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Latest on safety and road conditions San Diego to Cabo

gkuck - 12-10-2019 at 06:14 PM

My family and I are will be driving down to Cabo on 12/21 with a few overnight stops planned in Gerrero Negro, Loreto, and La Paz. Would sincerely appreciate any update on safety and road conditions from folks that have experience in traveling that route.

Paco Facullo - 12-10-2019 at 06:59 PM

Hey now gkuck,

First off, Welcome to the Nomads....

I read most of whats going on here and I myself will be making a trip South soon.
Road conditions are good in regards to pot-holes. Hwy 1 is narrow as always so it's dangerous depending on what and how you drive.

As for Banditos (if that is what you are referring to as dangerous) not to worry.. Although the boarder town have some but you are simply passing through so no worries....

JZ - 12-10-2019 at 07:27 PM

Have driven down with my three kids (now teenagers) about 30 times over the last 10 years.

Don't drive at night, be careful on your driving.

Over time, when you spend more time in places like Loreto and La Paz, and a dozen other small towns, you'll choose to avoid Cabo. Cabo is a big tourist trap, not the real Baja.

Watch this video I made with the kids a couple years ago to see what is out there for you: https://youtu.be/4VNTIhRa6q0






[Edited on 12-11-2019 by JZ]

BajaParrothead - 12-10-2019 at 10:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

Over time, when you spend more time in places like Loreto and La Paz, and a dozen other small towns, you'll choose to avoid Cabo. Cabo is a big tourist trap, not the real Baja.
[Edited on 12-11-2019 by JZ]

To me, Cabo is a Mexican version of Vegas. Not my cup of tea!

gkuck - 12-10-2019 at 10:12 PM

Thank you, Paco and JZ!

gkuck - 12-10-2019 at 10:13 PM

We will actually be equally spacing our trip between Loreto, La Paz, and Cabo... Excited to get in some diving :-)

4x4abc - 12-11-2019 at 12:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


Watch this video I made with the kids a couple years ago to see what is out there for you: https://youtu.be/4VNTIhRa6q0




still one of the Baja videos!

billklaser - 12-11-2019 at 09:08 AM

guck, Alan posted a good guideline to follow. Other than these items, my best advice is to take this road serious. It is basically a dangerous road and therefore it is necessary to be a very alert driver at all times. If you start to get tired, pull off and rest a while.

I am leaving for Loreto around the 21st to spend the Holidays. We like to cross the border around 5:30 am at San Ysidro. There is less traffic at that hour and crossing is quick. In the past 30 years I have made well over 200 round trips from San Diego to Loreto. The road conditions are better than they have been for a long time.

So have a good trip and enjoy Baja. Stay vigilant as a driver!

Alan - 12-11-2019 at 09:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
A VERY Nice letter Alan,
but it does need updating, so for fun here is what could get edited:
AAA maps have not been made since 2010,
Tourist cards are not visas and now required anywhere in Mexico, no longer just south of Maneadero,
it is the 28° parallel (not 38°). Maybe mention that the time zone changes there, too? They also stopped checking the tourist cards there. Vizcaino and Tres Virgenes are the only needed spelling fixes I spotted, so good job!
I am very well aware that a lot of the info is very outdated. As I tried to explain these are just musings from driving the road for nearly 50 yrs. I offered it only as a very general guideline for someone who has never driven down there. I knew that I could count on my Nomad brethren to be more than willing to provide all necessary updates for gkuck, as demonstrated so eloquently by our newest newbie MattL. :lol: 38th parallel??? I must have had Korea on my mind when I first wrote this. I have no idea what they check nowadays at the GN Ag stop. At one time they asked for my FMM and my Aduana declaration paperwork. Since then GN has always my first night's stop so the little office has always been closed by the time I get there.

Howard - 12-11-2019 at 11:47 AM

Don't forget about Stockton, California, sharing the 38th parallel with Korea! Maybe that's what you had on your mind! :biggrin:

Alan - 12-11-2019 at 12:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Howard  
Don't forget about Stockton, California, sharing the 38th parallel with Korea! Maybe that's what you had on your mind! :biggrin:
That was obviously it due to it's similarity to GN!:lol:

JZ - 12-11-2019 at 12:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  


still one of the Baja videos!


