BajaNomad - Best full offroad tire?

Best full offroad tire?

fishbuck - 6-27-2019 at 10:04 AM

I been on the lookout for the best tire. I'm not into fancy rims but I see some nice ones.

Please post pics of the best tire you see...

fishbuck - 6-27-2019 at 10:07 AM

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fishbuck - 6-27-2019 at 10:09 AM

This is a 20 inch rim and 305 width.
13 inches wide.
My tires are 33s. These are 32s but 1 inch wider.

[Edited on 6-27-2019 by fishbuck]

chippy - 6-27-2019 at 11:06 AM

If you are really just gonna use it offroad those examples are terrible.
Not so much the tires but the rims. To much rim not enough tire. I like the BFG KO2 and the Cooper ST Maxx for what I do.

David K - 6-27-2019 at 11:14 AM

The sidewalls are more important than width. Mine are 32" on 16" rims (265/75-16) which is pretty common size for unlifted 4x4s.

[Edited on 6-27-2019 by David K]

4x4abc - 6-27-2019 at 11:28 AM

as a general rule a good off road tire should be around 35" in diameter - about 12.50 wide (for the 4x4 vehicles on the market that are off road capable)
the very few smaller exceptions (Suzuki Jimny) will be fine with smaller tires

the wheel should be a small as possible (whatever smallest size fits over your brakes)
a 15" wheel with 35" tires is preferable over a 17" wheel on 35's

the Baja racers definitely know what works best
for years they were running 15/35
when horsepower and brake size increased they moved on to 17" wheels with 37" tires
this was in order to preserve the volume of air in the tire
air volume in the tire is the single most important aspect for trouble free exploring - it gives you a much wider range of weight carrying capacity and the ability to air down
like super low like 3 psi for emergencies - can't even go to 10 psi in a 20" wheel with 35" tires

which brand?
some new good ones have popped up in recent years
the one with the best track record are BFG tires
which pattern?
from my own experience (30+ years in the Baja backcountry) MT tires hold up better than AT tires

also from experience - larger tires with less air prevent flats - especially on dirt roads with machine broken gravel (sharp!)

others will chip in with their favorite brands - but I can tell you this from testing off road tires for magazines, I have seen some pretty durable tires other than BFG - but they were usually louder on pavement and stiffer (more prone to flats and harsher ride)

now, let the dirt fly!

solosancarlos - 6-27-2019 at 11:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

The sidewalks are more important than width. Mine are 32" on 16" rims (265/75-16) which is pretty common size for unlifted 4x4s.

You mean the "sidewalls"

Standard Non "Bobby Baja" style for most mortals is a:

Load range "E", 10 ply tread and sidewall.

Carry 2 spares

David K - 6-27-2019 at 11:49 AM

Yes, thanks... I hate auto correct.

Harold is the expert and he is correct. However, 35" tires need a lift. My 32s are the biggest on a Tacoma without a lift and have no rub.
The new, improved BFG KO series is a big improvement and the mud terrain version was not loud at highway speed as typical for mud tires.
I have liked Toyo Open Country, Cooper Discoverer, and Hankook DynaPro (my current brand).

fishbuck - 6-27-2019 at 12:17 PM

sandpoint - 6-27-2019 at 12:51 PM

I like BFG KO2's. 235/85 R16, E rated. They are pricey though. 16" rims are the smallest that clear the Tundra front brake calipers/rotor setup. That tall/skinny size saves 9-lbs a tire vs 265/75 and doesn't rub on the Tacoma's frame. They do squirm in corners and braking. Any larger and I'd need a big lift at a minimum. Does well in the sand and especially the snow. Quieter than a mud tire. Worse mileage than a Rugged Trail.

[Edited on 6-27-2019 by sandpoint]

JZ - 6-27-2019 at 12:59 PM

If you aren't running Nitto Terra Grapplers you are doing it wrong.

mtgoat666 - 6-27-2019 at 03:09 PM

Dont overthink it. Tires are temporary, you are not getting married to ‘em.
My selection factors: got to be adequately multi-purpose (highway, offroad, snow), adequate reviews, low noise, price.
If looks are a factor to you, you got stupid priorities.

chippy - 6-27-2019 at 03:51 PM

Hey goat you got some offroad tires on your prius? Show us some photos.

DanO - 6-27-2019 at 04:00 PM

Not sure of the brand, but these clever Russian folks have figured out a way to mount two tires on one rim for the purpose of driving in the snow. Too bad they got the tire sizes wrong, but they came up with a hilarious workaround -- screwing the outside tire to the inside tire. Oddly enough, the inside tire promptly went flat. YMMV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxJqLzxlKRM&t=273s

They also came up with the idea of making a tire entirely out of nails. What's one more nail when you already have 3,000 of them in your tire? Great for weeding and cultivating your yard as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idLoI5nyQ-U

4x4abc - 6-27-2019 at 05:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by solosancarlos

Standard Non "Bobby Baja" style for most mortals is a:

Load range "E", 10 ply tread and sidewall.

