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Some good Covid-19 news from SoCal - Ventura County starts to open up

JZ - 4-19-2020 at 06:39 PM

Ventura County is just West of LA County. A little under a million ppl. Parks, beaches, and some shops back in business. Let's get this chit over with. Gonna hit the beach this week.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-19/ventura-...



Ventura County on Saturday modified its stay-at-home order to permit some businesses to reopen and some gatherings to take place for the first time since the restrictions were issued to fight the spread of the coronavirus.

The county had reported 422 cases of COVID-19 and 13 related deaths as of Sunday. Thirty people were hospitalized, including nine in intensive care units.

“We are positioned to focus on the road to reopening because our residents and businesses have sacrificed so much to comply with the public health orders and slow the spread of the virus in our community,” Mike Powers, the county’s executive officer, said in a statement. “Our current situation is further strengthened by the work of our local hospitals to expand their capacity.”

The county’s modified order, which is in place through May 15, allows some businesses that don’t serve the public to operate using no more than 10 employees. Gatherings of up to five people are now permitted, as are gatherings in vehicles.

Golf courses and bike shops can reopen, and in-person sales of vehicles are now permitted. Officials also reopened county-run parks and beaches at 5 p.m. Friday.

pacificobob - 4-19-2020 at 07:29 PM

Great news. I look forward to seeing those red cap wearers embraceing their freedom and each other.

John Harper - 4-19-2020 at 08:09 PM

God help this poor bastard's kids. A broken moral compass.

John

mtgoat666 - 4-19-2020 at 08:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Ventura County is just West of LA County. A little under a million ppl. Parks, beaches, and some shops back in business. Let's get this chit over with. Gonna hit the beach this week.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-19/ventura-...



Ventura County on Saturday modified its stay-at-home order to permit some businesses to reopen and some gatherings to take place for the first time since the restrictions were issued to fight the spread of the coronavirus.

The county had reported 422 cases of COVID-19 and 13 related deaths as of Sunday. Thirty people were hospitalized, including nine in intensive care units.

“We are positioned to focus on the road to reopening because our residents and businesses have sacrificed so much to comply with the public health orders and slow the spread of the virus in our community,” Mike Powers, the county’s executive officer, said in a statement. “Our current situation is further strengthened by the work of our local hospitals to expand their capacity.”

The county’s modified order, which is in place through May 15, allows some businesses that don’t serve the public to operate using no more than 10 employees. Gatherings of up to five people are now permitted, as are gatherings in vehicles.

Golf courses and bike shops can reopen, and in-person sales of vehicles are now permitted. Officials also reopened county-run parks and beaches at 5 p.m. Friday.


I used to frequent Ventura for work. Spent a lot of time there. My impression is that the locals prefer the Calabasas people stay in Calabasas and not pollute their towns and beaches...

If you live in Calabasas (god help you!), you are still under a stay-at-home order, jizzy

JZ - 4-19-2020 at 08:24 PM

Sounds like the OC is not far behind.

"Great news. I have a feeling that Orange County may begin to open soon based on the numbers. County of 3.2 million people with 1556 cases and 32 deaths total. Our effective case rate based on the testing that's been done is 4.8 per 10,000.

Our health care agency/health department has also employed a light touch throughout the outbreak. Virtually everything is recommended and not mandated in terms of face masks but they did follow the governor's stupid mandate of closing the golf courses and tennis courts. Parks are open but there's police tape around the park benches and playground equipment. Beaches except for Newport Beach are closed but surfers are out anyway in some places."

John Harper - 4-19-2020 at 08:27 PM

Calabasas is the anus of Ventura County. You show up in Fillmore, we make you huevos rancheros, with your huevos.

John

[Edited on 4-20-2020 by John Harper]

JZ - 4-19-2020 at 08:31 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Calabasas is the anus of Ventura County.

John


https://www.foxla.com/news/calabasas-beats-out-beverly-hills...

John Harper - 4-19-2020 at 08:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Calabasas is the anus of Ventura County.

John


https://www.foxla.com/news/calabasas-beats-out-beverly-hills...


Thanks for proving my statement. Morally bankrupt.

