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91% of Americans living in Mexico are Illegal

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2019 at 09:57 AM

Interesting, if true, that 91% of Americans living in Mexico are illegal aliens!

I know there are many here that believe everything they read on the internet so this must be true.

Keep in mind, I copied this from Greengoes, aka Peter Geller, on Facebook, and a person I would like to see his papers.

All I know for sure, there are many illegal alien Americans in Mexico.
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Here's a twist: 91% of Americans living in Mexico are "Illegal"

When most people hear the words "undocumented immigrants" they think Mexicans right?

But did you know that there are a lot of Americans living illegally in Mexico? Yeah, I didn’t think so. The way Fox News and Trump talk, you'd think that was something only those "drug dealing rapists" from south of the border did. Not so.

The U.S. State Department confirms that almost a million Americans are living illegally in Mexico.

According to a study by the National Institute of Geography and Statistics, around 739,168 thousand American citizens lived in Mexico in 2015 and, according to the National Institute of Immigration, of those only 65,302 were legal residents.

That means that 91.2 percent of estadounidenses living in Mexico in 2015 were there “illegally”.

And that number has risen. More recent statistics from the State Department report that almost a million Americans are currently residing in Mexico and, of those, 934,698 are there illegally. That's an almost 40% increase in just two years.

While Trump’s administration constantly tweets about "illegals," they've conveniently failed to mention the reverse statistics.

The horde of "terrorists" and "criminal aliens" that Trump tweets about, murdering, stealing American jobs, and raping white women, are actually just regular, hard-working people trying to live their lives.

Of the roughly 11,328 people Trump has deported back to Mexico only 723 were deported on serious criminal charges.

Unlike the U.S. however, Mexico does not deport Americans. In contrast, the Mexican government remains much more flexible and understanding towards the growing population of undocumented immigrants from the United States.

That's a phrase I bet you never thought you'd read.

https://www.wearelatinlive.com/article/4487/heres-a-twist-91...

wilderone - 8-2-2019 at 10:30 AM

I don't believe those statistics at all. The term "illegal" as used is not qualified vis a vis Mexican requirements. Very likely these residents are getting visas every 6 months (as my friend did who lived in Chiapas for 3 years in a house he purchased, and grew organic vegetables he sold to restaurants). Of course Mexico does not deport Americans with social security and pension checks arriving monthly. And I doubt many are looking for work, or have drug cartel affiliations.

SFandH - 8-2-2019 at 10:34 AM

"739,168 thousand American citizens lived in Mexico in 2015 and, according to the National Institute of Immigration, of those only 65,302 were legal residents."

not 65,302, it's 65,303 I know someone they didn't ask.

Where do they get these numbers from?

[Edited on 8-2-2019 by SFandH]

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2019 at 10:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
I don't believe those statistics at all. The term "illegal" as used is not qualified vis a vis Mexican requirements. Very likely these residents are getting visas every 6 months (as my friend did who lived in Chiapas for 3 years in a house he purchased, and grew organic vegetables he sold to restaurants). Of course Mexico does not deport Americans with social security and pension checks arriving monthly. And I doubt many are looking for work, or have drug cartel affiliations.


If the Americans, are running to the border and getting a new FMM every six months, that's abusing/gaming the system, and it's not legal.

Wilderone, this statement you made smacks of " "American white privilege," Of course Mexico does not deport Americans with social security and pension checks arriving monthly."

I agree Mexico, wants foreigners with their Social Security and pension checks, because with both checks they make the financial requirements to live in Mexico, however, if those same Americans, only have a social security check, chances are they don't qualify to live in Mexico as an legal ex-pat, and Mexico does not want them.

But Mexico, is not knocking on doors, and making raids to deport illegal American aliens, although they were offering asylum a while back, and they have stepped up efforts to check IDs in Baja.

4x4abc - 8-2-2019 at 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
Very likely these residents are getting visas every 6 months (as my friend did who lived in Chiapas for 3 years in a house he purchased, and grew organic vegetables he sold to restaurants).


Thank you for proving the point.
The (max) 6 months visa is intended for visitors, tourists.
Your friend is running a business.
Doing so on a FFM is illegal.

I don't even dare to ask whether he paid taxes on his veggie sales.

Pacifico - 8-2-2019 at 12:07 PM

Here we go again! What are we talking about this time? North Americans? Central Americans? South Americans?

Or.....Are you referring to people from the United States?

:lol::lol::lol:

David K - 8-2-2019 at 12:14 PM

LOL
Mexico only needs to enforce its laws...

The biggest difference is that these illegal Americans (from the United States) are driving freely into Mexico and not sneaking in across the desert or through a tunnel, or over the wall!

There is a difference...


Mexicali/Calexico border, July 2015.

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2019 at 12:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Pacifico  
Here we go again! What are we talking about this time? North Americans? Central Americans? South Americans?

Or.....Are you referring to people from the United States?

:lol::lol::lol:


We are only talking about Americans, from the United States, living in Mexico illegally.

I suppose one could also talk about Canadians, living in Mexico illegally too, but I doubt their numbers are that high, nor does Canada, have a racist President, taking aim at Mexicans and Centrals Americans like the US does.

