BajaNomad

Nomadland??? (Golden Globe award)

thebajarunner - 3-1-2021 at 11:10 AM

Doug,
Did you start a new themepark and neglect to inform us?

Looking forward to seeing all about this new venture
Do Nomads get a discount???

mtgoat666 - 3-12-2021 at 07:25 AM


Nomadland, great movie!

Ateo - 3-12-2021 at 08:47 AM

Really look forward to watching this tonight on Hulu. Need to sign up for a temporary memberships or introductory plan tho first.

chuckie - 3-12-2021 at 11:13 AM

Iwatched it ....Thought it was a very depressing film...

BajaBlanca - 3-14-2021 at 07:30 AM

Just watched the trailer and what outstanding landscape!

BajaNomad - 3-14-2021 at 11:35 AM

Quote: Originally posted by thebajarunner  
Doug,
Did you start a new themepark and neglect to inform us?

Looking forward to seeing all about this new venture
Do Nomads get a discount???


Themepark... :lol::lol:

Baja California is a theme park. Just sayin'.... :biggrin: ;)

BajaTed - 3-14-2021 at 06:36 PM

Quartzite is the biggest Geezer fest in the country.
I buy raw Geode's there and cut them.
Adult day care bars with good food.

pacificobob - 3-15-2021 at 08:29 AM

homelessness [houselessness] is a symptom of the redistribution of wealth.
to blame it on an economic hiccup is only partially correct.
this is a growing demographic that will do so exponentially. i find resistance to the $15@hr min wage a conscious effort to make these changes. IMO

JohnMcfrog - 3-16-2021 at 05:41 PM

When I saw the movie, I felt that it was completely removed from the documentary style of the book. The movie was a little slow and swallowed in the morass of loss. Great material for a definitive movie, but not up to the wonderful scope of the book.

Doug/Vamonos - 3-20-2021 at 08:16 AM

Saw it last night. Sorry, but it sucked. And what a crappy ending.

del mar - 4-25-2021 at 08:15 PM

CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!

JZ - 4-25-2021 at 10:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  


Themepark... :lol::lol:

Baja California is a theme park. Just sayin'.... :biggrin: ;)


When I was about 30, a realtor down in Sonora who was about 55, said to me, "Mexico is Disneyland for adults."

That always stuck with me.


[Edited on 4-26-2021 by JZ]

Lee - 4-25-2021 at 10:21 PM

I like Frances McDormand starting with Blood Simple, Fargo, Almost Famous. I've RV'd for 20 years and know these people. They hang at military bases, state parks, the desert. Sometimes strange and kooky a lot of times real and genuine. Gravitas.

Gotten compassion along the way for the privileges I've been given in life.

Big Coen Brothers fan. O Brother..., No Country..., Burn after Reading, Raising Arizona, Big Lebowski, the list goes on.

RFClark - 4-25-2021 at 10:51 PM

I worked with them (The Cohen Bros) a couple times! Tossing the body into the chipper in Fargo is them!

John Harper - 4-26-2021 at 05:50 AM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob  
I find resistance to the $15@hr min wage a conscious effort to make these changes. IMO


So, you are in favor of a $15 minimum wage? This sentence is confusing, but it seems you are.

I agree. There are several vehicular "nomads" that park on my nearby public street. I don't bother them, so far they've been harmless. Not as disrespectful as my own neighbors who leave their little bags of dog poop around for others (me) to pick up and put in the provided "dog poop stations" that I pay for as part of my association fees. A $15 minimum wage will also put less pressure on Medicaid, SNAP, and Section 8 housing. As it is, employers are "socializing" a lot of the costs of maintaining a healthy, productive, and reliable workforce. That needs to change.

At least if your filet mignon costs a couple bucks more you can decide to buy it or not. With taxes, we don’t have the luxury of a “free market” decision to just eat elsewhere. I’m surprised some on the right don’t seem to realize who the “socialists” really are today.

John


[Edited on 4-26-2021 by John Harper]

RFClark - 4-26-2021 at 10:17 AM

John,

If giving the “Nomads” free housing wont keep them off the street why would paying them $15 per hour to be a food tech in a FF joint get them off the street?

Europe and the UK are the “Socialist Models” for the Left in the U.S. Both have several Nomadic populations, the Irish Travelers and the Romany, who have lived in caravan parks and farm fields for generations. Both groups move locations from time to time preferring not to be tied to any one place. For some it’s not about money, it’s about freedom!

I’ve lived in trailer parks in the U.S. several times between houses and find there to be several different populations. The majority short term transients tend to be retirees or vacationers who are traveling. The longer term residents are retirees or those with disabilities who can't afford to rent or buy a place to live. A different class of long term residents are skilled craftsmen who work construction projects in the area.They move as the work moves. Some spend their professional lives this way.

Humans started out as Nomads, cities and towns are a result of agriculture and manufacturing. Some of us still are Nomads. Buying and selling houses is similar to moving from place to place in a van. It’s just slower.

The point is generally it’s not about the $15/hr and $15 or even $20 won't stop much of it. The Nomads will move outward to the Moon, Mars and beyond eventually!

The Farmers will inherit the Earth!

John Harper - 4-26-2021 at 10:50 AM

RF,

You seem to think all homeless are just adult males with substance abuse or mental illness. Do you understand that these programs are set up to help families and children facing catastrophic economic troubles?

Do you realize how many children are homeless, insecure, and hungry?

I’m not trying to save those who refuse help, no one can. Just provide some services for those caught in terrible circumstances too often not of their own making. Those wanting out of their situation.

As usual, simplistic solutions to complex problems are rarely successful. Like “trickle down” tax theory. That dog just don’t hunt.

Let’s just round up all those problem homeless and exterminate them. There’s another simplistic solution to the problem. Or, do you have any ideas? We are all “the government” so its our problem. I wish I had a great solution but I don’t.

John

RFClark - 4-26-2021 at 11:38 AM

John,

How much time have you spent among the “homeless”?

I worked with Crack Babies back before they were a popular liberal cause! A long time ago when I attended college there was an urban legend of hunger and malnutrition stalking the land. Since at the time I worked in the medical field with neonates and pediatrics as well as traveled the world I had some knowledge of the situation on the ground as opposed to in the “better universities “!

The only case of rickets I ever encountered was not in the US but Japan in Nagano. I met a Japanese woman in her ‘90s who, in fact suffered from rickets! None of the medical staffs in US hospitals that I dealt with had ever seen any cases in the US!

Were you to read what I wrote you might understand that in my opinion The “just raise the minimum wage” approach is the simplistic view to a very old and complex problem!

The “round up and exterminate them” approach is how Liberal Europe has been dealing with the “nomad problem” for a very long time! The Nomads are with them yet! My cousin is buried in the US cemetery in Luxembourg as a result of our attempt to end that extermination!

There are different populations of Nomads which have different economics and reasons for their existence, Those who require help, require different sorts of complex help not a one sort fits all approach.

That said Nomadism per se is not a problem for government but a personal choice and allowances should be made for its existence. Those allowances are a function of government as well as a failure of same!

JZ - 4-26-2021 at 12:41 PM

Regarding the $15/hr min wage. You guys need to talk to some small business owners. They have very small profit margins. They will be forced to work with less staff and/or pass the added costs on to customers. Which means what you can get for $15/hr is less.

Also remember, what makes sense for a min wage in CA, doesn't make sense every where else. This is a complex issue.

Btw, I pay our interns $20-$30/hr because it makes business sense for me.




[Edited on 4-26-2021 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 4-26-2021 at 01:47 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Regarding the $15/hr min wage. You guys need to talk to some small business owners. They have very small profit margins. They will be forced to work with less staff and/or pass the added costs on to customers. Which means what you can get for $15/hr is less.