Thanks. I've been working on another one. Will have to publish it soon.

wilderone - 12-13-2019 at 08:36 AM

So Tijuana to Guerrero Negro for the first day? That's a long day given the first 200 miles goes through a lot of small towns that will slow you down, and sunset is 5:15 pm. Not saying it can't be done (and there are plenty who will chime in and say they do it all the time), but kind of a grueling long day in the car. I'd suggest an overnight before GN. If you take your time getting to El Rosario for the night - stop at Ensenada for smoked fish, drive past La Bufadora, stop at the outdoor fruit market, buy olives at the stands, check out San Vicente mission - could be a more enjoyable day. Then, refreshed, be better prepared for a long day on day 2 (much more relaxed, fewer small towns) - maybe to San Ignacio. Baja is better outside the car.

David K - 12-13-2019 at 09:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
So Tijuana to Guerrero Negro for the first day? That's a long day given the first 200 miles goes through a lot of small towns that will slow you down, and sunset is 5:15 pm. Not saying it can't be done (and there are plenty who will chime in and say they do it all the time), but kind of a grueling long day in the car. I'd suggest an overnight before GN. If you take your time getting to El Rosario for the night - stop at Ensenada for smoked fish, drive past La Bufadora, stop at the outdoor fruit market, buy olives at the stands, check out San Vicente mission - could be a more enjoyable day. Then, refreshed, be better prepared for a long day on day 2 (much more relaxed, fewer small towns) - maybe to San Ignacio. Baja is better outside the car.


I couldn't agree more with wilderone on this!
If you would like to see photos of some of the sites you could visit that she mentioned, I would be happy to post them here. Baja is a magical place so do let is seep into you veins!

gkuck - 12-13-2019 at 09:52 AM

Thank you all, very much! Great, great information. Will let you know how it goes :-)

gkuck - 12-13-2019 at 10:00 AM

Oh, but just to give you an overview of what we decided..

Day 1 - San Diego to Vicente Guerrero
Day 2 - Vicente Guerrero to Guerrero Negro
Day 3 - Guerrero Negro to Loreto
Day 4 - Loreto (Whale Watching)
Day 5 - Loreto (Scuba Diving)
Day 6 - Loreto to La Paz
Day 7 - La Paz (Whale Shard Snorkeling)
Day 8 - La Paz
Day 9 - La Paz to Cabo (Lunch at Hotel California)
Day 10 - Cabo (Dolphin Swim & Ride)
Day 11 - Cabo (Bucanner Queen for our youngest)
Day 12 - Cabo (Off-Road Adventure to Cabo Tours)
Day 13 - Cabo to Loreto
Day 14 - Loreto to Guerrero Negro
Day 15 - Guerrero Negro to Vicente Guerrero
Day 16 - Vicente Guerrero to Home

Will share reviews of the various outfitters we used upon our return.

Thanks again!

Alm - 12-13-2019 at 11:16 AM

From the wording the OP used in post #1 it sounds very much like they haven't driven this road before. It's difficult to give a concise answer on "road conditions" when the road is thousand miles long and conditions vary from poor to excellent, depending on the area. Some photos would help understanding what kind of road it is. I'm not a good photographer unfortunately, and never gave this a second thought - just slowed down when circumstances mandated it. Sometimes I didn't, and narrowly escaped a serious accident.

And it would be yet more difficult to talk about "safety" when traveling experience in Baja in particular, and in Mexico in general is unclear. Except the advice to avoid night driving - which has more to do with road conditions - cows, potholes, speed bumps - than with human element. Just my 2 cents.

Alm - 12-13-2019 at 11:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by billklaser  
...my best advice is to take this road serious.

It it wasn't for their whale-watching plans in Loreto, I would take this one step further and avoided the road altogether. It's a long drive. Commercial flight from SAN to SJD will take only 2 hours and will cost $140 per person.

IMO, whale-watching hub is Guerrero Negro, not Loreto.

mtgoat666 - 12-13-2019 at 11:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gkuck  
Oh, but just to give you an overview of what we decided..