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2019 at 12:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
LOL
Mexico only needs to enforce its laws...

The biggest difference is that these illegal Americans (from the United States) are driving freely into Mexico and not sneaking in across the desert or through a tunnel, or over the wall!

There is a difference...



No David, if those Americans are driving freely into Mexico, they are either not stopping and getting their FMM tourist card, or they are getting their FMM card, and then overstaying their FMM tourist card visit, which is illegal in Mexico.

BTW this is how most Mexicans come to the US with a visa by airplane, and they just over stay their visa.

So why is it OK for Americans to overstay their visas, and not Mexicans in the US?

David K. do you really have to put up "Fox News" racist type images of Mexicans jumping the fence?

Like I said, most Latinos, coming over the border, do it legally, and then they just overstay their visas.

This is why the great big beautiful wall will not help, especially if they if the US is trying to stop drug trafficking with a wall.

Now back to the thread topic, American illegal Aliens, in Mexico.

[Edited on 8-2-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

David K - 8-2-2019 at 03:41 PM

How is it racist... they are people trespassing, their race has NOTHING to do with anything here?
The photo is from MY camera!
Like Fox, I report, you decide! LOL

I agree with your comments that Americans should stop and get the FMM or have their still-valid 180-day FMM. I think it is pretty sad that those who wish to live in Mexico (part-time or full time) do not get the correct visa and continue to simply renew the tourist card. If you keep property in Mexico and/ or go back to another property in the United States, over and over, you are not a tourist.

del mar - 8-2-2019 at 05:16 PM

im guessing the other 9% are nomads!:P

Whale-ista - 8-2-2019 at 05:18 PM

The biggest "difference" in most of these cases is pretty clear: various degrees of privilege.

Travelers with nice clothes, a newer car or truck, professional status and education, good language skills, higher levels of socio-economic resources, lighter skin/eyes/hair etc. can cross the border with much less scrutiny and stay much longer without being arrested/deported- in both countries- whether or not they have the right documents.

mtgoat666 - 8-2-2019 at 05:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista  
The biggest "difference" in most of these cases is pretty clear: various degrees of privilege.

Travelers with nice clothes, a newer car or truck, professional status and education, good language skills, higher levels of socio-economic resources, lighter skin/eyes/hair etc. can cross the border with much less scrutiny and stay much longer without being arrested/deported- in both countries- whether or not they have the right documents.


You suggest gringos in baja have nice clothes and good language skills, neither is true.
Most nomads wear cargo shorts, flip flops, t-shirt and truckers hat, and can’t speak basic Spanish. They get by by yelling English, Spanglish and a 50-word Spanish vocabulary. :lol::lol:

Maybe a few have professional status and education. You are right that most have lighter hair, specifically gray and bald. :lol:

SFandH - 8-2-2019 at 05:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Whale-ista  
The biggest "difference" in most of these cases is pretty clear: various degrees of privilege.

Travelers with nice clothes, a newer car or truck, professional status and education, good language skills, higher levels of socio-economic resources, lighter skin/eyes/hair etc. can cross the border with much less scrutiny and stay much longer without being arrested/deported- in both countries- whether or not they have the right documents.



That's the whole point of education, isn't it?

Sophistication.

Is the time coming when the illegal American in Mexico will be hunted down as the illegal Mexican in the US now is?

Maybe.

mtgoat666 - 8-2-2019 at 05:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
How is it racist... they are people trespassing, their race has NOTHING to do with anything here?
The photo is from MY camera!
Like Fox, I report, you decide! LOL


I don’t think he meant racist. He probably meant to say classist, and a little bit racist.

You lose credibility when you bring up Fox, that network is the racist network, does not support your argument that you are not a racist (or classist),

JZ - 8-2-2019 at 06:02 PM

Pretty pointless thread. Who cares. Not the Mexican government or the Mexican ppl.

vandenberg - 8-2-2019 at 06:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Pretty pointless thread. Who cares. Not the Mexican government or the Mexican ppl.


Just bring your dollars :biggrin:

JoeJustJoe - 8-2-2019 at 07:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
How is it racist... they are people trespassing, their race has NOTHING to do with anything here?
The photo is from MY camera!
Like Fox, I report, you decide! LOL


I don’t think he meant racist. He probably meant to say classist, and a little bit racist.

You lose credibility when you bring up Fox, that network is the racist network, does not support your argument that you are not a racist (or classist),


No I meant racist, because "Fox news" will use several inflammatory graphics of Mexicans climbing the fence, and David K. will do the same thing on "Baja Nomad."

Fox news, does it to probably whip up the base. I don't know why David K. does it.

[Edited on 8-3-2019 by JoeJustJoe]

LancairDriver - 8-2-2019 at 08:34 PM

Of the 91% of illegal gringos, what percentage are on welfare or other type of public dole?

mtgoat666 - 8-2-2019 at 08:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Of the 91% of illegal gringos, what percentage are on welfare or other type of public dole?


99% are on the dole: medicare and social security.

