BajaNomad - NO BOATS... period.

Perhaps Mexico will have the benefit of what is starting to come to light in other countries like the US.

Exposure to UV light both surface and flesh may be beneficial to slowing down the life of CV-19. So a boat may be just the right place to be for humans.

Exposure to heat (summer temps coming) may also be a death blow to CV-19. So get outdoors in the dry sunshine.

Exposure to each other may have increased the growth of Anti-bodies in those who test positive and exhibit no symptoms. So perhaps socializing is now a benefit. And now large swaths of the population it is said may have those anti-bodies present.

Excellent. I encourage you and all like minded folks to get out and mingle. Hug your liberty loving patriotic bros.Just stay the f out my space.

mtgoat666 - 4-24-2020 at 07:56 AM

Ridiculous. I sure hope our local Mayors grow some huevos because this shut down is beyond stupid.

La Bocana has closed ALL boating activity... EXCEPT the Co-op run Oyster boats making their runs.

[Edited on 4-24-2020 by Feathers]

This is a fine rule given the need to implement public health measures quickly, and for a short period, w/o rule-making-time to survey the boating populace and adjust rules to make every user, cupcake and snowflake happy with the rule.
Once the public health measures are removed or re-evaluated and adjusted, you can go back to boating.
In mean time, seems like minor inconvenience to give up boating for a month or 2.

Let There be Light ?

MrBillM - 4-24-2020 at 08:53 AM

Personal exposure to UV light as an effective defense ?

Yeah, OK, sure.

That would mean that any virus already present on the skin, clothing or personal gear would be subject to rapid degradation.

Of course, IF it's already gotten there ................... OOPS !

Breaking news!

AKgringo - 4-24-2020 at 08:58 AM

Public nudity is now allowed to maximize exposure to natural UV radiation!

Alm - 4-24-2020 at 04:33 PM

How would one enforce commercial trips vs. someone taking "friends" out on a boat?

They could've specified "singe occupant except for essential services and commercial fishing fleet".

Banning kayaks is more ridiculous yet. They are solo, 99% of them.

Feathers - 4-24-2020 at 07:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm

How would one enforce commercial trips vs. someone taking "friends" out on a boat?

They could've specified "singe occupant except for essential services and commercial fishing fleet".

Banning kayaks is more ridiculous yet. They are solo, 99% of them.

I may have to give my kayak a spin.

surabi - 4-24-2020 at 10:56 PM

Exposure to each other may have increased the growth of Anti-bodies in those who test positive and exhibit no symptoms. So perhaps socializing is now a benefit. And now large swaths of the population it is said may have those anti-bodies present.

You are woefully ignorant. The presence of antibodies in no way means one is immune from the virus, nor that they can't infect others. Please don't advocate irresponsible behavior that puts people's lives at risk.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/17/who-issues-warning-on-corona...

BajaBlanca - 4-25-2020 at 05:05 AM

Feathers, we are SOOOO lucky! Great beaches for dogs and peeps.

paranewbi - 4-25-2020 at 05:05 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Paranoia is on that avocado someone touched before you or that tomato. And then watch out for those re-use bags your not allowed to bring with you anymore. The shopping cart handle will kill you for sure. And what of the silent gas that guy squeaked out walking in front of you, don't breat to deep through that mask! ...did you know Stanford has been asked to do a Covid study of a sampling of poo from the local sewage system?

Feathers - 4-25-2020 at 05:32 AM

Feathers, we are SOOOO lucky! Great beaches for dogs and peeps.

Yes, we are!!!

motoged - 4-25-2020 at 11:23 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Lol. You can't think for yourself, can you.

Read that article more closely, plus read another 100 different articles.

If you don't believe in antibodies ...

As you said earlier...."Dumbest chit ever"

While you are walking your mutt, encouraging folks to do whatever they want regardless of their effects on others, and asking everyone to plan your next outing..... you might consider a saying : "It's better to close your mouth and appear to be a fool than open it and remove all doubt".

Folks who have recovered from this virus are susceptible to reinfection..... an antibody "fail".....

I think it's a good thing for people to think for themselves....but also pay attention to the opposing information based on folks more experienced in that area. Maybe your sense of "freedom, rights, and rugged individualism" looks good on a Marlboro cigarette ad, but also may explain why Americans are dying from the virus at a greater rate than other areas of the planet. :light:

Lee - 4-25-2020 at 11:43 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

''Please don't advocate irresponsible behavior that puts people's lives at risk''

Some people might tell you to mind your own f'ing business.

JZ - 4-25-2020 at 12:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

The virus isn't going away. Distancing served the purpose of allowing the medical field to ramp up.

If .2 have to die to save 99.8, that's how it has to be. Good luck to you.

JZ - 4-25-2020 at 12:37 PM

That was the situation weeks ago. That's why no rational person could be opposed of shutting things down for a while.

