?

Maybe you need to find your "safe space" away from other's opinions?

John

[Edited on 2-1-2019 by John Harper]


This sunlight could damage you....

JoeJustJoe - 2-2-2019 at 11:14 AM

Sometimes this site is like NASCAR, and regarding the wall. McConnell, warned Trump, against an emergency declaration to build the border wall, because many members in the GOP will balk, and throw in with the democrats to stop Trump.

So it looks like we won't have that big beautiful wall anytime soon.
___________________________-

Now back to the topic at hand, the FMM, and being in Mexico, legally in all aspects of the law while in Mexico.

My question is to those who travel to Mexico, when they are still paying/financing their car with monthly payments, so therefore, your bank holds title to your car.

Do you contact your bank, and ask for permission to take your car to Mexico, and also ask them to generate a letter giving you permission to Mexico, or whatever their requirements are?

I bet very few people who owe payments on their car, actually contact their bank for permission to take their car to Mexico, nor do they even know about the requirements.

Deja Vu All Over Again

MrBillM - 2-2-2019 at 11:30 AM

Hasn't THAT subject been Flogged to Smithereens ?

JoeJustJoe - 2-2-2019 at 11:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
Hasn't THAT subject been Flogged to Smithereens ?


There are lots of threads on the FMM, and the great beautiful wall, but I doubt there are any or very few threads of taking a financed car by your bank or credit union to Mexico.

I ask because there are many here that claim they always follow the law and all procedures when in Mexico, and they demand you follow all laws and requirements too.

So the question remains. Does your bank know you are taking their car to Mexico, since they are the lein holder?

[Edited on 2-2-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

willardguy - 2-2-2019 at 12:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
Hasn't THAT subject been Flogged to Smithereens ?


thanks Bill, I haven't thought of the Smithereens in years! :P....Blood and Roses

JoeJustJoe - 2-2-2019 at 12:14 PM

I found one thread on 'Baja Nomad' that talks about taking a bank financed car to Mexico, but that was in 2005.

It's about time this topic is revisited in 2019.

The question remains. If your car is bank financed, does your bank know you are taking your car to Mexico, since they hold title to your car and have a lot to lose if you get into a accident in Mexico?

JZ - 2-2-2019 at 12:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  


I ask because there are many here that claim they always follow the law and all procedures when in Mexico, and they demand you follow all laws and requirements too.

So the question remains. Does your bank know you are taking their car to Mexico, since they are the lein holder?


That's a contract issue (if it even exists), not a law. So the analogy doesn't work.


[Edited on 2-2-2019 by JZ]

JoeJustJoe - 2-2-2019 at 01:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


That's a contract issue (if it even exists), not a law. So the analogy doesn't work.


[Edited on 2-2-2019 by JZ]


So I guess it's not important to know about the legal or as you say contact requirements of taking a financed car by your bank to Mexico, or what a Mexican cop may do if he pulls you over and looks at your registration and car insurance, or what your bank will do if you get in an accident in Mexico.

JZ, it seems like your not sure what the requirements are for foreigners from the US taking a financed car to Mexico?


JZ - 2-2-2019 at 02:17 PM

Not sure what your jibber jabber is trying to express.

I'm just saying you shouldn't compare a law with a civil contract.

Don Pisto - 2-2-2019 at 02:25 PM

https://www.bajabound.com/before/permits/lienholders.php

JoeJustJoe - 2-2-2019 at 04:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto  
https://www.bajabound.com/before/permits/lienholders.php


Exactly, and I bet the majority of travelers to Mexico, with financed vehicles, do not know some banks require their permission to take your car to Mexico, if you car is financed by them. Just like many don't know about any FMM requirement, when you just drive right in over the border.

Of course the banks really want to know your car is being insured and that's all they really care about.

Another thing it's best to post some of the information from links, because using links and Google to search for information isn't very popular here.
__________________________

Crossing Into Mexico with a Financed Vehicle Does Your Finance Company Need a Copy of Your Mexican Insurance Policy?

Before traveling into Baja or mainland Mexico it is a good idea to check with the company through which you financed the lease or purchase of your vehicle, to see if they have special requirements for international travel. Many lien holders require their clients to request an official letter of permission to be carried with their Mexican insurance policy throughout the entire trip.

https://www.bajabound.com/before/permits/lienholders.php

[Edited on 2-2-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

wilderone - 2-3-2019 at 04:08 PM

awrightawrightawrightawright nuff

Alm - 2-6-2019 at 11:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by sancho  

... said Mex was the only one you
could walk across without formally checking in

"Was". Today you can rarely walk across without being checked (or by bus - same thing, you have to walk through the INM).

Last time the bus SY-TIJ was checked not unlike somewhere in Europe. Young and polite INM guy stepped in, checked everybody's ID, collected documents of those who needed FMM, and stepped out back to his booth. I was amazed :).

This bus was the last stand to fall. Both SY ped crossings were heavily controlled already, but people on the bus were walking peacefully through, behind the backs of INM guys who were processing the main crowd coming from the US side through Ped West.

