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How long has Covid19 been on the west coast?

AKgringo - 4-9-2020 at 11:11 AM

A theory has been reported in several different sources that the virus made the rounds here in the fall, and Stanford has been conducting random, voluntary blood tests searching for antibodies that would indicate exposure to the virus. (the tests are Stanford, not the report)

Here is one of them; https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-investigates-if...
The text worked for me, but the video linked to something else.

If this theory is correct, it could explain why I was so sick from Thanksgiving and into the middle of December. Any of you other west coasters get sick then?

David K - 4-9-2020 at 11:24 AM

We did get a light case of the flu, a few months ago. The doc prescribed TamiFlu. It soon was gone. We both had gotten flu shots for this season pretty early (wife works at Kaiser).

pacificobob - 4-9-2020 at 11:59 AM

this is worth watching, about the origins of covid19. frightening, if half true.

https://youtu.be/Le_rfTdayLs

BornFisher - 4-9-2020 at 01:01 PM

I didn`t get sick but I know of a couple who got their butts kicked for 3 weeks. I think this was in January. They said it started out as a cold then turned into the flu. Let`s hope there was a wave of convid 19 and some of our population is immune.

AKgringo - 4-9-2020 at 01:37 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
this is worth watching, about the origins of covid19. frightening, if half true.

https://youtu.be/Le_rfTdayLs
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AKgringo - 4-9-2020 at 01:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher  
I didn`t get sick but I know of a couple who got their butts kicked for 3 weeks. I think this was in January. They said it started out as a cold then turned into the flu. Let`s hope there was a wave of convid 19 and some of our population is immune.


To me, that sounds like the usual course of infection. This time my first symptoms were in my lungs, progressing to fever (unknown temp), ache all over, and irregularity.

I was current on pneumonia vaccination, but this was more like pneumonia than any flue or cold I have ever had!

AKgringo - 4-9-2020 at 02:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I was current on pneumonia vaccination, but this was more like pneumonia than any flue or cold I have ever had!
Have you seen any evidence that pneumonia vaccinations mitigate COVID-19 severity?


No, and I did not mean to imply that it could. I mentioned it to lessen the possible factor of having a bacterial pneumonia infection.

I would love to get tested!

AKgringo - 4-9-2020 at 03:00 PM

It wasn't just me! I have a sister-law living with me, and both she, and one of her daughters went through the same (or similar) symptoms.

They both work in the deli section of two different grocery stores, and have contact with the public all day long. The flue, or whatever it was, had many employees of both stores out sick for a while!

BajaTed - 4-9-2020 at 05:35 PM

Daughter is nurse in Las Vegas mid January worse flu of her life.
Still can't get tested.

El Jefe - 4-9-2020 at 05:40 PM

Paula and I had it here in CA in the first weeks of January. We were having our house remodeled and I think we contracted it from the contractor. How appropriate! I thought it was a bad cold, but it didn't get into my head like usual, it was in my lungs. Chills, fever, cough and body ache. All most severe at night. It was a tough couple of weeks for us. We were living in the garage and one room of the house. I just couldn't get warm during the day with the house wide open. Oh, and we did get flu shots in the fall. Who knows? maybe we already had covid???? A test for antibodies would be sure nice.

RFClark - 4-11-2020 at 09:01 AM

Very Interesting!

The wife and I both had something in mid January. I came down with severe back spasms for the 1st time in my life. A visit to our local SoCal ER eased those but about 3 days later I came down with a respiratory virus unlike any I had ever had. I had a productive cough, slight fever, back aches and a strange burning when I took a breath. The wife came down a few day after I did. She was less ill and had a non productive cough, aches and pains. Neither of us were very ill and we both recovered in about 10 days.
I’ve had various flus since the ‘56 Asian variety which hospitalized me for a couple days. Most much worse than this. I too have had both my Phenomena shots and flu shots.
I want to take an antibody test as they will be available soon.

Anyone else have a similar experience from December on? The Italians think that this started back in December as they had 3X the normal seasonal Phenomena deaths then. Other countries are reviewing their records as well! Time will tell if this started earlier than currently thought.

Stay Safe, Have a Happy Easter or Passover.

Purdyd - 4-11-2020 at 02:12 PM

If you click on the link, it is gone, apparently taken down, it is supposedly a Stanford researcher but not really. It is someone not a doctor associated with Stanford.

Which was cited by Rush Limbaugh.

“ RUSH: Dadelut, dadelut, dadelut, dadelut, dadelut, dadelut from the San Francisco Chronicle: “Study Investigates if COVID-19 Came to California in the Fall of 2019 — If so, the state may have built up some herd immunity. Researchers at Stanford Medicine…” That’s an august facility. It is highly accepted and revered. It’s not a quack operation, in other words.”