Day 1 - San Diego to Vicente Guerrero
Day 2 - Vicente Guerrero to Guerrero Negro
Day 3 - Guerrero Negro to Loreto
Day 4 - Loreto (Whale Watching)
Day 5 - Loreto (Scuba Diving)
Day 6 - Loreto to La Paz
Day 7 - La Paz (Whale Shard Snorkeling)
Day 8 - La Paz
Day 9 - La Paz to Cabo (Lunch at Hotel California)
Day 10 - Cabo (Dolphin Swim & Ride)
Day 11 - Cabo (Bucanner Queen for our youngest)
Day 12 - Cabo (Off-Road Adventure to Cabo Tours)
Day 13 - Cabo to Loreto
Day 14 - Loreto to Guerrero Negro
Day 15 - Guerrero Negro to Vicente Guerrero
Day 16 - Vicente Guerrero to Home

Will share reviews of the various outfitters we used upon our return.

Thanks again!


a few suggestions:

dont bother stopping overnight vicente guerrero (especially, do not stay here twice). do one overnight at catavina, and another at el rosario.

re 2 stays at guerrero negro,... staying at san ignacio (pretty old town) would be better than staying at guerrero negro (ugly town). going south, you will be too early for whale watching at GN, coming back north you would have better whale watching chances at GN.

swimming with captive dolphins is participating in a barbaric activity that should be banned. it is morally wrong to use captive dolphins as water park toys -- do not participate in this atrocity by participating or paying money to such places. instead, go whale watching at GN at tail end of your trip (you may be too early for whale watching at SI or mag bay)

hotel california is a tourist trap. in that general area, better place to lunch is the cafe in el triunfo, best pizza and bread in BCS, then go see the piano and mining museums. todo santos is a just tourist trap and collection of bloated mcmansions for orange county and los angeles gringos. todo santos is OK to spend an hour walking around, if you like over priced kitsch and galleries for gringos

you should spend more time in places like la paz, san ignacio, el triunfo, santa rosalia, loreto. cabo is ok to see once (been there, done that), and never return to it.

[Edited on 12-13-2019 by mtgoat666]

Bajaboy - 12-13-2019 at 01:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Curious why you picked Vicente Guerrero? What is there as an accommodation that had you choose it over San Quintín or El Rosario?
The Santo Domingo mission is near Vicente Guerrero, but that is the only tourist attraction I can think of...


This place http://www.hotelmissioninn.com/

Bajaboy - 12-13-2019 at 01:40 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Nice, but why did the OP pick a town named V. Guerrero? Even the website says that place is in San Quintín at the top. Just want to know what attracted him to that town.


Here is the address:

Address: Carretera Transpeninsular 780 Km. 172.6, 22920
Vicente Guerrero, B.C., Mexico
You visited in October

Bajaboy - 12-13-2019 at 02:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Yes Zac, I know where it is...
My question is to gkuck as to how did Vicente Guerrero "pop up" on his planning radar. It is a curiosity question.


I've already answered the question...there is a nice, comfortable hotel there that has a good restaurant. It's right on the highway and you can make reservations online. Didn't realize I had to connect the dots for you:lol:

Bajaboy - 12-13-2019 at 03:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajaboy  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Nice, but why did the OP pick a town named V. Guerrero? Even the website says that place is in San Quintín at the top. Just want to know what attracted him to that town.


Here is the address:

Address: Carretera Transpeninsular 780 Km. 172.6, 22920
Vicente Guerrero, B.C., Mexico
You visited in October


Here is the web page ("Hotel in San Quintín"):



Yes David, the hotel is located on the north side of San Quintin....:light: hence one could say it's a San Quintin hotel.

mtgoat666 - 12-13-2019 at 03:52 PM

Why don’t you two get a room and continue your pedantic flirtation privately

wilderone - 12-14-2019 at 10:18 AM

Instead of Vicente Guerrero, go to Cielito Lindo hotel on the outskirts of San Quintin. Old Baja Style restaurant, bar, rooms, beachcombing when you get there or in the morning. And your intention for whale watching would be best at the end of your trip, out of Guerrero Negro (still early in the season, whales stop there first).

gkuck - 12-14-2019 at 01:38 PM

Hey David... While we've driven only as far as La Bufadora many times and have cruised/flown to Cabo and driven up to La Paz, we have never been anywhere in between. And before the wealth of information I have received from all of you, my only logic was to trying and space out the drive to make it easier on the family. Not knowing these places, I was just looking for decent looking hotels on Expedia/Hotels.com, etc. Based on the information you've shared, I'm now reevaluating our lodging options. Thanks again!

gkuck - 12-14-2019 at 01:43 PM

Oh and BajaBoy is correct. That is the exact hotel that popped up and looked like a decent place to stay.

