Junípero Serra statues

This time in San Francisco

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Racist history and current practices are sure getting the attention long overdue, as you well know, Ken. I am sure some Nomads will come to the rescue of their pigeon roosts with their form of logic and rationalizing.

"Modern Controversy"

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca

I debated back and forth quite a while about removal of the Statues. Part of me considered them ART as well as HISTORY but as we educate ourselves about the truth behind the folks the statues represent, it becomes crystal clear that some figures simply do not deserve to be venerated. Do not deserve to have public monies spent to preserve them. Of course history cannot be erased but this is a chance for us to right some wrongs.

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

A memorial to the Jews who died in the holocaust was toppled last night in San Diego. Do we want to forget that 'history'?

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   A memorial to the Jews who died in the holocaust was toppled last night in San Diego. Do we want to forget that 'history'? Where/when did this happen in San Diego? Can’t find anything in the news. But does sound like something that would happen in Klantee, or most anywhere in East County for that matter [Edited on 6-22-2020 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by BajaBlanca

I debated back and forth quite a while about removal of the Statues. Part of me considered them ART as well as HISTORY but as we educate ourselves about the truth behind the folks the statues represent, it becomes crystal clear that some figures simply do not deserve to be venerated. Do not deserve to have public monies spent to preserve them. Of course history cannot be erased but this is a chance for us to right some wrongs.

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

[/rquote] It is unfortunate to lose the aesthetic aspect. Perhaps names could be removed and the statues left standing simply for the aesthetics.

You are joking..... aren't you ...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/us/new-york-theodore-roosevelt-statue-removal-trnd/index.html

[Edited on 6-22-2020 by motoged]

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH   [/rquote] It is unfortunate to lose the aesthetic aspect. Perhaps names could be removed and the statues left standing simply for the aesthetics. You are joking..... aren't you ... https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/22/us/new-york-theodore-roosevelt-statue-removal-trnd/index.html [Edited on 6-22-2020 by motoged]

My opinion was expressed at beginning of this thread.

Ethnic bigotry, hate, the notions of slavery and white privilege are distasteful to me. I learned as a child that these ways of thinking and behaving are simply wrong.

It is a very short conversation.

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

My opinion was expressed at beginning of this thread. Ethnic bigotry, hate, the notions of slavery and white privilege are distasteful to me. I learned as a child that these ways of thinking and behaving are simply wrong. It is a very short conversation.

Quote: Originally posted by ncampion

I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. Explain to me how destroying public property makes life better for any of the "oppressed" people who live in the US? In fact, explain to me exactly how these people are oppressed.

Don't hide behind "I am confused" BS..... your opinion and position is clear.

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

Quote: Originally posted by motoged   In fact, explain to me exactly how these people are oppressed.

Quote: Originally posted by ncampion

I'm sorry, I'm a little confused. Explain to me how destroying public property makes life better for any of the "oppressed" people who live in the US? In fact, explain to me exactly how these people are oppressed.

Quote: Originally posted by ncampion

In fact, explain to me exactly how these people are oppressed.

Obsession with Oppression ?

Quote: Originally posted by MrBillM

Being someone who is a 100-percent descendant of European (mainly Irish/English) adventurism, sitting by the pool just this afternoon after a long swim, I was sipping a soda, listening to '60s folk/rock (doing a crossword puzzle) while reflecting upon and weighing the results brought about by centuries of systematic oppressive racism and .................... Just Kidding. Didn't give it a thought. Feeling NO guilt here. It's OK for the rest of you to feel bad for what your antecedents (and YOU ?) did, though. Self-Flagellate all you want.

Color Me Confused ?

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

this is a weird forum some cool Baja info - as long as you keep the map maker out of politics some inspiring explorers some stunning photographers/video makers some wonderful personalities - kind, generous, heartwarming but also a lot of abrasive old farts who want to be right (wing) to be fair, the lefties seem to be much mellower maybe the Davids need to learn surfing OK - shoot me now

A New Wave of Great Philosophers Statuary ?

some of you may be fond of junipero serra.
you can buy statues online, and put them in your garden to join your menagerie of garden gnomes.
this one is only $61:



[Edited on 6-24-2020 by BajaNomad]

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

If it wasn't for the explorers be they slave owners or not none of us would be here.

