Unwelcome in other countries, Americans are fleeing lockdowns and flocking to Mexico

I guess she should not have let them de mask. I did the length of baja going north in sept. and returning south in nov. around 25 days total Took the ferry both ways and stayed in hotels and camped. It´s easy and safe if you take the proper precautions.





[Edited on 12-13-2020 by chippy]

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

it very common for visiting gringos to feel " mexico has no rules, everything goes "

Quote: Originally posted by Mulege Canuck

Us Canucks, we can’t drive south due to the border closures. We are basically locked down now and will not be able to have Christmas with our family even. I am amazed that Mexico has not closed its border given the increased rates of Covid infections.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Follow the science ppl. The WHO says lockdowns do more harm than good. Especially for poor countries.

San Miguel County, Telluride, recently went to Level Red. The virus is present in town. Shouldn't worry JZ though as he's proceeding with caution.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Am going skiing for 7 days in Telluride on Thursday. Lockdowns have little bearing on my life. Life is good.

Sugar Bowl on Donner Summit is open

Quote: Originally posted by msteve1014

And you drove to La Paz because there are no dentists in Cali.??? Yeah, I get it, you care.

Quote: Originally posted by msteve1014

And you put other people at risk. In Cali. and Mexico.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by msteve1014   And you put other people at risk. In Cali. and Mexico. He helped keep a dentist and her staff employed with food on their table. They don't have safety nets in MX like the US.

Quote: Originally posted by msteve1014

[/rquote]Send a donation if you feel so bad, you do not need to be there in person.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Just because you collect a check

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

No. Just because you collect a check and are fine sitting on your #ss at home doesn't mean others are. Follow the damn science. The WHO says lock downs don't work and do much more harm than good. Stop attacking others from living their lives, especially in a manner that doesn't put themselves or anyone else at risk. To do so, is just to be a bitter person.

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Your time-worn accusations of people hiding in their basements, living in fear, and somehow inappropriately are living off investments, pensions, or other totally appropriate sources of income certainly lacks any sense of a greater common good, empathy or compassion for those not living in your self-indulgent bubble, and any sense of social conscience. That being as it may, it is evident you are immune ..... not from being a covid carrier, but from a sense of community, inter-dependent responsibility, and what some would consider any respect for others. You likely are unable to see these aspects of your positioning. However, some of us have this ability.

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

Quote: Originally posted by motoged   Your time-worn accusations of people hiding in their basements, living in fear, and somehow inappropriately are living off investments, pensions, or other totally appropriate sources of income certainly lacks any sense of a greater common good, empathy or compassion for those not living in your self-indulgent bubble, and any sense of social conscience. That being as it may, it is evident you are immune ..... not from being a covid carrier, but from a sense of community, inter-dependent responsibility, and what some would consider any respect for others. You likely are unable to see these aspects of your positioning. However, some of us have this ability. You have told us you live off a check from the govt. So you don't care what happens to other ppl who have to work for a living. You don't care about anyone but yourself pal. Telling ppl to not travel/live in a safe way is an terrible position to take. Just stay in the basement and collect your checks, and screw the rest of the world. [Edited on 12-15-2020 by JZ]

Quote: Originally posted by JZ

You have told us you live off a check from the govt.

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper   Or a PPP "loan" perhaps. What ever happened to that pandemic assistance loan you got for your business? "Am going skiing for 7 days in Telluride on Thursday." There are definitely the makings of a lawyer there: completely shameless.

the first thing we do...........

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by John Harper   Or a PPP "loan" perhaps. What ever happened to that pandemic assistance loan you got for your business? "Am going skiing for 7 days in Telluride on Thursday." There are definitely the makings of a lawyer there: completely shameless. the first thing we do...........

Quote: Originally posted by chippy

So has motoged,John Harper,steve or the goat even been to baja recently if ever? F you all. People in baja need money.

Says the wandering doofus

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto   Quote: Originally posted by lencho   Quote: Originally posted by John Harper   Or a PPP "loan" perhaps. What ever happened to that pandemic assistance loan you got for your business? "Am going skiing for 7 days in Telluride on Thursday." There are definitely the makings of a lawyer there: completely shameless. the first thing we do........... 3,000 people per day die of covid in USA. That’s same death toll as one 9/11 event per day. Shorty McJizzy responds that public health directives and recommendations are just too gosh darn restrictive, he must violate CA public health orders and San Miguel county advisories and go skiing because his happiness is most important (he feels suicidal when stuck at home in Calabasas with his fluffy puppy), and the peasants of telluride are begging him to come! [Edited on 12-16-2020 by mtgoat666]

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

3,000 people per day die of covid in USA. That’s same death toll as one 9/11 event per day...