John

[Edited on 4-20-2020 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 4-19-2020 at 10:04 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Calabasas is the anus of Ventura County.

John


https://www.foxla.com/news/calabasas-beats-out-beverly-hills...


What a silly and misguided retort.
If all you care about is money, why you going to rural baja? The people in rural baja are mostly poor and apparently not worthy of your Calabasas greatness.

I did a couple jobs at la co san’s Calabasas landfill, had to spend a few weeks in hotels there. Calabasas seemed like a depressing socal sameness, about the same as Orange County, but far from water, and crowded, the same chitty crowds that plague OC.

BajaNomad - 4-19-2020 at 11:46 PM

Please keep in mind that just "opening up" the economy doesn't insure a return to things as they were. Quite frankly, it might tank the economy much further rapidly.

If employees go back to work - depends on the business, but the point is still relevant - it doesn't mean the the customers will be turning out to help keep them employed... and businesses (say, service businesses like restaurants, places where people "gather") may go under much more quickly if opened now versus later. Business owners need to continue being creative. Almost all of them will have to change their business models going forward for a decade or more.

This isn't going away quickly unless/until there's a vaccine, or wide immunity. Neither are coming soon it seems.

:rolleyes:

BajaNomad - 4-19-2020 at 11:54 PM

Other similar concerns in moving too soon being a risky assumption.

https://youtu.be/Gsukb6dbtSM?t=86

paranewbi - 4-20-2020 at 05:17 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Please keep in mind that just "opening up" the economy doesn't insure a return to things as they were. Quite frankly, it might tank the economy much further rapidly.

If employees go back to work - depends on the business, but the point is still relevant - it doesn't mean the the customers will be turning out to help keep them employed... and businesses (say, service businesses like restaurants, places where people "gather") may go under much more quickly if opened now versus later. Business owners need to continue being creative. Almost all of them will have to change their business models going forward for a decade or more.

This isn't going away quickly unless/until there's a vaccine, or wide immunity. Neither are coming soon it seems.

:rolleyes:


Funny thought;

Wife was looking at the census on her floor at the hospital last night. Only 3 patients on one side (only one a covid) and 9 on the other (no covid). Incredibly low, requiring only a handful of nurses to cover what 13 were scheduled for.

To many employees and not enough patrons? Yep, could be a path to failure...based on what? Fear to go to the hospital? A doctrine of 'don't come unless you really need to'? or 'We're preparing for the flood' of pandemic, while we go out of business?

"and businesses (say, service businesses like restaurants, places where people "gather") may go under much more quickly if opened now versus later."

That statement doesn't even make sense. There are NO businesses to go under...they are under. The government handing out money does not mean a business is thriving.

And 'This isn't going away quickly unless/until there's a vaccine, or wide immunity. Neither are coming soon it seems.'

Please keep in mind that the great Dr. Fauci was the person who said this under his leadership when A.I.D.'s first appeared...and there never was a vaccine created against aids. So under your proposition, immunity is the greatest player in the equation...that means you need exposure.



[Edited on 4-20-2020 by paranewbi]

BajaNomad - 4-20-2020 at 08:49 AM

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  


"and businesses (say, service businesses like restaurants, places where people "gather") may go under much more quickly if opened now versus later."

That statement doesn't even make sense. There are NO businesses to go under...they are under. The government handing out money does not mean a business is thriving.

And 'This isn't going away quickly unless/until there's a vaccine, or wide immunity. Neither are coming soon it seems.'

Please keep in mind that the great Dr. Fauci was the person who said this under his leadership when A.I.D.'s first appeared...and there never was a vaccine created against aids. So under your proposition, immunity is the greatest player in the equation...that means you need exposure.



I stand by my statements. There will be many businesses that fail going forward ("going under"), some sooner than others. Right now they're simply attempting to tread water.

Not my proposition. The transmission of HIV and COVID-19 are not alike. Apples to oranges. Puhleeze.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

AKgringo - 4-20-2020 at 09:05 AM

I don't recall any news about an outbreak of AIDs in any senior living centers! :wow:

Purdyd - 4-20-2020 at 09:32 AM

Ventura county has changed guidelines, but ventura the city, still has parks and beaches closed. This is confusing to residents who don’t understand the patchwork of jurisdictions on parks and beaches.