Carry 2 spares

10 ply tread and sidewall is 1950's (bias ply tires)
we have moved on to steel belted (rarely more than 2 ply sidewall)

Carry 2 spares?
If your tires are too small for the job and need to be fully inflated at all times to carry your heavy truck, you will have flats often and need 2 spares.

Once you get tires with more volume of air, flats will be a part of history and one spare will do.

When I moved from 30x10.50 to 35x12.50 I went from one flat a week to no flat in 10 years

hanging two spares on your back is like mounting shovel and HiLift to your roof rack - it means you don't really know what you are doing

AKgringo - 6-27-2019 at 06:38 PM

I don't carry an extra spare, but the one I have is an exact match to the ones on the SUV. I do carry an inner tube with me, because with it, most tire shops would be able to get you back on the road even with multiple small punctures.

The tube takes up almost no room in the car, and it sure beats trying to find a matching tire (or tube) in a remote area! The one I had installed in Los Barriles two years ago is now my spare.

I agree with Harald abut the BFG mud terrains being a good choice, even in sand! The only place I did not like them is on ice, and that shuldn't be a problem for you in Baja. The question was about off road tires, but unless you are off road a lot, I would stick with a fairly open all terrain model.

JZ - 6-27-2019 at 06:41 PM

Quote: Originally posted by chippy

Hey goat you got some offroad tires on your prius? Show us some photos.

He doesn't really need AT's to keep the tips flowing from his Uber customers.

mtgoat666 - 6-27-2019 at 07:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by chippy

Hey goat you got some offroad tires on your prius? Show us some photos.

He doesn't really need AT's to keep the tips flowing from his Uber customers.

you guys are a bunch of girls discussing tires for a truck. the place you really notice tires is bicycles. i got 11 bikes and 2 unicycles in my garage -- and got 14 different models of tires across those bikes.
i notice the tire choice on any cycle -- i barely notice the tire choice on a motor vehicle.
you guys better man up and stop talking girlish trivia about rubber for cars.

p.s. i don't remember what tire is on the Hondas (passenger cars) and toyota (SUV). The f-150 is still newish and rolling on stock tires (wrangler?) have not bothered to look recently, so forget make/model), but getting replacement bfg at t/a ko2 c soon (after the stock tires wear out)

JZ - 6-27-2019 at 07:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

You know how I know those comments got you all riled up? Glad we could make you justify/defend yourself to internet strangers.

You just broke troll 101 rules by getting emotional.

Mulege Canuck - 6-27-2019 at 08:16 PM

I use to use Nitto Grapplers on my bush truck up north. I put them on my F350 and camper when we started going to Baja. The problem was they could not handle the heat at 70 PSI. They were blowing up on me. I needed that tire pressure given the load I was carrying.

I switched to BFG KO2’s and have had no problems. I buy them in Baja for less than half the price I can get them for in Canada. The tire shop just north of Mulege at the Punta Chivato turn off has the best prices.

David K - 6-27-2019 at 09:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Mulege Canuck

I use to use Nitto Grapplers on my bush truck up north. I put them on my F350 and camper when we started going to Baja. The problem was they could not handle the heat at 70 PSI. They were blowing up on me. I needed that tire pressure given the load I was carrying.

I switched to BFG KO2’s and have had no problems. I buy them in Baja for less than half the price I can get them for in Canada. The tire shop just north of Mulege at the Punta Chivato turn off has the best prices.

Really, at Palo Verde? Just a couple months ago, Nomad 'geoffff' needed a tire after ripping his sidewall out at the tip of the Concepción Peninsula and had me ask (via satellite) for possible tire sources. None had any his size. The new tire sales shop in Santa Rosalia was nearly empty of any stock and that was after he tried used ones in Mulege. He got one smaller for a spare that fit the rim.

Mulege Canuck - 6-27-2019 at 10:14 PM

None of the tire places in Mulege have any inventory. I talked with Martin and he got me the tires I wanted at a great price. The tires were there a week after I ordered them.

fishbuck - 6-27-2019 at 11:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by solosancarlos

Standard Non "Bobby Baja" style for most mortals is a:

Load range "E", 10 ply tread and sidewall.

Carry 2 spares

fishbuck - 6-27-2019 at 11:24 PM

10 ply tread and sidewall is 1950's (bias ply tires)
we have moved on to steel belted (rarely more than 2 ply sidewall)
Yes.
I read the fine print on my tire. 2 ply sidewall.
Not sure where I got 10 ply from.
5 ply tread.

But very stiff sidewall.
I'm noticing a little softer after the last trip. Maybe just needed a good hard... breaking in...

geoffff - 6-27-2019 at 11:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck

Not sure where I got 10 ply from.
5 ply tread.

The term "10 ply" is still commonly used as a synonym for "E-rated". These days the tires are technically 10-ply "rated" - they don't actually have 10 plies.

From https://talkcarswell.com/best-tires/load-range-e-10-ply-truc...

