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Hy 5 and Cocos

baja Steve - 11-10-2019 at 04:33 PM

Has anyone been southbound on Hy 5 From San Felipe to Hy 1 in the last couple of days.
Is it well marked in the new construction areas? Is Coco still in his old camp? If not how do you get to his new camp.
I will be heading down 5 on Thursday the 14th.
thanks

[Edited on 11-10-2019 by baja Steve]

David K - 11-10-2019 at 04:39 PM

TMW and other Nomads were just there at Coco's a couple days ago. The satellite ping came from Coco's original location.

Tom (TW) will post a report when he is back north... not sure when however. This afternoon at 2 pm he was at the El Tomatal road checkpoint, returning north from the Mulegé area.

Surprise!

David K - 11-10-2019 at 04:48 PM

As I was typing the above reply, a new Spot ping came in from TW... He is on thy new highway, parallel to Coco's Corner... (the new Hwy. is not shown on the Satellite map, but you see where the red dart is showing where Tom sent the signal from.



EDIT: Here is my GPS track on the new highway and detour on the south end, at about the same scale as the Spot map from TW:



[Edited on 11-10-2019 by David K]

PaulW - 11-10-2019 at 05:03 PM

New pavement just south of San Felipe make us happy. The gravel pit north of the curve is working full blast.
Here is what the wife said:
Starts at KM1
Some places gravel some with new blacktop on one side.
Some place both sides with new blacktop.
Some place are dug up with dirt or new gravel.
Had to drive in both the dirt and the gravel at some places.
Intermittent as far as KM34 which as far as she went.
The gravel and dirt sections appear to being rebuilt. as some were dug pretty deep.
Same narrow shoulders as before on the all new sections.
For sure, a work in progress.
A good thing because the road was really crappy.

PaulW - 11-10-2019 at 05:15 PM

David,
Could you could share your GPS track? The picture is not good enough.

David K - 11-10-2019 at 07:44 PM

Paul, I just have the inReach map off the website. Is there some other way to show you the track?

JZ - 11-10-2019 at 07:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Paul, I just have the inReach map off the website. Is there some other way to show you the track?


Attach it here. GPX or KMZ.

4x4abc - 11-10-2019 at 08:33 PM

yes, gpx or kmz please

PaulW - 11-10-2019 at 10:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Paul, I just have the inReach map off the website. Is there some other way to show you the track?

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Yes, Here are detailed instructions.
Go to your InReach account, select map. On the left pane select message types then select only “track points”. The in the same pane select Date & Time range to find the track in question. Once you have that track displayed go to the upper right and select export then choose either KML or GPX. The one you select will show up in Downloads for you to attach to your message.
Those of us that do this all the time have set our InReach device (Explorer) to give more than default. When choosing track points like every 2 seconds you will get a very large GPX that will be to big for and attachment on Nomads. In that case just choose KML which will fit fine and we all can directly convert the KML to a GPS file like GPX, etc.

How to set up your Explorer InReach device to create more track points than the default:
Go to Settings, then Tracking, then choose Log Interval and then choose an appropriate log interval. For greatest detail choose 2 seconds for greatest detail and a very large GPX file. For starters I suggest using 5 or 10 seconds. And depending on the length of the trip you may get a reasonable size GPX file. When done go to tracking and verify you have chosen your log interval.

And when traveling and making an InReach track with great detailed log interval - be sure you have the device powered because it uses more battery with more detail.

Review for persons new to InReach:
The device like Explorer/+ record track points whenever it is turned on. To transfer the track points to the Garmin server you do a Sync. Once the track points are on the server then all the instructions above become available. Be sure to empty the memory in the device after Sync to get a fresh - zero content memory. If you day multi day trip then all the tracks you make will all be loaded onto the server at once until you get to the Internet for a Sync. And of course your device will fill up pretty fast if you have chosen high detail track log. It is important to turn off the device when not needed to make tracks to save memory on the device for the multi day trip. Once the GPX file is created via the Export feature there are free tools on the web that allow you to break apart these combined tracks to allow individual days. The exercise will also work with the KML file one track at a time as defined by when you power off each track during the multi day trip.


