BajaNomad - Corona virus in Vizcaino

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

A mechanic I know had an upset stomach yesterday, we think he just ate too much.

Sarcasm is adversarial. And unhelpful. What's your point?

His mom must have gone to the store for groceries and he's on her computer again. Just a little boy crying for attention.

John

bajatrailrider - 6-3-2020 at 07:17 AM

:bounce:

SFandH - 6-3-2020 at 08:06 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

A mechanic I know had an upset stomach yesterday, we think he just ate too much.

This is about the covid-19 pandemic, not the gluttony pandemic. Mouth coverings are effective in combatting both however.

wilderone - 6-3-2020 at 08:13 AM

Was curious about virus counts in Chiapas (one of my favorite travel destinations), and found this: (Some Mex. states not getting ahead of containment to say the least).

5/28/20:
Hundreds of people took to the streets in Venustiano Carranza, Chiapas, Wednesday night after rumors spread on social media that the government was trying to kill them.
Around midnight Wednesday and into the early hours of today, residents went on a rampage provoked by false reports that the municipal government was using drones to spray a deadly chemical at residents who do not believe that the coronavirus exists.
Angry mobs of citizens armed with sticks and stones looted an Elektra department store and burned down the home of Mayor Amando Trujillo Ancheyta, that of his in-laws, as well as the residence of Chiapas Governor Rutilio Escandón’s elderly mother, who escaped the blaze unharmed.
Streets were blocked off and vehicles belonging to medical personnel were looted and burned. The message disseminated on WhatsApp and Facebook said that a community member had shot down a drone and discovered it was carrying a box of white powder, said to be Paraquat, a highly toxic herbicide.
Some residents said that the mayor was using the herbicide to kill them, decried the existence of the coronavirus and believe that a local saint, “El Señor del Pozo,” would protect them from sickness, just as he is believed to have cured a woman of leprosy in the 1690s.

SFandH - 6-3-2020 at 08:24 AM

Yikes!

caj13 - 6-3-2020 at 08:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

This one time, I heard a guy had Corona Virus and he was singing at a jalapeño campesino and then another guy felt like he had cough and was tired afterwards.

6.2 million, 375,000.

sorry if those numbers get in the way of your personal agenda and beliefs. But no worries, those numbers change every day - right!

JZ - 6-3-2020 at 08:49 AM

It's not going to magically disappear. The sooner we get herd immunity the better.

Isolation only helps medical ppl get ready to care for the very few who won't recover naturally.

[Edited on 6-3-2020 by JZ]

msteve1014 - 6-3-2020 at 08:52 AM

Damit Blanca, why are you always stirring things up?? jajaja

Alm - 6-3-2020 at 09:52 AM

They need to be isolated as do everyone they have come in contact with.

Heard a doctor say on the news tonight that social distancing is the most effective way to stop the spread. Stay away from others as much as you can.

Frequent handwashing and wearing a mask if around others.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019]

The need to put food on the table overshadows everything else. Besides, the majority are ignorant and won't listen to any reasoning. 20% of Americans aged 25-35 still believe that the Earth is flat. The picture is not much better South of the border, those working on farms probably can't read, half of them.

elgatoloco - 6-3-2020 at 10:27 AM

This is about the covid-19 pandemic, not the gluttony pandemic. Mouth coverings are effective in combatting both however.

Its good to see people exploring options and inventing things to help. Hopefully they come out with foot operated option for those Yaqui Taco perrones that require two hands to eat. And ribs.

SFandH - 6-3-2020 at 10:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe

Mexicans must do their counts differently than we do. Check out the above link. Both the La Paz and Los Cabos municipalities have more recoveries than cases. How can that be? The only way to explain it is that they track active cases, not historical cases. That may explain why the cases in Mexico are so much lower than in the US. Actually, I just don't get it.

If they arrive at the numbers the same way each day/week, they will show trends.

motoged - 6-3-2020 at 11:38 AM

......Isolation only helps medical ppl get ready to care for the very few who won't recovery naturally.

Once upon a time in lands far away, large holes began to appear in the ground everywhere. At first people thought that the unusual occurrences were not going to continue, and certainly would not present any concerns for them....and that they would soon fill in over time....and , at worst, create an oddity that folks could theorize about for years to come.