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

If it wasn't for the explorers be they slave owners or not none of us would be here. While George Washington and other founders did own slaves one must ask them self was forming a new country called the United States a good thing that over rides everything else about them. All men and women have their good and bad traits. If you want to go to the extreme maybe burn the constitution and start over. In today's climate how far would we get.

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by TMW   If it wasn't for the explorers be they slave owners or not none of us would be here. Speak for yourself, Tom. If Dad would have been born in a hospital, my brothers and I would have had our tribal number.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

History happened, learn and grow from it... Don't pretend it didn't happen, or burn it, or tear it down... it still happened and the violence manufactured for the CNN tv camera's benefit is doing none of us any good. What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by current standards it must be destroyed? How is this any different than the N-zi book burnings? If a statue is honestly so offensive to today's youth (really sad), then there is a legal process to removing them WITHOUT VIOLENCE.

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by David K   History happened, learn and grow from it... Don't pretend it didn't happen, or burn it, or tear it down... it still happened and the violence manufactured for the CNN tv camera's benefit is doing none of us any good. What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by current standards it must be destroyed? How is this any different than the N-zi book burnings? If a statue is honestly so offensive to today's youth (really sad), then there is a legal process to removing them WITHOUT VIOLENCE. These statues are public venerations of devils. Tear them down! The legal process put up the statues of the evil people, don’t trust the legal process to reverse their evil decisions. When people wake up and realize that white men put up statues to honor white supremacists, it is time for minorities to rip down the evil symbols of white supremacy. [Edited on 6-25-2020 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   Quote: Originally posted by David K   History happened, learn and grow from it... Don't pretend it didn't happen, or burn it, or tear it down... it still happened and the violence manufactured for the CNN tv camera's benefit is doing none of us any good. What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by current standards it must be destroyed? How is this any different than the N-zi book burnings? If a statue is honestly so offensive to today's youth (really sad), then there is a legal process to removing them WITHOUT VIOLENCE. These statues are public venerations of devils. Tear them down! The legal process put up the statues of the evil people, don’t trust the legal process to reverse their evil decisions. When people wake up and realize that white men put up statues to honor white supremacists, it is time for minorities to rip down the evil symbols of white supremacy. [Edited on 6-25-2020 by mtgoat666] You sure are a hateful piece of work, Goat

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke   Quote: Originally posted by TMW   If it wasn't for the explorers be they slave owners or not none of us would be here. Speak for yourself, Tom. If Dad would have been born in a hospital, my brothers and I would have had our tribal number. Ken, can you please explain this?

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Racist history and current practices are sure getting the attention long overdue, as you well know, Ken. I am sure some Nomads will come to the rescue of their pigeon roosts with their form of logic and rationalizing.

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco

Well, that could have been handled better. Not much Baja travel discussion on this thread. NEXT.

Quote: Originally posted by del mar

Quote: Originally posted by Tioloco   Well, that could have been handled better. Not much Baja travel discussion on this thread. NEXT. probably why its under "baja political forum"

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

Some people like to use the race card and call others racist at the drop of a hat. That's one reason why there will never be any real discussion about race. 5,10,20 years down the road nothing will have changed and we'll still have this same discussion.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

What? I don't use color as a judgement and you know that. You have always related to me that you were harassed at the border and by police because you were black. That was you telling me. Now, I don't recall any San Quintin talk when we last met, but if you said you got stopped and didn't know why, it would have been natural for me to remind you, what YOU said... that you get harassed for being black. We took a lot of happy photos before our goodbyes. Doug can verify that there was no uncool talking either. Finally, if I did upset you, why not reach out to me rather than bring this up here on the forum. We have been friends for 20 years. Color or politics are not a reason I use for friendship determination. Finally, if I did hurt your feelings unintentionally, then I apologized sincerely. I value friendships and would come to your defence any day.

Quote: Originally posted by TMW

...5,10,20 years down the road nothing will have changed and we'll still have this same discussion.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by current standards it must be destroyed?

