New Tesla Pickup Truck

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Honda Ridgeline tried that style... failed. Looks almost like a Pontiac Aztek, deemed to be one of the worst looking vehicles ever made... Good luck Elon! No place to plug it in once I get to Shell Island, so I don't think it will work out. Not a bad place to be marooned with dead batteries, however!

Breaking news, the shatter resitant windows shatter!

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver

Quote: Originally posted by David K   Honda Ridgeline tried that style... failed. Looks almost like a Pontiac Aztek, deemed to be one of the worst looking vehicles ever made... Good luck Elon! No place to plug it in once I get to Shell Island, so I don't think it will work out. Not a bad place to be marooned with dead batteries, however! 😂😂I kind of thought that pos wouldn’t get your endorsement DK! However, I wouldn’t be surprised if Goat hasn’t already got one on order.

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner

Pundits are calling it the "E-Edsel" probably not a compliment

Old people and conservatives are perturbed by change, they grumble about new things. Ignore stick in the mud pundits, they drive dodges

Double dittos!!

Quote: Originally posted by Marc

I test drove a Tesla and was impressed with it's performance. I've driven Porsches most of my life and, and still do, but the Tesla just goes like nothing I have ever experienced. Now if I could get between San Francisco & Palm Springs on one charge???

How about this?

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

The Tesla is referred to as a pickup, and they talk about it's towing ability, but can it carry a load in the bed? I have not found a picture or film clip of a loaded Cybertruck!

They need all of the room for batteries and extension cords.
Like about 200 miles worth of cord

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Why can't these electric cars charge themselves, at least a little, since four tires are rotating and could be turned into generators?

most remarkable visionary of our times......lets see Elon team up with Robby Gordon and see what they come up with!

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

Reuters) - Tesla Inc <TSLA.O> Chief Executive Elon Musk said on Saturday that there have been about 150,000 orders thus far for the electric carmaker's Cybertruck, which was unveiled late on Thursday. "146k Cybertruck orders so far, with 42% choosing dual, 41% tri & 17% single motor", Musk said in a tweet, adding separately that the orders were achieved without any advertising or paid endorsements.

Impressive pre-order quantities.

I don’t think anyone pre-orders a Dodge or Toyota

A dual- or tri-motor electric is way cooler than a mono-motor noisy diesel.

Stealth fighter?

Quote: Originally posted by 55steve

Elon is having a joke and many have fallen for it...the real truck will make its way into our view reasonably soon.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I think a 2-door Gladiator would do very well, perhaps with a shorter wheelbase and less rear overhang (for better off roading).

1/3 of JK sales were 2 door models
2/3 of JK sales were 4 door models

I wouldn't have bought a Gladiator if it was only available as a 2 door, 93 inch wheelbase Jeep. Leidys wanted me to buy a 4 door Unlimited Rubicon, but I was looking at the 4 door Tundra, the Ford F250 and the 2500 Ram Power Wagon for more real estate (interior/exterior space).

Rear overhang isn't really an issue if you remove the towing hitch and the spare tire carrier/spare tire - carried in the bed or mounted to the rear bumper (or hitch-mount). With enough lift and tire, you have the load capacity and the clearance of a real Jeep. People want more, not less David K. If this were not the case, your Tacoma would have been a 2 door and not the 4 door that you enjoy to this day. Come to think of it, I haven't seen many 2 door Tacomas here in North America or HiLux's in South America.

My build will resemble this rendering with a ~36"x11.5r17 spare mounted underneath in the stock location, preserving my bed space, as that can fill up quickly for long trips.



Current (stock) breakover and departure angle are pitiful.

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Rocker clearance isn't the best situation on the easiest of trails



These same issues will plague a long wheelbase, small tire pickup like the Tesla. A proper suspension lift allowing more generous tire sizes will be an absolute necessity if actual backcountry use will be a reality for the Tesla pickup.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I am all for 4-door trucks, as I have had two now... You miss my reasoning... It was to ADD (in addition to the 4-door) a TWO DOOR, shorter length pickup to the Gladiator family. Toyota and Ford both have 2-door and 4-door trucks, why not Jeep?