BajaBlanca - 12-14-2019 at 02:49 PM

Welcome to the land of Bajanomad, gkuck!

whale watching as in california gray whales or whale sharks??

for California gray whales, you should go to guerrero negro with whale magic tours (Shari) or the san ignacio lagoon Antonio's). I have never been to Mag Bay, but that is another option.

El Rosario has the Baja Cactus hotel and it also has Mama Espinoza's restaurant. Everyone has to see this place at least once because it is loaded with knickknacks. It has some really interesting artifacts!

We came halfway down highway 1 last month and there were almost no potholes. Even Catavina was great.




RocketJSquirrel - 12-14-2019 at 04:32 PM

I did the run you originally specified just a few weeks ago. Roads are far better than in previous years, but still require that you pay close attention to the shoulder of the road and you WILL be tired when you get to GN - but that is okay, it is not a particularly interesting town (sorry!), though the drive there through the desert is fascinating.

Loreto, super nice town, be sure to visit the plaza and malecon. La Paz is a good place to base yourself and just run down to Todos Santos (too California artsy), Cabo and San Jose for a day.

La Paz has a great malecon and is just a nice place for walking - some great and simple real Mexican restaurants - not on the malecon.

It's a wonderful drive, drive in daylight even if it means getting up and having breakfast very early. There are LOTS of wonderful surprises out there.

RocketJSquirrel - 12-14-2019 at 04:43 PM

In La Paz...

Be sure to eat at Taco Fish La Paz (Google Earth will find it for you), but be careful of the pickled red onions. I like hot - I had steam coming out of my ears. My friend thought I might be having heart trouble... BUT, fantastic food at local prices. ALSO check Asadero Rancho Viejo - on the same street, but closer to the malecon - also on Google Earth. GREAT food. Local prices, local people. At both places you might be the only non-local person there. But the crowds of people will tell you that you are at the right place. You'll eat like a king for peanuts.

Above recommendations ONLY if you really like street tacos. Yummy!




[Edited on 12-14-2019 by RocketJSquirrel]

David K - 12-14-2019 at 05:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gkuck  
Hey David... While we've driven only as far as La Bufadora many times and have cruised/flown to Cabo and driven up to La Paz, we have never been anywhere in between. And before the wealth of information I have received from all of you, my only logic was to trying and space out the drive to make it easier on the family. Not knowing these places, I was just looking for decent looking hotels on Expedia/Hotels.com, etc. Based on the information you've shared, I'm now reevaluating our lodging options. Thanks again!


Thanks for getting back to us on Nomad...
Don't feel you have to plan the trip so closely. You may find you want to go further or may want to stop sooner, or stay longer. Baja is that way.

Just know that there is a bit of a void between El Rosario and Guerrero Negro with few gas stations and few motels. The side trip to L.A. Bay is 40 paved miles east of this section and there you will find many motels, campos, two gas stations, markets, and yummy fish tacos. So, at El Rosario (Km. 57) some 230 miles/ 5-6 hours south of the border, top you gas tank (honest station owned by a Nomad) and stay the night (Baja Cactus Motel) if it is near 3 pm. The next hotel is 76 miles south at Cataviña and may not have vacancies (Hotel Mision Cataviña).

At the state border, near Guerrero Negro, 200+ miles (4 hrs.) from El Rosario, you lose an hour as you go into Mountain Time Zone. Just want you to avoid surprises!

The Baja highway goes narrow at Km. 0, the south side of San Quintín. So, be on your toes!


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mtgoat666 - 12-14-2019 at 05:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RocketJSquirrel  
In La Paz...

Be sure to eat at Taco Fish La Paz (Google Earth will find it for you), but be careful of the pickled red onions. I like hot - I had steam coming out of my ears. My friend thought I might be having heart trouble... BUT, fantastic food at local prices. ALSO check Asadero Rancho Viejo - on the same street, but closer to the malecon - also on Google Earth. GREAT food. Local prices, local people. At both places you might be the only non-local person there. But the crowds of people will tell you that you are at the right place. You'll eat like a king for peanuts.

Above recommendations ONLY if you really like street tacos. Yummy!
[Edited on 12-14-2019 by RocketJSquirrel]


Don’t miss out on the smoked marlin empanadas at mc-fishers. Fish tacos at el estadio. Sunset c-cktails on rooftop deck at harker board on malecon.

Hotel catedral looks like nice place, new and contemporary, has a cool rooftop pool and bar.