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP

The public call out by Mr Cooke was uncalled for and cowardly.

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP

The public call out by Mr Cooke was uncalled for and cowardly.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by David K   What are you teaching your children... that if history was uncomfortable by current standards it must be destroyed? slavery must have been very uncomfortable indeed

Quote: Originally posted by del mar

Quote: Originally posted by DouglasP   The public call out by Mr Cooke was uncalled for and cowardly. bullchit! it takes a lot of courage to call out a long time friend when you know he's wrong, who ever he is. kudo's to Ken

Quote: Originally posted by Lee

.... Some things from the past are best left forgotten.

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

i have never seen any monuments in germany glorifying its darkest chapter....however the average german is well aware of what took place.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

There is always another side of history that gets shelved if it doesn't fit the narrative. It should be good to know more than one: How Spain ended genocide in America: https://www.outono.net/elentir/2017/10/12/spain-did-not-comm...

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by Lee   Quote: Originally posted by David K   There is always another side of history that gets shelved if it doesn't fit the narrative. It should be good to know more than one: How Spain ended genocide in America: https://www.outono.net/elentir/2017/10/12/spain-did-not-comm... Lost me at first line: Myths repeated esp. by far-left. Oh OK. Reads like bias, smells like bias. OK with you, David? It is simply an article I saw that provides additional history that the current PC bunch maybe would rather keep buried. I have no opinion on either version (Spanish were good or Spanish were bad). I just like reading and seeing all kinds of history. It makes traveling that much more interesting. The fact is history happened. You can learn from it or you can be offended by it, the choice is yours. I just hope the choice isn't taken away from us.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

There is always another side of history that gets shelved if it doesn't fit the narrative. It should be good to know more than one: Ho

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Quote: Originally posted by Lee   Quote: Originally posted by David K   There is always another side of history that gets shelved if it doesn't fit the narrative. It should be good to know more than one: How Spain ended genocide in America: https://www.outono.net/elentir/2017/10/12/spain-did-not-comm... Lost me at first line: Myths repeated esp. by far-left. Oh OK. Reads like bias, smells like bias. OK with you, David? It is simply an article I saw that provides additional history that the current PC bunch maybe would rather keep buried. I have no opinion on either version (Spanish were good or Spanish were bad). I just like reading and seeing all kinds of history. It makes traveling that much more interesting. The fact is history happened. You can learn from it or you can be offended by it, the choice is yours. I just hope the choice isn't taken away from us.

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi

Quote: Originally posted by David K   Quote: Originally posted by Lee   Quote: Originally posted by David K   There is always another side of history that gets shelved if it doesn't fit the narrative. It should be good to know more than one: How Spain ended genocide in America: https://www.outono.net/elentir/2017/10/12/spain-did-not-comm... Lost me at first line: Myths repeated esp. by far-left. Oh OK. Reads like bias, smells like bias. OK with you, David? It is simply an article I saw that provides additional history that the current PC bunch maybe would rather keep buried. I have no opinion on either version (Spanish were good or Spanish were bad). I just like reading and seeing all kinds of history. It makes traveling that much more interesting. The fact is history happened. You can learn from it or you can be offended by it, the choice is yours. I just hope the choice isn't taken away from us. DK, Your dealing with minds that can't or won't see a meta-narrative to the human species. They live with the idea that there is nothing to live for. Their view is to erase what was before them while they 'live to do good for the benefit of those that come after' and then their gone, so that those they did good for, can live with no thought of them. Eventually all of that effort on their part, is morphed into what those that came after, think 'good' is. Which produces what's called self-righteousness. Each becomes their own gods and worship at the alter of their selves in series. They fail to see the 'progression' of anything because they have destroyed what they have progressed from...or they hide it from whom they leave progression to. The end result is no progression at all. And that means there is an end. Which is what they claim they are trying to avoid. They are what they deny = bigots

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Why does the left feel it needs to be a nanny and have more rights that the rest of the population?