Also remember, what makes sense for a min wage in CA, doesn't make sense every where else. This is a complex issue.

Btw, I pay our interns $20-$30/hr because it makes business sense for me.




[Edited on 4-26-2021 by JZ]


Large and small businesses can afford to pay low wages because they rely on government to provide their employees with food stamps, section 8 housing and other welfare.

If a business can’t afford to pay living wage and relies on welfare programs for their employees to survive, then perhaps the business should not be in business, eh?

JZ - 4-26-2021 at 02:16 PM

All that does is increase what a living wage is. Increasing inflation.

Yesterday I went to a sushi restaurant. Still not open for in dining. I asked why, are they afraid?, and he says, "Nobody wants to work, they are all enjoying their EDD."

It's like someone is trying to buy votes and keep the poor, poor and on the govt. tit.

John Harper - 4-26-2021 at 03:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
All that does is increase what a living wage is. Increasing inflation.

Yesterday I went to a sushi restaurant. Still not open for in dining. I asked why, are they afraid?, and he says, "Nobody wants to work, they are all enjoying their EDD."

It's like someone is trying to buy votes and keep the poor, poor and on the govt. tit.


What a lame excuse the owners make. Being closed better than paying the workers a bit more and charging people who can easily pay, a bit more? Come on, JZ. Even you don't believe that crap. I'd wager the owners took a PPP loan and are sucking the government tit as well. Why would anyone keep a business closed for such a lame excuse?

Paying someone enough so EDD, Medicaid, SNAP are unnecessary is the entire purpose of a $15 wage.

And, you need to take an economics course and learn exactly what inflation is, and is not. The price of renting alone is already sky high, where are they supposed to get that extra money? You are very lucky, as am I, but so many others are not. We really have no clue in our lily white crime free neighborhoods. Maybe a lost cat or dog, that's our worry.

I think someone who just bought a brand new RZR could also maybe pay a bit more for sushi so the owners could pay more to their workers and get them back. How much money do they make from a closed sushi bar? Maybe an open bar with slightly higher prices would be an improvement for them, and their workers? And, you can always leave a tip, if that's something you believe in. I do hope you're not like Steve Buscemi's character (Mr. Pink) in Reservoir Dogs, are you?

I bet you probably tip very well, actually. Good for you!

You did want to eat sushi, right? Here's your solution. Bon Apetit!

John






[Edited on 4-26-2021 by John Harper]

JZ - 4-26-2021 at 03:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  


What a lame excuse the owners make. Being closed better than paying the workers a bit more and charging people who can easily pay, a bit more? Come on, JZ. Even you don't believe that crap.

Paying someone enough so EDD, Medicaid, SNAP are unnecessary is the entire purpose of a $15 wage.

And, you need to take an economics course and learn exactly what inflation is, and is not.

I think someone who just bought a brand new RZR could also maybe pay a bit more for sushi so the owners could pay more to their workers and get them back. How much money do they make from a closed sushi bar? Maybe an open bar with slightly higher prices would be an improvement for them, and their workers? And, you can always leave a tip, if that's something you believe in. I do hope you're not like Steve Buscemi's character (Mr. Pink) in Reservoir Dogs, are you?

I bet you probably tip very well, actually. Good for you!

You did want to eat sushi, right? Here's your solution. Bon Apetit!

John


[Edited on 4-26-2021 by John Harper]


It "might" be ok in CA, but sure isn't ok for Alabama, etc.

Even in CA, paying someone a "minimum" of $31K/year is a lot of coin for a business.

I don't think you guys have thought this through very well. Go talk to some small biz owners. Even the left leaning ones will tell you it's not a good idea.




[Edited on 4-26-2021 by JZ]

Bajabus - 4-26-2021 at 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  


Large and small businesses can afford to pay low wages because they rely on government to provide their employees with food stamps, section 8 housing and other welfare.

