BajaNomad - Off Road Races Canceled???

What's there to think about?

Really David?

I thought you were smarter than that..... :light:

Have you missed the point of prevention these days?

And, I think the OP was curious about public racing events in general.

Accepting the current new reality, some folks are struggling to consider the general good of some personal sacrifice. It is interesting that it took sporting event cancellations to get some to get it that prevention is the primary and initial goal...

John Harper - 3-14-2020 at 04:32 PM

What's there to think about?

Really David?

I thought you were smarter than that..... :light:

+1

John

mtgoat666 - 3-14-2020 at 05:29 PM

NOBODY cares if offroad races are cancelled. Idiotic pastime.

Now the really UPSETTING cancellation is March Madness!! :fire:

And no NBA!!!!! :fire:

Baseball, who cares?

Was at the grocery store today -- the lemmings have cleared the shelves. No meat left. No milk left. People are flocking nuts!!
I am amused that the canned goods and frozen foods and meat were wiped clean, but the produce section had all the variety I usually see. I guess if we continue to eat healthy, the lemmings clearing out the grocery stores will be no big woop :bounce:

Paco Facullo - 3-14-2020 at 06:23 PM

In a post apocalyptic world, canned foods, instant coffee and booze rule .........

John Harper - 3-14-2020 at 06:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

People are flocking nuts!!

I was in line at Rite Aid with two 12 packs of St. Pauli Girl (priorities!) this morning. Everyone else in line was clutching toilet paper, towels, sanitizer, water, etc.

The cashier looked at me and said "You are the first normal person I've had come through today." Obviously, panic is for the weak.

At Ralph's, I was shocked to see not only TP, but chicken(?), potatoes, onions, and BANANAS wiped out. Now, I really don't eat bananas, but WTF is up with that?

John

[Edited on 3-15-2020 by John Harper]

aburruss - 3-14-2020 at 07:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

NOBODY cares if offroad races are cancelled. Idiotic pastime.

You're right. Nobody cares... except for the local restaurants/vendors/store owners/property owners/mechanics who likely make a good part of their annual income from selling to spectators (stupid american idiots, along with the idiot locals) who come to these idiotic events.

You probably don't care about the "idiots" who also spend a lot of their time, money, and resources to come and participate in these events. Cancelling these events is a big financial hit to them too.

I'm sure there's a time and a reason that these would legitimately be cancelled or postponed; I'm not arguing that. I'm saying that just blowing it off as having NO impact, and as an idiotic pastime is very narrow-minded and misguided.

But hey, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I would agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

paranewbi - 3-15-2020 at 05:34 AM

What's there to think about?

Really David?

I thought you were smarter than that..... :light:

Following that equation: Then a whole lot of personal sacrifice would be a whole lot of good?

And complete personal sacrifice would lead to complete good! (cancellations)

But what good is that? Zero sum gain.

About this large gathering situation; I passed my local Costco yesterday which is next door to Home Depot and across the street from Walmart and the other street from a Von's. The crowd of cars within each parking lot combined for at least a thousand vehicles. Add in the kids, spouses, etc., that may have accompanied the drivers of each...the crowd was massive within eyesight.

Yep...we're learning something

[Edited on 3-15-2020 by paranewbi]

caj13 - 3-15-2020 at 08:38 AM

sometimes history can be informative:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/us/philadelphia-1918-spanish-...

Im not saying this is as deadly as the spanish flu, and the lessons epidemiologists and the medical field learned have been instrumental in reducing spread and deaths of other world wide pandemics. But even if its 1/100th as bad, you are looking at 5million being infected.

so apparently Paras calculations do not include human lives! The format for making decisions( that are well thought out decisions based on historical data and known medicine) - thats all wrong because thats not what Para wants! What apparently matters is the whole world acquiesces to whatever is in his best interest.

and just an aside para- complete human sacrifice would lead to complete good - is a very good description of religion! all of you good god-fearing Christians ought to be behind this 100%, your small sacrifice could save lives!

Funny how self-proclaimed Christians either don't know, or ignore the basic tennants of their faith!

what were learning BTW - for the umpteenth time is fear, driven by misinformation is a strong motivator. especially when coupled with a lack of education!

[Edited on 3-15-2020 by caj13]

mtgoat666 - 3-15-2020 at 09:06 AM

What's there to think about?

Really David?

I thought you were smarter than that..... :light:

Need to stock up on food before trump imposes curfew and martial law.

