BajaNomad - Electric Future ... or not

Electric Future ... or not

motoged - 2-24-2021 at 12:18 AM

Just watched this informative and entertaining video on debate on electric vehicles...

Take 12.5 minutes ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vh9qnEl4OY&feature=youtu.be

JZ - 2-24-2021 at 12:41 AM

Didn't watch the video yet, but I'll give you my pre-watching opinion.

I love when I hear the gas kicking in on the furnace. Couldn't imagine cooking on electric.

A mix of energy sources is best. Wind, solar, fosil, nuke.

The extremes of society pushing too hard for one or the another are bad, I think.

motoged - 2-24-2021 at 12:45 AM

Watch the video....you might learn something...

I wasn't asking your opinion.....but it doesn't surprise me.

pacificobob - 2-24-2021 at 08:11 AM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged

Watch the video....you might learn something...

I wasn't asking your opinion.....but it doesn't surprise me.

no surprise for me either.

great video. the continued use of fossil fuel has no logical defense other than preserving the wealth of the share holders.
germany plans to go all renewable by 2030....lets hope US leadership makes some smart moves.

BajaTed - 2-24-2021 at 08:49 AM

Porsche's EV fuel will be as carbon neutral from oil well to exhaust pipe tip as EV cars will be from minerals in the ground to volts into a car motor.

55steve - 2-24-2021 at 08:56 AM

Video is funny for sure.

pacificobob - 2-24-2021 at 09:36 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 55steve

Video is funny for sure.

sadly a lot of informative, educational media has to include components of humor, and brief distractions to overcome the limited attention spans of contemporary audiences .
AKA "dumbing down" to make the messages more "accessible "

AKgringo - 2-24-2021 at 09:48 AM

Not all oil fields and refineries are the same. I worked as a support carpenter at Prudhoe Bay in the mid 80s, and was impressed with the safety and environmental concerns that were in place even then.

The main complaint I hear from the people who live near the three major refineries (Keni, North Pole, Valdez) is that they pay too much for a local product!

No pumps in this video, the field is pressurized to bring the crude up to the surface https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=oil+refineries+in+alask...

By the way, Alaska has more coal than oil. I hope the great strides will be made in cleaning up that industry, wind and solar are practically useless for much of the year in the northern latitudes!

That was a fun video though!

pacificobob - 2-24-2021 at 11:09 AM

i think hydrogen has huge untapped potential.
of course those who have a vested interest in petroleum will delay development of these options.
witness those marooons who blame the power problems in Texas on frozen wind generators.
alternative energy is such an opportunity for the US to do what it does best...
innovative and develop new technologies.
what a shame to allow the oil/coal owners to call the shots.
furthering this silly chite, is convincing those with no financial interest in fossil fuel to resist new technology.

[Edited on 2-24-2021 by pacificobob]

bajaric - 2-24-2021 at 12:20 PM

A refreshing, if somewhat amateurish video. Maybe if all the cars were electric we could see the stars again.

The main issue with electric vehicles is that gas is just incredibly cheap, for the amount of energy it releases. I was at the gas station and some guy was complaining about how expensive gas was in California. The price was about 3 dollars a gallon. I was thinking, 3 bucks a gallon is nothing. A gallon of water costs a dollar, and water falls out of the sky for free.

[Edited on 2-24-2021 by bajaric]

AKgringo - 2-24-2021 at 12:50 PM

A gallon of gas, or a latte at Starbucks? Make mine gas, I can make my own damn coffee if I need to, but try brewing up a jug high octane!

motoged - 2-24-2021 at 12:50 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajaric

A refreshing, if somewhat amateurish video. Maybe if all the cars were electric we could see the stars again.

The main issue with electric vehicles is that gas is just incredibly cheap, for the amount of energy it releases.

I think the video refutes the notion of "cost" of that effectiveness.

What is interesting is that the video was produced in Alberta (our version of Texas in so many [unfortunate] ways) ....a petro-dependent province. Probably not a generally popular view in that culture.

Possibilities of hydrogen

AKgringo - 2-25-2021 at 08:31 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo

wind and solar are practically useless for much of the year in the northern latitudes!

Yeah... going renewable would imply some seriously long-term storage (i.e. months).

I'm surprised the U.S. isn't investing more heavily in hydrogen technologies; seems like it might be an option for seasonal energy storage.

This could be a game changer in creating the vehicles, and infrastructure necessary to make the change!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/news/sweden-will-soon-be-hom...

pacificobob - 2-25-2021 at 10:05 AM

ya, but what about all the resulting cancer cases caused by green energy?

motoged - 2-26-2021 at 12:20 AM

Quote: Originally posted by lencho

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

ya, but what about all the resulting cancer cases caused by green energy?

= sarcasm

pacificobob - 2-26-2021 at 08:04 AM

thanks ged...i should have used the sarcasm emoji

AKgringo - 2-26-2021 at 08:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

thanks ged...i should have used the sarcasm emoji

Welcome to the club! My one-liners and other attempts at humor frequently bomb. I guess I should use more emojis, like :lol:

pacificobob - 2-26-2021 at 09:34 AM

heck..there are a million ways for
miscommunication verbally....in print , even more

Don Pisto - 2-26-2021 at 09:41 AM

more on the hydrogen debate, its not over yet, from the ASO.....
"The Dakar has always been an open laboratory and we have decided within the ASO to go forward towards alternative motorization.

It means that as of today, the Dakar will slowly but surely move towards hydrogen. The idea for us that in 2030, we’ll only have hydrogen-fueled vehicles, and I mean by that for cars and trucks.

For that, there will be a transition period: the first phase will be in 2026 when all the elite cars and trucks will be concerned. Then, it will be all vehicles for 2030."

sooooo.....Robby Gordon bet get crackin'! :coolup:

95% of hydrogen production is from fossil fuels!

AKgringo - 2-26-2021 at 10:25 AM

I don't know how you feel about Wikipedia, but here is the link; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_production

I was a seasonal employee for the weather service one construction season, and worked on, and around the electrolysis units that generated hydrogen for launching weather balloons. The stuff can be dangerous, think of the Hindenburg (Oh the humanity!)!

AKgringo - 2-26-2021 at 01:17 PM

Lencho, I don't know what was used in most places, the weather stations I was sent to were off the road system in bush Alaska, so the helium tanks that were there for a back up came in by air freight. That made helium even more expensive!

My brief employment with the weather service was in the late 80s, and back then, all of the weather balloons within the system were supposed to be launched simultaneously (within a certain time frame). There was helium on hand if the first balloon failed to reach altitude for any reason.

I don't even know how much they are used anymore since much of the data is now gathered by satellites and fixed stations.

By the way, in the hydrogen generating facility, there were no electical outlets or switches, power tools and cords were prohibited, and any hand tools used were bronze to avoid creating a spark!

The byproduct of creating hydrogen from water, is oxygen! It was just vented out into the atmosphere, and according to the permanent station employee, it was sometimes a useful tool to treat a hangover!

[Edited on 2-27-2021 by AKgringo]

mtgoat666 - 2-26-2021 at 02:12 PM

Dilithium crystals are the future. George Soros has already staked out the only known source and is estimating beginning of mining operations in 2030.

AKgringo - 2-26-2021 at 02:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666

Dilithium crystals are the future. George Soros has already staked out the only known source and is estimating beginning of mining operations in 2030.

I'll bet Elon Musk gets there first, he has his own rockets!

[Edited on 2-26-2021 by AKgringo]