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Toyota Tacoma- terrible review in Motor Trend

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thebajarunner - 4-3-2019 at 03:42 PM

"The Toyota Tacoma is the best-selling midsize pickup in the country, but from behind the wheel, it's hard to figure out why. "Toyota wins all the style points," features editor Scott Evans said. "Thank goodness for that because it has a lot of offsetting to do." It's hard to pinpoint just one flaw with the Tacoma because there are so many.""

That quote, from the current issue, is just the beginning. It hates the truck from here to the end of the road, and then some.

They hate the cabin comfort, seats, ride and power/transmission connection.
They hate everything except how it looks.

Toyota lovers should avoid this reading because it will ruin your day....

David K - 4-3-2019 at 03:47 PM

No, it will help lower prices... but that's okay.

A recent review tested the Tacoma against the Colorado, and the Ford Ranger... In Off and On-road driving... all three drivers (they switched between the three trucks liked the Chevy ride on the highway best and loved the Tacoma performance off-road. The new (well only new in the U.S.) Ford failed big time.

del mar - 4-3-2019 at 04:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
No, it will help lower prices... but that's okay.

A recent review tested the Tacoma against the Colorado, and the Ford Ranger... In Off and On-road driving... all three drivers (they switched between the three trucks liked the Chevy ride on the highway best and loved the Tacoma performance off-road. The new (well only new in the U.S.) Ford failed big time.


source?

Mulege Canuck - 4-3-2019 at 04:32 PM

I hope this blows up into a Ford vs Toyota thread. I am back from Baja and it is great entertainment.

“ My F350 eats Tacoma’s for breakfast “. That should get the ball rolling😎

mtgoat666 - 4-3-2019 at 04:32 PM

I bought a new PU 2 yrs ago. I drove the tacoma and f150. After trying the f150, the tacoma seemed crappy in comparison. Funny, the f150 ecoboost 6 cyl gets better gas mileage than the much littler, lighter tacoma. Tacoma aint got no game.

[Edited on 4-3-2019 by mtgoat666]

JZ - 4-3-2019 at 04:40 PM

A Taco is what you buy your kid to drive in high school. Not what a grown man drives.

David K - 4-3-2019 at 04:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
No, it will help lower prices... but that's okay.

A recent review tested the Tacoma against the Colorado, and the Ford Ranger... In Off and On-road driving... all three drivers (they switched between the three trucks liked the Chevy ride on the highway best and loved the Tacoma performance off-road. The new (well only new in the U.S.) Ford failed big time.


source?




For the other replies... a Tacoma is a mid-size truck. It is not comparable to a Ford f-150 or 350.... seriously. :rolleyes:

Mulege Canuck - 4-3-2019 at 04:45 PM

A Taco is an all terrain shopping unit. Gets the wife home every time after a big Costco shop.

mtgoat666 - 4-3-2019 at 04:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
No, it will help lower prices... but that's okay.

A recent review tested the Tacoma against the Colorado, and the Ford Ranger... In Off and On-road driving... all three drivers (they switched between the three trucks liked the Chevy ride on the highway best and loved the Tacoma performance off-road. The new (well only new in the U.S.) Ford failed big time.


source?




For the other replies... a Tacoma is a mid-size truck. It is not comparable to a Ford f-150 or 350.... seriously. :rolleyes:


I was in market for 4 dr Pu, did not care mid or full size, but had to have look i could tolerate, be comfy ride. . The ford and toyota had tolerable look, the ford beat toyota, was really no contest, the toyota was cheesy out of date interior. Ford f150 had much better ride.
I would have bought midsize, but none could cut it.

[Edited on 4-3-2019 by mtgoat666]

John Harper - 4-3-2019 at 05:04 PM

The new Ford and Toyota grilles are virtually identical! Not a fan of the new Toyota headlights, too bulging and bulbous.

I've owned two Rangers, both extremely reliable, simple to work on, and economical. Never let me down. Toyota good trucks too, not a Chevy S10/Colorado fan, seem oddly engineered, tough access to simple maintenance items.

John

PaulW - 4-3-2019 at 05:09 PM

Times change as does the vehicle design. The way it was three years ago is not so great for the new model. It happens for all makes.
Just look at the reviews for the new Tundra. Once it was the best of all pickups. Not so much for this years model.
Both Tacoma and Tundra are following the classical practice which is make them pretty and ignore the details. American car companies followed that method for a long time. The common rule is do not buy the first or even second year production after a major change.

David K - 4-3-2019 at 05:15 PM

Agree... avoid the first year of a new model.

I got a 2005 Tacoma (2nd Generation) which was the first year of the bigger Tacoma (now about the size of the first generation Tundra). It had some issues (noise in front brakes and ABS issues, too soft suspension, air bag light cable fail) that my 2001 Tacoma didn't have (it didn't have any).

My 2010, was great... and still is.

PaulW - 4-3-2019 at 05:24 PM

My good friend and my grand son both have the Gen 1 V8 Tundra. What a great truck. Neither have had significant issues. The size is about the same as a Tacoma.

JZ - 4-3-2019 at 06:23 PM

"Just look at the reviews for the new Tundra. Once it was the best of all pickups."