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by David K   I am all for 4-door trucks, as I have had two now... You miss my reasoning... It was to ADD (in addition to the 4-door) a TWO DOOR, shorter length pickup to the Gladiator family. Toyota and Ford both have 2-door and 4-door trucks, why not Jeep? I am sure some holdouts would by a 2 door model as many are waiting on the Diesel Gladiator's release next fall. The new Bronco looks to be a 2 door model with the advantage of much better approach/departure and breakover angles. Why not Jeep? Perhaps midcycle a short wheelbase Gladiator could appear just as the Unlimited Wrangler appeared in 2004 as a midcycle TJ Wrangler model, surprising the off road world.

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

This thread is about Tesla. Why you polluting the thread talking about K Cars?

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   This thread is about Tesla. Why you polluting the thread talking about K Cars? Sorry, but more R & D needs to go into real backcountry use before it hits the market. I'm all for advanced, non-IC off-roading, but the buying public will have to see it's off-road chops before considering it for far off environs like Shell Island, Gonzaga Bay without significant electrical grid support.

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   This thread is about Tesla. Why you polluting the thread talking about K Cars? Sorry, but more R & D needs to go into real backcountry use before it hits the market. I'm all for advanced, non-IC off-roading, but the buying public will have to see it's off-road chops before considering it for far off environs like Shell Island, Gonzaga Bay without significant electrical grid support. Why more r and d? Everybody knows batteries have limits. Just plan your trips.

Quote: Originally posted by Glidergeek

I wonder if there is an option to make it look like a real truck?

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   This thread is about Tesla. Why you polluting the thread talking about K Cars? Sorry, but more R & D needs to go into real backcountry use before it hits the market. I'm all for advanced, non-IC off-roading, but the buying public will have to see it's off-road chops before considering it for far off environs like Shell Island, Gonzaga Bay without significant electrical grid support. Why more r and d? Everybody knows batteries have limits. Just plan your trips. Suspension lift, larger tires than those donuts to provide actual clearance will be necessary for actual, needed utility. The stance resembles on of the many car-based SUVs crowding the current market. Do your research and you will see what I am talking about.

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

Rivian 14 inches of ground clearance, individual motors on each wheel, thrust vectoring. I'm betting completely stock it's going to embarrass a bunch of lifted and aftermarket blinged out Toyotas, and f-150s. do your research, and you will see what i'm talking about!

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Rivian 14 inches of ground clearance, individual motors on each wheel, thrust vectoring. I'm betting completely stock it's going to embarrass a bunch of lifted and aftermarket blinged out Toyotas, and f-150s. do your research, and you will see what i'm talking about! 14 inches (in off-road mode) - 136" wheelbase and it looks like a Ford Flex. I'm hardly impressed with its paper credentials. When fording water, the water crossing is not necessarily flat beneath the water surface. Never mind, this vehicle isn't intended for the off-road crowd.

Destined for dry, fire roads & improved beach campos

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Rivian R1T Wheelbase = 135.8" Track = 67.3" Breakover angle = 25 deg. Length = 217.1" Width = 78" source: https://rivian.com/r1t/ Wrangler JLUnlimited Length = 184.2" Width = 73.7" Wheelbase = 118.4" The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The proof is right there in the numbers. [Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke]

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver

The more I look at the Tesla Pickup the more it reminds me of the lines on the home made plywood campers you see on beater pickups. After seeing the attractive styling of their cars it is hard to believe they would come up with a design like that. Maybe need to hire a few Italian designers.

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Rivian R1T Wheelbase = 135.8" Track = 67.3" Breakover angle = 25 deg. Length = 217.1" Width = 78" source: https://rivian.com/r1t/ Wrangler JLUnlimited Length = 184.2" Width = 73.7" Wheelbase = 118.4" The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The proof is right there in the numbers. [Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke]

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Rivian R1T Wheelbase = 135.8" Track = 67.3" Breakover angle = 25 deg. Length = 217.1" Width = 78" source: https://rivian.com/r1t/ Wrangler JLUnlimited Length = 184.2" Width = 73.7" Wheelbase = 118.4" The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The proof is right there in the numbers. [Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks. Lets compare apples to apples OK? Jeep Gladiator length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer! Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes! wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right? towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken) You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK? As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! " right Ken?