Stanford says this is not true.

https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-circulating...


My wife has been saying this for some times. We have a friend who ended up in the hospital in December with symptoms you would say now are covid 19.

And a lot flu was going around. Perhaps not covid 19 but maybe it toughened us up? Or maybe California has just done a good job of social distancing, sure doesn’t seem like when I go out though ;).

Skipjack Joe - 4-11-2020 at 04:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
this is worth watching, about the origins of covid19. frightening, if half true.

https://youtu.be/Le_rfTdayLs


I don't think any of it is true. Several weeks ago, I can't remember exactly, I had read articles posted on Fox, MSNBC, BBC that stated that scientists had studied the RNA of the virus and determined that it could not have been created in a lab. There was pretty much universal agreement on this by the scientific community.

There is no such agreement on the source of the virus, the case 0. But to jump from the absence of the source of information to theories about the creation in labs is a huge step. This 'sleuth' has no real proof of anything. Just innuendos based on circumstances. The overall impression you get is that this investigative report did not come to conclusions from gathered data but the reverse. It wanted to tell a story and searched any information that could be used to build the story and ignored that which didn't support. This is not the way that good journalism works.

Edit...Stanford test added

AKgringo - 4-11-2020 at 04:20 PM

Purdyd….Thanks for posting the link to the Slate article! It sounds right to me, and I did state that the theory was not being promoted by Stanford. Earlier this week, Stanford did conduct 3200 antibody tests in a public area, which was covered on camera by local news stations. https://www.stanforddaily.com/2020/04/04/stanford-researcher...

The first report I saw that suggested there may have been an early arrival of the virus was a CNN piece that was carried on my internet news page (MSNBC). A search brought up the now deleted SF Gate link, which I had never heard of before.

Even if it turned out that there was an early version of the virus that made me sick, I would not presume that I have an antibody that would protect me against the current evolution that is making the rounds!

[Edited on 4-11-2020 by AKgringo]

bajabuddha - 4-11-2020 at 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  

Just innuendos......



So what do Italian suppositories have to do with this? :O

Oh yeah, btw.... they taste terrible, and for all the good they do you, you might as well..... you know...... :no:

[Edited on 4-11-2020 by bajabuddha]

Skipjack Joe - 4-11-2020 at 04:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd  


https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-circulating...



Thank you for this article Purdyd. It's a good one.

It makes the point that if the virus had been on the west coast in the fall we would have had New York in December, not in March. That makes perfect sense to me and is irrefutable.

So all those flu like symptoms people are reporting were just that - the flu.

The simplest explanation is almost always the correct one.

RFClark - 4-11-2020 at 06:17 PM

“Consider the potential effect on upcoming elections if unknown agents were able to divert the sheeple's attention to the Chinese Communist Party as a common enemy.”

Consider the upcoming election if the Bernie Bros stay home again!

Until those “early flu cases” that were so deadly can be tested we won’t know and there may already be those who know the answer and don’t want to be forced to go there.

I can think of good reasons for not starting a shooting war over this even as bad as it is just a couple Nukes would be far worse! Probably better to threaten in private!

The Japanese are moving their critical production back home and they won’t be the only ones.

Purdyd - 4-11-2020 at 06:30 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I did state that the theory was not being promoted by Stanford.

[Edited on 4-11-2020 by AKgringo]


No it was Rush Limbaugh, and others who said it was Stanford researchers.

I did mean to imply any one on here said that.

El Jefe - 4-11-2020 at 06:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd  


https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-circulating...



Thank you for this article Purdyd. It's a good one.

It makes the point that if the virus had been on the west coast in the fall we would have had New York in December, not in March. That makes perfect sense to me and is irrefutable.

So all those flu like symptoms people are reporting were just that - the flu.

The simplest explanation is almost always the correct one.


Dang! I was hoping I was an early adopter. Cutting edge soul survivor. I had Covid-19 when it was still Covid-17, or something like that. Oh well, only chance I got now is to be an also ran like everybody else. Although, perhaps on the other hand I will do my best to sit this one out.

Skipjack Joe - 4-11-2020 at 06:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho  


Consider the potential effect on upcoming elections if unknown agents were able to divert the sheeple's attention to the Chinese Communist Party as a common enemy.

Keep your dial tuned to this station... :bounce:


I think Trump is going to have a hard time getting reelected. The public are going to blame him for acting too slow on this pandemic. The belief is that had NY gone into lockdown just one week earlier than it did it would be in California's shoes now. NY now has more cases than any other country in the world. It's just mind boggling.

But then he'll be running against Biden. :P Couldn't ask for a softer punching bag.