Maybe the Time has Come ..........................

MrBillM - 2-7-2019 at 11:04 AM

For personal RFID implants ?

Scan everybody ?

We're 35 years overdue.

Alm - 2-7-2019 at 12:24 PM

You are lucky not to have ground exit control to the South. Here in Canada we can't leave without the big brother knowing about it, no matter by ground or air. Thanks to mutual agreement with US CBP. Passport scanned upon the US entry would automatically generate the record in Canadian customs computer. US citizens are tagged the same way - you enter Canada and the record is generated in the US CBP computer.

No RFID implants are necessary :)

Great idea- The N-zis did it

thebajarunner - 2-7-2019 at 01:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM  
For personal RFID implants ?

Scan everybody ?

We're 35 years overdue.


Not only the N-zis, but also mentioned rather prominently in the Bible


Rev. 13:17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

Alm - 2-7-2019 at 01:59 PM

They stamped me at the door of the night club. Must've been studying the Good Book :)

JoeJustJoe - 2-7-2019 at 02:23 PM

Here is a nice exchange between David K, BajaGeoff, of "Baja Bound, and Bruce Leech, from many years ago on this site.

David K, asks, the question, that I believe is a myth, but is repeated over and over on Baja sites, and that's the belief, that if you don't have a FMM, and you get into an accident in Baja, that your car's insurance company, usually a Mexican insurance company won't pay the claim.

BajaGeoff, of course rather error on the right side, and didn't say he knew 100% either way, but he didn't think not having a FMM, would result in an denying of an auto accident claim, and I believe he never ran into that problem before, despite him being in the business, is because it's not a problem.

Bruce's, answer, is immaterial, and doesn't answer the question.

As always, do what you believe or want to do, but every time I hear some member, claim, "YOU NEED A FMM, BECAUSE IF YOU GET INTO AN ACCIDENT IN BAJA, THE CAR INSURANCE COMPANY WON'T PAY."

I'm just going to laugh, and ask them, how do they know?

My guess, is that most travelers to Mexico, that have a bank lien holders, don't bother, asking their bank, permission to take their car to Mexico. I bet they had no idea, it's even a requirement of most lien holders.



Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Geoff, once in a while someone on the Internet will panic tourists who did not know to (or bother to) get a tourist card. 'He' is saying without one, their insurance coverage is void.

Unless the insurance companies are run by immigration of Mexico, I don't see how a company can deny paying on a claim.

Will GE refuse to pay a claim if they discover somebody was in Santo Tomas (or Puertecitos, etc.) without a tourist card?


Quote: Originally posted by BajaGeoff  
Hello David,

We always like to err on the side of caution and would rather that our customers have proper documentation and permission from their lein holder should a claim arise. It is more of a formality than anything.

Whether or not a claim would be paid on a vehicle that was forbidden to be in Mexico by the lein holder remains to be seen. Thankfully, we have never run across this situation in the years that we have been in business.

Tourist cards are really a seperate issue since it pertains to the person and not the vehicle. GE would most likely pay a claim on a vehicle even though the person may not have proper documents. I don't really see it as a reason for denial. If it were mainland Mexico and a car was impounded for not having a vehicle permit that is a different story. Mexican insurance really has no recourse for vehicles that are confiscated for not carrying the proper temporary vehicle importation documents.


Quote: Originally posted by Bruce R Leech  
I don't think it is good practice to advise people to brake the law in Mexico.

I always get a official letter of permission from whom ever owns a vehicle that I am driving In Mexico. and yes I have had occasion where I needed it.


[Edited on 2-7-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

Let's get started before it's too late

MrBillM - 2-7-2019 at 02:43 PM

The universal RFID program would necessarily be phased in over an extended period of time, BUT using it as a convenience enticement for those who are crossing the border could be a start.

Moving on from there, they could work on parents' insecurity over their children in school to expand the RFID program to children entering school.

Next, those already IN school.

Next, Newborn babies.

Next, ......................... ???????

Saving us old Geezers until last since most of us would be dead long before it became cost-effective.

Besides, a high percentage of the aged don't do anything or travel anywhere, anyway.

BUT, I'm good with it if they want to track me. There's no place I go or anything I do that would be a problem for the government or myself.

Now, when I was younger ............................ it was a different story.

Thank God for that.

Alm - 2-7-2019 at 03:00 PM

RFID for Mexico entry (not necessarily an implant) is only a matter of time. 15 years ago they didn't even have computers in the INM booth, and FMM - for those who bothered to ask for one - was written on green piece of paper looking like a store receipt.

daveB - 2-8-2019 at 10:44 AM

If you drive far enough to the south, and don't relish the drive north, you may think the trip to the Mainland will be in your immediate future. But it only can be so, if you have done some due diligence: have the FMM's and the TIP's for your vehicles. You don't get on the Ferry, without them. The drive around and back down the Pacific coast is measured in hundreds and even thousands of Kilometres. If you stop, and think ahead you've saved yourself time and likely money.