LancairDriver - 8-2-2019 at 08:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Of the 91% of illegal gringos, what percentage are on welfare or other type of public dole?


99% are on the dole: medicare and social security.


Hmm..I thought they paid into those programs.

bajaguy - 8-2-2019 at 09:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Of the 91% of illegal gringos, what percentage are on welfare or other type of public dole?


99% are on the dole: medicare and social security.


Hmm..I thought they paid into those programs.





Don't confuse the issue with facts

mtgoat666 - 8-2-2019 at 09:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Of the 91% of illegal gringos, what percentage are on welfare or other type of public dole?


99% are on the dole: medicare and social security.


Hmm..I thought they paid into those programs.


Yep, but still the dole.
I like these programs, nothing wrong with doling out dollars.

BajaBlanca - 8-3-2019 at 12:46 AM

If those numbers are correct, what a shame that so many stay without becoming legal residents. It is so simple and inexpensive compared to doing the same in the States.

JoeJustJoe - 8-3-2019 at 08:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaguy  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver  
Of the 91% of illegal gringos, what percentage are on welfare or other type of public dole?


99% are on the dole: medicare and social security.


Hmm..I thought they paid into those programs.


Don't confuse the issue with facts


Don't forget you brought you those programs, medicare and social security, it's was the so-called socialist democrats, back in the day in the 30's and later in the 60's.

Now these two social programs are even popular among the conservatives, but be careful, because the GOP is always looking to dismantle or privatized these two widely popular social programs to the detriment of Senior citizens from the states.

The other thing I witness in Rosarito, and I'm sure it goes on in other places in Mexico, is that amount of US ex-pats, on Social Security disability, for either work or mental related disability.

Although, you get paid more monthly on Social Security disability, than regular early retirement Social Security, I'm not sure it's enough to make the legal requirements to live in Mexico, if that's their only income.

greengoes - 8-3-2019 at 12:29 PM

It isn't if, it is when, the Mexican government will catch two FMM/FMT applications in a twelve month span.

Just as one day coming down 5 into beautiful downtown Tijuana there will be people manning the booths that have been built asking for ID's.

Papers Please:lol::lol::lol::lol:

BajaBill74 - 8-3-2019 at 06:45 PM

I have medicare and social security. These are brought up frequently in this thread. However, I understand medicare does not cover you in Mexico. Please let me know if I'm wrong, which I hope is the case.

chumlee57 - 8-3-2019 at 08:54 PM

to even insinuate that the cross border exchange betweeen mexicanos and expats is similar, is idiotic. Families of mexicanos live, work and send thier children to school here, which is actually fine with me, but there are huge differnces in the dynamic's. First, if you are an american living or visiting mexico for a long period of time, don't ever think about trying to work there, they will throw you out on your ear ASAP. Don't ever think about getting any free stuff, medical, welfare ( if they had it ) anything without being held in contempt, unless you pay for it, etc., we all know this. The point here is the entire exchange is completely different, americans go to mexico to spend money and relax, which is why mexico welcomes and tolerates so many americans, canadians, etc. The recipricol is simple economics, the US is a good place to come and make some money, send your kids to school here ( big bonus ) and when someone is ill, go to a hospital for free, maybe even scam the dumb system that is set up to get welfare of sorts ( brutal truth ) I only state the truth here, I don't have a side, i love resonably priced labor, I find 99% of mexicanos, Guatamalans, etc., extreamly hard working and family oriented people. The real problem with a discussion of reality that is as soon as you state something of truth, your a racist, it stops the bright discussion of true ideas. We've seen this for years now, to the point where as soon as someone states " racisim" we all know its because they have no legitimate answer to a tough question, it's weak and for followers. We live in global times, not mayberry rfd, I think it's great and its a transition time, people on both sides of this isle need to step back. Every country has its own problems and every country always will, its the way the world works, I find nothing wrong with any country looking out for itself over foresaking its population for some unknown greater good, that is for idealistic utopians

Paco Facullo - 8-4-2019 at 06:50 AM

Even without paragraphs (something I like but NOT a deal-breaker) as the content of chumlee57 's post is EXACTLY as it is .

Great job on explaining it perfectly !!!

91% of Americans living in Mexico are Illegal

AKgringo - 8-4-2019 at 10:36 AM

86% of statistics are made up as needed! (including this one)

JoeJustJoe - 8-4-2019 at 12:34 PM

Here is another article by one of my favorite news source, Al Jazeera, who is looking at this problem from a different angle, which is what's driving some American ex-pats to Mexico.

What's not mentioned in this article, are these Americans, moving to Mexico, are doing it legally?

I doubt it, since the star of these article, Elizabeth Lucas, says if she didn't move to Tijuana, and her $160 dollars a month apartment in the Zona Norte, she would have been homeless if a city like San Diego.

So I don't think a lot of the poor ex-pats coming to live in Mexico, are doing it legally.
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The 'crisis' driving some Americans to move to Mexico

A lack of affordable housing in the United States is driving many to move across the southern border.

Tijuana, Mexico - When Elizabeth Lucas moved with her four-year-old son from San Diego, California to a dangerous part of Tijuana, Mexico five years ago, she felt she had no other options.