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666   3,000 people per day die of covid in USA. That’s same death toll as one 9/11 event per day... Goat, CDC data shows no more excess deaths than any other year over the last couple of years, nothing different, leading causes of death are the same, meaning no pandemic, also their guidelines categorize "DIED WITH COVID" while people are dying from 2-3 severe co-morbidities, not from COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

Note, CDC states COVID deaths as "Deaths WITH COVID" with practically zero deaths without 2-3 Comorbidities meaning Heart Disease, Cancer etc. same as always, not "from COVID", and no significant change in excess deaths as a percentage of population over many years, go to CDC, follow the link, the graph comes right up, at one or two weeks I April there was a 10% blip, that's all folks.
*Reading Comprehension*

COVID, like common Flu and colds is your body reacting to cellular toxicity, pollution, stress, being run down, the best prophylactic is good health, same as always, Nutrition to help your body function properly, 90 essential vitamins, minerals, amino acids, exercise, fresh air, positivity, and social engagement. Isolation, face masks, chemical sanitizers, are harmful to overall health.



[Edited on 12-16-2020 by gnukid]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm Note, CDC states COVID deaths as "Deaths WITH COVID" with practically zero deaths without 2-3 Comorbidities meaning Heart Disease, Cancer etc. same as always, not "from COVID", and no significant change in excess deaths as a percentage of population over many years, go to CDC, follow the link, the graph comes right up, at one or two weeks I April there was a 10% blip, that's all folks. *Reading Comprehension* COVID, like common Flu and colds is your body reacting to cellular toxicity, pollution, stress, being run down, the best prophylactic is good health, same as always, Nutrition to help your body function properly, 90 essential vitamins, minerals, amino acids, exercise, fresh air, positivity, and social engagement. Isolation, face masks, chemical sanitizers, are harmful to overall health. [Edited on 12-16-2020 by gnukid]

CDC Excess Deaths, USA:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

(same link you provided a few months back fwiw)



[Edited on 12-16-2020 by BajaNomad]

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad

CDC Excess Deaths, USA: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm (same link you provided a few months back fwiw) [Edited on 12-16-2020 by BajaNomad]

Quote: Originally posted by gnukid

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm Note, CDC states COVID deaths as "Deaths WITH COVID" with practically zero deaths without 2-3 Comorbidities meaning Heart Disease, Cancer etc. same as always, not "from COVID", and no significant change in excess deaths as a percentage of population over many years, go to CDC, follow the link, the graph comes right up, at one or two weeks I April there was a 10% blip, that's all folks. *Reading Comprehension*

I see. So using your logic, I guess then we'd better go back and alter the death toll numbers from 9-11.

As it turns out, 2,274 of the 2,605 souls that perished that awful day suffered from other health factors such as cancer, being overweight, heart disease, diabetes, over the age of 60 and the like and so the real number would then only be 331 actual victims of the terrorists?

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

Here on Cape Cod we get our fair share of "Quarantine Tourism", where people from Boston and the suburbs escape to relative safety in what are otherwise seasonal communities. State guidelines call for most out-of-state visitors to bring enough food for a quarantine period of 14 days, but of course very few people do that, and there is zero enforcement. Two months ago an AirBnB across the street from us hosted a birthday party with over 30 guests. We called the owner to complain, and he claimed not to know how that this was going to happen. Another neighbor called the police, who declined to enforce occupancy restrictions, insisting that this was the responsibility of the Health Department. Legislation to keep short-term rentals out of residential neighborhoods has been hampered by the fact that some of the lawmakers are landlords and would end up undermining their own profits! Local businesses also like the boost to the economy, despite the fact that things like shopping and indoor dining are subject to restrictions - all enforced via "the honor system". Needless to say, the infection rate in Barnstable County now reflects the influx of visitors, many of whom pay little or no attention to CDC and/or State guidelines.

Quote: Originally posted by pauldavidmena

Here on Cape Cod we get our fair share of "Quarantine Tourism", where people from Boston and the suburbs escape to relative safety in what are otherwise seasonal communities. State guidelines call for most out-of-state visitors to bring enough food for a quarantine period of 14 days, but of course very few people do that, and there is zero enforcement. Two months ago an AirBnB across the street from us hosted a birthday party with over 30 guests. We called the owner to complain, and he claimed not to know how that this was going to happen. Another neighbor called the police, who declined to enforce occupancy restrictions, insisting that this was the responsibility of the Health Department. Legislation to keep short-term rentals out of residential neighborhoods has been hampered by the fact that some of the lawmakers are landlords and would end up undermining their own profits! Local businesses also like the boost to the economy, despite the fact that things like shopping and indoor dining are subject to restrictions - all enforced via "the honor system". Needless to say, the infection rate in Barnstable County now reflects the influx of visitors, many of whom pay little or no attention to CDC and/or State guidelines.