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :O

[Edited on 4-4-2019 by JZ]

fishbuck - 4-3-2019 at 07:32 PM

"My F350 eats Tacoma’s for breakfast “. That should get the ball rolling😎"

No this is wrong. It takes atleast two Tacoma's for an F-350 breakfest...

mtgoat666 - 4-3-2019 at 08:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
"My F350 eats Tacoma’s for breakfast “. That should get the ball rolling😎"

No this is wrong. It takes atleast two Tacoma's for an F-350 breakfest...


It is folly to buy a truck to compensate for your small penis size.
Your boat got stolen, you dont need the gas hog anymore. F350 rides like chit. Beating up your body with every bump in the road actually makes your gut bigger and penis smaller, true that!

norte - 4-3-2019 at 09:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
No, it will help lower prices... but that's okay.

A recent review tested the Tacoma against the Colorado, and the Ford Ranger... In Off and On-road driving... all three drivers (they switched between the three trucks liked the Chevy ride on the highway best and loved the Tacoma performance off-road. The new (well only new in the U.S.) Ford failed big time.


source?


Its comparable price wise.




For the other replies... a Tacoma is a mid-size truck. It is not comparable to a Ford f-150 or 350.... seriously. :rolleyes:

norte - 4-3-2019 at 09:18 PM

I really don't understand buying the overpriced Tacoma when you can buy a Ram or F150 for the same price.

caj13 - 4-3-2019 at 09:52 PM

desided to buy a new4 door pick-up, primarily for traveling to and from Baja, but also alot of travel in general. we put about 70,000 miles per year on our 2 vehicles.

I wanted comfort and smooth ride, but awd or 4wd absolute must. went in to the Toyota dealer all set to buy a tacoma, I loved its reputation, and man does it hold resale value! . Boy was I disapointed. just sitting in it was awfull, very limited space in the rear seats, front seats squished you into tight cubbies, didn't ride that great' it would be terrible on long road trips. I could not talk myself into it.

went to ford, F150 was nice, but had a pretty stiff ride, and the price was pretty stiff as well.

and on and on, for 2 weeks, dealer by dealer eliminating vehicles.

eventually went into Honda - walked out with an awd ridgeline I got for cheaper than the Tacoma, has a fantastic ride, loads of room front and back seats, really neat 2 way tail gate plus lockable trunk. The thing checked all the boxes. so 2 months into it, just rolled over 9000 miles, and it is absolutely fantastic. 23.8 - 25 mpg, rated to tow 6000 lbs, thats more than I tow.. I'd like it alot more, but my widfe took it away from me, and kicked me into her old range rover.

I do fully understand that the Ridgeline does not come equiped with the artificial penis inflator, but as my wife pointed out, I really didn't need that.

[Edited on 4-4-2019 by caj13]

fishbuck - 4-3-2019 at 09:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
"My F350 eats Tacoma’s for breakfast “. That should get the ball rolling😎"

No this is wrong. It takes atleast two Tacoma's for an F-350 breakfest...


It is folly to buy a truck to compensate for your small penis size.
Your boat got stolen, you dont need the gas hog anymore. F350 rides like chit. Beating up your body with every bump in the road actually makes your gut bigger and penis smaller, true that!


I would prefer that you not be interested in the size of my penis please

fishbuck - 4-3-2019 at 10:06 PM

I bought my F-350 after my F-150 had an issue and I had to leave it at the Sunrise Motocross Park.
It was more truck than I needed but it was cheap and fresh.
The roads were smooth during the test drive...
But yeah, I would prefer to park it and ride around in a Ford Ranger. They ride nice.

bajadogs - 4-3-2019 at 10:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
I really don't understand buying the overpriced Tacoma when you can buy a Ram or F150 for the same price.


My 20 year old Ram goes forwards and backwards... quite comfortably. It also blends in with the locals. You all keep shopping. It makes me feel grounded.

DanO - 4-3-2019 at 10:46 PM

I've had 3 Ford F150s over the past 25 years, worked them hard and maintained them well. Put over 100,000 miles on each, a good chunk of those miles in Baja, and they never broke down or stranded me in the middle of nowhere. My only complaint about the latest one (a 2012) is its crappy first generation Ford Sync computer system. I have a Fusion that has the latest Sync iteration and Ford wisely just turned over the software chores to Google. I agree with the comment that the Tacoma is really cramped inside. If I'm driving for six, seven, eight hours, with a full crew inside, I need the space in the F150. I sat in the Tacoma once with one of my kids and he said, no way, too small.

bajadogs - 4-3-2019 at 10:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by DanO  
I have a Fusion that has the latest Sync iteration and Ford wisely just turned over the software chores to Google. I agree with the comment that the Tacoma is really cramped inside.


That technology is in the hands of your passengers. Cars and trucks need to stop trying to be Apple. I was in a Tacoma once. I'm a big dude and I love my Ram.

chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 03:06 AM

The key is in the First three letters....TOY......

bajatrailrider - 4-4-2019 at 08:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck  
"My F350 eats Tacoma’s for breakfast “. That should get the ball rolling😎"

No this is wrong. It takes atleast two Tacoma's for an F-350 breakfest...


It is folly to buy a truck to compensate for your small penis size.
Your boat got stolen, you dont need the gas hog anymore. F350 rides like chit. Beating up your body with every bump in the road actually makes your gut bigger and penis smaller, true that!
Another blow hard joke. The f350 pulling a trailer is needed. While your wimp f150 is only used for mall trips. What do you know next to nothing .

chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 09:03 AM

What makes NO SENSE is to buy less than a REAL truck if you are going to actually use it as a truck, even occasionly...If it is going to be used as a motorized grocery cart..doesnt matter....

MMc - 4-4-2019 at 09:10 AM

Trucks and Tires, I love the ones that get me there and back.

hombre66 - 4-4-2019 at 09:26 AM

I have a Tundra and a Ranger. Each one serves a different function. Pretty cool,huh. By the way, I like em both.

chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 09:38 AM

that makes sense

David K - 4-4-2019 at 09:58 AM

What some are missing is that if you are an explorer, the full-size trucks just won't work. Heck, even a Tacoma can't get everywhere, but there are a lot of places I do get to that a Raptor or other full-size truck cannot.

It also fits into a standard garage, easier to park, easier to drive, and being a Toyota, rarely has mechanical failures or quality issues. There is a reason it is not cheap and holds its values far better than other brands.

The TRD OFF ROAD TACOMA was developed with input by Ivan Stewart and racing in Baja. There is no other truck more in tune.
The 4-door Tacoma is also made in Baja California, so it is at home in Baja! LOL

If any of you were on the Internet 19 years ago, you will recall when I began shopping for my first 4WD pickup. I was going for a Ford Ranger (this was before Ken Cooke had his failures with one). Neal Johns strongly urged me to get a Tacoma and then there were a bunch of Baja amigos who also had Tacomas and swore by them. When the Ford dealership wouldn't take my trade-in, and the Toyota dealer made it all too easy for me (Toyota Carlsbad), that was sweet. My first truck was amazing, no problems, drove great off-road, and I put 136,000 miles on it in less than 5 years... nothing broke.

You just may not need the mass of a full-size truck. Mine is used for work and play... and I am on my third Tacoma probably my last (its paid for, lol). Owning one makes you a believer. The 4WD system (A-TRAC and locking differential) makes this one the most capable of my three... I have not been able to get it stuck, as I have with the other two (briefly, lol). The newer Tacomas have Mult-Terrain Select (an adjustable form of A-TRAC) plus CRAWL CONTROL, basically self drives through anything. You can shut those features off should you want to get stuck, briefly!

TMW - 4-4-2019 at 10:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
What makes NO SENSE is to buy less than a REAL truck if you are going to actually use it as a truck, even occasionly...If it is going to be used as a motorized grocery cart..doesnt matter....


My 07 Tacoma 4x4 company truck had no problem pulling a 5,000 lb trailer with a snowcat on it up a 7,000 ft mtn on a regular basis.

chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 10:35 AM

Good!

chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 11:57 AM

Should leave this alone,but....5000 lbs isn't much.of a load. Capacity on that toy is about 6600lbs 5000 lbs=about 4 1/2 roundbales of Alfalfa. "OL Smokey" my 98 Dodge Cummins regularly towed a 13 bale load up and down hills and never missed a beat.Towing capacity was 31,000 lbs. When I sent him to the big rest home in the sky, he had 403,000 miles on his clock. . BUT you say look at the comparative cost!...I bought Smoke at a farm bankruptcy sale for around 4000 bucks with a lil over 100,000 miles on him. When he retired, I sold the engine and 5 speed manual tranny for 2300 bucks and the scrap value on the rest was around 600.Engine still used almost no oil...,Retired because I didn't need him anymore (sob) and the front end needed a complete rebuild......I got value for money from him....

David K - 4-4-2019 at 12:20 PM

In America, we have choices... get the truck that you need or that you want.

Comparing a mid-size truck (Tacoma) to a full-size Ford/ Dodge (or is it Ram now)/ etc. is no comparison. They are for different things unless it is just for transportation and camping gear.

The Tacoma is #1 for a good reason, but things change. Maybe the other mid-size brands will compete? That's great. The new Jeep Gladiator will come out strong for those who can afford one. I have been waiting for a long time to see Jeep back in the truck market. I test drove a Jeep Comanche before buying a Mitsubishi Mighty Max back in the late 80s. Love Jeeps, but will never buy one, again!

chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 12:29 PM

OK

fishbuck - 4-4-2019 at 12:33 PM

Ranger 1 rider 1 motocross bike
F-150 2 riders 2 motocross bikes and a small pit bike.
F-350 Stack as many motocross bikes as possible and 4 riders no problem. You can't overload it.


[Edited on 4-4-2019 by fishbuck]

fishbuck - 4-4-2019 at 12:39 PM

Also Ranger better on highway. Think skinny.
That line in the middle of the highway doesn't keep buses and trucks on their side.
Wide tire are good so you can hang of the edge a little without dropping off...

chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 02:52 PM

What color?

fishbuck - 4-4-2019 at 04:21 PM

I think the lines are white...

mtgoat666 - 4-4-2019 at 04:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Should leave this alone,but....5000 lbs isn't much.of a load. Capacity on that toy is about 6600lbs 5000 lbs=about 4 1/2 roundbales of Alfalfa. "OL Smokey" my 98 Dodge Cummins regularly towed a 13 bale load up and down hills and never missed a beat.Towing capacity was 31,000 lbs. ..


What hills? There are hills in kansas? You call those things hills?

Very few of us want to tow 31,000 lbs. if i want to tow 15 tons, i will hire someone.


chuckie - 4-4-2019 at 05:32 PM

You ARE a 31000 lb load, goatley....

blackwolfmt - 4-4-2019 at 06:26 PM

Or 15 TONS:lol:


Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
You ARE a 31000 lb load, goatley....