The 32-year-old, originally from Washington state, had been homeless for a year in San Diego before moving about 30km across the border to a $160 a month apartment in Tijuana's red light district, Zona Norte, an area where drug dealing and violent crime are prevalent. She had spent years travelling back and forth between the United States and Mexico, but over the years has made Tijuana her permanent home.

"It was what I had to do," Lucas told Al Jazeera.

"It was either [move to Tijuana] or be homeless, and now that I have a kid it can't be like that. I at least have this option ... When you're a girl by yourself on the street, it's not good," she said, adding that she feels her family is safer in this part of Tijuana than in parts of San Diego.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/crisis-driving-am...

Whale-ista - 8-5-2019 at 12:08 PM

For years, Tijuana/Playas has been the affordable housing area for many working San Diegans who would rather cross the border daily than pay San Diego level rents.

Both workers and retirees enjoy living in Baja to save money, and enjoy a higher quality of life on a lower number of dollars.

And as others have noted: their presence is not only tolerated- its welcomed.

They spend dollars, support local businesses, and many landlords know they can get higher rents from Americans.

Are all of them doing this legally?

Of course not.

JoeJustJoe - 8-6-2019 at 12:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by greengoes  
It isn't if, it is when, the Mexican government will catch two FMM/FMT applications in a twelve month span.

Just as one day coming down 5 into beautiful downtown Tijuana there will be people manning the booths that have been built asking for ID's.

Papers Please:lol::lol::lol::lol:



Greengoes, is the only one who answered correctly about those that try to game Mexico's immigration laws, using the 180 day FMM. and then running back to the border, and starting the clock all over again with a new FMM.

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How long do I have to remain outside of Mexico before returning under the auspice of a new FMM?

There is no time limit to remain outside the country before re-entering using a new FMM—and thus obtaining another 180 days’ leave to remain in Mexico. Some people have been using this flexibility to stay here longer-term; however, with today’s computerized entry and exit systems, immigration officials at ports of entry have ready-access to your movements through Mexico and ‘perpetual visitors’ — people who continuously enter, stay for a few months, exit and then re-enter Mexico in short order — may now have their intentions questioned at the port of entry. We have heard of cases where people have been turned away; if you intend to stay in Mexico longer-term, we recommend you consider applying for temporary residency in Mexico.

https://www.mexperience.com/your-mexican-tourist-permit-fmm/

For those with a 6 month visa please note yesterday a person was turned back at Nuevo Laredo. They left Mexico after being here about 180 days and intended to turn around and re-enter with a new FMM. INM told him it was obvious he was a resident of Mexico and to go to MX consulate in Laredo. This person is from Chapala. He did obtain a pre-approved visa from the MX consulate in Laredo and is now back in Chapala and intend to see Spencer on Monday. A few others are starting to report similar experience with FMM renewal at Nuevo Laredo.

https://www.chapala.com/webboard/index.php?/topic/54373-tour...

freediverbrian - 8-6-2019 at 06:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JoeJustJoe  
Quote: Originally posted by greengoes  
It isn't if, it is when, the Mexican government will catch two FMM/FMT applications in a twelve month span.

Just as one day coming down 5 into beautiful downtown Tijuana there will be people manning the booths that have been built asking for ID's.

Papers Please:lol::lol::lol::lol:



Greengoes, is the only one who answered correctly about those that try to game Mexico's immigration laws, using the 180 day FMM. and then running back to the border, and starting the clock all over again with a new FMM.

____________________________

How long do I have to remain outside of Mexico before returning under the auspice of a new FMM?

There is no time limit to remain outside the country before re-entering using a new FMM—and thus obtaining another 180 days’ leave to remain in Mexico. Some people have been using this flexibility to stay here longer-term; however, with today’s computerized entry and exit systems, immigration officials at ports of entry have ready-access to your movements through Mexico and ‘perpetual visitors’ — people who continuously enter, stay for a few months, exit and then re-enter Mexico in short order — may now have their intentions questioned at the port of entry. We have heard of cases where people have been turned away; if you intend to stay in Mexico longer-term, we recommend you consider applying for temporary residency in Mexico.

https://www.mexperience.com/your-mexican-tourist-permit-fmm/

For those with a 6 month visa please note yesterday a person was turned back at Nuevo Laredo. They left Mexico after being here about 180 days and intended to turn around and re-enter with a new FMM. INM told him it was obvious he was a resident of Mexico and to go to MX consulate in Laredo. This person is from Chapala. He did obtain a pre-approved visa from the MX consulate in Laredo and is now back in Chapala and intend to see Spencer on Monday. A few others are starting to report similar experience with FMM renewal at Nuevo Laredo.

https://www.chapala.com/webboard/index.php?/topic/54373-tour...










I cross about 4-5 times a year at least once a year I get the excuse from the immigration officer , " sorry the internet is down you don't need a visa go ahead".

The odds that the Mexican government will catch you pulling two consecutive visas AND inforce the laws are so small , I am not worrying about it.