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Rivian R1T Wheelbase = 135.8" Track = 67.3" Breakover angle = 25 deg. Length = 217.1" Width = 78" source: https://rivian.com/r1t/ Wrangler JLUnlimited Length = 184.2" Width = 73.7" Wheelbase = 118.4" The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The proof is right there in the numbers. [Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks. Lets compare apples to apples OK? Jeep Gladiator length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer! Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes! wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right? towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken) You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK? As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! " right Ken? Jeep gladiator is like miata, not made for tall people, made for short people market - No leg room, Chicks car. And gladiator is not a pickup. Is a mid-size suv missing roof and hatchback from cargo area.

My 6'4" friend wanted to sit in the driver's seat, and he couldn't believe the leg room vs. the TJ he recently sold. The Tacoma is much more cramped with the angled windshield not far from your face.

As for being a, "Chicks car" my wife wanted me to purchase a 4 door Unlimited Rubicon. I wanted a 2500 Ram Power Wagon. The Gladiator is a combination of the two - essentially as an Unlimited Rubicon to the back seats and a Ram 1500 from the 5' box to the bumper.

I have nothing against the Rivian - if I needed a more urban commuter, I would choose a Rivian (minus the $70,000.00 price tag). The Gladiator has better lines, the roof comes off, the doors can also be removed. It doesn't resemble the hideous Ford Flex. Although it has gobs of torque on-tap, the torque isn't converted via a useable underdrive system for actual use below speeds of 15 mph like the Rubicon. The front swaybar cannot be disconnected electronically. There probably isn't 4:1 transfer case gear reduction. The differentials don't lock, nor would the aftermarket likely develop the modifications to for it do so.

I'll stick with the "Chick's car!"

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Rivian R1T Wheelbase = 135.8" Track = 67.3" Breakover angle = 25 deg. Length = 217.1" Width = 78" source: https://rivian.com/r1t/ Wrangler JLUnlimited Length = 184.2" Width = 73.7" Wheelbase = 118.4" The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The proof is right there in the numbers. [Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks. Lets compare apples to apples OK? Jeep Gladiator length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer! Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes! wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right? towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken) You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK? As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! " right Ken?

With easily sourced modifications that the user can install himself/herself, the Gladiator beats the Rivian hands-down. Here are a few examples of what can be accomplished to change that Gladiator breakover angle, approach and departure angles.

My Gladiator will be running 38's and a 4.5" Off Road Evolution suspension lift. Here is the Skyjacker suspension - it runs 1" to 1.5" lower in the front than does the EVO suspension.





Powering that Dometic or ARB fridge might become an issue. Don't forget that..



Off Road Cam come standard with the Rivian??



Off-road app pages included? Probably not..



I love my Gladiator so much, my friend Mike even bought a Gladiator Rubicon! Love that open air drive!

LOVE ?

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   This thread is about Tesla. Why you polluting the thread talking about K Cars? Weren't you talking about your 4cyl F150's duty cycle a few posts back? The Tesla doesn't look practical for Baja. Sorry, but more R & D needs to go into real backcountry use before it hits the market. I'm all for advanced, non-IC off-roading, but the buying public will have to see it's off-road chops before considering it for far off environs like Shell Island, Gonzaga Bay without significant electrical grid support. [Edited on 11-25-2019 by Ken Cooke]

Ken the old baja blow hard Mt just talks the dummy does not even own a truck . He has a f150 mall go machine.: bounce:

Quote: Originally posted by StuckSucks

There are currently Tesla chargers down the peninsula, many are 18kWh: - Tijuana and Ensenada - Marina San Felipe Resort - Mision Santa Maria - Mision Cataviña - Hotel Terrasal Guerrero Negro - Hotel La Huerta San Ignacio - Hotel Cuesta Real Mulege - Hotel Plaza Loreto - Villa del Palmar at The Islands of Loreto - Hotel Doce Ballenas Ciudad Insurgentes useless in baja - María de Nadie Hotel Boutique Cd Constitución - La Paz - Los Cabos

Imagine a gradual transition to "electric" in transportation where practical.

Saw where in India they are marketing electric cars for $4,000,00 USD or 285,496 Rupe's, not much on size or range but a viable means to reduce the terrible air pollution they have in small steps.

Guess that's why I'm a bit slow on seeing the benifits of having a few billion people here in the Continental United States of America.

