BajaNomad - Time for a change of sites..?

Time for a change of sites..?

Pompano - 3-30-2005 at 09:58 AM

Parts of this forum have become a real boxing arena. I signed on Baja Nomads not that long ago and have now noticed some increasingly frequent downgradings of the material 'about Baja' presented. I originally joined because I thought it was about BAJA, would be pleasant to meet more interesting and intelligent lovers of BAJA..post some of my BAJA interests, history, fishing accounts!!, and have some FUN about BAJA. I count at least 12 posting topics on today's roster that are 'NEGATIVE', don't have much to do with 'BAJA', are full of hatred and bigotry.... and to me, REALLY BORING. I left childish sophmoric nonsense behind a long time ago. Hopefully, some of you did, too.

Enough ranting....Maybe time for a site change....or something more 'Baja'. Any suggestions?

Pompano

Tommy A - 3-30-2005 at 10:04 AM

Can not agree with you more!! Maybe its time that the administrator of this site had a long chat with a few people. Would hate to see you go, I enjoy your posts.

Hang in there.....

Tucker - 3-30-2005 at 10:07 AM

Tommy, I think a short chat might be more effective!!

bajalou - 3-30-2005 at 10:12 AM

Well, I've enjoyed this site and still do part of the time, but have been having the same thoughts about just dumping it. I want to read about Baja. The name calling is getting too much. I was really glad when the "Off Topic" was moved from "Today's Posts" but there is so much personal condemnation for having other ideas about Baja and it's people that I'm really tired.

Cincodemayo - 3-30-2005 at 10:14 AM

Pompano
Your posts and pictures are an immense addition to this site. Don't go anywhere.

Cyndarouh - 3-30-2005 at 10:15 AM

Pompano, Please. keep up the fishing and wonderful post. I do really enjoy them. Most really don't pay a lot of heed to the butt biteing that goes on. It is a bit depressing when you think a story about Baja is coming then you have the kids that don't agree on what ever. I got out of that sand box many years ago. Like 52 maybe. :barf:

to the butt biteing. Okay where is that spell ck? :saint:

Tommy A - 3-30-2005 at 10:17 AM

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Originally posted by Hose A
Don't let the bad guys win.

Lets get rid of the bad guys. I say we vote them off the island.

Pompano and Lou

bajapablo - 3-30-2005 at 10:31 AM

Stick around. You guys have too much to share with the rest of us who live north of the border.

Well said, Pompano

thebajarunner - 3-30-2005 at 10:47 AM

Last year when this ugly stuff was raging I posted a reminder of the old children's fable about the "Tar Baby"

Remember the Tar Baby??? He was not at all loveable, you just wanted to thrash and bash him... the more you bashed him the more tar you got all over your own self.

Same with these few bad apples.

Since we are preparing for our annual 10 day Baja trip I have been more into the site than usual.... thus, seeing all the really nasty stuff of late. And, the way it is going, when I return from Baja I may or may not return to this site.

I agree, time to vote a few off the island.... anyone wish to "cast the first stone?"

Baja Arriba!!

ps. I really feel for Doug, one class act who is trying to provide a service for those of us that care.
How's about those of you who only care for you own egos starting your own site- which we will carefully and meticulously and scrupulously avoid... believe it!

Bob and Susan - 3-30-2005 at 11:12 AM

Pompano

stick in there...it's like a wave...it comes and goes.. :lol:

bajaruby - 3-30-2005 at 11:22 AM

Pompano
I don't post to much here, but I do read it everyday and truely love reading your posts and seeing your photos. Just ignore the bad apples and they will go away. WE, ALL OF US, I am sure, would truely miss you. If you deceid to go, let us know where to find you.
You've got my vote! :tumble:

Suggestion:

Skeet/Loreto - 3-30-2005 at 11:40 AM

I too have been feeling that it is time to find a Board that stays with Good Baja Information and help, where there is less Cursing and flaming of People, However I have to admit that I do go to the off-Topic when it gets so False.
Whatever Pomp, hold in there until we can get a board that does not have Political Space{The election is Over boys!]
I do think that some of the politics in Baja are important and should be Posted with out the Bad Mouthing{Show maturity}However it will be difficult as it seems to be the thing to do, that is "Attack! Attack!!".