Note the parks opened but the parking lots, bathrooms, and playground equipment, did not.

The state beaches in the county remain closed.

The two other cities, with beaches, one only closed beaches for the weekend, the other just reopened with restrictions.

And then we have little patch’s of sand inside harbors with still different rules. Although in some cases the water quality is more of a concern than any virus.

Free Santa Barbara next door. has been a lot more open.

Calabasas is NOT in Ventura county.

Golf courses seem to be reopening, no carts, inverted cups. Not sure why they were closed in the first place.

Ventura county as a whole, has 9 confirmed cases in the icu and 30 in the hospital. This number has been steady for a couple of weeks.

The problem is that we are next door to totalitarian Los Angeles. There is some concern we will be over run with mass hordes.

The aptly named ventura freeway, 101, runs right through the county.

The good news is that according to the university of Washington, California has peaked, and we are likely going to see more and more relaxation of restrictions as a result.

Unfortunately, I think Mexico still has some rough times ahead.

paranewbi - 4-20-2020 at 10:16 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi  


"and businesses (say, service businesses like restaurants, places where people "gather") may go under much more quickly if opened now versus later."

That statement doesn't even make sense. There are NO businesses to go under...they are under. The government handing out money does not mean a business is thriving.

And 'This isn't going away quickly unless/until there's a vaccine, or wide immunity. Neither are coming soon it seems.'

Please keep in mind that the great Dr. Fauci was the person who said this under his leadership when A.I.D.'s first appeared...and there never was a vaccine created against aids. So under your proposition, immunity is the greatest player in the equation...that means you need exposure.



I stand by my statements. There will be many businesses that fail going forward ("going under"), some sooner than others. Right now they're simply attempting to tread water.

Not my proposition. The transmission of HIV and COVID-19 are not alike. Apples to oranges. Puhleeze.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


Read again...Not comparing Covid to Aids...Just citing the same man that says we can't go back to normal until there is a vaccine said the same thing about AIDS and there never was a vaccine for that just like there is not a vaccine for the flu that is perfect. So...don't ever expect normal to be anything more than what you make it.

And by the way...we actually learned to live with AIDS, Several different and mutating flu viruses, Sars, Ebola, etc., without closing down the economy. And no business is treading water, they all are technically drowning.

Da Nada

[Edited on 4-20-2020 by paranewbi]

JZ - 4-20-2020 at 10:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Purdyd  
Ventura county has changed guidelines, but ventura the city, still has parks and beaches closed. This is confusing to residents who don’t understand the patchwork of jurisdictions on parks and beaches.

Note the parks opened but the parking lots, bathrooms, and playground equipment, did not.

The state beaches in the county remain closed.

The two other cities, with beaches, one only closed beaches for the weekend, the other just reopened with restrictions.

And then we have little patch’s of sand inside harbors with still different rules. Although in some cases the water quality is more of a concern than any virus.

Free Santa Barbara next door. has been a lot more open.

Calabasas is NOT in Ventura county.

Golf courses seem to be reopening, no carts, inverted cups. Not sure why they were closed in the first place.

Ventura county as a whole, has 9 confirmed cases in the icu and 30 in the hospital. This number has been steady for a couple of weeks.

The problem is that we are next door to totalitarian Los Angeles. There is some concern we will be over run with mass hordes.

The aptly named ventura freeway, 101, runs right through the county.

The good news is that according to the university of Washington, California has peaked, and we are likely going to see more and more relaxation of restrictions as a result.

Unfortunately, I think Mexico still has some rough times ahead.



Thanks for the good intel.

SFandH - 4-20-2020 at 02:45 PM

It's a balancing act. We have contradictory requirements. Close things down to stop the spread of the virus and open things up to stop the destruction of the economy.

I just finished reading "The Great Influenza" by Jonn Barry. It's about the 1918 flu pandemic. The pandemic occurred in three "waves" from 1918 to 1920. The second wave, starting about 6 months after the first, was the most deadly.

I also recently read "The Next Pandemic" by Dr. Ali Khan. He's an epidemiologist who worked for the CDC for 20 years. It's about his professional experiences combating viral epidemics.

Both are informative books. I liked "The Great Influenza" better than "The Next Pandemic".

You may want to consider reading these and other pertinent books before drawing conclusions.

In my opinion, things are worse than what is being reported. Especially, I think the numbers being reported are intentionally lower than reality. Like I said, just my opinion.

It is also my opinion that until a vaccine is created and the vast majority of people are inoculated, COVID-19 will be a large public health problem.

If things are opening up, go for it. I'll be watching closely while I stay away from people. Who knows, maybe the death rate won't increase....maybe.

Good luck!

pacificobob - 4-20-2020 at 04:46 PM

Like sf and h said. Go for it. You first, ill stay home and monitor. Don't forget the pandemic is only a liberal hoax. Grab you AR15 and flag and get your freedom on! USA!

[Edited on 4-20-2020 by pacificobob]

Skipjack Joe - 4-20-2020 at 05:57 PM

I'm just curious... We're not the first to grapple(?) with opening up. Both China and Korea have done it (I know, I know. They're all liars). How successful have they been? Did their businesses tank as theorized? Are there lessons to be learned?

One thing is for sure. If the lock down is lifted it won't affect us old folks. We'll still have to sit at home. But, apparently that's all we're good for now. Just sit and wait for the same outcome, with or without the virus. lol.

JZ - 4-20-2020 at 06:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
I'm just curious... We're not the first to grapple(?) with opening up. Both China and Korea have done it (I know, I know. They're all liars). How successful have they been? Did their businesses tank as theorized? Are there lessons to be learned?

One thing is for sure. If the lock down is lifted it won't affect us old folks. We'll still have to sit at home. But, apparently that's all we're good for now. Just sit and wait for the same outcome, with or without the virus. lol.


South Korea has a population of 50M. They've had 236 deaths.

Anyone lobbying for this to not open back up is out of their minds. I dislike Trump massively, but still realize that the liberal media is pure evil.


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-18/seoul-s-f...


[Edited on 4-21-2020 by JZ]

Skipjack Joe - 4-20-2020 at 06:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-18/seoul-s-f...


[Edited on 4-21-2020 by JZ]


Good article. Our future appears to be massive amounts of testing with a gradual return to normalcy. Once the vaccine is available business may be back as usual, assuming they can hold out that long. Government should help out.

SFandH - 4-21-2020 at 07:40 AM

"Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."

The 1918 flu pandemic that killed 10s of millions of people mutated to its deadliest form 6 months after the outbreak. The more people that are infected with COVID-19, the higher the probability of an extremely deadly mutation.

The 1918 pandemic took two years before it ran its course. And there were occasional flare-ups for several years after that.

Also, the common cold is caused by a coronavirus. A successful vaccine has yet to be developed.

I'd bet this pandemic is far from over.

[Edited on 4-21-2020 by SFandH]

BajaNomad - 4-21-2020 at 05:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Other similar concerns in moving too soon being a risky assumption.

https://youtu.be/Gsukb6dbtSM?t=86


NBC story tonight - with a lead in of: "His biggest concern is will his customers feel comfortable coming back?"

"It's one thing to lose 100% of your business for a month, but to lose 20% of your business over six months... that's what actually puts you out of business."
- Jimmy Funkhouser, Feral Mountain Co., Denver, CO. (former Toys R Us exec)

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/coronavirus-gover...

Skipjack Joe - 4-21-2020 at 06:34 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Other similar concerns in moving too soon being a risky assumption.

https://youtu.be/Gsukb6dbtSM?t=86


NBC story tonight - with a lead in of: "His biggest concern is will his customers feel comfortable coming back?"

"It's one thing to lose 100% of your business for a month, but to lose 20% of your business over six months... that's what actually puts you out of business."
- Jimmy Funkhouser, Feral Mountain Co., Denver, CO. (former Toys R Us exec)

https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/coronavirus-gover...


Does losing 100% of your business for 3 months "actually put you out of business" because that's what's being proposed. We've passed the one month stage (in Oregon).