Sure they'll fit ... but, appears there may a few downsides IMO

I'll never see it ... but, just saying



[Edited on 11-27-2019 by wessongroup]

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Rivian R1T Wheelbase = 135.8" Track = 67.3" Breakover angle = 25 deg. Length = 217.1" Width = 78" source: https://rivian.com/r1t/ Wrangler JLUnlimited Length = 184.2" Width = 73.7" Wheelbase = 118.4" The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The proof is right there in the numbers. [Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks. Lets compare apples to apples OK? Jeep Gladiator length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer! Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes! wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right? towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken) You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK? As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! " right Ken? Jeep gladiator is like miata, not made for tall people, made for short people market - No leg room, Chicks car. And gladiator is not a pickup. Is a mid-size suv missing roof and hatchback from cargo area. My 6'4" friend wanted to sit in the driver's seat, and he couldn't believe the leg room vs. the TJ he recently sold. The Tacoma is much more cramped with the angled windshield not far from your face. As for being a, "Chicks car" my wife wanted me to purchase a 4 door Unlimited Rubicon. I wanted a 2500 Ram Power Wagon. The Gladiator is a combination of the two - essentially as an Unlimited Rubicon to the back seats and a Ram 1500 from the 5' box to the bumper. I have nothing against the Rivian - if I needed a more urban commuter, I would choose a Rivian (minus the $70,000.00 price tag). The Gladiator has better lines, the roof comes off, the doors can also be removed. It doesn't resemble the hideous Ford Flex. Although it has gobs of torque on-tap, the torque isn't converted via a useable underdrive system for actual use below speeds of 15 mph like the Rubicon. The front swaybar cannot be disconnected electronically. There probably isn't 4:1 transfer case gear reduction. The differentials don't lock, nor would the aftermarket likely develop the modifications to for it do so. I'll stick with the "Chick's car!"

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Rivian R1T Wheelbase = 135.8" Track = 67.3" Breakover angle = 25 deg. Length = 217.1" Width = 78" source: https://rivian.com/r1t/ Wrangler JLUnlimited Length = 184.2" Width = 73.7" Wheelbase = 118.4" The Rivian just doesn't have the optimal wheelbase that it will need considering the small tires and lack of mid-section (breakover) clearance. The proof is right there in the numbers. [Edited on 11-26-2019 by Ken Cooke] see Ken, thats where I got confused, I thought we were looking at pick-up trucks. Lets compare apples to apples OK? Jeep Gladiator length - 218 inches - yup a whopping 0.9 inches longer! Width 73.8 a few inches thinner - less room less stable - but you can fit it through tight squeezes! wheelbase. 137 - 1.5 inches longer Breakover Angle 18.4deg. so that's significantly better than the 25 deg. that the Rivian has - right? towing capacity - (you probably don't want to go there Ken) You don't have to like the rivian - not for everyone - and you can be A jeep enthusiast all you want - but lets be honest in the comparison - OK? As a great man once said " the proof is right there in the numbers! " right Ken? Jeep gladiator is like miata, not made for tall people, made for short people market - No leg room, Chicks car. And gladiator is not a pickup. Is a mid-size suv missing roof and hatchback from cargo area. My 6'4" friend wanted to sit in the driver's seat, and he couldn't believe the leg room vs. the TJ he recently sold. The Tacoma is much more cramped with the angled windshield not far from your face. As for being a, "Chicks car" my wife wanted me to purchase a 4 door Unlimited Rubicon. I wanted a 2500 Ram Power Wagon. The Gladiator is a combination of the two - essentially as an Unlimited Rubicon to the back seats and a Ram 1500 from the 5' box to the bumper. I have nothing against the Rivian - if I needed a more urban commuter, I would choose a Rivian (minus the $70,000.00 price tag). The Gladiator has better lines, the roof comes off, the doors can also be removed. It doesn't resemble the hideous Ford Flex. Although it has gobs of torque on-tap, the torque isn't converted via a useable underdrive system for actual use below speeds of 15 mph like the Rubicon. The front swaybar cannot be disconnected electronically. There probably isn't 4:1 transfer case gear reduction. The differentials don't lock, nor would the aftermarket likely develop the modifications to for it do so. I'll stick with the "Chick's car!" Ken, before you continue to embarrass yourself here, perhaps you ought to do a bit more research into permanent REAL 4 wheel drive, electric motors, torque, individual motors at each wheel, individually monitored and computer-controlled - you know, kind of like a science fiction freaks wet dream to replace the old locking differential setups. and maybe check out the standard equipment offered in the Rivian with regards to cameras, nav systems etc. while you are at it, maybe figure out what level 3 autonomous driving is. Once again, I thought we were comparing stock trucks - but you seem to want to add on all sorts of stuff to the Gladiator -- then compare it to a stock Rivian - be my guest, no one id forcing you in to buying whatever truck you want or do not want - as long as you are happy with your purchase, its all good. I just want to make sure you are not spouting false , incomplete information based on your personal biases!