BajaMama - 3-15-2020 at 09:21 AM

Yes, this pandemic is going to hurt. But it is our social responsibility to slow infection as much as possible. Do you smoke? Are you over 65? 75? 80? Do you have diabetes? Are you obese? Do you have heart issues? Is your immune system compromised?

We are the fattest, unhealthiest 1st world nation in the world due to the horrible diet most of us eat. Personally I don't want to be responsible for assisting in the spread of a disease that will likely kill a large percentage of our most vulnerable population.

Sonora Wind - 3-15-2020 at 09:23 AM

A perspective:

I heard this story that I thought I would share as it relates to communicable disease.

As I understand the circumstances a family of seven had a terrible loss.

The oldest son went to a neighbors home to assist with some farming chores. When he returned a week later with no symptoms of any type, the mother became ill, then the father, younger brother and two of three younger sisters. Two weeks later 5 members of the family of seven where dead. The 18 year old son never did get sick, and the youngest daughter who was only 6 months old at the time, may have had a natural baby immunity.

As I reflect on this family's disaster, I think I would be willing to miss out on some much anticipated events to prevent spreading, and or contracting a very dangerous disease.

BTY: This was our family. This happened in Oklahoma. The year was 1911. The disease was typhoid. The 6 month old was my wife's mother. The 18 year old brother left home, never to be heard from again

Final Note: Should you fine yourself out of TP because of this current pandemic. Feel free to print several copies of this post, and put it to good use. :cool:

pacificobob - 3-15-2020 at 09:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

What's there to think about?

Really David?

I thought you were smarter than that..... :light:

+1

John

Perhaps David is using similar science as he employs about climate change.

[Edited on 3-15-2020 by pacificobob]

paranewbi - 3-15-2020 at 09:58 AM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

sometimes history can be informative:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/us/philadelphia-1918-spanish-...

Im not saying this is as deadly as the spanish flu, and the lessons epidemiologists and the medical field learned have been instrumental in reducing spread and deaths of other world wide pandemics. But even if its 1/100th as bad, you are looking at 5million being infected.

so apparently Paras calculations do not include human lives! The format for making decisions( that are well thought out decisions based on historical data and known medicine) - thats all wrong because thats not what Para wants! What apparently matters is the whole world acquiesces to whatever is in his best interest.

and just an aside para- complete human sacrifice would lead to complete good - is a very good description of religion! all of you good god-fearing Christians ought to be behind this 100%, your small sacrifice could save lives!

Funny how self-proclaimed Christians either don't know, or ignore the basic tennants of their faith!

what were learning BTW - for the umpteenth time is fear, driven by misinformation is a strong motivator. especially when coupled with a lack of education!

[Edited on 3-15-2020 by caj13]

Caj you need to go back to your off topic rant home...
Whatever you think you know of religion is distorted by your animosity towards it. The paradigm you approach your viewpoint with is tainted to put it mildly.

What you may think you know of me or what I write is confused in the failure to read in context. But I understand your demise, as I note the black-out in the ability to concentrate to that extent is exhibited as bipolar in your worship of yourself.

elgatoloco - 3-15-2020 at 10:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

Yes, this pandemic is going to hurt. But it is our social responsibility to slow infection as much as possible. Do you smoke? Are you over 65? 75? 80? Do you have diabetes? Are you obese? Do you have heart issues? Is your immune system compromised?

We are the fattest, unhealthiest 1st world nation in the world due to the horrible diet most of us eat. Personally I don't want to be responsible for assisting in the spread of a disease that will likely kill a large percentage of our most vulnerable population.

Bingo

John Harper - 3-15-2020 at 11:17 AM

Following that equation: Then a whole lot of personal sacrifice would be a whole lot of good?

And complete personal sacrifice would lead to complete good!

That sounds a lot like how Jesus would handle this! Right on!

Compassion, sacrifice, empathy, generosity, caring, and humility. These qualities are not just owned by "Christians." I follow the teachings of Jesus in my daily life, but refuse to call myself a Christian. Too many hypocrites adopt that name, it has lost it's meaning for me.

It's not all about being "saved" for eternity. God gave us a temporal existence to do his work.

John

[Edited on 3-15-2020 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 3-15-2020 at 11:26 AM

The USA communities are cancelling large events like this, following govt advice. USA operator of this race is going to Mexico to get around USA recommendation against large events, and USA restrictions on offroad racing. Double bad immoral behaviour!

del mar - 3-15-2020 at 01:37 PM

Sonora Rally started today! BRAAAAP!

paranewbi - 3-15-2020 at 02:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Following that equation: Then a whole lot of personal sacrifice would be a whole lot of good?