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob   i have never seen any monuments in germany glorifying its darkest chapter....however the average german is well aware of what took place. Watch this, it's about how Germany handles its shameful past. They certainly don't glorify it with statues of the villains nor hide it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phgwn8J-TvM [Edited on 6-26-2020 by SFandH] [Edited on 6-26-2020 by SFandH]

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by paranewbi   Quote: Originally posted by David K   Quote: Originally posted by Lee   Quote: Originally posted by David K   There is always another side of history that gets shelved if it doesn't fit the narrative. It should be good to know more than one: How Spain ended genocide in America: https://www.outono.net/elentir/2017/10/12/spain-did-not-comm... Lost me at first line: Myths repeated esp. by far-left. Oh OK. Reads like bias, smells like bias. OK with you, David? It is simply an article I saw that provides additional history that the current PC bunch maybe would rather keep buried. I have no opinion on either version (Spanish were good or Spanish were bad). I just like reading and seeing all kinds of history. It makes traveling that much more interesting. The fact is history happened. You can learn from it or you can be offended by it, the choice is yours. I just hope the choice isn't taken away from us. DK, Your dealing with minds that can't or won't see a meta-narrative to the human species. They live with the idea that there is nothing to live for. Their view is to erase what was before them while they 'live to do good for the benefit of those that come after' and then their gone, so that those they did good for, can live with no thought of them. Eventually all of that effort on their part, is morphed into what those that came after, think 'good' is. Which produces what's called self-righteousness. Each becomes their own gods and worship at the alter of their selves in series. They fail to see the 'progression' of anything because they have destroyed what they have progressed from...or they hide it from whom they leave progression to. The end result is no progression at all. And that means there is an end. Which is what they claim they are trying to avoid. They are what they deny = bigots So you 2 like your historical fiction story supporting your notion that the Aztecs were bad, and the Spanish were good, and it was right for Spain to crush Aztecs? Dk and paranewbi are the type that lend credence to Holocaust deniers and other politically-warped and morally reprehensible history revisionists.

Quote: Originally posted by academicanarchist

There are several Serra statues in Mexico. One is located in the San Fernando Church in Mexico City. The church is what remains of the Apostolic College of San Fernando that Serra was affiliated with, and that administered the California missions. The second is in the Founders square in Querétaro in front of the Apostolic College of Santa Cruz. It is next to a statue of Antonio Margil de Jesús, who was a missionary affiliated with Santa Cruz and who was on missions in Texas. In my academic writings I have documented the patterns of social control on the California missions and the demographic consequences of the congregation of indigenous peoples on the missions. It was not a pretty picture. At the same time I don’t agree with removing statues. In my view it makes more sense to commission new statues that highlight the indigenous history of California to go alongside the Serra statues.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Sad that you fear knowledge or don't trust people to have enough intelligence to form opinions with all the facts (and fantasies) of the past. Who are you to tell me what I can read or what statues I can look at? Why does the left feel it needs to be a nanny and have more rights that the rest of the population?

David,
Pardon me, but I think your slip is showing ....

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

I noticed a pattern "I have no opinion on either version..." "There is good and bad on both sides." All the while feeding you right wing stories I respect people who declare to be proud N-zis. I don't like what they peddle, but I respect it. It takes balls to stand up for something. Those other guys, trying to blend in while promoting N-zi stuff, are the lowest form of cowards I have ever experienced.

Well, Harald, we may both be on thin ice here...... .... but.....:

I sort of understand the bit about respecting folks who state their ideological position clearly and don't waffle about it. However, when their ideological stance is so effed up that it defies basic humanistic values.....what is there to respect?

I have seen the numbers tattooed on some of my relative's arms (Dachau and Austwich (SP?) ). I can't find a molecule of respect for those who proudly used the swastika and extreme racism to try to propel their inhumanity and domination over millions of dead.

Maybe I misinterpreted your comment....I sure hope so.

Meanwhile, A Lighter Moment Back at the Protest ...............