Skeet/Loreto

Rickman - 3-30-2005 at 11:53 AM

I followed this board over from Amigos. Same smell. I follow it for the reason most of us do. To get some Baja information. The entertainment value goes through cycles. At best it is like watching Oprah. Right now it looks like Jerry Springer. The two types of posters that provoke this bickering are both very prolific. One is "The Fountain of Knowledge" and the other is "The Fountain of s..." Give the "Fountain of s..." his own forum and leave the rest of us in peace.

backninedan - 3-30-2005 at 12:21 PM

I agree Pompano

I live in Loreto full time but post seldom due to the flack I see other posters receiving. Its a shame that a few can and do spoil an otherwise well run board.

Cincodemayo - 3-30-2005 at 12:23 PM

Back9
Are you the one with the boxer dogs?

Bruce R Leech - 3-30-2005 at 12:48 PM

it will git better .

Another 2 Cents

lindsay - 3-30-2005 at 01:10 PM

I can't add much that the others in this thread haven't already mentioned...you have great posts here Pompano and there is enough good intentions as well as information on this board to just blow off and skip the negative stuff.

I teach English to international students and whenever I see the petty side of life in my students or the times when they start to whine, I always tell them to take a look at the front page of the newspaper, have a reality check and thank your lucky stars that we all have the free time to even think and wonder about life...some people are struggling just to make it through the day, they don't have the time to b**ch or moan about what often is such small potatos...

OK enough from me, remember that's just one amiga's opinion and keep up all your great contributions!! Just one week until vacation in Mulege!! Hope to see you there

Pompano

Skipjack Joe - 3-30-2005 at 01:29 PM

The Fishing page of this board was pretty much empty until you started posting. The personal fishing stories are just great. The number of really good fishing photos are really overwhelming also.

It's one thing reading catch statistics from all the resorts and quite another reading a story written in first person.

I really hope you don't leave the board.

You have the advantage of living and fishing down there that most of us envy and the stories just make us live through your trips vicariously. Hell, I would never had known about the Duke at Mulege if it wasn't for one of your stories.

Too many quality posters have left because of this sort of thing (Dave Eidell for one). I hope you don't do the same.

backninedan - 3-30-2005 at 01:32 PM

Cinco

No boxers, but I can be seen walking my springer spaniel (jake the wonder dog)

Good to see you...

Sharksbaja - 3-30-2005 at 01:35 PM

got tired of it too. Thanks for speaking up Pompano, Sharksbaja

RJM - 3-30-2005 at 01:53 PM

I could not agree more with what has been generally said above. One of the main reasons I go to Baja is because of the friendly people I meet; be they locals or visitors. I was starting to question my decision regarding taking my family and friends to Baja due to the nastiness of some of the recent posts and the coddling of one poster in particular who delights in his brand of childish misbehavior. Being new to this site; it is encouraging to see that others are having these same reservations. I will stick around for the advice and information and will even put up with the discourse a while longer, now that I know how others view this disruption to an otherwise pleasant experience. Pompano, I hope you too... will reconsider because I look forward to your fishing reports.

bajajudy - 3-30-2005 at 02:26 PM

This is the first board that I have ever particiapted in and I thought when I joined that I had found a place to share and enjoy tales of Baja and help newbies(I didnt even know that word before I joined) find what they are looking for when they come here.
I don't understand all the stuff that goes on and frankly don't want to but I find myself not even wanting to check the posts anymore...except Pompanos are always fun.
Anyway, those of you who have been doing this for a time seem to think that this will pass. I just wonder what will take its place?