And complete personal sacrifice would lead to complete good!

I just say I'm a 'follower of the way' (re: Paul) John

BajaTed - 3-15-2020 at 02:20 PM

Our car club is continuing events at the racetracks we contracted with.
Was @ Buttonwillow, Friday & Saturday.
You drive there by yourself, hole up in your RV and get text, plus loud speaker messages on when to report to the grid. Some social interaction took place but all was in windy outdoors with a glass of Scotch. Had a No tresspass sign on RV door.
Most importantly an elected leader, Devin Nunes of the central valley also says it is safe to go.
As we all should know, he is a cabal leader within Q; code name is: Devinscow and has such esteem within their ranks I could not ignore his advice. Freeways to & fro were a breeze even in the rain.

caj13 - 3-16-2020 at 11:23 AM

So Para - realizing he is exposed - comes up with a brilliantly worded piece of obtusification,!
Caj you need to go back to your off topic rant home...
Whatever you think you know of religion is distorted by your animosity towards it. The paradigm you approach your viewpoint with is tainted to put it mildly.

What you may think you know of me or what I write is confused in the failure to read in context. But I understand your demise, as I note the black-out in the ability to concentrate to that extent is exhibited as bipolar in your worship of yourself.

I didn't know you wrere qualified to make mental illness diagnosis on the internet Dr Para - that must be some very special degree you have there! I didn't know Faux News was passing out religious doctorate degrees!

My point was and still is - People who proudly display their religion on their sleeves - often their actions are in complete conflict with their supposed religious beliefs. Paras post was an excellent example of that!
and history is full of those examples - its not a new phenomenon. its just now people seem to grant themselves immunity from actually living the beliefs they so proudly trumpet about!

del mar - 3-16-2020 at 11:55 AM

getting back to offroad racing cancellations expect SCORE to make an announcement on the fate of SF250 today. wouldn't be surprised to see it cancelled.

paranewbi - 3-16-2020 at 12:02 PM

Your insight fails to apply what you spew equally across the board Caj.

Religious beliefs are pretty much found throughout all peoples of all areas...what is the actual fact is that it is only recently in historical context that godlessness arises. Be learned.

Yet even godless peoples and leaders commit atrocious deeds upon the innocent. Some would say the 56 million 'unborn' have been sacrificed on the alter of convenience.

Something I believe by your angst could be within your purview. Don't be a fool to think you are so pure...as you judge.

caj13 - 3-16-2020 at 12:25 PM

Never fear Para & other Right winger evangelicals. The pope walked the empty streets of the Vatican praying for an end to the virus, and Jerry Falwell Jr is not closing Liberty University - because its all overblown hype by the liberal media, and god will protect his students!

so all of this should come to an end any time now!

And Para, why do you continue to misrepresent my point. My issue is not with religion per se. My issue is those who profess to be religious, but whose behaviors, actions and words are clearly at direct odds with what their "religion" teaches. Its the hypocrites I have an issue with, not those pure in spirit and heart!

[Edited on 3-16-2020 by caj13]

aburruss - 3-16-2020 at 01:16 PM

Score 250 postponed until May.

http://score-international.com/b-u-l-l-e-t-i-n-covid-19-forc...

David K - 3-16-2020 at 01:33 PM

Thanks!

mtgoat666 - 3-16-2020 at 01:47 PM

Your insight fails to apply what you spew equally across the board Caj.

Religious beliefs are pretty much found throughout all peoples of all areas...what is the actual fact is that it is only recently in historical context that godlessness arises. Be learned.

Yet even godless peoples and leaders commit atrocious deeds upon the innocent. Some would say the 56 million 'unborn' have been sacrificed on the alter of convenience.

Something I believe by your angst could be within your purview. Don't be a fool to think you are so pure...as you judge.

paranewbi - 3-17-2020 at 03:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

That explains where you 'learnt' everything.

[Edited on 3-17-2020 by paranewbi]

Paco Facullo - 3-17-2020 at 07:13 AM

GREAT Pull, Goat !!!!

Don Pisto - 3-18-2020 at 07:14 PM

NORRA 500 cancelled and 1000 postponed until October.......no surprised there

paranewbi - 3-19-2020 at 05:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13

Never fear Para & other Right winger evangelicals. The pope walked the empty streets of the Vatican praying for an end to the virus, and Jerry Falwell Jr is not closing Liberty University - because its all overblown hype by the liberal media, and god will protect his students!

so all of this should come to an end any time now!