[Edited on 11-11-2019 by PaulW]

bkbend - 11-11-2019 at 09:05 AM

Steve, I was through there southbound in the middle of October and came back at the end of the month. There is (was) a large sign marking where you can turn of to Coco's. The new road is now paved through that area, and the turn is more or less where you crest the rise entering the valley he sits in. He's getting lonely, says only one or two travelers a day stop by now. I was there for about 90 minutes and he didn't stop talking.

The detours in the new construction south of Gonzaga are well marked, really only one detour and if you get off to go to Coco's you'll just follow the old route until you hit pavement again.

There was also new, drivable pavement on reconstruction north of Puertocitos cutting the gravel there in half.

[Edited on 11-11-2019 by bkbend]

David K - 11-11-2019 at 10:45 AM

OK Paul, thanks for the step by step instructions. So, here is the KML file it made for when I last went south (May 13, 2019) with the Trail of Mission Recon team for one hour (9-10 am) Gonzaga Bay to Laguna Chapala areas.

Ooops, well the KML file is well over the Nomad size limit for file uploads.
Is there another way to post a KML file here?

When I try to upload a GPX file, I get an Adobe popup announcing it is unsupported or the file has been damaged.

Here is the map from this morning's work zoomed in on Coco's bypass:


David K - 11-11-2019 at 10:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
yes, gpx or kmz please


When I click the Export on the Garmin page, my options are KML or GPX. How do I create a KMZ file?

StuckSucks - 11-11-2019 at 11:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
When I click the Export on the Garmin page, my options are KML or GPX. How do I create a KMZ file?


If you upload the KML that is fine. The KMZ is just a compressed version. Either work. Same same (both are Keyhole Markup Language). Thanks!

[Edited on 11-11-2019 by StuckSucks]

JZ - 11-11-2019 at 11:48 AM

A really easy way to make it smaller would be to:

Pull it into Google Earth. Trace a path over it. Save and upload that new path.

David K - 11-11-2019 at 12:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
When I click the Export on the Garmin page, my options are KML or GPX. How do I create a KMZ file?


If you upload the KML that is fine. The KMZ is just a compressed version. Either work. Same same (both are Keyhole Markup Language). Thanks!

[Edited on 11-11-2019 by StuckSucks]


If you can share with me the steps on how to convert the KML to a KMZ then I could post that on Nomad. Thank you for the help!

JZ - 11-11-2019 at 12:41 PM

Email me the file at mz2442@gmail.com. I'll post it for you.

KasloKid - 11-11-2019 at 02:12 PM

One can always use gps visualizer to convert files to your requirements. It's an online tool, and the download will be a bunch of strange numbers, but you can change the name of the file to whatever you need. I use this all the time, in fact, if I try to open a file and get a corrupt message, I'll run it through gpsvisualizer and the end result is a useable file.

Link:
https://www.gpsvisualizer.com/

PaulW - 11-11-2019 at 02:37 PM

KML to KMZ
Open the KML in Google earth
Hover your mouse over the track and right click then choose "save place as" and save file in KMZ format.
If the file is still too big try deleting a portion.
Or like was said above copy the GE trackimsom make a path.

PaulW - 11-11-2019 at 02:52 PM

I think you posted a image of part of your track? correct? The area if interest is probably just a small portion of your whole track? What I do with a whole day of a track is load the track either KML or GPX and chop off the track points before and after the track part of interest. Then save it as a KML. The free tool I use is "Trackmaker". Easy to use and has never failed me. Trackmaker is the easiest tool I have found to display on my PC and still allow editing.
For example here is my Agua Caliente portion of a whole day of driving using 2 second track log.


Attachment: Agua Caliente Inreach.gpx (61kB)
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Attachment: Agua Caliente Inreach.kml (31kB)
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Quote: Originally posted by David K  
OK Paul, thanks for the step by step instructions. So, here is the KML file it made for when I last went south (May 13, 2019) with the Trail of Mission Recon team for one hour (9-10 am) Gonzaga Bay to Laguna Chapala areas.

Ooops, well the KML file is well over the Nomad size limit for file uploads.
Is there another way to post a KML file here?