Brian L - 8-8-2019 at 05:14 PM

Do most illegal workers in the US not pay taxes? Seriously looking for an answer. I always thought the poor saps used a fake ID to get a job, pay taxes, maybe use our schools and hospitals, but then get screwed out of social security. Realize I'm naive, sorry...

norte - 8-8-2019 at 08:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Brian L  
Do most illegal workers in the US not pay taxes? Seriously looking for an answer. I always thought the poor saps used a fake ID to get a job, pay taxes, maybe use our schools and hospitals, but then get screwed out of social security. Realize I'm naive, sorry...



YES. All of those taken is raids in Florida would have had to had SSI numbers, had payroll taxes taken out, etc.

Some day laborers and independent contractors fudge on this requirement...including those that are legal USA residents.

mtgoat666 - 8-8-2019 at 08:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Day laborers you may see around Home Depot in the morning are independent contractors and responsible to report their income. Do you think they do?


Very few immigrants look for work in Home Depot parking lot. 99% of immigrants pay higher effective tax rat than their employers. They pay income tax, sale tax, car reg fees, etc.
The true cheat are the employers that highervcheap labor and exploit the laborers illegal status.

Good example was the ice raids yesterday. 600 hard working poor people arrested. Zero employers arrested. The trumpistas are waging war on poor brown people, letting white criminals skate.

David K - 8-9-2019 at 08:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Day laborers you may see around Home Depot in the morning are independent contractors and responsible to report their income. Do you think they do?


Very few immigrants look for work in Home Depot parking lot. 99% of immigrants pay higher effective tax rat than their employers. They pay income tax, sale tax, car reg fees, etc.
The true cheat are the employers that highervcheap labor and exploit the laborers illegal status.

Good example was the ice raids yesterday. 600 hard working poor people arrested. Zero employers arrested. The trumpistas are waging war on poor brown people, letting white criminals skate.


You obviously do not get out in the mornings to do hard work in landscape or construction... in the Southwest United States.

Skin color has zero to do with anything, but some love to divide the nation using racism. All that any nation asks of its visitors or immigrants is to follow the law of the land and use established border crossings. Simple.

wessongroup - 8-9-2019 at 10:27 AM

Would appear some degree of enforcement is taking place, at this time

More than 300 released after ICE arrests nearly 700 in Mississippi raids

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/08/nearly-700-arrested-in-ice-r...

SFandH - 8-9-2019 at 12:01 PM

I wonder why they are letting the employers off the hook.

"While hundreds of suspected undocumented immigrants were arrested Wednesday in a series of workplace raids that split up families and left communities terrified, their employers went home as if it were any other business day."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/ice-raids-...

mtgoat666 - 8-9-2019 at 12:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
I wonder why they are letting the employers off the hook.

"While hundreds of suspected undocumented immigrants were arrested Wednesday in a series of workplace raids that split up families and left communities terrified, their employers went home as if it were any other business day."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/ice-raids-...



The trump admin could stop immigration problems by going after employers that break the law or undocumented employees. They choose to go after employees, because employees are poor and brown, and employers are wealthy and white.

All men are created equal, then treated unequally by trumpsters on the basis of race and class.


[Edited on 8-9-2019 by mtgoat666]

David K - 8-9-2019 at 01:13 PM

Like the communists and fascists, you think that if you repeat a lie enough times it will become the truth?

caj13 - 8-9-2019 at 01:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Like the communists and fascists, you think that if you repeat a lie enough times it will become the truth?


Once again David, projecting your heros' faults, techniques, and ideologies onto others who opose thim, so that you can demonize them!
How Trumpian of you - Komrade. whos in bed with the russians again? and what is your definitionof fascists David,? because I'm not sure if it's supreme Irony, or ignorance that would lead you to mislabel individuals and their ideologies.

You would think with your american ingenutity and technologies you could figure out how to outcompete the stupid law breaking brown people who are invading your business territory!
But obviously, you want trump to eliminate cometition, so you can jack up the price you charge on good old american patriots! .


[Edited on 8-9-2019 by caj13]

SFandH - 8-9-2019 at 01:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by SFandH  
I wonder why they are letting the employers off the hook.

"While hundreds of suspected undocumented immigrants were arrested Wednesday in a series of workplace raids that split up families and left communities terrified, their employers went home as if it were any other business day."

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adolfoflores/ice-raids-...



The trump admin could stop immigration problems by going after employers that break the law or undocumented employees. They choose to go after employees, because employees are poor and brown, and employers are wealthy and white.

All men are created equal, then treated unequally by trumpsters on the basis of race and class.


[Edited on 8-9-2019 by mtgoat666]


It's clearly a double standard. Selective law enforcement. I imagine the multi-billion dollar food processing industry has some well-paid lobbyists with pockets full of bribes wandering around DC.

I'd love to see the company executives loaded on the same bus as the migrants and hauled away to a detention facility.

caj13 - 8-9-2019 at 01:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Day laborers you may see around Home Depot in the morning are independent contractors and responsible to report their income. Do you think they do?


Do you report ALL of your income David? I mean you don't do cash jobs and convieniently forget to list it, right?