[Edited on 3-30-2005 by bajajudy]

my 2 cents

eetdrt88 - 3-30-2005 at 02:31 PM

my wife spends alot of time on a band related message posting board where people spend time just tearing each other up....in my opinion that kind of rhetoric gets old and boring quickly but unfortunately on any board,no matter what the topic,youre going to have people there who get there jollys from getting a rise out of others usually by negative means.....pompano and others like him are what keep me coming back to this board and hopefully the interesting and informative folks will continue posting on here or it will be just like most other message boards...a bunch of negative B.S.

Bob H - 3-30-2005 at 02:37 PM

Pompano - your fishing stories and all of the thousands of photos you must have are just fantastic. Do what I do and just ingnore some of the crap that goes on from time to time - it always fades away. There is just too much good stuff that way outweighs the negative stuff, ya know. I hope you stay around.
Bob H

Diver - 3-30-2005 at 02:53 PM

Pompano,

Your stories and photos are the best thing about loggin-on these days !
Don't stop.

Please check your U2U

I ditto just about everyting in this thread.

vgabndo - 3-30-2005 at 03:42 PM

The right wingers don't have a monopoly on posting crap. There's no need for it from anyone. I have a hard time not getting sucked into it. I have strongly held opinions too, but I've learned that they don't have a place on a board like this. Pompano...you and the others like you will win out over organisms like Blackie. Peace, love and fish tacos.

JESSE - 3-30-2005 at 03:58 PM

No te vayas pompano.

It's the General Discussion Board....

Hook - 3-30-2005 at 04:42 PM

.......that seems to be the problem, IMO.

I am finding that I spend more of my time on the Q & A Board because the posters are more focused on, well, questions and their answers. Much less oratory. Much more info geared towards traveling the Baja.

The Trips Report Board is also good.

If I had a wish, it would be that we all use the restaurant review board more than we do. We all have a wealth of individual info on restaurants in Baja and they end up getting talked about on the General Discussion Board......very difficult to search that unless you know the name of the restaurant.

The similarities with the tone of the old Amigos board (near the end) is certainly here.

Still, there are a few unnamed individuals (like we really have to name them :lol

that need to be woodshedded by the Admins. Just trying to make trouble, again and again.

Pitchforks and torches, anyone?

[Edited on 3-30-2005 by Hook]

Boy, what can I say....?

Pompano - 3-30-2005 at 05:48 PM

I guess I never knew that there were so many people out there reading my fishing posts and reacting to my cracked psyche. Just goes to show you how Baja can captivate a person. It makes me feel good that you all love the place as much as I do..and I like the fact that someone's report or story brings you back to Baja..if only for the moment. So I think I wll just hang around and post my fishing trips while throwing some devilment into the works now and then. I've learned a couple of things about selective options and what to ignore. Good to know that there are so many real nice folks who want to relate to things Baja.

Damn!...I snorted up a tear or two while reading those kind remarks...and Lord knows, that's not a pretty sight! Took away Phyl's appetite! And we were going to have beef stroganoff, too...sigh. I feel like the Grinch.

I would like to thank you for all the nice remarks. I doubt I shall live up to anybody's expectations, but I WILL try to relay the sheer fun I have out there on the Cortez...and on the Baja shore. Hasta pronto, amigos....y muchas gracias.

[Edited on 3-31-2005 by Pompano]

I guess I will start to read your fishing posts

BajaVida - 3-30-2005 at 06:06 PM

but I gotta admit there are posts from some people that I don't read because I do not like to read personal attacks

lots of information gets shared here and friendships are made

if we report a bad post, what happens?

should it be placed in the P-nche Cabron Comments section? there the guilty ones can read their own venom and get their jollies from it

I do admit to posting some things marginally related to Baja, but normally in good fun

[Edited on 3-31-2005 by BajaVida]

David K - 3-30-2005 at 07:16 PM

As a board gets bigger, more will test the waters... Give Doug and the moderators a few hours to a day, and the caca will get removed. As someone else said, don't let the bad guys win.