When I try to upload a GPX file, I get an Adobe popup announcing it is unsupported or the file has been damaged.

Here is the map from this morning's work zoomed in on Coco's bypass:
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DK impage removed


[Edited on 11-11-2019 by PaulW]

David K - 11-11-2019 at 03:07 PM

No, Paul, as I mentioned, that is just one hour of the day's track (Gonzaga to Chapala of the San Felipe to Mulegé day).
Thanks for the how-to. When I am back on the PC, I will try. Jim, if I have a problem, I will email you the KML.
Thanks, amigos!

David K - 11-11-2019 at 03:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
KML to KMZ
Open the KML in Google earth
Hover your mouse over the track and right click then choose "save place as" and save file in KMZ format.
If the file is still too big try deleting a portion.
Or like was said above copy the GE trackimsom make a path.


GREAT SUCCESS! Thank you, Paul...

Attachment: Coco Bypass.kmz (2kB)
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David K - 11-11-2019 at 03:53 PM

Quote: Originally posted by KasloKid  
One can always use gps visualizer to convert files to your requirements. It's an online tool, and the download will be a bunch of strange numbers, but you can change the name of the file to whatever you need. I use this all the time, in fact, if I try to open a file and get a corrupt message, I'll run it through gpsvisualizer and the end result is a useable file.

Link:
https://www.gpsvisualizer.com/


What a fun page! I have seen it before but never spent much time on it.
Thank you...

Here is the elevation profile from Gonzaga Bay (near Rancho Grande store) to Hwy. 1 at Laguna Chapala:



Coco Bypass Elevation.jpg - 112kB

PaulW - 11-12-2019 at 08:45 AM

David, What happened here:



DK back trackX.jpg - 245kB

PaulW - 11-12-2019 at 08:57 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
I don't know what you are showing me?

The satellite image used by Google is old, does not show new highway construction.

OK, I see that is north of Las Arrastras... What is the question?

[Edited on 11-12-2019 by David K]

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Zoomed way in when I was looking for side roads.
Just a joggle in the track, Did you backup for some reason?

David K - 11-12-2019 at 09:06 AM

If this was my May 2019 track, I was a passenger in a Raptor driven by Curt LeDuc... along with other Raptors in Cameron's Trail of Missions Recon. I do not recall that we ever stopped along here or backed up. I think we used the dirt detour as crews were active on the new pavement and it was blocked off. In August of 2018 when I drove here, I was on the new paving as it was not blocked off fully.

4x4abc - 11-12-2019 at 10:53 AM

why can't we get a kmz of TW's (accurate) track?

David K - 11-12-2019 at 10:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
why can't we get a kmz of TW's (accurate) track?


TW's???

I posted my KMZ, did you see it?


Attachment: Coco Bypass.kmz (2kB)
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4x4abc - 11-12-2019 at 11:21 AM

I see, Tom only has a SPOT

PaulW - 11-12-2019 at 02:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
I see, Tom only has a SPOT

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If he is using SPOT then he can export a GPX/KML file once he figures out how.
The problem with SPOT export file is you get the default track points with no ability to increase the points per unit time. The result is the low quality track with a lot of straight lines that do not follow the curvy road. Like DK's KMZ

Tom usually carries a Garmin Nuvi, but in the past he only uses it to log waypoints.
John accompanying Tom and John use a real Lowrance so when he posts his files they will be dead on. John is very up to speed on all this stuff.

4x4abc - 11-12-2019 at 03:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by PaulW  
Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
I see, Tom only has a SPOT

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If he is using SPOT then he can export a GPX/KML file once he figures out how.
The problem with SPOT export file is you get the default track points with no ability to increase the points per unit time. The result is the low quality track with a lot of straight lines that do not follow the curvy road. Like DK's KMZ

Tom usually carries a Garmin Nuvi, but in the past he only uses it to log waypoints.
John accompanying Tom and John use a real Lowrance so when he posts his files they will be dead on. John is very up to speed on all this stuff.



so there is hope we'll see a good track

David K - 11-12-2019 at 07:48 PM

TW posted on Facebook this:

Coco was in good spirits at the same location. We didn't stay too long, dropped off a few supplies and some small talk.