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Maybe I misinterpreted your comment....I sure hope so.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

What? I don't use color as a judgement and you know that. You have always related to me that you were harassed at the border and by police because you were black. That was you telling me. Now, I don't recall any San Quintin talk when we last met, but if you said you got stopped and didn't know why, it would have been natural for me to remind you, what YOU said... that you get harassed for being black. We took a lot of happy photos before our goodbyes. Doug can verify that there was no uncool talking either. Finally, if I did upset you, why not reach out to me rather than bring this up here on the forum. We have been friends for 20 years. Color or politics are not a reason I use for friendship determination. Finally, if I did hurt your feelings unintentionally, then I apologized sincerely. I value friendships and would come to your defence any day.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by motoged   Maybe I misinterpreted your comment....I sure hope so. all related to today's wimps. No connection to the 1930's My dad went to prison for opposing the nuts back then. And I am all for flushing out the rebirth of that brown ideology. I had an airbnb guest recently gloating about removing Jews, women, masons etc - I made him leave.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Barry, I hope that Ken and I will reconnect once this crazy time is past. Thanks for your concern and friendship. Ken and I have been friends for 20 years, camped together several times, and there is never a situation where skin color or political differences changed my feelings for him.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

What? I don't use color as a judgement and you know that. You have always related to me that you were harassed at the border and by police because you were black. That was you telling me. Now, I don't recall any San Quintin talk when we last met, but if you said you got stopped and didn't know why, it would have been natural for me to remind you, what YOU said... that you get harassed for being black. We took a lot of happy photos before our goodbyes. Doug can verify that there was no uncool talking either. Finally, if I did upset you, why not reach out to me rather than bring this up here on the forum. We have been friends for 20 years. Color or politics are not a reason I use for friendship determination. Finally, if I did hurt your feelings unintentionally, then I apologized sincerely. I value friendships and would come to your defence any day.

Quote: Originally posted by Ken Cooke

Quote: Originally posted by David K   What? I don't use color as a judgement and you know that. You have always related to me that you were harassed at the border and by police because you were black. That was you telling me. Now, I don't recall any San Quintin talk when we last met, but if you said you got stopped and didn't know why, it would have been natural for me to remind you, what YOU said... that you get harassed for being black. We took a lot of happy photos before our goodbyes. Doug can verify that there was no uncool talking either. Finally, if I did upset you, why not reach out to me rather than bring this up here on the forum. We have been friends for 20 years. Color or politics are not a reason I use for friendship determination. Finally, if I did hurt your feelings unintentionally, then I apologized sincerely. I value friendships and would come to your defence any day. You're mistaken, David. On February 1st when I was speaking with you, Doug Means, John Marnell and my wife you made the odd comment, "Because you are BLACK?" When I was bringing up a Police stop in San Quintín that had nothing to do with 'Driving while Black'. Then, there was the odd comment about you asking if I was a drug dealer? Where do you make this stuff up? Are you okay?

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by David K   Barry, I hope that Ken and I will reconnect once this crazy time is past. Thanks for your concern and friendship. Ken and I have been friends for 20 years, camped together several times, and there is never a situation where skin color or political differences changed my feelings for him. this is a classic, David! Knowingly or not - you hurt Ken. It is the hardest thing among friends to say "You hurt me!" Ken did. So it must have been pretty serious. And your response? YOUR feelings towards him. This is in line with my police friends. Their response to the complaints and concerns from BLM? They wanna talk about their hurt feelings. If we don't learn to take the hurt of others seriously, we are in trouble.

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Feeling "hurt" by the comments of those we KNOW are friends and not intending to "hurt you" is an emotion and a choice you make. Most of the problems in this world are caused by those who emotionally "feel hurt" and lash out like a young child. THAT is what my close-friends, Family, and schools have always taught me, anyway, and has always made sense to me. .

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.   Feeling "hurt" by the comments of those we KNOW are friends and not intending to "hurt you" is an emotion and a choice you make. Most of the problems in this world are caused by those who emotionally "feel hurt" and lash out like a young child. THAT is what my close-friends, Family, and schools have always taught me, anyway, and has always made sense to me. . Just curious. How do I interpret your use of quotes around the word hurt?

Quote: Originally posted by David K

Ken, you sit on this hurt for over four months then blast me on Nomad during this crazy riot period? Why didn't you confront me then or soon after?

This weekend in Riverside

Back to the thread.

I found this posting on Facebook by photographer Kurt Miller of Riverside's Mt. Rubidoux. I was told that this cross has a plaque dedicating this landmark to Junipero Serra. I learned that this cross was repainted and no longer displays these messages. But, here they are.

Quote: Originally posted by David K

What more do you want from me? ....

David,
A simple and unconditional apology initially would have been appropriate.....

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Quote: Originally posted by David K   What more do you want from me? .... David, A simple and unconditional apology initially would have been appropriate.....

I never called you any such thing. Maybe the cops thought you were a drug dealer, I know you are not.
I respect that you are a special-ed teacher and that you like to take people to Baja... in addition to the times we camped together on Shell Island twice and then Pole Line Road and Guadalupe Canyon, too.

We all took photos of each other and your Jeep... Leidys hugged me as we said goodbyes... There was no hate, no anger, no shock... and absolutely nothing other than friendship for you. I can post the photos again. Doug Means and I had no discussion of anything like that being said during our drive back south, either.

I apologized, more than once... it is posted above... do you not accept that and want to toss 20 years of friendship away? As I said, what more do you want from me?

This was the last photo taken before we all departed... no anger, no hurt, no disgust, and not a word from a friend telling me I hurt his feelings or was rude/ racist/ a creep for saying such things... not a word for almost five months.




[Edited on 6-29-2020 by David K]

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I never called you any such thing. Maybe the cops thought you were a drug dealer, I know you are not. I respect that you are a special-ed teacher and that you like to take people to Baja... in addition to the times we camped together on Shell Island twice and then Pole Line Road and Guadalupe Canyon, too. We all took photos of each other and your Jeep... Leidys hugged me as we said goodbyes... There was no hate, no anger, no shock... and absolutely nothing other than friendship for you. I can post the photos again. Doug Means and I had no discussion of anything like that being said during our drive back south, either. I apologized, more than once... it is posted above... do you not accept that and want to toss 20 years of friendship away? As I said, what more do you want from me? This was the last photo taken before we all departed... no anger, no hurt, no disgust, and not a word from a friend telling me I hurt his feelings or was rude/ racist/ a creep for saying such things... not a word for almost five months. [Edited on 6-29-2020 by David K]

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

Quote: Originally posted by David K   I never called you any such thing. Maybe the cops thought you were a drug dealer, I know you are not. I respect that you are a special-ed teacher and that you like to take people to Baja... in addition to the times we camped together on Shell Island twice and then Pole Line Road and Guadalupe Canyon, too. We all took photos of each other and your Jeep... Leidys hugged me as we said goodbyes... There was no hate, no anger, no shock... and absolutely nothing other than friendship for you. I can post the photos again. Doug Means and I had no discussion of anything like that being said during our drive back south, either. I apologized, more than once... it is posted above... do you not accept that and want to toss 20 years of friendship away? As I said, what more do you want from me? This was the last photo taken before we all departed... no anger, no hurt, no disgust, and not a word from a friend telling me I hurt his feelings or was rude/ racist/ a creep for saying such things... not a word for almost five months. [Edited on 6-29-2020 by David K] photographic evidence of love for all! well...maybe not progressives [Edited on 6-29-2020 by pacificobob]

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Feeling "hurt" by the comments of those we KNOW are friends and not intending to "hurt you" is an emotion and a choice you make. Most of the problems in this world are caused by those who emotionally "feel hurt" and lash out like a young child. THAT is what my close-friends, Family, and schools have always taught me, anyway, and has always made sense to me. .

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.

Most Progressives mean well, I will give you that, but they are so clueless of how things work in the world of human beings. As a Career Cop I learned that along the way. [Edited on 6-29-2020 by Barry A.]

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.   Feeling "hurt" by the comments of those we KNOW are friends and not intending to "hurt you" is an emotion and a choice you make. Most of the problems in this world are caused by those who emotionally "feel hurt" and lash out like a young child. THAT is what my close-friends, Family, and schools have always taught me, anyway, and has always made sense to me. . anyone who has ever expressed difficult emotions will probably appreciate your lecture on how to display/express those emotions best.

There is a simple word for .................

Serra article from the San Jose Mercury