John Harper - 4-4-2019 at 06:27 PM

Mount Sunflower is 4039 feet. A lot higher than a prairie dog burrow.

John

[Edited on 4-5-2019 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 4-4-2019 at 08:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Mount Sunflower is 4039 feet. A lot higher than a prairie dog burrow.

John

[Edited on 4-5-2019 by John Harper]


‘The State of Kansas gradually increases in elevation from the east to the west. As such, "Mount" Sunflower, while the highest point in the state in terms of elevation, is virtually indistinguishable from the surrounding terrain.”

According to the Kansas geol survey the tallest hill in Kansas is 418 feet. To put that in perspective the tallest building in Kansas is 385 ft.





[Edited on 4-5-2019 by mtgoat666]

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 03:40 AM

Fascinating!

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 05:35 AM

I am amazed and amused at how quickly the subject changes on this forum, in this case from trucks to geography..all based on erroneous assumption! When I was still on the home place (Boys are there now) Most of the hay purchased came out of SW Nebraska. Sometimes S. Dakota. Trucked to NW Kansas. I would imagine that is still true SO: Goathead can occupy himself today by doing a topographical analysis of those areas. We spend most of our time at our condos in Boulder Co, and Santa fe Nm. We also have a small home in St.Francis Ks. And,until a few years ago maintained a home in Mulege. Its called "Retirement"....Stay well all..

John Harper - 4-5-2019 at 05:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  

‘The State of Kansas gradually increases in elevation from the east to the west. As such, "Mount" Sunflower, while the highest point in the state in terms of elevation, is virtually indistinguishable from the surrounding terrain.”

According to the Kansas geol survey the tallest hill in Kansas is 418 feet. To put that in perspective the tallest building in Kansas is 385 ft.


Some people just have no sense of humor.

It was a joke. I guess it went right over your head.

Come on Goat, turn that frown upside down, it's Friday!

John



[Edited on 4-5-2019 by John Harper]

bajatrailrider - 4-5-2019 at 07:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Mount Sunflower is 4039 feet. A lot higher than a prairie dog burrow.

John

[Edited on 4-5-2019 by John Harper]


‘The State of Kansas gradually increases in elevation from the east to the west. As such, "Mount" Sunflower, while the highest point in the state in terms of elevation, is virtually indistinguishable from the surrounding terrain.”

According to the Kansas geol survey the tallest hill in Kansas is 418 feet. To put that in perspective the tallest building in Kansas is 385 ft.





[Edited on 4-5-2019 by mtgoat666]
Village Idiot 666 strikes again Knows Nada.:bounce:

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 07:58 AM

Hey John! I'll drive right by Ol Mt. Sunflower next week! Headed for my Grandkids in West Texas. I Have never seen it! May trek to the very top and plant a flag.....Thanks...stay well

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 08:23 AM



For those of you have are not familiar with "Round Bales"...This one has a DB bailed up in it!

David K - 4-5-2019 at 08:34 AM

DB? diamondback?

John Harper - 4-5-2019 at 08:48 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Hey John! I'll drive right by Ol Mt. Sunflower next week! Headed for my Grandkids in West Texas. I Have never seen it! May trek to the very top and plant a flag.....Thanks...stay well


Post up a photo from the summit. The Mt. Whitney of Kansas!

John

John Harper - 4-5-2019 at 08:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
DB? diamondback?


DB = Feminine hygiene product.

John

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 09:06 AM

DOUBLE LOL!!!

Hook - 4-5-2019 at 09:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
desided to buy a new4 door pick-up, primarily for traveling to and from Baja, but also alot of travel in general. we put about 70,000 miles per year on our 2 vehicles.

I wanted comfort and smooth ride, but awd or 4wd absolute must. went in to the Toyota dealer all set to buy a tacoma, I loved its reputation, and man does it hold resale value! . Boy was I disapointed. just sitting in it was awfull, very limited space in the rear seats, front seats squished you into tight cubbies, didn't ride that great' it would be terrible on long road trips. I could not talk myself into it.

went to ford, F150 was nice, but had a pretty stiff ride, and the price was pretty stiff as well.

and on and on, for 2 weeks, dealer by dealer eliminating vehicles.

eventually went into Honda - walked out with an awd ridgeline I got for cheaper than the Tacoma, has a fantastic ride, loads of room front and back seats, really neat 2 way tail gate plus lockable trunk. The thing checked all the boxes. so 2 months into it, just rolled over 9000 miles, and it is absolutely fantastic. 23.8 - 25 mpg, rated to tow 6000 lbs, thats more than I tow.. I'd like it alot more, but my widfe took it away from me, and kicked me into her old range rover.

I do fully understand that the Ridgeline does not come equiped with the artificial penis inflator, but as my wife pointed out, I really didn't need that.

[Edited on 4-4-2019 by caj13]


This vehicle you mention would satisfy a lot of people who aren't "explorers" (why buy a truck for "exploring", when you are only going to be "exploring" 1% of the driving time, or less?), but want the convenience of a truck bed and the fuel economy of an SUV. And while Ridgelines dont have true 4wd, the electronic traction control available in many vehicles these days is plenty good for most loose surface conditions.