Alm - 4-25-2020 at 01:16 PM

Exposure to UV light both surface and flesh may be beneficial to slowing down the life of CV-19. So a boat may be just the right place to be for humans.

Exposure to heat (summer temps coming) may also be a death blow to CV-19. So get outdoors in the dry sunshine.

Exposure to each other may have increased the growth of Anti-bodies in those who test positive and exhibit no symptoms. So perhaps socializing is now a benefit.

Not true. Once virus is in your body, UV doesn't matter. A boat full of people will only help spreading the disease. There is a limited evidence of benefits of sun UV-A and UV-B on virus lifespan anyway. To effectively disinfect objects there is UV-C light, it's used in automated equipment to disinfect buses, trains etc, extremely damaging to humans, robots are doing it.

The effect of heat is more vague yet. Definitely not a "death blow".

Having antibodies doesn't mean you're immune. It is not known what level of antibodies could ensure the immunity and for how long.

JZ - 4-25-2020 at 02:17 PM

Went to Thousand Oaks today. To a big bike shop to get a battery charger.

It was operating like nothing has happened. They never shut down and all their bikes were outside for sale. No one wearing a mask. Great to see.

In Ventura county there are 16 deaths out of a population of 850K.

[Edited on 4-25-2020 by JZ]

LancairDriver - 4-25-2020 at 02:59 PM

In Ventura county there are 16 deaths out of a population of 850K.

[Edited on 4-25-2020 by JZ][/rquote]

And how many previously had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal? I don’t think they are sorting them out in the statistics.

Feathers - 4-25-2020 at 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm

You may be a bit behind the curve, Aim. This is worth reading:

Here comes the Sun

https://pjmedia.com/trending/here-comes-the-sun-the-good-new...

JZ - 4-25-2020 at 03:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by LancairDriver

And how many previously had one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peal? I don’t think they are sorting them out in the statistics.

Lol, I'm gonna steal that line.

motoged - 4-25-2020 at 03:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Distancing served the purpose of allowing the medical field to ramp up.

If .2 have to die to save 99.8, that's how it has to be. Good luck to you.

That was only one function of distancing. Reducing the risk of transmission is clearly another. As it is currently impossible to identify those carrying the virus, and, as you say, it isn't going away. Isn't it common sense to reduce risk with the simplest method known to be effective? (rhetorical question)

I too look forward to the need for distancing being reduced.....and ideally eliminated. In the meantime, I hold the belief that distancing is respectful of self and other.

Namaste

bajabuddha - 4-25-2020 at 03:24 PM

The new Lincoln Project ad sez it all in a simple nutshell;

There are two groups of people in our Country right now. The first group are the Givers; the medical heroes on the front lines risking their lives so others might live. This includes the grocery workers, truckers and all others in harm's way to see people have their needs filled.

The second group are the takers; the "ME" group. They protest, they yell, they intimidate with fire arms, they demand only for themselves.

Which group are you in??

[Edited on 4-25-2020 by bajabuddha]

AKgringo - 4-25-2020 at 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajabuddha

The new Lincoln Group ad sez it all in a simple nutshell;

Which group are you in??

Pretty simple nutshell all right….It completely ignores the vast majority of us who are in neither group!

Alm - 4-25-2020 at 08:22 PM

This is worth reading:
Here comes the Sun

https://pjmedia.com/trending/here-comes-the-sun-the-good-new...

I would question the value of this reading.

There are more reliable sources with references to scientific journals.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200409/dont-count-on-warme....

To summarize, lab studies show "relationship" between sun/heat/humidity and CV-19. Population studies - not so much.

Feathers - 4-26-2020 at 06:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm

This is worth reading:
Here comes the Sun

https://pjmedia.com/trending/here-comes-the-sun-the-good-new...

We're talking about two different things. The transmission of the virus vs. the shelf life of the virus, itself.

"While reviewing the data, he (Bill Bryan, under secretary for Science and Technology at DHS) was clear about the study. Increased temperature, humidity and UV rays from the sun reduce the presence of the virus over minutes instead of hours or days."

BajaMama - 4-26-2020 at 07:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Lol. You can't think for yourself, can you.

Read that article more closely, plus read another 100 different articles.

If you don't believe in antibodies you should never talk on this Covid subject again.

Unfortunately, according to the WHO as of today, there is still NO evidence that people who have been infected and recovered are immune to re-infection. I find it hard to believe, but there ya go.

coconuts - 4-26-2020 at 08:27 AM

Isn't this thread about boats and boating in Baja????

WOW has everyone sure got off subject, AGAIN!!!

Anyway with that said, OH YEAH this thread is on boating in Baja.....Went out on a 55 ft out of San Jose del Cabo Friday as 1st mate. Capt wanted a licensed Captain to run the boat while he went in the water. El Capitan shot a real nice pargo. Also picked off a nice yellow fin on the way in. Real nice Sashimi!!!