I am very proud of Doug's efforts here... He is very fair with all sides on an issue... He is the Ben Franklin of Baja forums, IMHO. People who operate competing Baja forums probably shouldn't have freedom to spoil this one?

There was a big full moon recently, and that very well could have affected some people.

Thanks everyone who u2u or emailed me, and I will do my best to not 'play the game' with someone who can't be reasoned with or refuses to make peace.

Remember, we are here to read, learn, and share Baja information, stories, and friendships. All personal stuff really belongs off the site, or at least in the Off Topic (non-Baja) Forum... The cat box, as Doug calls it... where caca belongs.

As Vagabndo says: "Peace, Love, and Fish Tacos!" (that probably would make a great bumper sticker!... hey Perry!) :yes:

Calexicocarrera - 3-30-2005 at 08:11 PM

Seems to me that this is one of the best baja boards out there, except for the sections like off-topic, etc.

What about just gettin rid of some of the areas like off-topic, make it only baja related and moderate heavily?

Hate to see it all go down the tubes over a couple bad apples.

Bruce R Leech - 3-30-2005 at 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by Calexicocarrera
Seems to me that this is one of the best baja boards out there, except for the sections like off-topic, etc.

What about just gettin rid of some of the areas like off-topic, make it only baja related and moderate heavily?

Hate to see it all go down the tubes over a couple bad apples.

yes but who are the bad apples? every one is following the rules . if they don't Doug will remove them. I just don't see the problem here.

JESSE - 3-30-2005 at 08:38 PM

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Calexico,

Is that really you on the avatar? :wow:

keep up the good work

Humboldt Chris and Robin - 3-30-2005 at 08:40 PM

all boards on all topics have people that abuse the sensibilities of others, just seems to be a fact of life in the anonymous digital age. I read this board (and Fred's too) religiously and love the great posts that so many of you put up. I'd much rather meet you all in person and suck down several cold ones and exagerate our Baja experiences beyond comprehension, but failing that, I'll continue to read and post my experiences here. I have learned SO MUCH from all of you and continue to learn more and I just blast on by the naysayers who have a bone to pick. Thanks to those who put these boards together and I hope you resist potential censorship that could easily befall this site.

I'm so teary eyed thinking about Baja (ugly weather in Humboldt County right now) that I'm gonna go plaster some more Baja stickers on my truck!

Again - thanks to the moderators for keeping these boards alive!!!

Calexicocarrera - 3-30-2005 at 09:50 PM

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Originally posted by JESSE

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Calexico,

Is that really you on the avatar? :wow:

Well, I've been on that atkins stoopid diet and have lost a few LBs, but for the most part yeah. You lookin to set me up with your sister ol buddy?

:biggrin:

Braulio - 3-31-2005 at 09:44 AM

Calexico -

The "Special topics" area was created to siphon (or blow) off some of the caca that was messing up the General Discussion board - it seemed like a good alternative to just deleting stuff. I guess Doug will explain more if he wants.

If anyone sees something on the General board that doesn't fit just ask the moderator to move it - it sometimes works.

If you're in Calexico, u2u me sometime and we'll do the 111 Club.

Jesse - Is that you in your avatar?

bajaruby - 3-31-2005 at 01:40 PM

:spingrin:

geeessss now you guys got me snivillin', and it wasn't even my fight. I say BULLY!!! to the bad and don't even respond to them. Now that you know that we ALL want you to stay, I or anyone one of us won't have to go anywhere else either

So lets get on with the Baja fun!!!!
BajaRuby........Yipppy Yippppy Yippppppy

JESSE - 3-31-2005 at 04:54 PM

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Originally posted by Braulio

Jesse - Is that you in your avatar?

Thats general Pancho Villa sir, bandido, rebel, all around great guerrilla and military strategist, until he ended up like swiss chesse on a lonely Chihuaha street.

JESSE - 3-31-2005 at 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by Calexicocarrera

Quote:

Originally posted by JESSE

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Calexico,

Is that really you on the avatar? :wow:

Well, I've been on that atkins stoopid diet and have lost a few LBs, but for the most part yeah. You lookin to set me up with your sister ol buddy?