RFClark - 4-11-2020 at 07:07 PM

The Dems by a 56% majority want to run Cuomo. Imagine how that would work out with NY’s numbers. There is a “Softer Target”! NYC was telling people to go out and enjoy themselves when they should have locked down. That’s in Cuomo’s shop!

AKgringo - 4-11-2020 at 07:43 PM

Quote: Originally posted by El Jefe  


Dang! I was hoping I was an early adopter. Cutting edge soul survivor. I had Covid-19 when it was still Covid-17, or something like that. Oh well, only chance I got now is to be an also ran like everybody else. Although, perhaps on the other hand I will do my best to sit this one out.



I know how you feel! It has been a long time since I have been that sick, and it was different than anything I can remember. The symptoms were very much like what is being reported by Covid19 survivors now.

FWIW, KCRA Sacramento is reporting tonight that USC, in conjunction with Los Angeles health department is conducting "Herd Immunity Tests", very much like Stanford did in the bay area.

paranewbi - 4-12-2020 at 04:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by El Jefe  
Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd  


https://slate.com/technology/2020/04/coronavirus-circulating...



Thank you for this article Purdyd. It's a good one.

It makes the point that if the virus had been on the west coast in the fall we would have had New York in December, not in March. That makes perfect sense to me and is irrefutable.

So all those flu like symptoms people are reporting were just that - the flu.

The simplest explanation is almost always the correct one.


Dang! I was hoping I was an early adopter. Cutting edge soul survivor. I had Covid-19 when it was still Covid-17, or something like that. Oh well, only chance I got now is to be an also ran like everybody else. Although, perhaps on the other hand I will do my best to sit this one out.


Wife (Covid Nurse) says there were baffling cases of death, symptomatic of Covid (mostly comorbidity/elderly) back towards the end of last year. Testing was done for flu virus and none was found. There was no test for Covid back then and it wasn't on the radar. Just anecdotal evidence I suppose.

Also our daughter was sicker than she ever had been on a flight back from Hawaii at the first of January. Symptoms started day before and took over a week to get her back on her feet. She was in Hawaii for a week prior. She also thinks it was Covid.

Newsweek article 04/17

AKgringo - 4-17-2020 at 03:24 PM

This article was posted today online; https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/coronavirus-out...

I am not saying I had the same virus that has slammed New York and other places, but there were a whole lot of people sick with very similar symptoms here in western Nevada County!

On a side note, there have been 34 cases detected in Nevada County (one fatal) and almost all of them were in eastern side of the Sierras, which actually has more ties to the Reno Tahoe economy than the center of the county population.

There have been no new cases reported or treated for nine days now!

Bajafun777 - 4-17-2020 at 09:57 PM

Well, I had a doctor in San Diego tell me that the Virus was in California in later part of October. I was in his office for some tests and he said the Bad part of this Virus is that the older people 70 and up are hit the hardest. However, if there was any Good part it is that over 98% of those younger recover. He said that doesn't lessen the loss of the older people and that they are the ones that should be extremely careful and avoid outside contacts as much as humanly possible. I know our medical and research doctors will find a cure for this, as they have shown us time and time again that they rise to the challenges that not only threaten our Country but other Countries. Take Care and Be Safe

55steve - 4-17-2020 at 11:04 PM

More info that possibly supports COVID19 last fall on the west coast:


https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/health/santa-clara-coronaviru...

[Edited on 4-18-2020 by 55steve]

paranewbi - 4-18-2020 at 04:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajafun777  
Well, I had a doctor in San Diego tell me that the Virus was in California in later part of October. I was in his office for some tests and he said the Bad part of this Virus is that the older people 70 and up are hit the hardest. However, if there was any Good part it is that over 98% of those younger recover. He said that doesn't lessen the loss of the older people and that they are the ones that should be extremely careful and avoid outside contacts as much as humanly possible. I know our medical and research doctors will find a cure for this, as they have shown us time and time again that they rise to the challenges that not only threaten our Country but other Countries. Take Care and Be Safe


I get it...it's good to hear the perspective of a practicing Dr. to get a sense of what is going on.

But when this is presented by the shrill of media, etc., it sounds as if ALL people over 70 are going to die if they go outside. Well sorry, the truth is...people over 70 have a great chance of dying!

Why? We're OLD. We are pretty much (physically) the product of our largess (Ate poorly, sat around a lot, watched to much TV, grew up with parents that smoked or we smoked ourselves, and lived in a time and country that afforded us all of the opportunities we delighted in to kill ourselves along the way).

So our fat, lazy, azzez are more prone to being an easy target for things like this.