However, the mysterious holes began to appear and get larger throughout all the lands... and it became evident that people were falling into these holes.....some were able to crawl out....some not.
It seemed that the elders who fell in the holes were dying more frequently than the younger people who fell. The physical fragility and vulnerability of the elders, some said, was unfortunate....but some rationalized the growing number of deaths would soon end and life would return to normal.

Before long, it became evident that the people from far and wide who managed to stay a good distance from these dangerous holes were not falling in and dying, or getting injured as seriously as some others who fell.

As the strange and mysterious holes began to appear throughout all the lands, people began to develop sensible as well as non-sensible theories about how to create safety and defend themselves from falling into these holes.

Rumours spread like a wildfire.....some suggested wearing certain amulets would protect them from falling, and some said that the holes were imaginary and people were simply dying from old age or their bad health. Some even suggested that eating dirt from the holes would prevent them from falling in.

Before long, it was suggested by some that staying away from the killing holes would reduce the chance of falling into any of these holes. This idea seemed sensible to most, while others were more focussed on who to blame for the holes appearing or even denying that the holes existed.

The hole-avoidance theory was making logical and statistical sense to most.....with some saying it was primarily intended to stop the event of falling into holes..... while others maintained it was okay to go near the holes, and that the hole-avoidance theory was only initiated to keep the healers and hospitals less busy .... and implying that once we all fell into the holes, most of us would recover from injuries and never fall into a hole again.....

So, as time went on, most people recognized that avoiding these dangerous holes by staying a healthy distance away from them was the strategy best applied to avoid the risks of harm to one's health....

Moral of story: Stay away from dangerous holes that can kill you....and others you take with you. Do it to protect yourself and those you care for. A tertiary benefit of hole-avoidance might be helping the healers with their workload....but the primary role of hole avoidance is to not fall into the holes .....

JZ - 6-3-2020 at 11:49 AM

TLDR

[Edited on 6-3-2020 by JZ]

Bob and Susan - 6-3-2020 at 12:42 PM

for us simpletons TLDR means "too long didnt read"

motoged - 6-3-2020 at 12:44 PM

TLDR
[Edited on 6-3-2020 by JZ]

ADHD

BajaBlanca - 6-3-2020 at 07:54 PM

Quote: Originally posted by msteve1014

Damit Blanca, why are you always stirring things up?? jajaja

HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Good one!

msteve1014 - 6-3-2020 at 09:11 PM

Im here for you.

pacificobob - 6-3-2020 at 09:34 PM

Too bad. You may have profited.

BajaBlanca - 6-4-2020 at 04:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Too bad. You may have profited.

?????

boe4fun - 6-4-2020 at 08:02 PM

GED, I knew a guy who had ADDHD - Attention Deficit Disorder with High Definition. He couldn’t concentrate one any one thing for too long, but when he could it would come in really clear!

shari - 6-5-2020 at 02:10 PM

one must be careful repeating what one hears...yesterday a friend from Vizcaino who knows Susie said she is off to Mexico city to deal with this issue....and that she said it wasnt so??? Who do we believe?

Many think the government is spreading rumours about the numbers and who is sick and what people die from etc....pretty hard to know what is true unless you hear it from the camels mouth...rumours abound.

People that were reported dying of covid....their family members are on social media saying they died of something else but it just gets added to the covid count.

SFandH - 6-5-2020 at 03:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari

I would be interested in what the doctors living in the area have to say.

[Edited on 6-5-2020 by SFandH]

BajaMama - 6-6-2020 at 06:52 AM

I think we are all going to see whether or not we should continue to socially distance ourselves in 4-14 days. The world wide protests will provide the answer. Did all of these large gatherings spread the virus to new epidemic levels with hospitals overrun, or have thousands of cases gone undetected and were asymptomatic and herd immunity has been attained? Who knows the answer. But as far as Baja is concerned, the spread of coronavirus is in it's infancy and will continue to spread and kill the vulnerable.

weebray - 6-6-2020 at 06:52 AM

Follow the money

SFandH - 6-6-2020 at 08:09 AM

Quote: Originally posted by shari

I would be interested in what the doctors living in the area have to say.