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Although it has gobs of torque on-tap, the torque isn't converted via a useable underdrive system for actual use below speeds of 15 mph like the Rubicon. ... There probably isn't 4:1 transfer case gear reduction. The differentials don't lock, Does any of that even MATTER if you have independent electric motors on each wheel? Seems like all those details are simple patches to address the limitations of traditional internal combustion (RPM-Dependent) engines and drive trains (a single source of drive routed to four separate wheels).

When driving on icy roads, you would not want both wheels turning at the exact same rate going around a corner..or guess what? You SPIN out.

If the off-road mode is not programmed accordingly, and you are attempting to traverse a tricky section and one wheel goes into the air..guess what? You SPIN tires.

This has everything to do with traction and useable torque and nothing to do with traditional IC engines.

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Although it has gobs of torque on-tap, the torque isn't converted via a useable underdrive system for actual use below speeds of 15 mph like the Rubicon. ... There probably isn't 4:1 transfer case gear reduction. The differentials don't lock, Does any of that even MATTER if you have independent electric motors on each wheel? Seems like all those details are simple patches to address the limitations of traditional internal combustion (RPM-Dependent) engines and drive trains (a single source of drive routed to four separate wheels). When driving on icy roads, you would not want both wheels turning at the exact same rate going around a corner..or guess what? You SPIN out. If the off-road mode is not programmed accordingly, and you are attempting to traverse a tricky section and one wheel goes into the air..guess what? You SPIN tires. This has everything to do with traction and useable torque and nothing to do with traditional IC engines.

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Although it has gobs of torque on-tap, the torque isn't converted via a useable underdrive system for actual use below speeds of 15 mph like the Rubicon. ... There probably isn't 4:1 transfer case gear reduction. The differentials don't lock, Does any of that even MATTER if you have independent electric motors on each wheel? Seems like all those details are simple patches to address the limitations of traditional internal combustion (RPM-Dependent) engines and drive trains (a single source of drive routed to four separate wheels). When driving on icy roads, you would not want both wheels turning at the exact same rate going around a corner..or guess what? You SPIN out. If the off-road mode is not programmed accordingly, and you are attempting to traverse a tricky section and one wheel goes into the air..guess what? You SPIN tires. This has everything to do with traction and useable torque and nothing to do with traditional IC engines.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Tire spin control is known as "traction control" and most vehicles now have it for both control while driving at speed to prevent spin-outs when hitting icy patches or surface changes and to help move from a stop when one drive tire spins from being over loose surfaces. Power is transferred to the traction tire(s). It is an electronic limited-slip that uses the braking system and spin detectors on each wheel.

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

Ken, you are really embarrassing yourself with your demonstrated lack of knowledge and understanding. The Rivian set up - it is exactly opposite of what you described. The individual motors fix all of the inherant limitations of a single engine power distribution system, without couplings, linkages, gear boxes, all sorts of complicated breakable stuff. (and we haven't even talked about that ungodly pumpkin hanging down exposed under your jeep!

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Ken, Do you really think that e-vehicles donor have traction control similar to smelly cars like jeeps? e-vehicles have all that and more. E-vehicles like Tesla got autopilot that makes your cruise control look like a dinosaur. You may be proud of your heap having traction control, but the question you should be asking is Why doesn’t your heap have autopilot?

The 2.0l Wrangler is a mild-hybrid. I wanted to purchase this rocket ship of a motor for my Gladiator, but it is not available, so I bought the 3.6l Pentastar, instead. The 3.6l (as well as the 2.0l) has an auto start-stop feature to burn less gasoline, saving approximately 1/2 gallon per hour of use.

While I would enjoy autopilot, I am unsure if I would initially trust it as larger tires contribute to a number of variables the OEMs might not program into their autopilot systems. I have cruise control on both Jeeps, but I prefer not to use it.