David's In Reach track is right on the money

John M - 11-13-2019 at 09:45 AM

We came through there Monday afternoon and followed a route that seems to be exactly as the green track David posted.

I did make a track as we drove this bypass and will post info later today or tomorrow. Easy drive, only 3 or so miles of the old road bed.

Construction was in high gear through the remaining mountain cuts.

John M

David K - 11-13-2019 at 10:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John M  
We came through there Monday afternoon and followed a route that seems to be exactly as the green track David posted.

I did make a track as we drove this bypass and will post info later today or tomorrow. Easy drive, only 3 or so miles of the old road bed.

Construction was in high gear through the remaining mountain cuts.

John M


Thanks John, I will look forward to your Trip Report. I hope to see some kilometer marker notes too...?

bkbend - 11-13-2019 at 11:57 AM

When I drove it last month I don't recall any KM markers along the newest pavement. It really isn't "finished" just paved.

David K - 11-13-2019 at 12:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bkbend  
When I drove it last month I don't recall any KM markers along the newest pavement. It really isn't "finished" just paved.


Thanks...
I am also seeking the markers that were installed south from L.A. Bay. There were none when I logged the road in 2017. I would like to confirm if Km. 0 is where the dirt road begins (by Xitlali Market/ Tire shop corner). Then I could add the equivalent kilometer point to my mile point. However, it would be best to note where they actually put the markers in relation to the points in my log: Camp Gecko, south bay road, Las Flores jailhouse road, Terminal Canyon road, Green Door (old) road, Las Animas Road, Pancho's San Rafael road, south end of Green Door road, Jcn. with old El Arco road, New El Arco road.

Signs on the "New Road"

John M - 11-13-2019 at 04:18 PM

Westbound from Gonzaga, at Km 179 are these signs - turning left here takes you back on the nicely graded "old road" about five miles to Coco's. This is about at Las Arrastras.

image sharing


If you were to take the above turn to Coco's, and wanted to continue west to Chapala then you would need to get back on the "old road" (slow/a little rocky) for several miles before getting back onto the new roadbed.






Coming from the west, you are on a short detour when you see these signs. Straight for Coco's and left to get back onto the new roadbed.

v

John M



[Edited on 11-13-2019 by John M]

David K - 11-13-2019 at 04:38 PM

Good job, John!

Bypass track

PaulW - 11-19-2019 at 10:43 AM

I have deciphered a corrupted track that John made with his GPS
GPS GPX track s attached
Here is an image



Coco+Bypass.jpg - 207kB

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Attachment: PW coco+Bypass1.kml (8kB)
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David K - 11-19-2019 at 11:17 AM

Checking over my notes, if they have a Km. 179 post at the branch to Coco's (the former route south), it might be 3 kms. too many, like the signs near the older detour/ end of pavement were briefly before being changed a few years ago. It was Km. 170 and Gonzaga Pemex was 150. They changed the Pemex marker to 147 and the last one to 167.

In August 2018, the last marker, at Chapala, was Km. 200, which I also estimated to be about 3 kms. too many. Might be a project to check out? The ArcGIS satellite map is newer than Google Earth and the new route can be traced with a measurement track.

The old end of pavement detour was at Km. 167.5 (formerly 170.5).
The old road/ route to Coco's heading south is 8.5 kilometers away. That means the marker by it should be Km. 176. That John notes it is Km. 179 would mean they are back at the 3 kms. too high numbers.

I can also measure that it is 3 kms. from the La Turquesa Canyon road to Coco's branch (old road), which would put it at Km. 176. Provided there is a way to get from the new pavement onto it and no barb wire fence added.

PaulW - 11-19-2019 at 11:36 AM

Pretty easy to log the distance miles or kilometers for the GE file I posted. Of course the placement of the signs would not be coordinated very close.