To expand upon this a bit. IMO, what you need to look for is the number of people who are getting pneumonia, which is what COVID-19 causes in severe cases. I've read that many illnesses/deaths in Mexico are being classified as pneumonia and are not being counted as COVID-19.

The breakout in China was first recognized by doctors who were treating an abnormally high number of patients with viral pneumonia. They knew something was amiss before anybody else

[Edited on 6-6-2020 by SFandH]

BajaMama - 6-6-2020 at 12:10 PM

I don't think we will truly know the impact of covid-19 until it passes into history. Until the W.H.O. can compare mortality data of previous years with mortality during the covid-19 pandemic. The excess death count will be the most accurate estimate. Right now we really have no idea since there is such a non-uniform method of deciding whether or not covid-19 was the cause of death.

JZ - 6-6-2020 at 12:28 PM

US hospitals get substantially more from Medicare for Covid-19 treatments.

For sure the US rates are being inflated.

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 6-6-2020 at 01:06 PM

US hospitals get substantially more from Medicad for Covid-19 care.

For sure the US rates are being inflated.

Jizz,
No one is going to believe you if you keep spouting nonsense conspiracy theories from right wingnut talk radio,... put up some credible proof.

AKgringo - 6-6-2020 at 01:07 PM

US hospitals get substantially more from Medicad for Covid-19 care.

For sure the US rates are being inflated.

Our local hospital got clobbered financially by the Covid quarantine! All routine non-emergency treatment was cancelled, and even the emergency room traffic was off 40% from normal activity.

Less than a dozen cases were treated in the empty hospital, and none in the last five weeks! They have resumed non-urgent care again, but have not gotten to the level to justify bringing back many laid off staff.

RocketJSquirrel - 6-6-2020 at 01:43 PM

I don't think we will truly know the impact of covid-19 until it passes into history. Until the W.H.O. can compare mortality data of previous years with mortality during the covid-19 pandemic. The excess death count will be the most accurate estimate. Right now we really have no idea since there is such a non-uniform method of deciding whether or not covid-19 was the cause of death.

I'm with BajaMaMa on this one.

People who pretend they know anything about this are just kidding themselves. Even top notch epidemiologists disagree. Let's let the experts sort it out - gather some long-term data - then the wisecrackers on the street can tell us "what they think". A year or two from now we may have a pretty good idea of what we did right and what we did wrong. Anything between now and then is naive posturing.

Meanwhile, keep your head down - just in case.

Lee - 6-6-2020 at 02:21 PM

I don't think we will truly know the impact of covid-19 until it passes into history. Until the W.H.O. can compare mortality data of previous years with mortality during the covid-19 pandemic.

Ah, you're curious about the impact. And WHO will have data to compare. Right.

WHO won't have data from Mexico because no data is being collected. Impact in Mexico? Time will tell.

JZ - 6-6-2020 at 09:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

That is true 100%. And to compensate from the lost of normal revenue, many, many hospitals have over stated the Covid-19 numbers to get more $'s from CARES and Medicare.

This whole thing was the biggest BS, over hype, in US history. Shut down should have been for a month in most places (longer in a few) to allow medical personnel to get ready.

The impact of the closure is way worse than the got damn virus.

My biz is fine. We got a bunch of money from the SBA PPP loan act. It is a 100% forgivable loan. Business has been fine.

I'm thinking about so many other ppl out there. And the long term impact.

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by JZ]

John Harper - 6-7-2020 at 04:45 AM

My biz is fine. We got a bunch of money from the SBA PPP loan act. It is a 100% forgivable loan. Business has been fine.

So, your business is now sucking off the government teat? Aren't you the cornhole that criticizes other members for receiving government checks?

John

BajaMama - 6-7-2020 at 07:25 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

I don't think we will truly know the impact of covid-19 until it passes into history. Until the W.H.O. can compare mortality data of previous years with mortality during the covid-19 pandemic.

Ah, you're curious about the impact. And WHO will have data to compare. Right.

WHO won't have data from Mexico because no data is being collected. Impact in Mexico? Time will tell.

I was discussing simple data regarding number of deaths only. Nothing covid-19 related. This is a number that is consistently recorded. Perhaps not perfectly in 3rd world countries, but collected none the less. The number of excess deaths will tell of the impact of covid-19. And even that will only be an estimate. It is how they determined number of deaths in past epidemics.