And Para, why do you continue to misrepresent my point. My issue is not with religion per se. My issue is those who profess to be religious, but whose behaviors, actions and words are clearly at direct odds with what their "religion" teaches. Its the hypocrites I have an issue with, not those pure in spirit and heart!

[Edited on 3-16-2020 by caj13]

Not misrepresenting anything Caj...Just pointing out the fallacy of your 'issue'. All peoples at one time held 'religious' views, aka observance of a supreme spiritual entity. Therefore any existence of hypocrisy is within any 'religious' vein. The equation then insists that all 'religious' observance has an element of Hypocrisy.

Taken a step further; all instances of Hypocrisy are to be found in all peoples at one time.

Your right in saying it's the Hypocrites found in those entities but I would point out that if all Peoples at one time held a chance of hypocrisy among them...the equation is only valid when ALL PEOPLES are within the equation...that means ALL.

And all includes you Caj. Look at yourself the 'non-religious' one. OR so you claim. Self worship, AKA holding oneself above others (judgement) is a fallacy.

[Edited on 3-19-2020 by paranewbi]

[Edited on 3-19-2020 by paranewbi]

John Harper - 3-19-2020 at 05:47 AM

Self worship, AKA holding oneself above others (judgement) is a fallacy.

Didn't I call you out on this yesterday?

Blanket judgement about others haircuts, take out food, tattoos, Iphones, family decisions? Who made those statements?

It wasn't Elmer Gantry.

John

Have Faith

MrBillM - 3-19-2020 at 10:03 AM

We are safe in the knowledge that GOD (and his designated representative here on Earth D.T.) will see us through.

We might die a horrible death due to the Chinese menace, but that's part of the (mysterious) plan, too. RIGHT ?

A Heavenly warehouse filled with goodies (including Toilet Paper ?) is awaiting your (our ?) arrival.

Rejoice in the knowledge that should you be one of the chosen to take the early express to Paradise, God is simply rewarding your life's struggles early. Those left behind will be envious that you've been selected for eternal frivolity.

Hallelujah and Oh Happy Day !

See you there. Maybe.

Buen Viaje.

caj13 - 3-19-2020 at 10:57 AM

Hey Para - back to obtusification and avoidance eh!

Hypocrisy - behaving in a way contrary to your stated beliefs

pretty simple - Yup it's not necessarily tied to religion, it is just really obvious when those who hold themselves out to be closer to God are actually behaving more like their real god - satan!

And thank you for so completely and eloquently proving my point with this claptrap nonsence post ""And all includes you Caj. Look at yourself the 'non-religious' one. OR so you claim. Self worship, AKA holding oneself above others (judgement) is a fallacy."

meaning Para views himself as superior to others because he can tell them they are inferior to him!

I'm sure your god loves you above all others Para, rest assured infidels like me will get their just rewards, while you sit at the elbow of god directing his punishments toward your stated enemies!

[Edited on 3-19-2020 by caj13]

[Edited on 3-19-2020 by caj13]

Bajazly - 3-19-2020 at 11:33 AM

Please take all your religitard blather elsewhere. Like religion, the blather about it helps even less and it has nothing to do with offroad racing and it being canceled of not.

Doug, can't you make a religious blather forum so these guys can go thump their bible at each other over there?

AKgringo - 3-19-2020 at 11:40 AM

This was the first time I was made aware that Elmer Gantry was an off road racer! With God as his sponsor, why didn't he win?

God is EVERYWHERE ?

MrBillM - 3-19-2020 at 12:44 PM

BUT (maybe) not at the same moment ?

I mean, what with the proliferation of daily demands on his attention, it could be that any given event is missed at any moment.

It's a mystery.

Or, so they say.

Pray that you're in the "queue in view" when YOUR moment comes.

paranewbi - 3-19-2020 at 01:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly

Please take all your religitard blather elsewhere. Like religion, the blather about it helps even less and it has nothing to do with offroad racing and it being canceled of not.

Doug, can't you make a religious blather forum so these guys can go thump their bible at each other over there?

Have you looked back over this thread and seen all of the other than 'offroad racing' subjects, zingers and snide comments, that have cropped up Zly?

It's pretty much like any other thread that is on this board. Nothing to get your undies in a bundle about.

John Harper - 3-20-2020 at 05:38 AM