David K - 11-19-2019 at 01:25 PM

Yes, and I hope if I can't get down there that another Nomad will note the Kilometer marker location as related to roads and points of interest.

bajaric - 11-23-2019 at 11:58 AM

I just returned from driving part of the new paved "Cocos bypass" from north to south. On the BCA it shows a mine called Mala Chilangos. I had hoped that the new paved bypass would intersect the road to this mine but I saw no sign of it. I got as far as

N29°29’31.4” W114°19’57.7”

which is where the picture was taken. It was neat to see this virgin country; no trash, no buildings, no people, nada, just a series of arroyos running across the landscape, some elephant trees and boulders here and there, mostly volcanic rock at the surface. Kind of sad to see a strip of blacktop laid down and the landscape all trashed but that is progress I guess. I would expect they are eventually going to put up a fence all along here so get in there now and have a look around while you can. There are a few places to park off the pavement where they were digging up road base material, left a mess as usual.

To summarize the road conditions from San Felipe south to Puertecitos, they have made a lot of progress. The detours are fewer in number and a lot of new asphalt has been put down where the worst of the potholes used to be, although there are still a few dirt sections and small drop offs where the road was washed out and a couple miles of dirt bypass road. All paved in front of Cow Patty now. From Puertecitos to Gonzaga more progress. There were three long dirt detours where bridges had been washed out. The northern one, just south of Puertecitos and the far southern one, just north of Huerfanito have been repaired to the point where you stay on the pavement, leaving only one major bridge washout in the middle with a steep dirt section that might be a challenge for towing extra long trailers especially north bound. There are quite a few short detours but all in all much better conditions than before, not going to be long before this road is all paved if they continue at this rate; they were laying down asphalt as I drove past.

A couple of miles south of Las Arrastras (by the bridge with the yellow guard rails) there is a road and a hand made sign pointing to Cocos, (to the left if you are going south).

Saw a few prerunners at km 94 on Hwy 5 north of San Felipe on Friday, turns out the race was postponed a day. Light rain in San Felipe, almost nil south of Puertecitos just a mist.



cinco islas nov 2019 010 small.jpg - 139kB



[Edited on 11-23-2019 by bajaric]

David K - 11-23-2019 at 12:48 PM

Any more photos, Ric?
The GPS you give is near the detour to the older road as you near the canyon area, where they are punching through the mountain, into the canyon.
The photo appears to be looking north?
No driving on the blacktop there?

bajaric - 11-23-2019 at 01:15 PM

DK, yes, that is very near where they are punching through the mountain. Picture is looking north. I was just parked on the side of the road, it is drivable both directions and paved all the way to Gonzaga from there. Semis are using it now. Some pretty impressive bridges.

Sorry, no more photos. I always forget to still photos because I am usually shooting videos, then I wish I had taken more still photos. I have some video but to post it here requires putting it on YouTube which is a pain because my super slow computer takes forever to convert files to be YouTube format.

The one disappointment was I wanted to see the arrastra at Las Arrastras, and I could not find it. I checked your past post with a picture of it when I got home and I think I was almost standing on top of it but it was hidden down in the arroyo. I was at at the bridge with the yellow guard rails which is where the new paved road starts the Cocos bypass and splits off from the old dirt highway to Cocos. That is the second darn time I have tried to find that thing and missed it! And it is a 600 mile round trip so not like I can just go back and check again.

[Edited on 11-23-2019 by bajaric]

David K - 11-23-2019 at 01:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  
DK, yes, that is very near where they are punching through the mountain. Picture is looking north. I was just parked on the side of the road, all drivable blacktop both directions, semis are using it now. Some pretty impressive bridges.

Sorry, no more photos. I always forget to still photos because I am usually shooting videos, then I wish I had taken more still photos. I have some video but to post it here requires putting it on YouTube which is a pain because my super slow computer takes forever to convert files to be YouTube format.

The one disappointment was I wanted to see the arrastra at Las Arrastras, and I could not find it. I checked your past post with a picture of it when I got home and I think I was almost standing on top of it but it was hidden down in the arroyo. I was at at the bridge with the yellow guard rails which is where the new paved road starts the Cocos bypass and splits off from the old dirt highway to Cocos. That is the second darn time I have tried to find that thing and missed it! And it is a 600 mile round trip so not like I can just go back and check again.


It would be the first bridge south of where the older road branched off (and now well-signed for Coco's Corner, per Nomad posts). It is very visible from the bridge:





Las Arrastras de Arriola

ZipLine - 11-24-2019 at 06:05 PM

I drove through there last week and no sign of Cocos - and I was looking as I wanted to meet/see the legend.