Many here are forgetting that, by far, the fastest growing, and maybe the largest (in terms of units sold) segment of the RV industry is the lightweight trailer at 20 feet or under. Look on the road this summer, while you are vacationing. Look in the campgrounds. These things are taking over. And I'm not talking about the R-pod like vehicles that are basically little more than sleeping quarters.

I think one of these will be in my future pretty soon. Many have clearance for taking on dirt roads, 'cause they know that's what people want. Many have queen sized Murphy beds with true mattresses that dont have to fold. When the bed is up, there is a full sized sofa under it.

And many don't force you to deal with a built in dinette that is never very comfortable to sit in longer than it takes to eat a meal. So, you can have comfortable chairs and a moveable, foldable table that can be set up outside, too. This even frees up space to have even recliners in there.

Yeah, they can be towed with an SUV. And SUVs have some comfort, convenience and security benefits over a mid-sized truck with an open bed. But one trend that I am disappointed in, with respect to SUVs, is the move away from the rear window that can be opened or lowered independent of the "tailgate". That can limit how long an object you can put in an SUV.

We now own a second generation Toyota Highlander. This thing is so easy to drive on the highway or dirt roads, compared to the still-going-strong F350 or the Jeep LJ. At 65 mph on the highway, it still gets 28-30 mpg. Nice! You can just feel the reliability in this thing. Everything works, everything is predictable (brakes, acceleration, turning, suspension) as far as driveability goes........even with over 100k miles.

But it does suffer from what every Toyota I have ever owned suffers from. Rather crappy interior, smallish seats and very poor sound insulation from road noise. And that tailgate window issue.

But it is roomy for an SUV that gets that kind of mileage. It will literally seat seven (third row in back). Not that comfortably, but fine for being the occasional carpool vehicle for dinner out with friends or heading to the pickleball courts.

Where I'm going with this is, one needs to really analyze your present and future needs and figure out whether you actually need a vehicle as capable as a F-150-350 or a Tacoma or 4Runner, or whether some truck hybrid like an SUV or Ridgeline is all you need. Don't base it on 1-2 trips to Baja in a year. The savings in fuel economy can be significant; like 20-30% in some cases.

I plan on keeping the F350 and the Highlander. There will be trips to the developed campground that make sense for the SUV to tow the light travel trailer. And there will be more middle-of-nowhere trips where the F350 will tow the trailer and the ATV will be in the bed of the truck.

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 09:34 AM

What he said...

TMW - 4-5-2019 at 05:00 PM

Talk about hauling things, in 1966 I had a pallet of concrete blocks loaded in the bed of my brothers 1966 FORD F100. That was done in Mission Valley in San Diego and I drove it over the hill to Lemon Grove. The fork lift operator said the load was 3200 lbs. I did it twice. FORD TOUGH. The truck sat a little low and didn't have a lot of get up and go but that 300ci straight six with a 4 speed stick did the job.

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 05:10 PM

One of the best motors Ford ever built!

willardguy - 4-5-2019 at 07:26 PM

chitty mpg but love the timing GEAR!:P

John Harper - 4-5-2019 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW  
but that 300ci straight six with a 4 speed stick did the job.


My friend had a Bronco with a huge inline six, like a tractor motor. I forget, but I recall it was also a 300 cubic inch straight six. A very impressive engine.

You could put a rope around Baja and break it off with that motor.

John

[Edited on 4-6-2019 by John Harper]

chuckie - 4-5-2019 at 08:04 PM

There are a lot of the engines around here running irrigation wells...They run 24/7 About 4 months per year...Many of them have been doing it for years....

caj13 - 4-6-2019 at 09:02 AM

Hey Hook, thanks for the insights.
when I plan on getting true offroad I have a couple of other options. I have an 88 Range Rover -
thing is small (everyoine thinks of RR as big, but its smaller than a jeep cherokee. , rides great but is incredibly good offroad. Has a full length roof rack, and hauls a trailer if I want it.

since its an 88, not much in electronic gremlins that tend to plauge newer models,plus no stupid constant velocity joint that always breaks.

And if I really want to style it,
I pull out my ex Mod land rover defender 110.
it is set up with a sleep platform,
and can get me anywhere -
never fast, but I always arrive.

So If I do deside I want to do some exploring on the trip - I'll take one of the rovers!

Or, I I want to take the honda, and do some exploring, I just haul down a couple of KTM 300s. They can get to alot more places than I am capable of reaching. I can haul em in the back of the pickup - or a utility trailer with a bunch of camping gear.

Quote: Originally posted by Hook  


This vehicle you mention would satisfy a lot of people who aren't "explorers" (why buy a truck for "exploring", when you are only going to be "exploring" 1% of the driving time, or less?), but want the convenience of a truck bed and the fuel economy of an SUV. And while Ridgelines dont have true 4wd, the electronic traction control available in many vehicles these days is plenty good for most loose surface conditions.

Many here are forgetting that, by far, the fastest growing, and maybe the largest (in terms of units sold) segment of the RV industry is the lightweight trailer at 20 feet or under. Look on the road this summer, while you are vacationing. Look in the campgrounds. These things are taking over. And I'm not talking about the R-pod like vehicles that are basically little more than sleeping quarters.

I think one of these will be in my future pretty soon. Many have clearance for taking on dirt roads, 'cause they know that's what people want. Many have queen sized Murphy beds with true mattresses that dont have to fold. When the bed is up, there is a full sized sofa under it.