Quote:

Load Range B (4 ply tire)
Load Range C (6 ply tire)
Load Range D (8 ply tire)
Load Range E (10 ply tire)
Load Range F (12 ply tire)

-- Geoff

fishbuck - 6-28-2019 at 12:43 AM

Double D always my favorite

fishbuck - 6-30-2019 at 09:16 PM

fishbuck - 6-30-2019 at 09:20 PM

fishbuck - 6-30-2019 at 09:22 PM

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solosancarlos - 6-30-2019 at 09:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by solosancarlos

Standard Non "Bobby Baja" style for most mortals is a:

Load range "E", 10 ply tread and sidewall.

Carry 2 spares

you truly just keep being a bigger buffoon with every post

good luck

mtgoat666 - 6-30-2019 at 11:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by fishbuck

Fishflock,
Those look perfect for you, buy them!

msteve1014 - 7-1-2019 at 06:21 AM

I wish I had been quick enough for a pic yesterday. Saw a guy in a F-350, maybe a 6 or 8 inch lift and wheels like that, probably 40 series tires.

No shovel or farm jack.

4x4abc - 7-1-2019 at 07:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by solosancarlos

you truly just keep being a bigger buffoon with every post

good luck

I am a buffoon by choice

like the jester at courts I have freedoms others don't have

http://nothingistic.org/library/gibran/madman/madman01.html

4x4abc - 7-1-2019 at 07:10 AM

20"? - why not be more radical

fishbuck - 7-1-2019 at 10:48 AM

Kiss my ground clearance. :coolup:

fishbuck - 7-1-2019 at 01:11 PM

fishbuck - 7-1-2019 at 01:52 PM

Nose landing skid...? Better that a front flip... I guess...

fishbuck - 7-2-2019 at 12:08 PM

del mar - 7-2-2019 at 12:51 PM

you can go ANYWHERE in a jeep!

fishbuck - 7-2-2019 at 01:01 PM

Too much air pressure...?

fishbuck - 7-2-2019 at 01:03 PM

He was missing his nose landing skid...

fishbuck - 7-2-2019 at 02:05 PM

fishbuck - 7-2-2019 at 02:07 PM

David K - 7-2-2019 at 04:16 PM

Now you are getting it, Mike! The more sidewall, the more potential for floatation.

fishbuck - 7-2-2019 at 04:50 PM

"I calls um like I sees um"

These are trucks I see just walking around.

This Raptor has 17 inch rims. He took off before I could get the size.
Probably 35s.

[Edited on 7-2-2019 by fishbuck]

Hankook DynaPro ATM 265/75-16 (32")

David K - 7-2-2019 at 05:24 PM

Here's a bunch of pics of my current and all-around favorite tire for many reasons... including how well it floats on the gulf beaches which are softer with crushed shell in the mix... and I only need to deflate to 18 psi for maximum benefit.

I have also run BFG Rugged Trail TAs, Toyo Open Country AT, Cooper Discoverer AT, Cooper Discoverer STT, and Destiny Dakota AT. The BFGs were the worst performance, lowest mileage, followed by the Destiny Dakotas with also under 30,000 miles per tire life. The Cooper STTs were the noisiest, most expensive, longest mileage at 40,000+, but terrible in the sand. The Cooper ATs, Toyo ATs, and Hankook ATMs are all good truck tires with off-road features, but the Hankooks kind of steal the show.

I was impressed with the new KO Mud Terrain BFG tires when I got to ride on them in the Raptor last May. No loud noise for a mud tire!

[Edited on 7-3-2019 by David K]

fishbuck - 7-2-2019 at 05:44 PM

The Raptor tires look like knobbis.
I like those best.

Your's look excellent.

fishbuck - 7-3-2019 at 11:03 AM

I took my truck to America's Tire yesterday.
I think I bought my last 5 or so sets of tires there.

Rotation, balance, inspection.
All green.
But I did knock a few tire weights off... and 1 tire sidewall shows abrasion to the point that Michelin is barely visible.

That must be the "panic" tire... the one that starts to sink and I panic and floor the 5.4 flat...

I hate that "sinking" feeling...
Don't let me down baby...

[Edited on 7-3-2019 by fishbuck]

BajaRat - 7-3-2019 at 02:55 PM

BFG KM's will be the new shoes on our Baja Burb.
I'll pass the half worn KM2's to our ranch truck.
Lionel :cool:

fishbuck - 7-4-2019 at 01:54 PM

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fishbuck - 7-4-2019 at 01:56 PM

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fishbuck - 7-5-2019 at 01:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Yes, but this is your tire thread???

Uncertain of the meaning of the statement.

But yes, as I said, if I see a cool "baja" truck I take a picture of the tire/wheel combo.
It interests me because I might buy some big sand tires for my truck.
But all very expensive.
I thought others might like the photos.
My tires are awesome and can do sand. But are not "offroad" tires.
So I am studying and learning... and sharing...
Is there a Baja Nomad rule against this?

fishbuck - 7-5-2019 at 01:45 PM

I remember. I acidently posted and deleted the helicopter in El Rosario post.
Nevermind :coolup:

fishbuck - 7-5-2019 at 01:47 PM

I do love these Mickey Thompsons

David K - 7-5-2019 at 01:47 PM

Have a nice day!