BajaNomad - Virus cases have more than doubled in Baja Sur since reopening

Virus cases have more than doubled in Baja Sur since reopening

Russ - 6-23-2020 at 04:22 AM

Be carefull out there!
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/coronavirus/virus-cases-hav...

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 06:01 AM

Case info is not credible, nor relevant, they report any call, visit as suspected case. The same person can be reported over and over. Allergies can be considered suspicious for COVID19.

While at this point in the flu season, practically everyone has been exposed to all flu like viruses, the number of suspected infections could easily be be practically all people.

It's not relevant how many cases are reported, its like saying people are reporting doubling numbers of common cold, time to panic!

Using common sense, its clear there is no epidemic of deaths, nothing beyond normal type of illness. Nothing is abnormal.

Moreover, there is an incentivized effort to create fear, share misinformation, these articles appear to be written by AI, the same articles appear in every language in every place in the world, search any number followed by new cases, and you will see there are endless numbers of eerily similar articles, suggesting its time to panic, yet, in reality, based on experience there is not an epidemic, nor hardly anyone actually sick, nor dying, outside of normal type of behavior.

BigBearRider - 6-23-2020 at 06:59 AM

gnukid, you are spreading unfortunate misinformation. Did you get this nonsense from Fox? Hannity? Alex Jones at Infowars? Tucker? Laura? Qanon? Crazy Rudy?

The virus has already killed at least 120,000 people in the US, and likely more than that.

My friend and co-worker of 15 years was in his 50s, 200 pounds of muscle and very healthy, but succumbed to the virus. I believe I had it in March, coming back from Europe. It is no laughing matter. Ask a doctor.

BajaMama - 6-23-2020 at 08:08 AM

I have a difficult time believing that the virus has NOT spread so widely in Baja. Health care in Baja is lacking when it comes to the care those who get hospitalized. IMHO I think it is irresponsible for anyone from the USA to needlessly travel to Baja just to party, camp, and fish. With "re-opening," the labor force who service these tourists are being exposed to the virus from all sides, tourists and locals alike. Are SD practices in place? Is everyone required to wear a mask? Individuals from the USA won't wear them. My husband has a mountain caribou hunt scheduled a year ago in Canada end of September. We are pretty sure Canada won't let anyone from the USA in for a LONG time and trip will be cancelled. The USA is the laughing stock of the world and Mexico is crazy for letting us in.

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 08:21 AM

Close to zero 0% of excess deaths are caused directly as a result of COVID19 according to provisional, revised and actual reports of excess deaths by cause data from official health census reporting sources, such as CDC, WHO.

Worst case scenario is practically zero 99.74% and best case is also practically zero 100% recovery, as unreliable and inconsistent as the health institutions are today. Without a vaccine. Vaccine may or may not help though do cause negative affects, including, arm injuries, paralyzations, serious physical harm, errors, contaminations and mutations will always occur in biodiversity of a live virus in an organic host, along with toxic adjuvants.

Everyone, practically speaking, has been on contact with the Covid19 virus with reportedly, 99.74% recovery rate for those who showed signs of symptom, while the majority had no noticeable symptom response, practically all have RNA and antibody shielding immunity already, and will continue to be in contact with all viruses, forever, and be more healthy because of it.

A mask provides no further benefit to reduce risks of CV viral infection since you have already engaged the virus, and likely masks didn't provide any benefit to reduce or delay engagement in the first place, and likely caused more harm to physical, mental, and financial health.

We didn't wake up in 2020 suddenly with no immune system response, we have always been in a synergistic relationship with viral infections, that makes us stronger, and more able to engage in the biosphere and participate in it's never ending increasing diversity.

Meanwhile, an epidemic of chemical burns are being reported in numbers far outweighing risks of CV flu-like virus symptoms.

[Edited on 6-23-2020 by gnukid]

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 08:39 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider

gnukid, you are spreading unfortunate misinformation.

Note what data you want corrected, specifically, and share a source. Personal attacks don't make your point, instead, using fallacious logic, personal attacks and appeals to authority shows you have no logical argument to present and haven't thought this through.

Take time to gather your thoughts, make a specific point, focus on a specific topic, elaborate, show multiple sources.

Here I will start:

Read the official CDC excess death report that states actual excess deaths from COVID19 are zero, actually negative overall deaths from previous years, likely, because elective surgery was delayed and entering a hospital is among the leading cause of USA deaths. Put that in your back pocket!

Read the whole report including the Technical Note and celebrate!

Actual excess deaths are zero, suspected deaths include conflated data, multiple reports of the same person suspected, other causes, injuries, suicides, etc.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm...