If a business can’t afford to pay living wage and relies on welfare programs for their employees to survive, then perhaps the business should not be in business, eh?


BINGO we all subsidize their cheap ass crap. Walmart comes to mind.

John Harper - 4-26-2021 at 03:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  

I don't think you guys have thought this through very well. Go talk to some small biz owners. Even the left leaning ones will tell you it's not a good idea.


I was in the business world many years, even have an MBA in Finance. If I was a small business owner and knew I could pay my employees much less because they could just qualify for SNAP, Medicaid, etc, you're damn right I'd do it. Who wouldn't pass on the cost to the taxpayers if you could. That's just "smart" in the eyes of capitalists and also the "former guy." Paying $15 means I might have to adjust my business model or raise prices, but it also affects my competitors, so it's really a moot point, since it affects all businesses, not just mine.

Just ask Walmart, that's been their business model for years.

Same a forcing business to adopt E-Verify, so there is no chance of employing undocumented workers, with stiff fines for violations. Problem solved on that front too. Why does business resist E-Verify? So they can hire undocumented workers, pay them less, and profit.

And, what's wrong with paying $15 an hour in Alabama? Maybe your oysters might cost another $3 a dozen, you can afford it, or order clams.

John

[Edited on 4-26-2021 by John Harper]

JZ - 4-26-2021 at 03:53 PM

Oysters are awful. Calms and mussels are money.

John Harper - 4-26-2021 at 04:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Oysters are awful. Calms and mussels are money.



I love them all, amigo!

John

drzura - 4-26-2021 at 05:13 PM

I think there is a lot of blame to go around for the predicament the US, as well as other countries, is currently in. Free trade agreements made it easier for companies to move manufacturing operations overseas where labor is much cheaper, killing much of the middle class here in the US. Additionally, automation has made it possible to reduce the workforce even further by using robotics and other processes to complete menial repetive tasks. The adoption of artificial intelligence (AI) has the potential to replace many white collar workers; you might not need an accountant or possibly management positions in the future. Undoubtedly, the creation and destruction of technology brings new career fields and opporutinities, but I believe we are currently behind the eight ball in regards to educating the population for many of these new fields. Sure, we can raise the minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour, but what will businesses do when that happens? I think they will invest in more automation to reduce labor costs even further. Don't get me wrong, I do not believe the minimum wage has not kept up with inflation, especially in places like California. I can forsee in the future where the goverment will tax businesses for each robotic mechanism used to help pay for social programs. On a serious note, I just looked at the national debt clock, which is currently more than $28,000,000,000,000. I would like to hear some honest ideas from fellow Nomads on how they think that will be paid, if at all. I think the country is more fooked than just raising minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour. Out of curiosity, what is the current minimum wage in Mexico?

del mar - 4-26-2021 at 05:28 PM

Out of curiosity, what is the current minimum wage in Mexico?

they just raised it, still under eight bucks a day:(

John Harper - 4-26-2021 at 06:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
On a serious note, I just looked at the national debt clock, which is currently more than $28,000,000,000,000. I would like to hear some honest ideas from fellow Nomads on how they think that will be paid, if at all.


The United States is an "ongoing concern" in business terms. But, we are not a business. We can borrow, spend, and print money. As long as there is "full faith" in the future of the USA, there is no problem with debt. Older theories about national debt impacting the credit market have shown to be less impactful than predicted. Kind of like the power of tax cuts for the rich providing higher wages, etc. We know how that works.

Either way, take a look at Modern Monetarist Theory, it has its merits. Global monetary demand is more important than most people think. It was called "petrodollars" in the 1980's, just evolved into MMT, as economists realized all those petrodollars were absorbed into the global economy.

The result: low inflation for a long time now, and with projected growth to absorb the new spending and dollar market, probably low inflation as well.

Obviously, certain markets will fluctuate. Supply and demand still exert a lot of force on prices, more than an oversupply of dollars. Look at rent in Los Angeles, completely based on limited supply/high demand. Let's pay $15 and hour in Alabama, Mississippi, etc and take the pressure off housing in Los Angeles. Give people a reason to move to places with excess housing.

John

[Edited on 4-27-2021 by John Harper]

drzura - 4-26-2021 at 06:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
On a serious note, I just looked at the national debt clock, which is currently more than $28,000,000,000,000. I would like to hear some honest ideas from fellow Nomads on how they think that will be paid, if at all.


The United States is an "ongoing concern" in business terms. But, we are not a business. We can borrow, spend, and print money. As long as there is "full faith" in the future of the USA, there is no problem with debt. Older theories about national debt impacting the credit market have shown to be less impactful than predicted. Kind of like the power of tax cuts for the rich providing higher wages, etc. We know how that works.

Either way, take a look at Modern Monetarist Theory, it has its merits. Global monetary demand is more important than most people think. It was called "petrodollars" in the 1980's, just evolved into MMT, as economists realized all those petrodollars were absorbed into the global economy.

The result: low inflation for a long time now, and with projected growth to absorb the new spending and dollar market, probably low inflation as well.

Obviously, certain markets will fluctuate. Supply and demand still exert a lot of force on prices, more than an oversupply of dollars. Look at rent in Los Angeles, completely based on limited supply/high demand. Let's pay $15 and hour in Alabama, Mississippi, etc and take the pressure off housing in Los Angeles. Give people a reason to move to places with excess housing.

John

[Edited on 4-27-2021 by John Harper]


I see you said that "We can borrow, spend, and print money". Do we ever have to pay it back? Do you think we can legitimately pay it back? I am just thinking that there has to be some dollar ceiling where people will not have "full faith" that it will ever be paid back. I do not know what that dollar amount is and nor does anyone else. I heard that if interest rates ever normalized, the country would be screwed. Well.. someone told me it's all funny money anyways not backed by anything. Should probably just enjoy the ride while it lasts. :biggrin:

mtgoat666 - 4-26-2021 at 07:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
On a serious note, I just looked at the national debt clock, which is currently more than $28,000,000,000,000. I would like to hear some honest ideas from fellow Nomads on how they think that will be paid, if at all.


The United States is an "ongoing concern" in business terms. But, we are not a business. We can borrow, spend, and print money. As long as there is "full faith" in the future of the USA, there is no problem with debt. Older theories about national debt impacting the credit market have shown to be less impactful than predicted. Kind of like the power of tax cuts for the rich providing higher wages, etc. We know how that works.

Either way, take a look at Modern Monetarist Theory, it has its merits. Global monetary demand is more important than most people think. It was called "petrodollars" in the 1980's, just evolved into MMT, as economists realized all those petrodollars were absorbed into the global economy.

The result: low inflation for a long time now, and with projected growth to absorb the new spending and dollar market, probably low inflation as well.

Obviously, certain markets will fluctuate. Supply and demand still exert a lot of force on prices, more than an oversupply of dollars. Look at rent in Los Angeles, completely based on limited supply/high demand. Let's pay $15 and hour in Alabama, Mississippi, etc and take the pressure off housing in Los Angeles. Give people a reason to move to places with excess housing.

John

[Edited on 4-27-2021 by John Harper]


I see you said that "We can borrow, spend, and print money". Do we ever have to pay it back? Do you think we can legitimately pay it back? I am just thinking that there has to be some dollar ceiling where people will not have "full faith" that it will ever be paid back. I do not know what that dollar amount is and nor does anyone else. I heard that if interest rates ever normalized, the country would be screwed. Well.. someone told me it's all funny money anyways not backed by anything. Should probably just enjoy the ride while it lasts. :biggrin:


Well, as long as the GOPers keep cutting taxes, and dems and GOP won’t cut spending, the debt will rise.
The logical thing to admit is that we all like government services, and we all just need to pay taxes to fund govt services.




drzura - 4-26-2021 at 07:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
Quote: Originally posted by drzura  
On a serious note, I just looked at the national debt clock, which is currently more than $28,000,000,000,000. I would like to hear some honest ideas from fellow Nomads on how they think that will be paid, if at all.


The United States is an "ongoing concern" in business terms. But, we are not a business. We can borrow, spend, and print money. As long as there is "full faith" in the future of the USA, there is no problem with debt. Older theories about national debt impacting the credit market have shown to be less impactful than predicted. Kind of like the power of tax cuts for the rich providing higher wages, etc. We know how that works.

Either way, take a look at Modern Monetarist Theory, it has its merits. Global monetary demand is more important than most people think. It was called "petrodollars" in the 1980's, just evolved into MMT, as economists realized all those petrodollars were absorbed into the global economy.

The result: low inflation for a long time now, and with projected growth to absorb the new spending and dollar market, probably low inflation as well.

Obviously, certain markets will fluctuate. Supply and demand still exert a lot of force on prices, more than an oversupply of dollars. Look at rent in Los Angeles, completely based on limited supply/high demand. Let's pay $15 and hour in Alabama, Mississippi, etc and take the pressure off housing in Los Angeles. Give people a reason to move to places with excess housing.

John

[Edited on 4-27-2021 by John Harper]


I see you said that "We can borrow, spend, and print money". Do we ever have to pay it back? Do you think we can legitimately pay it back? I am just thinking that there has to be some dollar ceiling where people will not have "full faith" that it will ever be paid back. I do not know what that dollar amount is and nor does anyone else. I heard that if interest rates ever normalized, the country would be screwed. Well.. someone told me it's all funny money anyways not backed by anything. Should probably just enjoy the ride while it lasts. :biggrin:


Well, as long as the GOPers keep cutting taxes, and dems and GOP won’t cut spending, the debt will rise.
The logical thing to admit is that we all like government services, and we all just need to pay taxes to fund govt services.






I would tend to agree with you to a certain point, but I think government has gotten too big and keeps getting bigger every single year. I also believe EVERYONE, including corporations, should pay taxes, whether a flat tax with zero deductions is the answer... I do not know. The country needs to debate the appropriate size of government and should have to pay for it... a balanced budget.

ch47pilot - 4-27-2021 at 06:02 AM

What in the world does all this have to do with our beloved Baja ?

bajatrailrider - 4-27-2021 at 02:49 PM

It has nothing to do with Baja. It's about people caged up in the house . With nothing better to do get a life people enjoy it 🙂.

thebajarunner - 4-27-2021 at 02:58 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider  
It has nothing to do with Baja. It's about people caged up in the house . With nothing better to do get a life people enjoy it 🙂.


x2

KasloKid - 4-27-2021 at 04:46 PM

What in the HELL does all this chatter to do with Nomadland?
Both my wife and I enjoyed the show....



[Edited on 4-28-2021 by KasloKid]

del mar - 4-27-2021 at 05:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!


it was me.....:no: it was dead and buried then sunday night I had to open my big mouth, from there we took off to walmart, clams and oysters then on to minimum wage.......sorry

surabi - 4-27-2021 at 06:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
Out of curiosity, what is the current minimum wage in Mexico?

they just raised it, still under eight bucks a day:(


I can assure you that while the Mexican minimum wage is absurdly low, that isn't what Mexicans earn anywhere that is touristy or has a visible expat population. You can't get a maid or a gardener where I live for less than 100 pesos/hour. And skilled labor is quite a bit more.

del mar - 4-27-2021 at 06:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by del mar  
Out of curiosity, what is the current minimum wage in Mexico?

they just raised it, still under eight bucks a day:(


I can assure you that while the Mexican minimum wage is absurdly low, that isn't what Mexicans earn anywhere that is touristy or has a visible expat population. You can't get a maid or a gardener where I live for less than 100 pesos/hour. And skilled labor is quite a bit more.


yup..that wasn't really the question though was it:rolleyes: