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Mexico Prawn Fishery CLOSED!! ..fer real!? <;~O

micah202 - 3-19-2019 at 03:19 PM

Is this for real?


Mexico Sets Temporary Ban on Shrimping in the Pacific

Mexico City – The National Fisheries and Aquaculture Commission (CONAPESCA) has published a temporary ban on fishing for all species of shrimp in marine waters under federal jurisdiction on the Pacific Coast, Gulf of California, and all lagoons, estuaries, marshes and bays in the states of Baja California Sur, Sonora, Sinaloa, Nayarit, Jalisco, and Colima, beginning at 8:00 am on March 15, 2019.

In a statement, the agency explained that the purpose of the ban is to protect the period of reproduction and maturation of shrimp populations, which are of particular economic and social importance to Pacific Coast fishing communities.

Sampling conducted by the National Fisheries Institute (INAPESCA) shows that brown shrimp currently present a healthy status, blue shrimp are in a process of recovery, while white shrimp require management measures because, due to overfishing and environmental factors, the population of this species of the crustacean evidences a critical decrease in the density of brood stock that could affect next season’s harvest.

After four hours of discussion between authorities and the productive sector, it was determined that the technical recommendations made by INAPESCA were necessary to maintain healthy shrimp production in the next harvest season. So, in accordance with the policies of collaboration to increase and guarantee food production, CONAPESCA established the temporary ban on fishing for all species of shrimp in the Mexican Pacific.

The publication states that CONAPESCA will announce, in advance, the dates of the shrimping ban’s completion, which will be determined by further research and biological samples performed by INAPESCA for this purpose.
https://www.solmexiconews.com/mexico-sets-temporary-ban-on-s...

micah202 - 3-19-2019 at 03:21 PM


ohh,, answered my own question. <;~l

''When the season is closed in Mexican waters, the boats simply move out of Mexican waters. If they even bother doing that. ''

https://www.gringogazette.com/?q=content/shrimp-season-close...

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 03:51 PM

Easier to blast the foreign pirates out off the water this way.
Time for the Mexican Navy to steam those Corvette's out for some target practice.
Look for a red flag with a star or a white flag with a red ball. And shoot. If no flag, shoot.
Thank you.
I would like to contribute to sailor's fund for every pirate scalp they fly on the mast.

Viva Mexico!

blackwolfmt - 3-19-2019 at 03:55 PM

Well that gives em 6 months to look for some other kind of income other than shrimping,,, season opens mid September in the SOC usually, should be interesting to see how this plays out

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 04:05 PM

Kidnapping season?
Home invasion robbery season?
I think these jobs are taken.
Must be time for "murder each other off" season again...

[Edited on 3-19-2019 by fishbuck]

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 04:57 PM

Mexico: at most only 22 vaquita porpoises remain

By MARK STEVENSON March 6, 2019

https://apnews.com/e7e8e2f5a3404644be020bf9deab60bc




fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 05:10 PM

The world's smallest porpoise has caused a big battle in Baja California

https://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-mexico-v...

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 05:29 PM

No Sierras this year in South Baja - Pacific Side

https://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/no-sierras-this-ye...

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 05:53 PM

Argentine Navy showing how it's done.
Being very patient too!

https://youtu.be/tew2MSzoKf4

[Edited on 3-20-2019 by fishbuck]

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 06:01 PM

Agentine Navy displaying profesionalism
Excellent results on this mission.

https://youtu.be/34Iy5xGfGjY

BajaBlanca - 3-19-2019 at 06:02 PM

:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Yahooo to no shrimping!

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 06:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca  
:bounce::bounce::bounce:

Yahooo to no shrimping!


Thank you Blanca. I hope this helps restore the shrimp fishery for sustainable and delicious shrimping.
You deserve it :cool:

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 06:33 PM

Chinese illegal fishing
US Warning report
Jan.11, 2019

Japan Coast Guard muscling a Chinese state-pirate back to China.
Very dramatic.

https://youtu.be/ekp3xhUwWyA



[Edited on 3-20-2019 by fishbuck]

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 07:29 PM

A deep dive on it if you want to know what is happening.

http://cimsec.org/latin-american-navies-combat-illegal-fishi...

[Edited on 3-20-2019 by fishbuck]

mtgoat666 - 3-19-2019 at 07:38 PM

Too many people in this world.
How do we cull the herd?
Let’s get rid of the selfish, save the altruistic, get rid of the conservatives (by definition stuck in one old gear), and save the liberals (by definition libertatious).
Then we can all fish/eat shrimp at will.
:bounce::biggrin::lol::lol::lol:

4x4abc - 3-19-2019 at 08:03 PM

our version of capitalism is defined by "more". More sales - more profit. Only if the population grows you can sell more. You gotta keep those people who have already too much happy

fishbuck - 3-19-2019 at 08:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
our version of capitalism is defined by "more". More sales - more profit. Only if the population grows you can sell more. You gotta keep those people who have already too much happy

That is developement. Like a house builder... is he ever done?

Sustainable capitalism would replace what is consumed but not increase the quantity. Higher value, less quantity.
Tear an old house down and build a new one.
It works because the new house is better and creates value.
It is worth more than the sum of it's parts.
That creates something. A profit.
That is sustainable growth (money) verses unsustainable sprawl.
The spawl creates very little profit. High volumn low return.
It runs out of steam when it runs out of cheap resourses(land).
The builder goes bankrupt and runs out. The houses are showdy and too densly spaced.
The infastructure is inadequate.
It goes down hill fast.
The demographic changes and what money is left high-tails out of town.
Unless there is a housing bubble. That's when everyone who owns property think they did it with their own superior intellengence.
Until the bubble busts...
Like soon because we are not letting unfair trade deals. That will stop the stolen money from coming back here and inflating housing prices... for no sustainable reason.
It is already starting...


AKgringo - 3-20-2019 at 11:23 AM

So when will shrimp be back on the menu….or topic?

fishbuck - 3-20-2019 at 11:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
So when will shrimp be back on the menu….or topic?


Shrimp will still be on the menu...
Just now will cost what they should.
In one of the links I posted it mentions that.
Shrimp is more expensive in San Filepe. So locals eat harburgers and are unhappy about it.

blackwolfmt - 3-20-2019 at 12:21 PM

The locals eat burgers because they been eatin seafood their whole lives, sure gonna miss the Shrimp festival in SF no fresh shrimp No shrimp Fest

[Edited on 3-20-2019 by blackwolfmt]

del mar - 3-20-2019 at 12:28 PM

Micah posted "Like stop signs in Mexico, shrimping bans are only a suggestion. When the season is closed in Mexican waters, the boats simply move out of Mexican waters. If they even bother doing that. Off season the boats travel farther out to other areas of the Pacific where there hasn’t been much shrimping going on while the pickings were good near shore."

im guessing there will be shrimp enough for everyone...maybe a bit more costly?

John Harper - 3-20-2019 at 01:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
I think it is wrong to send our conscripted (or volunteer) teenagers to be pawns in and to die in some other country’s civil war.


Come on, Goat. It's the American way!

John

fishbuck - 3-20-2019 at 01:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Yet, if it wasn't for a war to halt communism from robbing the people of freedom, there would be no MASH show.
Too bad Truman stopped MacArthur, as we were all the way to the Chinese border pushing the red bastards out of all Korea before the politicians had us retreat back down the peninsula, halfway. Look at the nightmare and death and torture of innocent people in North Korea ever since.


I think it is wrong to send our conscripted (or volunteer) teenagers to be pawns in and to die in some other country’s civil war.


I agree, but here, since the Soviets and Red Chinese made North Korea possible (as a military power) it wasn't really a civil war. It was one of the first cold war tests between the forces of good and evil. Freedom isn't free. We defeated socialism (N-zis) and the Imperial Japanese, so we couldn't let communist socialists take over other lands so soon after.


The "Domino Theory" has proven to be true.
Fortunately all the different commies don't get along.
No surprise there!

pauldavidmena - 3-20-2019 at 04:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
It is a bit of an obsolete cutural reference and is losing it's relevence. It's old and the people that know what it means are dying off.
I'm young but that was a big show for me and my USAF buddies.
We could relate...


You aren't that young, MASH was a movie long before it became a TV show, and the song was used in the movie, and the lyrics are in the movie. I thought you were 59? That's only 2 years younger than me and I saw the movie in the theaters when it was first released. Sally Kellerman was quite a big deal back then. Maybe you were a bit young in 1970.

I was lucky because my folks let me see a lot of movies that kids probably wouldn't see today. In Cold Blood, Easy Rider, Cool Hand Luke, Bullitt, The Wild Bunch, Bonnie and Clyde, all the Eastwood movies, etc. Nothing like
American blood and guts!

John

[Edited on 3-20-2019 by John Harper]


Since we're already way off topic...

I'm 59 and I remember the original MASH vividly. My father disliked it because it made fun of the Korean War - which he served in - and Alan Alda's politics were too liberal for him. The "Suicide is Painless" song was written by Johnny Mandell and Mike Altman (director Robert Altman's 14 year-old son) and performed by a group of uncredited session musicians.

mtgoat666 - 3-20-2019 at 08:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Yet, if it wasn't for a war to halt communism from robbing the people of freedom, there would be no MASH show.
Too bad Truman stopped MacArthur, as we were all the way to the Chinese border pushing the red bastards out of all Korea before the politicians had us retreat back down the peninsula, halfway. Look at the nightmare and death and torture of innocent people in North Korea ever since.


I think it is wrong to send our conscripted (or volunteer) teenagers to be pawns in and to die in some other country’s civil war.


I agree, but here, since the Soviets and Red Chinese made North Korea possible (as a military power) it wasn't really a civil war. It was one of the first cold war tests between the forces of good and evil.


Which side was good?
From what i could see it was just 2 sets of oligarchs competing for market share. flock both sides, both were wrong.

fishbuck - 3-20-2019 at 08:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Yet, if it wasn't for a war to halt communism from robbing the people of freedom, there would be no MASH show.
Too bad Truman stopped MacArthur, as we were all the way to the Chinese border pushing the red bastards out of all Korea before the politicians had us retreat back down the peninsula, halfway. Look at the nightmare and death and torture of innocent people in North Korea ever since.


I think it is wrong to send our conscripted (or volunteer) teenagers to be pawns in and to die in some other country’s civil war.


I agree, but here, since the Soviets and Red Chinese made North Korea possible (as a military power) it wasn't really a civil war. It was one of the first cold war tests between the forces of good and evil.


Which side was good?
From what i could see it was just 2 sets of oligarchs competing for market share. flock both sides, both were wrong.


Why bother with it. Can you fix it now? Or go back in time and do it your way?
It's cowardly and dishonest for you to second guess history. And meaningless.

bajabuddha - 3-20-2019 at 09:10 PM

Alright, you children of re-written history...... here's a first-hand story of the inception of M*A*S*H movie.

It came out in the early summer of 1970. I was stationed at Fort Jackson, S.C. for Infantry training when it was first released, and the Post advertised the movie for Friday and Saturday night viewing at the Post theater.

A few of us went to the Friday night show, and thankfully got to watch the whole movie, the building maybe a third full of GI's. The show was not only well-received (especially the jeep driver reciting "Gawd-damned army..... gawd damned army jeep..." etc... but the word spread like wild-fire.

The next night we went back, the theater was full to capacity and OVER-full, with standing room also filled; all isles were filled with GI's sitting on the steps, the sides full with standing soldiers; and I'd guestimate you only heard one fourth of the dialogue of the movie form the hoots, laughter and applause from the crowd as the movie progressed. I'm eternally grateful for seeing it the first night. The second night was ...... A HAPPENING.

The movie was a result of the later 60's anti-war movement with Nam dissidence as the catalyst. Korean vets didn't ever have that voice, as well as they didn't have the diagnosis of PTSD.

The 60' were a renaissance of biblical proportions, and i'm proud to have been a part of them. I was recently accused by a local troll of ''not standing up for anything''.... Shee-it, I marched in anti-war protests as a combat vet still in uniform for the Viet Nam Vet's Against the War (V.V.A.W.) twice, had coffee with Dave Dillinger (one of the Chicago Seven), pulled an ambush on the KKK of Clarksville TN who were gonna pull an 'axe-handle party' on the hippie scum who were running a 'commie' law-help-protest house for Ft. Campbell KY... but I digress.

M*A*S*H was a MOVEMENT. The TV show went on with that momentum to show what the other side of 'patriotism' propaganda really is to the totality of and the horrors of WAR, period. Sure went on for a lot of seasons, and I for one still watch it reverently and whenever it's on. Seen most episodes, but yet there are new ones constantly I still haven't seen.

To those who are offended by the M*A*S*H movie/series, it's your choice, it's your history. To me, it's T*R*U*T*H. I didn't live Korea, but I did live Army, SNAFU, and FTA, ALL THE WAY.

peace, out.

fishbuck - 3-20-2019 at 10:10 PM

No one cared about this. We were not talking about MASH or Korea.
You brought up the lyrics in a left handed insult to goat.
You were implying the he should consider suicide. Appearently, you didn't want to here from him anymore.

Most of us were discussing Shrimp season and the closure.
I wish that could continue in an intellegent manner... but probably not...

JoeJustJoe - 3-21-2019 at 08:32 AM

What happened to this thread I thought it was about prawns?

It appears that Bajabuddha, thinks he is Ron Kovic, from Tom Cruise's, movie, " Born on the Fourth of July."

If you ask me "MASH" was a stupid unfunny sitcom, that was full of misogyny, homophobia, racism, with a mainly all white cast who played the parts of white saviors.

Did they really have a black character that went by the name of "Spearchucker Jones? Could you imagine MASH on the air today, in the era of the " Me Too Movement," and with minority groups not like being the butt of a joke?"

I know I know, lot of members here harken back to the good ole' days, but the truth is those days weren't that good, but with today's cable, satellite TV, the internet, Netflix, and a whole range of TV and movie options, we don't have to stuck watching the big three, or big four TV stations if we count Fox, with CBS, NBS, and ABC.

Regarding the Korean war, the US was lucky to fight to a stalemate against the North Koreans, and Chinese, which was viewed in the rest of the world as a lost for America, because the US had the big war machine, and the Chinese was an ill equipped peasant rag-tag army that was able to fight the US to a draw.

I think the US or hope will win the trade war against the Chinese, because I have both US and Chinese stocks, but if we have a future weapons war against the Chinese. I think it might be a good idea to start practicing learning to speak Chinese, just in case.






Mashing Schrimp

MrBillM - 3-21-2019 at 09:17 AM

First movie that I ever saw after moving to Indio in '70. It was OK. Haven't seen it since.

Saw a few episodes of the TV series over the years. They were OK. Never felt like watching the reruns.

During our years in Baja we bought and were given many many kilos of Schrimp. They were GREAT. Although, there was one time-period when we were being given so much, that we were a bit soured on them.

Hope that the fishery survives.

micah202 - 3-21-2019 at 03:30 PM


Well done folks. Good to see how much you chitheads care about overfishing. Or anything other than.....


God. Knows. What. <;~l

Russ - 3-21-2019 at 05:55 PM

They're still selling shrimp here and taking orders for next week. $300 for cleaned jumbos

wilderone - 3-22-2019 at 01:10 PM

"Could you imagine MASH on the air today" It is on the air today - cable channels.
So the poop on the overall situation status-wise (also a MASH line) about the shrimp … a bold move to analyze and plan for the future. Might be painful in the short term for some, but it's for their own good. It's science, not politics. Sheesh.

John Harper - 3-22-2019 at 02:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
It's science, not politics.


Come on, science is fake. Politics is truth.:lol::lol::lol:

John

fishbuck - 3-22-2019 at 11:46 PM

Yes about prawns
No about Joe being a racist. There is not one racist statement in his post.
His discription of MASH is accurate. It is a sad story. Not funny. The sensitivities regarding what was offensive were different during the Korean War and the run of the show and viewed by many as racist today.
The humor is gallows at best. Which by definition is is trying to laugh while dying.

And Joe could probably tell you what the price of tea (prawns) is in China.
And that would be relevant, interesting, and very intellegent.

So again the free flow of ideas (and ideals) prevails.
A win-win.

fishbuck - 3-23-2019 at 01:02 AM

"It appears that Bajabuddha, thinks he is Ron Kovic, from Tom Cruise's, movie, " Born on the Fourth of July." 

I'm thinking he is more "Catch 22". With his "SNAFU Semantics" and "FTA Phlosophy".

I wish I was watching it now.
You know, with a fresh batch of popcorn... SHRIMP!:cool:

[Edited on 3-23-2019 by fishbuck]

chuckie - 3-23-2019 at 03:50 AM

Shrimp are good

David K - 3-23-2019 at 07:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
"It appears that Bajabuddha, thinks he is Ron Kovic, from Tom Cruise's, movie, " Born on the Fourth of July." 

I'm thinking he is more "Catch 22". With his "SNAFU Semantics" and "FTA Phlosophy".

I wish I was watching it now.
You know, with a fresh batch of popcorn... SHRIMP!:cool:

[Edited on 3-23-2019 by fishbuck]


Did you know Catch 22 was filmed near Guaymas on the Sea of Cortez coast? In fact until a few years ago, you could see the runway they made for the film on Google Earth. It has finally been built over.

mtgoat666 - 3-23-2019 at 07:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Shrimp are good


That’s not what she said

JoeJustJoe - 3-23-2019 at 08:09 AM

Thanks for the support a few posts back, but I think you hurt Bajabuddha's feelings, when you and the rest of us didn't show him enough deference over his Vietnam/MASH autobiography report.

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
"It appears that Bajabuddha, thinks he is Ron Kovic, from Tom Cruise's, movie, " Born on the Fourth of July." 

I'm thinking he is more "Catch 22". With his "SNAFU Semantics" and "FTA Phlosophy".

I wish I was watching it now.
You know, with a fresh batch of popcorn... SHRIMP!:cool:

[Edited on 3-23-2019 by fishbuck]

fishbuck - 3-23-2019 at 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Shrimp are good


That’s not what she said


I got your "jumbo" prawn right here lady!;)