Here's to my "stupid dinosaur"

Quote: Originally posted by David K

caj, I have no desire to own a Rivian. I never even heard that name before this thread. If it was so great, why is it such a secret to us in the masses? Don't need to answer if it takes more than six words.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

caj, I have no desire to own a Rivian. I never even heard that name before this thread. If it was so great, why is it such a secret to us in the masses? Don't need to answer if it takes more than six words.

caj13: Can I educate you on how to edit and delete a duplicate post?

Happy Thanksgiving!

Quote: Originally posted by David K

caj13: Can I educate you on how to edit and delete a duplicate post? Happy Thanksgiving!

KA-POW!

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by caj13   Ken, you are really embarrassing yourself with your demonstrated lack of knowledge and understanding. The Rivian set up - it is exactly opposite of what you described. The individual motors fix all of the inherant limitations of a single engine power distribution system, without couplings, linkages, gear boxes, all sorts of complicated breakable stuff. (and we haven't even talked about that ungodly pumpkin hanging down exposed under your jeep! If this is the case, wouldn't Rivian care to provide this information on the website? Do you have an actual link to verify this? Some sort of source providing the information that I am "embarrassing myself" in not knowing?

Quote: Originally posted by David K

caj13: Can I educate you on how to edit and delete a duplicate post? Happy Thanksgiving!

Quote: Originally posted by chuckie

Aint this about TESLA's???

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Just saw the new test cracker jack truck v f450. Cracker jack truck wins. Nowhere in test does it say if f450 is 4x4. So clueless test

Sounds like the test proved that f450 could not win against a much lighter duty, smaller Tesla pickup.
Me thinks you are griping because you are a conservative who suddenly realizes that change is happening, and your elderly mindset is fearful of change, so your first reaction is anger. Take a deep breath, and let a young person or an agile elder show you how to operate the new features on newer cars,.... they are designed so even old people like you can learn to use them

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider   Just saw the new test cracker jack truck v f450. Cracker jack truck wins. Nowhere in test does it say if f450 is 4x4. So clueless test Sounds like the test proved that f450 could not win against a much lighter duty, smaller Tesla pickup. Me thinks you are griping because you are a conservative who suddenly realizes that change is happening, and your elderly mindset is fearful of change, so your first reaction is anger. Take a deep breath, and let a young person or an agile elder show you how to operate the new features on newer cars,.... they are designed so even old people like you can learn to use them

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider   Just saw the new test cracker jack truck v f450. Cracker jack truck wins. Nowhere in test does it say if f450 is 4x4. So clueless test Sounds like the test proved that f450 could not win against a much lighter duty, smaller Tesla pickup. Me thinks you are griping because you are a conservative who suddenly realizes that change is happening, and your elderly mindset is fearful of change, so your first reaction is anger. Take a deep breath, and let a young person or an agile elder show you how to operate the new features on newer cars,.... they are designed so even old people like you can learn to use them As Norm your not a car truck guy zero. My point only again in English. Cracker jack TRUCK V F450. NOT ONE PLACE DOES IT STATE F450 4x4.SO IF YOU THINK THIS WAS A TEST THEN YOUR A FOOL

Point is on cracker box truck 70 grand million things to brake down witch no one can fix in baja. Again this is Baja Nomad think in means Mexico . So cracker box truck again useless. Perfect living in San Diego to go to the mall recharging station.

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Point is on cracker box truck 70 grand million things to brake down witch no one can fix in baja. Again this is Baja Nomad think in means Mexico . So cracker box truck again useless. Perfect living in San Diego to go to the mall recharging station.

Not all of baja has incompetent mechanics like in your town. Baja has plenty of smart mechanics that can learn to work on Tesla’s as they roll out in Mexico market. By the time Tesla cybertruck rolls out, there will superchargers in baja and luddites like you will still be tilting at windmills

Here is an article for you:
https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/estados/alcalde-en-slp-compra...

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Point is on cracker box truck 70 grand million things to brake down witch no one can fix in baja. Again this is Baja Nomad think in means Mexico . So cracker box truck again useless. Perfect living in San Diego to go to the mall recharging station.

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider   Point is on cracker box truck 70 grand million things to brake down witch no one can fix in baja. Again this is Baja Nomad think in means Mexico . So cracker box truck again useless. Perfect living in San Diego to go to the mall recharging station. turns out the drive trains are far more reliable and less prone to mechanical breakdown that IC engine vehicles. imagine that , many fewer moving pieces, simpler, ability to monitor health of the system remotely - and predict problems. wow - welcome to the 21st century -