David K - 11-24-2019 at 06:49 PM

Quote: Originally posted by ZipLine  
I drove through there last week and no sign of Cocos - and I was looking as I wanted to meet/see the legend.


What are you saying?
You were on the old road and Coco's Corner was gone or Coco wasn't home? OR, were you on the new, paved highway and didn't see the signs pointing out where to turn off the highway to go to Coco's Corner?

Maybe the signs to Coco's are down?

John M - 11-25-2019 at 08:05 AM

A week or so before you came through, if you were driving toward Gonzaga Bay from Chapala you should have seen this sign.





Going west from Gongzaga Bay toward Chapala and Highway 1 was this at Km 179



John M

David K - 11-25-2019 at 09:13 AM

When John says "west from Gonzaga" you are southbound on Hwy. 5. The final few miles do curve towards the west where it meets Hwy. 1.

On this map, the pair of dashed lines is the new highway route where it bypasses Coco's Corner (which is on the old route). The map was made last year before the new route was open to all traffic.



honda tom - 11-25-2019 at 09:20 AM

stopped by on Tuesday and Coco is doing well. He said hes not moving up to the new road.... is staying put.

His honda quad is in need of new front tires. they are bald and no longer hold air.

Tire size 25x8x12 tubeless

Coco’s Corner

NE14Baja - 11-25-2019 at 09:10 PM

We stopped by to visit Coco on Nov 13. We were heading south from Gonzaga on the new road and saw the sign clearly marked to Coco’s, quick left turn onto the old road and about four miles in you’re at Coco’s!!!
He looked great, was in good spirits and we had a great time visiting.
His young helper had just returned from putting up a new sign on the south side of the old road indicating the turn off for Coco’s.
It appears his plan for relocating is now scrapped. He said those that were supposed to assist with the move did not show cause they were to busy so he’s decided to stay put.
We’ll continue to visit Coco and support him any way we can.

bajarich - 11-26-2019 at 08:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by bajaric  
DK, yes, that is very near where they are punching through the mountain. Picture is looking north. I was just parked on the side of the road, all drivable blacktop both directions, semis are using it now. Some pretty impressive bridges.

Sorry, no more photos. I always forget to still photos because I am usually shooting videos, then I wish I had taken more still photos. I have some video but to post it here requires putting it on YouTube which is a pain because my super slow computer takes forever to convert files to be YouTube format.

The one disappointment was I wanted to see the arrastra at Las Arrastras, and I could not find it. I checked your past post with a picture of it when I got home and I think I was almost standing on top of it but it was hidden down in the arroyo. I was at at the bridge with the yellow guard rails which is where the new paved road starts the Cocos bypass and splits off from the old dirt highway to Cocos. That is the second darn time I have tried to find that thing and missed it! And it is a 600 mile round trip so not like I can just go back and check again.


It would be the first bridge south of where the older road branched off (and now well-signed for Coco's Corner, per Nomad posts). It is very visible from the bridge:





Las Arrastras de Arriola


What was it used for? All I could find is the verb Arrastrar.

David K - 11-26-2019 at 10:55 PM

Grinding ore to extract gold. I think a mule was used to turn the mill (arrastra). Near Tinaja de Yubay is a small, hand arrastra.

David K - 11-27-2019 at 10:38 AM

I wrote an article on Las Arrastras a few years ago... At the time I wasn't sure of how the new highway would cross over the site...
https://www.bajabound.com/bajaadventures/bajatravel/las_arra...

ed26 - 11-28-2019 at 11:27 AM

Quick update. Just got back. Clocked unpaved road from Gonzaga to Chapala now down to 2.5 miles. Made Pemex at Gonzaga to Pemex at Guerrero in just about 2 hours. Not airing down and back up saves a ton of time :)

Progress being made from San Felipe through Puertocitos as well. At the pace you'd expect, but there was even some progress in the 1 week turn around from us going down and back. The bigger bridge is drivable, (but still getting worked on), and the other turn outs are down to only a half dozen or so. Should be all done just in time for a good washout next year!