[Edited on 6-23-2020 by gnukid]

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 08:48 AM

Here the CDC states, that after review to rule out other causes, actual excess deaths from flu like infections in 2004, were 500 in USA, while provisional suspected excess deaths from influenza like infection were reported 50,000 plus. GO to page 39 and see deaths from Flu (only) for 2004.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr61/nvsr61_04.pdf

Do you see where this is going? There is incentivization to amplify reports of risks to flu like illness, where as in reality, there is little direct risk of infection from COVID19 or Flu. People do have illnesses that precipitate morbidity, co-factors, etc. Deaths are not a result or caused by COVID or Flu according to official census reporting, it is exaggerated for ulterior motivations, control, profit, etc.

We do not have accurate data for COVID19 cases nor deaths today, since it takes a long time, years and years to validate, reduce errors, rule out other causes, we have provisional suspected and the data noting severity is exaggerated by admission, due to places and practices than financially incentivize cases and deaths.

[Edited on 6-23-2020 by gnukid]

El Don Baja - 6-23-2020 at 08:52 AM

But gnukid what if the data doesn't support a particular agenda?

LancairDriver - 6-23-2020 at 09:14 AM

Quote: Originally posted by El Don Baja

But gnukid what if the data doesn't support a particular agenda?

Data doesn’t support agenda? Simply spew your frustration at anything and anyone that counters your perception of the agenda if you lack hard facts to support it. Or.....go to work and do your research to support your version and present it.

BajaMama - 6-23-2020 at 11:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

The USA is the laughing stock of the world...

Hey, we've worked long and hard to earn that position, accept it with dignity.

Ha ha! I wonder how long it will take to get to regain our place in the world after 1/20/2021?

Alm - 6-23-2020 at 11:19 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BigBearRider

My friend and co-worker of 15 years was in his 50s, 200 pounds of muscle and very healthy, but succumbed to the virus. I believe I had it in March, coming back from Europe. It is no laughing matter.

x2. People ignore it until they get sick, then their perception changes.

Minimize the risk. Hand washing and social distancing works. 6ft is not enough when you are yelling or talking loud, tiny aerosol particles of saliva can spread much farther. Studies show that flu vaccine has "some" positive effect, get vaccinated in the fall.

Fernweh - 6-23-2020 at 11:24 AM

Who cares about any agenda?

We are living (still) in a free country, and it will be your freedom to make the correct choices for yourself.
If the various countries are lifting the constrains due to the Covid 19 issue, it's your freedom, how to ongoing protect your safety and health.
Please realize that the openings supposed to help the economies, but there will be some collateral damages - infections and deaths!!!
Make your own choices - protect yourself and your family or start a risky adventure.

Tioloco - 6-23-2020 at 12:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

The USA is the laughing stock of the world...

Hey, we've worked long and hard to earn that position, accept it with dignity.

Ha ha! I wonder how long it will take to get to regain our place in the world after 1/20/2021?

It is disingenuous to make a statement like that. Millions of people all over the world would kill to have your U.S. citizenship. Quit acting like a pouting child and do something to make your country better. American privilege is real. And I am happy to have it. Lots of brave men and women died to make sure we have it. Have some respect for the country and yourself.
Now, as you were. Good day

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 12:41 PM

Meanwhile, an epidemic of chemical burns to hands are being reported in numbers far outweighing risks of CV flu-like virus symptoms. It’s a dry hands peeling nail polish epidemic.

BajaNomad - 6-23-2020 at 01:48 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Read the official CDC excess death report that states actual excess deaths from COVID19 are zero, actually negative overall deaths from previous years, likely, because elective surgery was delayed and entering a hospital is among the leading cause of USA deaths. Put that in your back pocket!

Read the whole report including the Technical Note and celebrate!

Actual excess deaths are zero, suspected deaths include conflated data, multiple reports of the same person suspected, other causes, injuries, suicides, etc.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm...

From the page you provided a link for:
"Total predicted number of excess deaths since 2/1/2020 across the United States: 110,910 - 152,961"

It appears they're saying it's estimated there have been 110k-153k excess deaths during this time period (in USA) regardless of what the death was technically attributed to. It also states these numbers may be lower than the actual numbers.