BajaMama - 6-7-2020 at 07:30 AM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

I have to agree with the previous post regarding hospital charges: show evidence that hospitals put patients w/o severe covid-19 symptom on ventilators for more medicare $ or you are no better than right winged radio hosts like Rush Limbough and Glen Beck spewing nonsense listening peeps will sadly think is the truth.

pauldavidmena - 6-7-2020 at 07:39 AM

George Washington University did a similar study of excess deaths to estimate the number of fatalities in Puerto Rico due to Hurricane Maria. In the absence of other reliable data, this might be the only way to estimate the mortality of COVID-19.

SFandH - 6-7-2020 at 08:17 AM

many, many hospitals have over stated the Covid-19 numbers to get more $'s from CARES and Medicare.

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by JZ]

From FactCheck.org:

Q: Are hospitals inflating the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths so they can be paid more?

A: Recent legislation pays hospitals higher Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients and treatment, but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-...

Bajazly - 6-7-2020 at 09:30 AM

My biz is fine. We got a bunch of money from the SBA PPP loan act. It is a 100% forgivable loan. Business has been fine.

So, your business is now sucking off the government teat? Aren't you the cornhole that criticizes other members for receiving government checks?

John

Yep, welfare is the scourge of the earth... unless it's doled out to those that don't need it then it's the greatest thing since cream cheese... just not called welfare per se.

motoged - 6-7-2020 at 09:32 AM

.....

My biz is fine. We got a bunch of money from the SBA PPP loan act. It is a 100% forgivable loan. Business has been fine.

I'm thinking about so many other ppl out there. And the long term impact....

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by JZ]

Jizz,
Your empathy for others has always impressed me....especially when you take time from your narcissistic posts about you and your dog to judge others and spread false information to justify your own actions.

My government pension (into which I have contributed over 45 years) is taxable.....and in no way is some form of free-loading as you have suggested.....but you are here now gloating over being on the dole.....WTF?

As pointed out in an earlier post, you present as a bit of a corn-hole.

There is a theory out there that applies to your logic....but it takes more than 20 seconds to access:

https://gem.cbc.ca/media/documentary-specials/episode-98/38e815a-01292c4ead3

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by motoged]

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by motoged]

JZ - 6-7-2020 at 10:15 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John

So, your business is now sucking off the government teat? Aren't you the cornhole that criticizes other members for receiving government checks?

John

The $'s go to the employees. So you don't lay anyone off.

Also, you missed the main point of my criticism. Motoged is sucking off the govt. tit AND telling everyone to stay home and not impact his life. Stated that he basically doesn't care how long the shutdown goes on or how it is crushing others. He's fine, and that's all that matters.

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by JZ]

JZ - 6-7-2020 at 10:53 AM

Proves what I said that hosptials get more $'s for providing Covid-19 care than other services. A good bit more. And also says they haven't caught them doing it "yet."

Ask anyone who works at a hospital. It's happening.

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by JZ]

BajaRat - 6-7-2020 at 11:04 AM

My biz is fine. We got a bunch of money from the SBA PPP loan act. It is a 100% forgivable loan. Business has been fine.

So, your business is now sucking off the government teat? Aren't you the cornhole that criticizes other members for receiving government checks?

John

UHUM

you got a bunch of printed fiat money that our children’s children will be on the hook for through inflation,
Thanks, when it comes to thinking about themselves first humans are rarely unpredictable :cool:

TedZark - 6-7-2020 at 11:09 AM

From FactCheck.org:

"but there is no evidence of fraudulent reporting."

Yet.

Whenever you read "There is no evidence" often that just means its not been looked into YET. Of course not, too recent.

motoged - 6-7-2020 at 11:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

There is a theory out there that applies to your logic....but it takes more than 20 seconds to access:

https://gem.cbc.ca/media/documentary-specials/episode-98/38e815a-01292c4ead3

Useless link for most of us:

"Your internet connection appears to not be located in Canada, you can not access CBC Gem due to rights issues."

That's a shame.... try this brief clip re: the theory....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtmxT0Rg1Nc

It is a light-hearted documentary..... :light:

Try logging into NFB site , register, and watch....
National Film Board

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John Harper - 6-7-2020 at 12:58 PM

The $'s go to the employees. So you don't lay anyone off.

My tax dollars go to pay your employees? I assume your paycheck is included as well?

Sounds like welfare to me.

John

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by John Harper]

TMW - 6-7-2020 at 01:21 PM

Everyone in the USA that filed taxes the last two years got paid. I got my $2400 and I put it to good use helping the economy.

JZ - 6-7-2020 at 01:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Everyone in the USA that filed taxes the last two years got paid. I got my $2400 and I put it to good use helping the economy.

Wife and I didn't get anything.

Howard - 6-7-2020 at 01:50 PM

Not everyone received the stimulus $. If a single person made over a certain amount (Your AGI) which I believe was around $99,000 you received nada.

Paco Facullo - 6-7-2020 at 02:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaRat

UHUM

you got a bunch of printed fiat money that our children’s children will be on the hook for through inflation,

Not to worry as the dollar will nothing by then... Buy Bitcoin ! ( SO kidding )

Now Gold and Silver , maybe so...

SFandH - 6-7-2020 at 02:25 PM

Wife and I didn't get anything.

That depends on whether you intend to pay back that 100% forgivable "loan". :cool:

Under what conditions can it be forgiven?

lencho,

see: https://www.google.com/search?q=ppp+loan+forgiveness

note that the rules changed a couple of days ago

JZ - 6-7-2020 at 02:45 PM

Under what conditions can it be forgiven?

Original rules were it had to be spent at least 75% on paying employees and you had to keep basically the same number of employees as before the pandemic. 25% can be used on leases and a few other expenses. Had 8 weeks to spend it. A lot of companies already went through the 8 weeks, and adhered to this.

At the end of last week they expanded it to 20+ weeks to spend the money and 60% minimum has to go to employees.

Do those things and it is 100% forgivable. The goal is to help small businesses keep all their employees employed.

[Edited on 6-7-2020 by JZ]

norte - 6-7-2020 at 07:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by shari

one must be careful repeating what one hears...yesterday a friend from Vizcaino who knows Susie said she is off to Mexico city to deal with this issue....and that she said it wasnt so??? Who do we believe?

Many think the government is spreading rumours about the numbers and who is sick and what people die from etc....pretty hard to know what is true unless you hear it from the camels mouth...rumours abound.

People that were reported dying of covid....their family members are on social media saying they died of something else but it just gets added to the covid count.

Seems she might be off to Mexico City to explain why she brought in sick workers when there is a shutdown of BCS. From the news. "Se confirma brote COVID 19 en campo agrícola del Vizcaíno.

Al momento se han confirmado a nueve trabajadores de un campo agrícola con su residencia en el valle del Vizcaíno, ya se trabaja en el cerco epidémiologico, por otro lado se esta valorando que el hospital del IMSS en Gro Negro se reconvierta en su totalidad a una clínica COVID 19.

COVID 19 outbreak is confirmed in agricultural field of Vizcaino."

John Harper - 6-7-2020 at 07:26 PM

At the end of last week they expanded it to 20+ weeks to spend the money and 60% minimum has to go to employees.

So 60% goes to employees, but they are taxed on that as income.

The other 40% is now tax free to your company? Not classified as revenue for tax purposes but as a "forgivable" loan? And you can still write off payroll, lease expenses, etc. against revenue? Expenses paid for with that tax free money? Which actually reduces your corporate taxes as a result?

Damn, what a deal. Free taxpayer money and reduced corporate taxes.

Who says Republicans hate welfare?

John

[Edited on 6-8-2020 by John Harper]

mtgoat666 - 6-7-2020 at 09:12 PM

At the end of last week they expanded it to 20+ weeks to spend the money and 60% minimum has to go to employees.

So 60% goes to employees, but they are taxed on that as income.

The other 40% is now tax free to your company? Not classified as revenue for tax purposes but as a "forgivable" loan? And you can still write off lease expenses, etc. against revenue? Expenses paid for with that tax free money? Which actually reduces your corporate taxes as a result?

Damn, what a deal. Free taxpayer money and reduced corporate taxes.

John

[Edited on 6-8-2020 by John Harper]

They are very nice loans if you are in a biz that did not experience a slowdown or had low/little nonbillable labor costs during then trump2020 recession...
Or a biz that would have willingly carried employees over a slow period, but govt gave you free money so you did not have to carry costs yourself...
The forgivable loans are in some cases much, much nicer than the relatively small individual stimulus checks that are only given to those with income less than $99k

I am Amused that the GOP professes to be anti-socialism, But they sure do like going on the dole for the trump2020 recession freebies!
Like the GOP says, Socialism is great when you are rich, bad when you are poor :lol:

Bajazly - 6-8-2020 at 08:30 AM

If...

My biz is fine...
...Business has been fine.

Then...

Why did the tax payers need to give you a bunch of free money?

Pacifico - 6-8-2020 at 09:09 AM

What I am trying to figure out is the ethical thing to do with those stimulus checks which most of us here didn't need nor apply for. Question for each individual's conscience. :smug:

Interesting thought....I guess one would just not have to cash it and shred it if they desired. I wonder how many noble people did this? Did you get one, Lencho?

After paying hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxes over a lifetime, why would anyone not take the small pittance?

BajaMama - 6-8-2020 at 10:10 AM

All of this nonsense about putting medicare patients on ventilators just to get more money was started by a Minnesota republican being interviewed on Fox News. By that alone, you can assume it is just his opinion with no facts to back up his words. That is how Fox news works. Opinions, NEVER facts.

BajaMama - 6-8-2020 at 10:12 AM

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Everyone in the USA that filed taxes the last two years got paid. I got my $2400 and I put it to good use helping the economy.

Wife and I didn't get anything.

We didn't either and we both know the reason for that. Poor, poor us (insert sarcasm here).

SFandH - 6-8-2020 at 11:33 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Bajazly

Why did the tax payers need to give you a bunch of free money?

It's only taxpayer subsidy if he doesn't pay back the loan. Hold off on the lynching till then. :lol:

What I am trying to figure out is the ethical thing to do with those stimulus checks which most of us here didn't need nor apply for. Question for each individual's conscience. :smug:

I'm going to be charitable and help out the Mexican economy. This fall when we go back to BCS I'll buy pesos and spend them in bars and restaurants, and leave hefty tips.

AKgringo - 6-8-2020 at 11:45 AM

I intend to split my wind fall check between Alaska Airlines, and small local businesses. Box stores have done just fine, so non of them need my business for a while!

elgatoloco - 6-8-2020 at 05:10 PM

I own a small business since 1981. My business is off by about 50% since March 1st. My company applied for PPP the 2nd time it was offered and we were grateful to get the funds and wouldn't hesitate to do so again. I was able to keep 6 people off unemployment and maybe welfare. One of them has worked for me for 21 years. They still have healthcare that we pay for and they are paying their rent, buying diapers for their babies, putting food on the table, paying the light bill, making the car payment, and so forth because the wife and I did not have to lay them off due to lack of enough work and no money to make payroll.

In 39 years of business there have been times where I have lost sleep wondering how I was going to make payroll. That worry is not keeping me up nights lately. There are still challenges ahead for many businesses including mine but right now we are OK.

Not all businesses were able to get help. I wish they could.

"Consumer spending composes about two-thirds of US GDP, which makes jobs, incomes, and consumer confidence vitally important for economic recovery. With higher unemployment than at any time since the Great Depression, and 22 million net jobs lost in March and April, the hit to consumers’ spending power evident in recent economic data might have been significant.

But stimulus efforts helped plug the hole, including direct checks to individuals, unemployment benefits, and financial support for businesses to help them keep employees on their payrolls.

JZ - 6-8-2020 at 05:43 PM

We keep very detailed records on the spend. Setup a separate bank account, etc. In our case, the CFO has it forecast to go 91% to employee payroll.

[Edited on 6-9-2020 by JZ]

BajaMama - 6-9-2020 at 08:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Pacifico

What I am trying to figure out is the ethical thing to do with those stimulus checks which most of us here didn't need nor apply for. Question for each individual's conscience. :smug:

My son matched his $1,200 and donated $2,400 to worthy causes.

BajaBlanca - 6-9-2020 at 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Pacifico