Good thing is...we ended up with most of the money (generally).

caj13 - 4-18-2020 at 05:59 PM

my issue with the theory - and the herd immunity, is that we should have seen the massive numbers of infection early then followed by immunity. hard to imagine it hid out here on the left coast in very low numbers for several months before deciding it was time for mass attacks?

conspiracy theories ! if you have no evidence, no common sense, and a lack of education - what better way to become anointed with special knowledge than to adopt or better yet, create your own social media-driven nonsense!
Conspiracy theories - the fuse of the ignorant masses explosion!

BornFisher - 4-19-2020 at 08:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by caj13  

Conspiracy theories - the fuse of the ignorant masses explosion!


Yep!! Like some ignorant people think Trump is our president because he colluded with Putin to steal the election from the smartest women on the planet. Please find me one person who changed their vote from Hillary to Trump because of something some Russian did!!

RFClark - 4-19-2020 at 09:03 PM

The best creditable current theory is midish December ‘19. The Northern
Italian epidemiologists noticed an 3X increase in Pneumonia deaths in December. One of the S.D. ICUs had a case in mid-December that had all the Wuhan Virus symptoms and a negative flu panel. There are a number of other antidotal cases in January and early February with similar symptoms. So, time and an antibody test will tell!

Paco Facullo - 4-19-2020 at 09:31 PM

Ya'all are Graspin' for straws.....

Only time will tell,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Paco Facullo - 4-19-2020 at 09:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  
Quote: Originally posted by Bajafun777  
Well, I had a doctor in San Diego tell me that the Virus was in California in later part of October. I was in his office for some tests and he said the Bad part of this Virus is that the older people 70 and up are hit the hardest. However, if there was any Good part it is that over 98% of those younger recover. He said that doesn't lessen the loss of the older people and that they are the ones that should be extremely careful and avoid outside contacts as much as humanly possible. I know our medical and research doctors will find a cure for this, as they have shown us time and time again that they rise to the challenges that not only threaten our Country but other Countries. Take Care and Be Safe


I get it...it's good to hear the perspective of a practicing Dr. to get a sense of what is going on.

But when this is presented by the shrill of media, etc., it sounds as if ALL people over 70 are going to die if they go outside. Well sorry, the truth is...people over 70 have a great chance of dying!

Why? We're OLD. We are pretty much (physically) the product of our largess (Ate poorly, sat around a lot, watched to much TV, grew up with parents that smoked or we smoked ourselves, and lived in a time and country that afforded us all of the opportunities we delighted in to kill ourselves along the way).

So our fat, lazy, azzez are more prone to being an easy target for things like this.

Good thing is...we ended up with most of the money (generally).


One of the most intelligent post yet !

RFClark - 4-22-2020 at 04:32 AM

In today’s news! 1st SFO Area death documented as 2/6 a full month earlier than previously known. “Community Transmission Chains” existed even earlier in the U.S. This gives credence to those antidotal “I think I hade it” stores!

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-live...

paranewbi - 4-22-2020 at 05:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
A theory has been reported in several different sources that the virus made the rounds here in the fall, and Stanford has been conducting random, voluntary blood tests searching for antibodies that would indicate exposure to the virus. (the tests are Stanford, not the report)

Here is one of them; https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Study-investigates-if...
The text worked for me, but the video linked to something else.

If this theory is correct, it could explain why I was so sick from Thanksgiving and into the middle of December. Any of you other west coasters get sick then?


“On Tuesday, Santa Clara County Public Health officials announced that an autopsy revealed a patient died of the virus, which originated in China, on February 6, roughly three weeks prior to the first U.S. confirmed COVID-19 death in Washington State on February 29…

Though the methodologies were called into question, a recent anti-body test study by Stanford University showed that the coronavirus cases in Santa Clara County were 50 to 85 times higher than officials initially speculated.

“At the time of the study, Santa Clara County had 1,094 confirmed cases of COVID-19, resulting in 50 deaths,” reported The Guardian. “But based on the rate of participants who have antibodies, the study estimates it is likely that between 48,000 and 81,000 people had been infected in Santa Clara county by early April.”

“That also means coronavirus is potentially much less deadly to the overall population than initially thought,” it continued. “As of Tuesday, the US’s coronavirus death rate was 4.1% and Stanford researchers said their findings show a death rate of just 0.12% to 0.2%.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/bombshell-autopsy-reveals-cov...

caj13 - 4-23-2020 at 07:01 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BornFisher  
Quote: Originally posted by caj13  

Conspiracy theories - the fuse of the ignorant masses explosion!


Yep!! Like some ignorant people think Trump is our president because he colluded with Putin to steal the election from the smartest women on the planet. Please find me one person who changed their vote from Hillary to Trump because of something some Russian did!!


Contact your republican senator, he should be able to explain it to you!