I have a real problem with all of the lawn service companies. I wonder how many of them brown or white properly declare income and file honest taxes!

del mar - 8-9-2019 at 03:29 PM

and with joe gone we thought it would be smooth sailing! :lol:

caj13 - 8-9-2019 at 03:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Yes, I do. I am not a lawn service business other than irrigation systems to use less water and improve growth. I did not start a political topic. Look above my reply and find fault with the person who post lies about the president and racism. It is really so tirering that liberal racism and division is not called out by more. Read Dr. King, please.

RIGHT!
1. so no definition of Fascism eh? was that too difficult of a task for you David? (or did you look it up and saw you were in trouble there?)
2. "Posting lies about the president and racism"? right, pot calling kettle black eh!
3. Which "Dr Kings" reading would you like me to do David ?
(are you sure you want to rely on MLK to defend your words here David? -!)

And BTW - you would be very suprized just how Liberal I am not! if you look at my voting record, candidates I agreed with, economic and social platforms I supported - and you would be very suprized. You would think you were talking to a kindred spirit till you pulled out your Brown people are bad Bulls%#t
or started spouting totally made up BS with no documentation!

accountabilty David - its all about accountability. You have every right to post whatever you want, but that does not mean you are not held accountable for those words!
By extension, everyone who disagrees with you have exactly the same rights to post and responsibilities of accountability! deal with it David!
.

bajabuddha - 8-9-2019 at 04:36 PM

Incorrigible:
adjective-
1) not corrigible; bad beyond correction or reform:
incorrigible behavior; an incorrigible liar.

2) impervious to constraints or punishment; willful; unruly; uncontrollable:
an incorrigible child; incorrigible hair.

3) firmly fixed; not easily changed:
an incorrigible habit.

4) not easily swayed or influenced:
an incorrigible optimist.

noun:
5) a person who is incorrigible.

David K - 8-9-2019 at 04:47 PM

More Baja here please!
Stop crying over the election... Almost three years later you still can't accept it.
More Baja here please!

Did I miss something??

thebajarunner - 8-9-2019 at 04:48 PM

How do you compare the deportees with employers?

As I understand it, the only ones subject to this current deportation are those that have an outstanding court order to be deported.

While the employer may be also on the south side of the law, he/she is not subject (at the moment) to a deportation order.

Mixing apples and oranges does not yield fruit salad folks.

Note the distinction, it is pretty clear.

bajabuddha - 8-9-2019 at 04:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More Baja here please!
Stop crying over the election... Almost three years later you still can't accept it.
More Baja here please!



...... then STFU on your idiotic politics Davey boy! Please!

David K - 8-9-2019 at 05:08 PM

When goat and the other leftist posters do the same. How about equal consideration. If they stop posting politics then I would have nothing to do to provide balance. You will have a really hard time to find a post where I am the first to mention politics.

bajabuddha - 8-9-2019 at 05:40 PM

So in other words, you get the last? Is that it David? You are truly a tool, young man. Balance eh? Yeah that's it. Balance. You tell people to stick to Baja, as long as you get the last word. As long as people accept your dogma and ideologies as truth.

I for one am sick of this politicking pot-licking bullchit. Ever seen me post ANY POST as politics? No. You ask "more Baja" yet you spew constant non-Baja BS, buddy boy. Eat your own words.

Enough.

SFandH - 8-9-2019 at 06:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
How do you compare the deportees with employers?



My point is the employers don't suffer the consequences of breaking the law as do the undocumented workers. There's a double standard at work. Clearly, one way to stop migrants from crossing the border to find work is to make it so no one would hire them because of the consequences when caught.

Three busloads of workers from a multi-billion dollar food processor were hauled away. The only problem for the managers that hired them is filling the job vacancies. I bet next week, after the cops leave, more undocumented workers will be hired.

mtgoat666 - 8-9-2019 at 07:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
No dude, I would rather there be no word...

It is not justified that the liberals here get to spew their hate, and you "fair-minded folks" stay silent. If a "conservative" or patriot expresses a rebuttal then all hell breaks loose and you hope the drama you create by commenting (only on my reply) will drive me and other conservatives away?

Sorry, if you don't want politics or this crap anymore then go to the goat or others who chose to start it with their hate for the president or for America. Take it somewhere else.

More Baja & Less Blah blah


Patriot?

Trump is a hateful, racist, white nationalist. No disputing that. Case closed. It is unfortunate that his base is equally racist, or delusional, to pretend his message is not racist.
republicans that turn a blind eye to trump and his racism and hate speech are not patriots, patriots would not support racist hate that is tearing country apart. Trump is an evil man.
Dk, your defense of trump is evil.
Dk, are you sure you want to be on the wrong side of history supporting the fascist hate of trump crime family?

caj13 - 8-9-2019 at 07:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More Baja here please!
Stop crying over the election... Almost three years later you still can't accept it.
More Baja here please!


deflect and deny eh David! This thread started out as a report on US Citizens living in Baja illegally. You and a couple of your psycophants (yeah thats a clever intentional mispelling) immediately desided to flip that - desiding that
the best deflection to the issue of illegal americans in Mexico was to say well yeah but the other side is worse. and you followed that up with a boatload of patently false declarations, supporting your ideology, Then when called on that nonsence, you immediately retrerated into the - "oh poor me" victim.

And now its elections? David, every one of my posts has been a specific responce to you posting biased bigotted diatribes. I'm holding you asccountable David - you post it, you own it.

Minus 3 million David, and 2 years later - minus 8 million - keep up the good work!


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caj13 - 8-9-2019 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha  
Incorrigible:
adjective-
1) not corrigible; bad beyond correction or reform:
incorrigible behavior; an incorrigible liar.

2) impervious to constraints or punishment; willful; unruly; uncontrollable:
an incorrigible child; incorrigible hair.

3) firmly fixed; not easily changed:
an incorrigible habit.

4) not easily swayed or influenced:
an incorrigible optimist.

noun:
5) a person who is incorrigible.


Right, Glad you have a dictionary: Noew could you please help David out - apparently he is unabble to look up the definition of Fascist - could you do that for dear old David and post it up here - he needs the help in attacking liberals, and thats hard when he is using words he doesn't know the historical context or meaning of!

caj13 - 8-9-2019 at 07:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
When goat and the other leftist posters do the same. How about equal consideration. If they stop posting politics then I would have nothing to do to provide balance. You will have a really hard time to find a post where I am the first to mention politics.


Try this one for starters David - at least thats what forced me to respond - your shameless trying to turn this discussion of americans living illegally in Mexico into an attack on those criminal illegal brown people. when I see bigotry - damned right you will get a reaction out of me David.
You posted it - you own it!

Whale-ista - 8-9-2019 at 11:09 PM

"Skin color has zero to do with anything, but some love to divide the nation using racism. All that any nation asks of its visitors or immigrants is to follow the law of the land and use established border crossings. Simple."

Have you not been following the news? People seeking asylum, trying to legally enter at Tijuana and other "established border crossings," are being turned away and told they have to wait in Mexico- a complete change of process from previous years when they had the legal right to enter the country while waiting for an asylum hearing.

One man waited in Tijuana for months, went thru a hearing under the new regulations, and was awarded asylum this week- but the government appealed the results and tried to send him back to Mexico again.

IOW: most of these immigrants are trying their best to "follow the law"- and the US agencies keep changing it.

Imagine if we did this in other cases, say, driving: you start on a trip and are told the speed limit is 65 MPH, but halfway to your destination you are arrested for speeding because- unbeknownst to you- they law was changed, and the new speed limit is now 55 MPH.

But since you were driving at the time of the change- you had no way of knowing of the new speed limit.

Is it fair? Is it just? Or is it simply a way to make it impossible for people who want to "follow the law" to actually know what the law is from day to day?

Finally- Re:skin color- how many people crossing the northern border, or coming in from Europe and overstaying their visas, are being subjected to the treatment we see at the southern border?

If you truly believe this is not about race- you're simply not paying attention.

bajatrailrider - 8-10-2019 at 01:19 PM

David this is a worthless thread. Let the Baja blow hards. That don't have a life knock them self's out.:bounce:

Well said!

thebajarunner - 8-10-2019 at 03:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
David this is a worthless thread. Let the Baja blow hards. That don't have a life knock them self's out.:bounce:


You cannot reason with them
They just duck and dodge and change the point

SFandH - 8-10-2019 at 03:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  

You cannot reason with them
They just duck and dodge and change the point


OK, what's your point? I won't duck or dodge.

Lee - 8-10-2019 at 03:55 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
More Baja here please!
Stop crying over the election... Almost three years later you still can't accept it.
More Baja here please!


DK -- did you cry for 8 years with Obama in office? Moscow Mitch sure did.

You have a choice, when goat defames President Bone Spurs, to not respond to his insults, or you can pile it on with your nonsense.

When you write that women have no right to make decisions about their bodies, to their reproductive system, but the government/church should take that right away, then you are part of the problem.

That's when you become The Enemy of The People.

So, try to control yourself on this forum. You don't really need to respond to everything posted, especially when your posts are part of the problem in this country.

Besides, your political posts come across like a broken record. MX needs to respect the US Rule of Law. Oh boo hoo. MX needs to get in line and take a number like those who came before. Here we go.

2.5 years and the border is still broken. Accept no responsibility for that. Blame the Democrats. Sad.

BajaRat - 8-10-2019 at 04:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
LOL
Mexico only needs to enforce its laws...

The biggest difference is that these illegal Americans (from the United States) are driving freely into Mexico and not sneaking in across the desert or through a tunnel, or over the wall!

There is a difference...


Mexicali/Calexico border, July 2015.



It’s fine if you feel the need to hijack and side track Baja and Mexico discussions but please have the spine to stand by your statements.
Folks can read or disregard anyone’s posts but when you play that passive aggressive political crap and then play the victim it’s bound to draw criticism.
That peace love and tacos crap every time you give up is getting old.