And many don't force you to deal with a built in dinette that is never very comfortable to sit in longer than it takes to eat a meal. So, you can have comfortable chairs and a moveable, foldable table that can be set up outside, too. This even frees up space to have even recliners in there.

Yeah, they can be towed with an SUV. And SUVs have some comfort, convenience and security benefits over a mid-sized truck with an open bed. But one trend that I am disappointed in, with respect to SUVs, is the move away from the rear window that can be opened or lowered independent of the "tailgate". That can limit how long an object you can put in an SUV.

We now own a second generation Toyota Highlander. This thing is so easy to drive on the highway or dirt roads, compared to the still-going-strong F350 or the Jeep LJ. At 65 mph on the highway, it still gets 28-30 mpg. Nice! You can just feel the reliability in this thing. Everything works, everything is predictable (brakes, acceleration, turning, suspension) as far as driveability goes........even with over 100k miles.

But it does suffer from what every Toyota I have ever owned suffers from. Rather crappy interior, smallish seats and very poor sound insulation from road noise. And that tailgate window issue.

But it is roomy for an SUV that gets that kind of mileage. It will literally seat seven (third row in back). Not that comfortably, but fine for being the occasional carpool vehicle for dinner out with friends or heading to the pickleball courts.

Where I'm going with this is, one needs to really analyze your present and future needs and figure out whether you actually need a vehicle as capable as a F-150-350 or a Tacoma or 4Runner, or whether some truck hybrid like an SUV or Ridgeline is all you need. Don't base it on 1-2 trips to Baja in a year. The savings in fuel economy can be significant; like 20-30% in some cases.

I plan on keeping the F350 and the Highlander. There will be trips to the developed campground that make sense for the SUV to tow the light travel trailer. And there will be more middle-of-nowhere trips where the F350 will tow the trailer and the ATV will be in the bed of the truck.


[Edited on 4-6-2019 by caj13]

Purdyd - 4-6-2019 at 08:50 PM

2003 toyota tacoma 2wd 5 speed manual, no power windows, no power locks, no power mirrors.

you actually have to adjust the temperature manually

i think it will run forever

I had a 1985 long bed toyota before that

But I don't really like the newer tacoma

I'm thinking my next vehicle might be a Ford, um van to hold all of the toys

bajatrailrider - 4-7-2019 at 08:43 AM

The best Tacos last year 04 smaller body and better looking. While I was in LA visiting I was able to. To drive all day a 18 TRD auto Great truck but NOOO go for me. As the reports by drivers not happy are correct. Auto trans it down shifts two gears when power needed . When you only need 1 gear down shift. Engine is needs to be up in revs to make power or shift auto trans manual. For me I will keep my Diesel Nissan manual with low end pull. Would love to drive new TRD manual trans.

David K - 4-7-2019 at 08:53 AM

Right you are Larry!
The 3rd Gen Taco (2016+) has the Atkins 3.5 engine vs the 4.0 of the second Gen (2005-2015) to please the 'enviros' and all that effort only gained a mile per gallon or two. Learning the new power points and shifting habits have been a complaint from those who also have owned earlier, powerful V-6 Tacos. I had a 2001 with the 3.4 and then 2005 and 2010 models with the 4.0, a rock-solid motor... and lots of power on demand. The trade off is in mileage... the heavy 4WD models getting 15-17 mpg for mixed condition driving. I rarely got over 20 mpg on highway driving. The new 4x4 Tacos are claiming 22 mpg, highway.
It's a TRUCK... if we only want high mileage we would get a Prius! LOL

mtgoat666 - 4-7-2019 at 09:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Taco... the heavy 4WD models getting 15-17 mpg for mixed condition driving. I rarely got over 20 mpg on highway driving. The new 4x4 Tacos are claiming 22 mpg, highway.


Dk, you got ripped off when you bought your Toyota with the obsolete 20th century engine technology My 4x4 4 door f150 gets 21+ mpg on highway
:lol:

David K - 4-7-2019 at 09:13 AM

No, I did not... I lucked out because I got a truck that fits on more trails... and gets me home where it is also my daily work truck.
Stop confusing a full-size truck with a mid-size Tacoma... and a warranty /quality nightmare with a reliable, crafted truck. I get 19 and you get 21 on the highway, but my truck doesn't go to the mechanic after every off-road trip or need fixing on the trail every trip.

norte - 4-7-2019 at 02:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Taco... the heavy 4WD models getting 15-17 mpg for mixed condition driving. I rarely got over 20 mpg on highway driving. The new 4x4 Tacos are claiming 22 mpg, highway.


Dk, you got ripped off when you bought your Toyota with the obsolete 20th century engine technology My 4x4 4 door f150 gets 21+ mpg on highway
:lol:


And a RAM1500 4x4 with a 385 hp 5.7L gets 18-22 as well. Toy counts on product loyalty to rip off its customers. This is why it is not rate #1 any more.

David K - 4-7-2019 at 03:25 PM

Ram got out of the mid size truck business when the Dakota was dropped. Why is it so hard for some of you to compare trucks in the same category? This thread is not about Tundras or other full size trucks. Not one Nomad with a Tacoma bought it for high mileage, not one.

Hook - 4-7-2019 at 03:44 PM

In looking over the reliability of Ford, Chevy, Dodge and Toyota trucks over the last 10-15 years (according to Consumers Reports reliability and owner satisfaction surveys), there is (or maybe was) something to say for reliability in a Toyota.

Well, until the new generation came out. Reliability and owner satisfaction have sunk to around the 40-60% mark.

Before that, from 2015-2005, many years were statistically near 100% in reliability and 60-80% in owner satisfaction.

As ever, all the lines of American trucks suffered from serious reliability issues going back 10-15 years, statistically speaking. This is especially true of their mid-sized lines where statistically reliability is sometimes in the 20% level. Naturally, that translates to a low owner satisfaction number, too.

The Nissan Frontier is a bit of an anomaly. It statistically is decent in reliability over the last 15 years, but it suffers from horrible owner satisfaction numbers during that time. Like many years at 20%. Something else is going on that would require delving into the specific statistical categories.

I really dont know what I would do if I was looking for a newish truck right now. It probably WOULD be an F-150 because of how they have increased their towing and payload capacity, along with decent fuel economy. The diminished reliability would just have to be accepted.

The Toyota just does not make sense for what they cost and what they are capable of. Apparently, you cant count on it's reliability, either, which was always a Toyota hallmark. You put up with less interior, less capability in favor of reliability. But no more, statistically speaking.

I'll stick with my 7.3 L F350. It just keeps running with 250K miles.

[Edited on 4-7-2019 by Hook]

chuckie - 4-7-2019 at 03:50 PM

I bought an F250, when Smoky went on...

Hook - 4-7-2019 at 04:26 PM

What eventually got Ol' Smoky? Was it actually engine related, or was it other things?

Seems like with Dodges with the Cummins, it was always the "other things" that make you decide to move on.

TMW - 4-7-2019 at 05:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Taco... the heavy 4WD models getting 15-17 mpg for mixed condition driving. I rarely got over 20 mpg on highway driving. The new 4x4 Tacos are claiming 22 mpg, highway.


Dk, you got ripped off when you bought your Toyota with the obsolete 20th century engine technology My 4x4 4 door f150 gets 21+ mpg on highway
:lol:


And a RAM1500 4x4 with a 385 hp 5.7L gets 18-22 as well. Toy counts on product loyalty to rip off its customers. This is why it is not rate #1 any more.


Truck Trend just tested two 2019 Ram trucks with 5.7L engines. The 1500 Laramie EPA fuel Econ was listed as city/hwy/combo 17/22/19. As tested it was 15.73 average and 19.07 best. The Ram 1500 Rebel same EPA tested 14.5 average and 17.96 best.

They also tested two 2019 FORDs. The F150 Limited with a 3.5L EcoBoost V6. EPA was not yet rated. AS tested 15.46 average and 20.25 best. They also tested a 2019 F150 Lariat 4x4 with a 3L Power Stroke. EPA (C/H/C) 20/25/22. AS tested 21.61 average and 25.48 as tested.


TMW - 4-7-2019 at 06:02 PM

Fuel mileage varies depending on many things like how and where you drive, what's in the fuel, the condition of the tires, new tires get less fuel mileage as reported in Consumers Reports. How fast do you drive. Generally speaking 40+/- mph gets the best mileage. When someone says he gets 22mpg on the hwy is that doing 55 or 70.

In looking at the specs on a new chevy 4x4 with a 5.3L I see the est hwy mileage is 19mpg. When I bought my 91 chevy 4x4 with a 5.7L it said 17mpg and my 04 GMC Z71 with a 5.3L said 18mpg. Overall I don't thing that's much of an improvement over 28 years. In my case I didn't see much of a change in combo driving between the 91 and the 04, in both cases it averaged about 15-16mpg.

chuckie - 4-7-2019 at 06:06 PM

Engine was perfecto///403,000 miles used no oil got 2300 bucks bucks for engine and tranny,,,600 for the rest...Frontend needed a complete rebuild....so...served me well

willardguy - 4-7-2019 at 08:06 PM

when you have over eleven thousand posts jabbering on about your stock Tacoma, you're locked in!;)......guess who?

Jabbering on...

David K - 4-7-2019 at 10:37 PM

(future) Ford Ranger Raptor vs Chevy Colorado ZR2 vs Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKoCOZDsvHo

Tacoma TRD Pro vs Chevy Colorado ZR2:



Tacoma TRD Pro vs Nissan Frontier:



Tacoma TRD Sport vs Ford Ranger:



After owning a Tacoma TRD Pro for 2 months:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbo_Xif6BV0

PaulW - 4-8-2019 at 06:41 AM

on and on about the toyota obsession.
My last 4Runner was not that great compared to my several Fords.

David K - 4-8-2019 at 08:37 AM

The YouTubes I posted mostly liked the Ford or Chevy mid-size trucks.

norte - 4-8-2019 at 08:54 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Ram got out of the mid size truck business when the Dakota was dropped. Why is it so hard for some of you to compare trucks in the same category? This thread is not about Tundras or other full size trucks. Not one Nomad with a Tacoma bought it for high mileage, not one.


When comparing fuel mileage, cost, comfort etc it is OK to compare dissimilar sized vehicles. After all, the discussion here is more than just about size.

willardguy - 4-8-2019 at 09:53 AM

Quote: Originally posted by norte  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Ram got out of the mid size truck business when the Dakota was dropped. Why is it so hard for some of you to compare trucks in the same category? This thread is not about Tundras or other full size trucks. Not one Nomad with a Tacoma bought it for high mileage, not one.


When comparing fuel mileage, cost, comfort etc it is OK to compare dissimilar sized vehicles. After all, the discussion here is :?more than just about size.


allegedly toyota will be going to a common chassis for tundra and tacoma, the mid/full size is getting fuzzier.......

chuckie - 4-8-2019 at 10:16 AM

FACTS: Toyota Tacoma Dimensions Width: 74.4" Wheelbase 127.4" Overall length 212"
Ford F150. Width 79.9" Wheelbase 122.0 inches Overall length 209.3"

Ford is shorter in wheelbase, overall length and less than 5 inches wider than the Toyota...So its BS about it not being able to do narrow trails,eh?
Dimensions taken from Mfg. specs

TMW - 4-8-2019 at 11:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
FACTS: Toyota Tacoma Dimensions Width: 74.4" Wheelbase 127.4" Overall length 212"
Ford F150. Width 79.9" Wheelbase 122.0 inches Overall length 209.3"

Ford is shorter in wheelbase, overall length and less than 5 inches wider than the Toyota...So its BS about it not being able to do narrow trails,eh?
Dimensions taken from Mfg. specs


You are comparing a Tacoma double cab to a FORD reg cab, not the same.

chuckie - 4-8-2019 at 01:07 PM

WRONG WRONG....

David K - 4-8-2019 at 01:33 PM

Cameron could not get his Raptor to Mission Santa María, and I have taken all three of my Tacomas there. A Raptor is an F-150, and his is a crew cab.

willardguy - 4-8-2019 at 02:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Cameron could not get his Raptor to Mission Santa María, and I have taken all three of my Tacomas there. A Raptor is an F-150, and his is a crew cab.


well yeah you knucklehead, the Raptor is a foot wider than a F150 :rolleyes:

PaulW - 4-8-2019 at 02:12 PM

Raptor is quite a bit wider. Look it up.
Same WB as standard F150, but is sits higher due to taller tires and taller springs, making it better for those tall rocks and deep water.
Some guys are reluctant to test an 80k truck on hard places.


Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Cameron could not get his Raptor to Mission Santa María, and I have taken all three of my Tacomas there. A Raptor is an F-150, and his is a crew cab.

chuckie - 4-8-2019 at 02:52 PM

Another diversion post from DK....Who is "Cameron"...???

willardguy - 4-8-2019 at 03:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Another diversion post from DK....Who is "Cameron"...???


Cameron Steele, he's actually the real deal....buts been known to wear his cap over his ears:lol:

David K - 4-8-2019 at 03:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Another diversion post from DK....Who is "Cameron"...???


Really Chuckie?
Besides being the winner of both the Baja 1000 and Mexican 1000, leader of the annual Rip to Cabo m/c rides, and TV announcer... he has (since 2014) lead the Trail of Missions TV tour every June... and that's how he and I became acquainted.

See last years show (the road from Mike's to Meling/El Coyote is featured):

https://youtu.be/-mQu0nSGSGM


blackwolfmt - 4-8-2019 at 04:04 PM

obviously Chuck hasn't been in the BAJA loop in a while if hes never heard of CS



Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Another diversion post from DK....Who is "Cameron"...???

chuckie - 4-8-2019 at 05:09 PM

Check your leg....Its been pulled...

chuckie - 4-8-2019 at 05:17 PM

NOW! Tell me what "Cameron" has to do with Toyota/Ford dimensions?

MMc - 4-8-2019 at 05:19 PM

This thread is pretty funny, Do any of you think you are changing anybody's mind when it comes to a truck? We all make OUR choice for a truck based on what we plan to do with it.
To think you and your opinion are important to anybody else is to grandfie yourself.

mtgoat666 - 4-8-2019 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Cameron could not get his Raptor to Mission Santa María, and I have taken all three of my Tacomas there. A Raptor is an F-150, and his is a crew cab.


Big woopie!
This cameroon guy just needs to park at point he was afraid to pass, then walk or mtn bike
You people need to get out of AC truck cab, do you good to get some exercise, trim down, be healthy!

David K - 4-8-2019 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
NOW! Tell me what "Cameron" has to do with Toyota/Ford dimensions?


Cameron, a professional Baja race truck driver could not get his Ford Raptor (F-150 size) to a popular but extreme off road location... one that I can with my mid-size truck. There is a difference in ability and sometimes it is just a few inches that makes it... vehicle length, vehicle width, and ground clearance.

chuckie - 4-8-2019 at 05:29 PM

BS...

mtgoat666 - 4-8-2019 at 05:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by blackwolfmt  
obviously Chuck hasn't been in the BAJA loop in a while if hes never heard of CS



Quote: Originally posted by chuckie  
Another diversion post from DK....Who is "Cameron"...???


I have only heard of him here, cause dk fawns over him.
If you dont follow knuckledragging news, you probably never would hear of him.
I think he is best known for pitching monster energy swill and having sensitive ear tips, perhaps too many sunburns?


MMc - 4-8-2019 at 05:56 PM

Mr Steele runs a very nice business, helps the people of Baja and spends a bunch of time there, got goat on all three counts.

DK, I ran my 2500 long bed in there. I am sure CS could get in there if he wanted too. It's a pretty bad place to break a truck, sometimes not doing something is the smart move.

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