Feathers - 4-26-2020 at 09:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by coconuts

Isn't this thread about boats and boating in Baja????

WOW has everyone sure got off subject, AGAIN!!!

Anyway with that said, OH YEAH this thread is on boating in Baja.....Went out on a 55 ft out of San Jose del Cabo Friday as 1st mate. Capt wanted a licensed Captain to run the boat while he went in the water. El Capitan shot a real nice pargo. Also picked off a nice yellow fin on the way in. Real nice Sashimi!!!

Lucky you! I wonder how that happened when all of our boats are beached.

coconuts - 4-26-2020 at 09:57 AM

"Feathers",

Yachts are much different than beach launched panga's with outboards. They need to be run and engines brought up to load. Port Captains throughout the world are or should be aware of that. Therefore a "workout" of a million dollar yacht is not out of the question. This is done so the yacht does not end up on the beach with yours.

BEFORE you go off about me putting down panga's, they have their place and they surely put 1000's of kilos of beautiful fish "in the box" every year. I love to fish off them. It's even easier in my book. But I get paid to run yachts.

I am just pointing out that the harbors are not locked down like North Korea or China or some have suggested on this site. At least we're talking Baja, not politics. Local authorities were well area of the purpose of the cruise.

coconuts - 4-26-2020 at 10:04 AM

Plus the Port Captain always likes a nice chunk of Atun.

Feathers - 4-26-2020 at 10:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by coconuts

Plus the Port Captain always likes a nice chunk of Atun.

Everyone's got to eat, I suppose... well, maybe not everyone.

[Edited on 4-26-2020 by Feathers]

Alm - 4-26-2020 at 10:31 AM

The endpoint that everybody should be interested in is the transmission to people. It's people that get sick, not a dumb boat.

What data, what sources, what study the undersecretary has reviewed is not known. The very terminology of these slides, i.e. "surface" VS "aerosol" is not a scientific level. More like a 7-grade level. I would guess it's on the president's level as well.

BajaBlanca - 4-26-2020 at 02:16 PM

Feathers - as we were taking our daily walk yesterday morning, I saw a boat with 2 people on it right out in front of our houses. What's up with that?

Feathers - 4-26-2020 at 02:19 PM

Feathers - as we were taking our daily walk yesterday morning, I saw a boat with 2 people on it right out in front of our houses. What's up with that?

Probably the vigilante.

BajaBlanca - 4-28-2020 at 03:37 AM

They don't usually go out during the day but perhaps it was them.

This has absolutely nothing to do with boats but some friends wanted to come over the other day, they live in Abreojos, and the police did NOT let them come into La Bocana.

Feathers - 4-28-2020 at 07:29 AM

They don't usually go out during the day but perhaps it was them.

This has absolutely nothing to do with boats but some friends wanted to come over the other day, they live in Abreojos, and the police did NOT let them come into La Bocana.

WOW. We use the ATM in Abre. I hope they don't return the favor!

Wherever you ARE ............. Do Your Part.

MrBillM - 4-28-2020 at 08:36 AM

I DO.

Having taken seriously the rules of behavior (masks, distancing, etc) structured by our membership campground in Poppet Flats and heeding their stated position that (due to limited enforcement personnel) they are dependent on the cooperation and vigilance of their membership to keep the facility open, as we follow those rules, we are reporting EVERY violation that we observe.

While I've been told to "MYOB" a couple of times and replied "it IS my business", I've been fairly successful. And, I'm sure appreciated.

Well, maybe, not so much by the scofflaws.

Work within the system to make the system work.

Hidden Franks

MrBillM - 4-28-2020 at 10:16 AM

Frankly, THAT is the kind of situation which calls for the Sergeant Shultz Solution:

"I KNOW NOTHING !"

Alm - 4-28-2020 at 12:26 PM

Back to the topic.

If you have to be "out there", be smart - get your flu shot. Yes, now if it's still available. And in the fall, since Cov-19 could come back again if we even manage to get rid of it this year. People who were recently vaccinated for viral and/or bacterial infectious diseases are less likely to become infected. An article submitted to LitCovid, a subgroup of PubMed if you are familiar with these databases: How to reduce the likelihood of infection.

They also suggest air purifiers and extensive use of UV lamps in hospitals. The search for effects of sun UV radiation and heat on Cov-19 fetched inconclusive results, I wouldn't bet on this - definitely doesn't outweigh social distancing and PPE.

msteve1014 - 5-8-2020 at 07:14 AM

The co-op is sending boats out to fish starting Monday.

Feathers - 5-8-2020 at 07:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by msteve1014

The co-op is sending boats out to fish starting Monday.

We started fishing this past Wednesday. Good times!

JZ - 5-13-2020 at 08:41 AM