Now back on track,
Is it legal to live in Mexico on a tourist visa ?
Thanks Lionel :cool

David K - 8-10-2019 at 04:20 PM

Wasn't that answered long ago?
If you are living in Mexico you are a resident.
Tourists are people on a vacation. Tourists don't go to their home on a vacation, they go to a hotel, a rental, a camping spot, etc. and they don't move their furniture to Mexico... That is what residents do (part-time or full time).

It is up to Mexico to enforce its laws on what kind of visa or paperwork is required of part-time residents. I just think going back to the border to get a new tourist card every 180 days is just is so obviously not the paperwork Mexico has in mind for people who buy homes in Mexico and live there part of the year.

caj13 - 8-10-2019 at 04:28 PM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
David this is a worthless thread. Let the Baja blow hards. That don't have a life knock them self's out.:bounce:


You cannot reason with them
They just duck and dodge and change the point


apparently you have confused Davids posts with others who reply - then David can't come up with a legit response, so he changes the topic - go back and look at this thread - and tell me whos changing ther topics here?

BajaRat - 8-10-2019 at 04:30 PM


I was referring to some posters reporting the continual “ re up “ of 180 day visas. I guess tourist visa should be self explanatory.
I’m sure plenty of illegals in Mexico are taking that route because they wouldn’t be able to live there legally
Lionel :cool:

caj13 - 8-10-2019 at 04:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Wasn't that answered long ago?
If you are living in Mexico you are a resident.
Tourists are people on a vacation. Tourists don't go to their home on a vacation, they go to a hotel, a rental, a camping spot, etc. and they don't move their furniture to Mexico... That is what residents do (part-time or full time).

It is up to Mexico to enforce its laws on what kind of visa or paperwork is required of part-time residents. I just think going back to the border to get a new tourist card every 180 days is just is so obviously not the paperwork Mexico has in mind for people who buy homes in Mexico and live there part of the year.


so lets see if I get this right David, Ok for USA citizens to live illegally in Mexico, itsd the governments responsibility to catch them,

and so I assume you apply the same standard to Mexican immigrants - right? They have every right to be here till they get caught by the government? is that what you are saying?

BajaRat - 8-10-2019 at 04:35 PM

91 percent seems awfully high
Like carpet showers, I don’t think that’s right
Lionel :cool:

David K - 8-10-2019 at 04:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Wasn't that answered long ago?
If you are living in Mexico you are a resident.
Tourists are people on a vacation. Tourists don't go to their home on a vacation, they go to a hotel, a rental, a camping spot, etc. and they don't move their furniture to Mexico... That is what residents do (part-time or full time).

It is up to Mexico to enforce its laws on what kind of visa or paperwork is required of part-time residents. I just think going back to the border to get a new tourist card every 180 days is just is so obviously not the paperwork Mexico has in mind for people who buy homes in Mexico and live there part of the year.


so lets see if I get this right David, Ok for USA citizens to live illegally in Mexico, itsd the governments responsibility to catch them,

and so I assume you apply the same standard to Mexican immigrants - right? They have every right to be here till they get caught by the government? is that what you are saying?



I don't know what you are on, but you need to stop adding your notions to what I type here. Nowhere did I say it is only Mexico's responsibility.... I think I was very clear that I think going back to the border for 180-day tourist cards is pretty wrong for residents in Mexico to be doing.

SFandH - 8-10-2019 at 05:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Nowhere did I say it is only Mexico's responsibility....


Quote: Originally posted by David K  


It is up to Mexico to enforce its laws on what kind of visa or paperwork is required of part-time residents.






[Edited on 8-11-2019 by SFandH]

[Edited on 8-11-2019 by SFandH]

David K - 8-10-2019 at 06:37 PM

Wow...
Again, here is what I have said. Never said "only".
1) It is Mexico's law to enforce.
And
2) Part time residents should have the correct visa to keep property in Mexico when they go back north.

caj13 - 8-10-2019 at 06:40 PM

Uh Oh - David,
It's spreading. Other people are also holding you accountable for your posts.

That seems a bit unfair - right?

and by ther way - nice try - attempting to put words into my mouth - you wrote
"Nowhere did I say it is only Mexico's responsibility."
.
I didn't say that either David! look it up - it's only a couple of posts above, it can't be that hard!

As you implore others - why not actually read what i write, instead of trying to warp my post into some sort of strawman that you think you can attack!

accountability David - You write it, you own it. Be a man - stand up for the words you wrote, instead of cowering behind all sorts of bogus "no I didn't say that" nonsense. You as a self styled professional author should be especially aware of the power of words, and the concomitant responsibilities of being accountable for your words!



[Edited on 8-11-2019 by caj13]

Bajazly - 8-11-2019 at 03:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Tourists don't go to their home on a vacation...


They do if they have a vacation home:?: I think there is no set time for a vacation.

Gscott - 8-11-2019 at 06:44 PM

I am not aware of residency requirements. Is there such thing as 'part time'
residents of mexico vs full time? I am not aware of any requirement that staying over 6 months a year is prohibited without becoming a resident.

Where is it written one can't own property in Mexico without being a resident? Then live there part time as a 'visitor'?

I do like their requirement to demonstrate fiscal responsibility in order to become a resident. I wish the USA did that. No more immigration without first demonstrating financial security.