This doesn't seem to align with your overall assertions.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it seems to be contradictory to the opinions of the experts (most with years of university studies/research/mentoring behind them, etc) in the various fields you're opining on. Totally understandable for some to feel this may be troubling misinformation. YMMV

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 02:59 PM

Read the entire report, it says “estimated” provisional noting those will largely be ruled out as associate to injury, suicide, pre-existing factors of co-morbidit. There are fewer deaths overall than last year, meaning no increase in excess deaths, or negative overall, current official actual excess deaths are zero today. Stick to facts, not models, not fear based predictions of 65 million deaths predicted which is where this started. Note my subsequent post noting after revision from validation, which seems to take nearly a decade, actual excess deaths from common influenza are practically zero for 2004 in USA, not 50-80k as initially predicted. Point is, we have ample evidence that numbers are not accurate, gross errors exist, incentivized amplification of caes and deaths, while actual verified excess deaths from covid19 in USA are actually zero, practically. That’s quite different from Faushis daily update and shows a long term track record of inaccurate data reporting to fuel fear, he admits he lied about masks, hand washing, made gross errors overstating cases and deaths, meaning CDC is unreliable and no evidence of pandemic existed before or now. It’s a marketing campaign for a fantom obsession with morbidity compelling restriction to mobility, and causing harm to mental, physical and financial health through isolation and masks, in addition to increased deaths or geriatrics due to abandonment. Read the Technical Note linked in the report.

BajaNomad - 6-23-2020 at 03:02 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

A mask provides no further benefit to reduce risks of CV viral infection since you have already engaged the virus, and likely masks didn't provide any benefit to reduce or delay engagement in the first place, and likely caused more harm to physical, mental, and financial health.

Acknowledged experts in the field (like Fauci and Gottlieb) state the opposite. They say this is the easiest thing to implement that will at least create some reduction in the spread of the virus.

Your opinions are contrary to these experts. Again. YMMV

BajaNomad - 6-23-2020 at 03:06 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Stick to facts.

Fact is that experts disagree with you.

Fact is that it's estimated that thus far this year there have been an "excess" of more than 100k deaths in the USA.

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 03:08 PM

Keep in mind, Faushi, CDC, WHO and Gates have admitted they made gross errors, greatly exaggerated cases and deaths and risk of Covid19, and promoted isolation, chemical wash, and face masks that have no place in human Herd immunity shielding building. Their worst case scenario is 99.74% recovery with no intervention, likely, the .26% who died did so due to co-factors of pre-morbidity. Their official report of actual excess deaths due to covid19 states zero deaths excess deaths occurred, actually fewer deaths than last year during the same period. Put that in your back pocket!

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 03:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Stick to facts.

Fact is that experts disagree with you.

Fact is that it's estimated that thus far this year there have been an "excess" of more than 100k deaths in the USA.

Read the report from the horses mouth, the number you quote is provisional suspected and has admitted gross errors due reporting the same case multiple times, no validation, conflation of many contact types and test types, the number is absolutely not accurate according to its source, CDC and WHO. It’s off that here I have linked to their data and you have no source yet are obsessed with exaggerated morbidity for what appears to be a normal flu season. How about instead of attacking forum members, focus on the data and its sources? Do you have a source for verified actual cases and excess deaths other than the CDC source I provided which is the de facto standard Dara source. In addition I pointed out that historically CDC grossly exaggerated common flu deaths up to 90k annually while quietly revising official actual deaths to zero practically according to their own official report? This isn’t something to personalize, or be offended by, or compelling you to attack others, it’s great news, suspected provisional cases and deaths are grossly exaggerated, actual excess deaths are zero practically speaking. Don’t be mad that fewer people died as a result of covid19 be happy. If you have a source for validated excess deaths caused by covid19 please simply share the link and of course you are welcome to conjecture as to why the CDC reports wildly different numbers then follows up to clarify the actual number of deaths is zero, today? That’s the intriguing point isn’t it? Why would numbers be so exaggerated intentionally?

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 03:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

interesting that you reference the very people, Fauchi et sl, who admittedly have waffled back and forth on benefits of face masks, noting that certainly covid19 is not an airborne illness and a mask does not have adequate ability to protect you from aerosol transfer and can act as a concentrator of moisture, virus and bacteria in the mouth and nose area. Masks do provide benefit to health professionals when used properly which is quite different than the general public application. Masks do not help reduce risk of infection to those already infected nor those recovered, they also may block transfer of RNA messaging and Antibodies from those two categories of post infection state from sharing immunity building process with pre-infected state people. Take a step back and note that the vast majority of people are already exposed to this seasons covid according to sample set serological studies today, meaning the only ones left to possibly benefit from a mask is a very small percentage of people not yet infected who wish to delay building immunity and of course professional health workers which would presumably be a very very small number of people, perhaps severely ill geriatrics who are on their death bed already.

[Edited on 6-23-2020 by gnukid]

gnukid - 6-23-2020 at 03:50 PM

Right on the box label, masks do not protect from infection of covid... hmm

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MrBillM - 6-23-2020 at 04:42 PM

Despite the fact that the "mask in public" issue has been explained ad nauseam for months now, those like the Gnu continue to misrepresent the purpose.

Which is to minimize the effects of airborne spread by those infected.

BajaNomad - 6-23-2020 at 05:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

... you have no source yet are obsessed with exaggerated morbidity for what appears to be a normal flu season. How about instead of attacking forum members, focus on the data and its sources?

Fact: I used your source.

Fact: You're the one with the ad hominem comments about me, not vice-versa. I'm not the only one you've targeted in this thread with such comments.

BajaNomad - 6-23-2020 at 05:47 PM

Today's covid #'s from BCS government...

https://twitter.com/GobBCS/status/1275548173889490944

4x4abc - 6-25-2020 at 03:19 PM

since this was about Covid-19 in BCS, here a perspective
death rate in the US (they are not doing well) is about 37 per 100k
death rate in Germany (they do very well) is about 10/100k
death rate in BCS (I think they do well) is a bout 9/100k
death rate in La Paz is about 10/100k
bottom line - you are as safe in BCS as in well managed Germany
I won't mention the US
you can nitpick about numbers and counting deaths - fact is, death numbers are the most difficult to manipulate

David K - 6-25-2020 at 03:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Right on the box label, masks do not protect from infection of covid... hmm

The idea is that it keeps your mucus and spit from flying out if you cough or sneeze or spit when you talk. It doesn't protect the wearer, but it offers some protection to others around you. That's all, but that could be enough.

Can we just re-boot 2020??? A really sucky year so far.

surabi - 6-25-2020 at 10:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

since this was about Covid-19 in BCS, here a perspective
death rate in the US (they are not doing well) is about 37 per 100k
death rate in Germany (they do very well) is about 10/100k
death rate in BCS (I think they do well) is a bout 9/100k
death rate in La Paz is about 10/100k
bottom line - you are as safe in BCS as in well managed Germany
I won't mention the US
you can nitpick about numbers and counting deaths - fact is, death numbers are the most difficult to manipulate

Those death rates don't tell the real story. The death rates you are quoting are based on the number of people who have died compared to all who have been infected, both those who have recovered, and those who are currently infected. The real death rate is if you look at those who had the virus and either recovered or died, called "resolved cases"- cases which had an outcome, because counting the people who are currently infected is irrelevant in that respect- we don't know if they will recover or die.

The current resolved case death rate worldwide is 9%, in the US is 11%, in Mexico it's 18%.

When you look at death rates for past pandemics, or diseases like influenza, they are all based on resolved cases, because those pandemics are long over or diseases that have been around long enough to know pretty accurately how many people end up dying from it.

So if we are going to be truthful about the death rate from COVID19, it's the resolved case % that is relevant.

Of course, none of the infection numbers are accurate, because you would have to test everyone to know that. So we can only go on the numbers that are being reported.

[Edited on 6-26-2020 by surabi]

motoged - 6-25-2020 at 10:40 PM

The masks pictured above are not the kind that effectively protect wearer and others....hence the label info..... there are a range of mask types....

That argument is like saying that a pool noodle is not an approved flotation device....but offers some floatation.

The effective masks are more expensive and difficult to source....but they exist. You get what you pay for.

4x4abc - 6-26-2020 at 12:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Relax Señor surabi - as I posted, the death rate I am quoting is per 100k (population). Number of death is more difficult than others to manipulate. Population number even tougher. That's why I chose that rate.

SFandH - 6-26-2020 at 06:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

you can nitpick about numbers and counting deaths - fact is, death numbers are the most difficult to manipulate

I saw a report on TV a month or so ago that in Mexico many death certificates state the cause of death as pneumonia and are not counted as COVID even though the virus caused the pneumonia. Tests for the virus were not done/available. Perhaps that problem has been fixed.

Who knows?

[Edited on 6-26-2020 by SFandH]

surabi - 6-26-2020 at 04:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

I don't know how you get those numbers. The death rate of resolved cases in the US is 11%. That means of those who definitely had the virus and either recovered or died, 11 out of every 100 people died, not 37 out of 100,000.

BigBearRider - 6-26-2020 at 06:13 PM

An analysis of 172 studies across the world found that using a mask or respirator might reduce the risk of getting infected to 3.1%, compared to 17.4% without a face covering.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

BajaNomad - 6-26-2020 at 08:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by SFandH

Tests for the virus were not done/available. Perhaps that problem has been fixed.

Who knows?

As noted here previously, Mexico has stated they are not widely testing for C-19 by choice. I'm not aware that anything has - or will - change.

http://forums.bajanomad.com/viewthread.php?tid=94512

BajaMama - 6-29-2020 at 06:30 AM

Seriously, why does anyone even respond to gnu kid? Ignore the little brat.