:biggrin:

Tell you what, i will pass your offer as well as your image to her, and lets see what she thinks

David K - 3-31-2005 at 07:04 PM

Hey, that's me on my avatar! :lol:

jeans - 3-31-2005 at 07:46 PM

...and me on mine!

Bruce R Leech - 3-31-2005 at 08:12 PM

not me on mine :lol:

what to do

academicanarchist - 4-1-2005 at 06:34 AM

I have been posting here for a while, and there is a great deal of good information and good posts. The simple solution is to avoid the off topic area, and stick to the Baja posts. And Grover, still like reading your posts off of the off topic forum.

Not a simple solution

thebajarunner - 4-1-2005 at 08:25 AM

AA, with all due respect, avoiding the Off Topic does not avoid the ugly stuff.
THEY (and THEY know who THEY are) have corrupted the General Discussion topics as well.
Gotta get better or the good folk are gonna get outta Dodge.

Baja Arriba!!

David K - 4-1-2005 at 08:39 AM

But, just hit the report post button if you see junk by anyone... and then give Doug or the moderators a day to see the posts and delete or move them to Off Topic. Don't run away because you see junk or fighting here... That would only please and empower those who come here to cause trouble.

Forum Decorum

Bajadtodebone - 4-1-2005 at 03:27 PM

I too am disappointed in the quality of postings. "Just ignore the bad apples and they will go away" is not going to do it, there are too many of them. It has been a lesson for me to have monitored this site for the past few months. I used to read it daily, to the extent my wife thought I had a mistress. But you are right, it has gottenjust plain depressing wading through all the "stuff" polluting the thing. Now I look in from time to time to see if things have gotten better.
(they haven't.) The times I have been in the Baja I have met and seen two distinct types of people: those who truely appreciate the place and respect the rights of others doing the same thing; and those who think the whole place is their personal playground, having no respect for the local residents (both US and Mexican) or the enviornment. (I am not a tree hugger). They come complete with loud, sick music , too much booze and false bravado. They drive their dirt bikes, ATV's and 4x4 all over the place with no regard for safety, serenity, or compassion for the others of us who go there if for no other reason than to get away from the self-indulging missing links who represent a disaringly large percentage of the population of the North side of the border. If we could only come up with a filter that could catch 'em at the border maybe we could apply it to this site and return it to the people who really are Nomads. Said enough!! :mad:

Well Put...

bajaloco - 4-1-2005 at 05:02 PM

I have been a long time member whom usually sits on his hands, trying not to reply to some of the posts. Even as I type this I feel it's falling on deaf ears and only those in the crowd with too much to say will be heard. This board serves a very useful and entertaining purpose, we should all be grateful to have it. It's a melting pot of personalities, many of whom contribute genuine info while others just like to hear themselves talk. Come up with a way to filter posts to the users preference. Ultra Nomads could talk till there blue in the face.... :lol:

Me No - 4-4-2005 at 12:04 PM

I am sitting here laughing my flipping arse of at you people. This discussion has been going on since the chicken coupers took over amigo's. There is no solution to your problems on the internet. Things are not black and white. People are not all good, or all bad. You can either join the fun, or sit back and whine about it. :lol:

jrbaja - 4-4-2005 at 12:07 PM

Aren't they sumthin MeNo? hahahahhaha Do you still have a trailer? I may need to haul some things south pretty soon. Any chance of you guys coming along?

Me No - 4-4-2005 at 12:17 PM

Damn, there you are. Yes. I still have it and the offer is good.

I just returned from Cantu this mourning, Left at 1:30 am, made it to Vegas by 8. I noticed on the way North the broke ground on the new Costco just south of Ensenada. Damn, LA bay look out.

I will be back the 13th. When you going to be North? I will start collecting donations. I'm keeping it short because I know you are online now. Let me know what is happening, I'll wait.:moon: