BajaNomad - Baja Troubles (at Cantamar).

Makes renting look better and better!

Just don't build on leased land.

mtgoat666 - 4-10-2021 at 06:08 PM

Makes renting look better and better!

Just don't build on leased land.

Better to rent.
The govts in baja have little interest in administering fair or reliable real estate law.
Leases and property title are worthless pieces of paper, often not honored, and the litigation/courts are a chit show.
If ownership is your thing, stick to buying is USA or a country where legal system of property ownership is fair and predictable.
Renting is great, you can pack up and go when things start to go to hell in a hand basket :light:

JC43 - 4-10-2021 at 07:48 PM

Makes renting look better and better!

Just don't build on leased land.

Those who say renting is better just don`t have any idea about buying a home in Mexico. To lazy to make their homework! Buying or constructing a home is as safe as in the U.S. Just do your homework. But those who are coming to Baja once a year for two weeks are pretending to know everything. Badmouthing Baja - or Mexico in general- without having the necessary knowledge about buying or constructing a home. We just had the thread here in Nomad about building on leased land and adding new parts to a house which is not yours. In one word: Stupid is who stupid does.

baja Steve - 4-10-2021 at 08:00 PM

I agree with JC43

mtgoat666 - 4-10-2021 at 08:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by baja Steve

I agree with JC43

It’s all fun and games until chit hits the fan and y’all realize you got robbed.
Some win, some don’t.
At least in USA, people can’t plain rob you of your property, and you have real title reports, and real title insurance. In Mexico, even a well-researched, seemingly secure property, can be flocked up by just one crazy flock dishonest flock relative waging a legal war for some 20-year-old title transfer, some ancient deceased person, whatever, your property is never safe if someone sets their eyes on robbing you with some bullchit story about their grandpa 30 years ago... and gringos are flocked from word go in the courts.

[Edited on 4-11-2021 by mtgoat666]

JZ - 4-10-2021 at 08:47 PM

You have never owned property in MX. So you are speaking about something you have very little knowledge of. You have just read a couple internet articles and are trying to pawn yourself off as some kind of expert.

I haven't even seen evidence that you go to Mexico.

Just typical Goat peddling constant doom and gloom at everyone.

[Edited on 4-11-2021 by JZ]

surabi - 4-10-2021 at 09:22 PM

Sure, I know people who got screwed in land deals in Mexico. They're the ones who didn't do their homework, didn't take it to the right people to look over to make sure everything was in order, or bought ejido land or had a presta nombre or leased the land.

If you do everything right and have a fideicomiso or can own it in your own name because it's inland, I don't know anyone who's gotten screwed.

My property was already regularized when I bought it, I knew the guy I bought it from and the guy who he bought it from.

Why would I want to put rent money in someone else's pocket when I live in Mexico full time?

If you're talking about clueless gringos who just come down for a few months a year, then yeah, those people should probably just rent.

mtgoat666 - 4-10-2021 at 10:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

My property was already regularized when I bought it, I knew the guy I bought it from and the guy who he bought it from.

Ya, but do you know all the children (legitimate and illegitimate) of the guy you bought it from.

The great thing about buying property in USA is that I don’t have to know the guy I bought it from or the guy he bought it from, or his kids, or his bastard children.

What does knowing the guys have to do with anything, except you are saying you trust them? But do you trust the contract to be honored in court when you can no longer trust the sellers?

JC43 - 4-11-2021 at 07:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by baja Steve

I agree with JC43

The only chit which hits the fan, is goats opinion. An opinion from a guy having no knowledge of Baja. Thinking of all the Nomads owning property in Baja, his opinion is a hit in the face. Thinking of those thousands of US Citizens only here in Cabo San Lucas which own properties, goat is clearly saying, those U.S. Citizens are all stupid. And here in Cabo US Citizens own homes, say Villas or palaces for 10 or 20 million USD!
All stupid? And here there are maybe some thousands of folks owning properties. Now think about all over Mexico. Tens of thousands U.S. Citizens owning properties! All stupid? If one is stupid enough not to do his homework, he doesn`t deserve better. My opinion.

JC43 - 4-11-2021 at 08:08 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

My property was already regularized when I bought it, I knew the guy I bought it from and the guy who he bought it from.

Well, if you thing knowing or not knowing the seller is the only homework you have to do buying property in Mexico, I strongly believe you have not the slightest idea about Baja. :fire:

Even inside the U.S. that is not the only thing which has to be accomplished. Real Estate Lawyer here and there. I also think you should not travel to Baja. Stay where you are and be happy. Do not poison this board with chit.

advrider - 4-11-2021 at 08:23 PM

Wanting to rent and buying have nothing to do with being scared to buy in Baja, it's the ability to move around and not be stuck in one spot. Also being that I own several houses in California I don't want more property to maintain.
If I found an area that I liked and wanted to call home then I would spend the money and time to make sure that I was buying legal property. I would not build or buy on leased land, just not for me.

JZ - 4-11-2021 at 08:29 PM

Wanting to rent and buying have nothing to do with being scared to buy in Baja, it's the ability to move around and not be stuck in one spot. Also being that I own several houses in California I don't want more property to maintain.
If I found an area that I liked and wanted to call home then I would spend the money and time to make sure that I was buying legal property. I would not build or buy on leased land, just not for me.

Renting before buying in Baja is an excellent idea.

So many advantages to that.

JC43 - 4-11-2021 at 10:22 PM

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-12/american...

Renting before buying in Baja is an excellent idea.
So many advantages to that.

I can not agree more thinking of those folks coming to Baja for the first time and thinking of buying something. Nonsense to say: First learn. Then buy. But I think this thread is about all folks living in Baja. At least for several month or even permanently. Goats warning was meant not to buy in general. Because he does not understand the basics. (Homework is something we all learned in first class elementary school. Except those who failed first class) :lol:

David K - 4-11-2021 at 10:24 PM

Who lives or has property in Cantamar, because that is the subject?
I will reach out to one Nomad I know who has or had a home there and ask.

The Truth at Cantamar

David K - 4-12-2021 at 09:01 AM

From my amigo, who asked to remain anonymous after reading this thread:

"We were in Cantamar last week when that story broke. I do appreciate your not mentioning my name. Please don't.

"However, as a long time tenant we've observed the battle for ownership. In the confusion some people did not keep their maintenance payments current. The tougher new management has decided not to give them a free ride any longer and has denied entrance to several and evicted a couple of others. They were actually squatters. The media seem to interview the loudest voices, not the numerous people who have no problem. I never even heard of that one guy, but found out he just has a lot there.

"It's a shame as the bad publicity was been very damaging, and it's true that there has been a ton of confusion and some folks have just walked away from their modest investments. But there are still some nice homes in there and people are continuing to enhance their properties. Homeowners who are current with any type of assessed maintenance fees have had no problem."

Cantamar got locked up

BajaTed - 4-12-2021 at 11:11 AM

Family patriarch dies and all the relatives end up squabbling over what should happen to property.

I remember when the Pemex there shut down because of the family.
Now the dispute has embroiled the expats who live there too.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-califo...

advrider - 4-12-2021 at 11:20 AM

WOW, the other side of the story shines a little light on the subject. What the media is not telling the truth, how can this be? People not paying the bills being shut out, how dare they. More people blowing up Mexico because they didn't get there way, sounds like more ugly Americans in Baja. Thanks David.

del mar - 4-12-2021 at 11:34 AM

I remember years ago shortly after Carlos died the Borja girls with new found wealth all went out and bought breast implants! god bless em
( . Y . )

JC43 - 4-12-2021 at 04:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

From my amigo, who asked to remain anonymous after reading this thread:

"We were in Cantamar last week when that story broke. I do appreciate your not mentioning my name. Please don't.

"However, as a long time tenant we've observed the battle for ownership. In the confusion some people did not keep their maintenance payments current. The tougher new management has decided not to give them a free ride any longer and has denied entrance to several and evicted a couple of others. They were actually squatters. The media seem to interview the loudest voices, not the numerous people who have no problem. I never even heard of that one guy, but found out he just has a lot there.

"It's a shame as the bad publicity was been very damaging, and it's true that there has been a ton of confusion and some folks have just walked away from their modest investments. But there are still some nice homes in there and people are continuing to enhance their properties. Homeowners who are current with any type of assessed maintenance fees have had no problem."

Isn`t it the same inside the U.S.? You don`t pay your bill (whatever bill that might be) you are out of the game. Same story some time ago with those guys adding a part to a house they didn`t own. Some folks are blaming their stupidity and mistakes on Mexico and Baja in particular cause they just don`t learn that they are stupid. Question remains: How can you teach a stupid guy to get rid of his stupidity??? :fire:

del mar - 4-12-2021 at 08:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JC43

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I don't know Justin....read the chit he posts on BN? you're a great example :rolleyes:

BajaNomad - 4-12-2021 at 11:12 PM

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-12/american...

JZ - 4-12-2021 at 11:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad

What is the truth of the matter Doug? Has the press exaggerated the situation?

willardguy - 4-12-2021 at 11:55 PM

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-04-12/american...

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad

What is the truth of the matter Doug? Has the press exaggerated the situation?

would you like me to refresh your memory about chit you've said right here buck?

BajaTed - 4-13-2021 at 06:39 AM

You get screwed in the states too.
Colorado River Indian Tribes (C.R.I.T.) in Cali are still taking peoples homes along the Colorado River.
I had the tribal leader tell me "they will never lease river front property to a white person again" The Big River lease expiring soon will displace hundreds of retirees, gonna be as interesting as Baja.

John Harper - 4-13-2021 at 07:47 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaTed

You get screwed in the states too.
Colorado River Indian Tribes (C.R.I.T.) in Cali are still taking peoples homes along the Colorado River.
I had the tribal leader tell me "they will never lease river front property to a white person again" The Big River lease expiring soon will displace hundreds of retirees, gonna be as interesting as Baja.

My buddy lost his place out there. They cut off water and electricity. He tried to handle it with no AC but it was unbearable and finally he just walked away. Left his boat and trailer too

John

[Edited on 4-14-2021 by John Harper]

pacificobob - 4-13-2021 at 08:08 AM

WOW, the other side of the story shines a little light on the subject. What the media is not telling the truth, how can this be? People not paying the bills being shut out, how dare they. More people blowing up Mexico because they didn't get there way, sounds like more ugly Americans in Baja. Thanks David.

nothing easier to sell than fear

surabi - 4-13-2021 at 08:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi

My property was already regularized when I bought it, I knew the guy I bought it from and the guy who he bought it from.

You have no idea what you are blithering about, you have no idea what is safe in terms of land deals in Mexico and what isn't. You obviously don't know what regularized property means, either. It means it has a clear title. And when you have the property in a bank trust, the bank has the title. No sons or daughters of the seller get to come out of the woodwork and make a claim on the property.

And yes, by the way, the man I bought it from died years ago and I know his children. I also know the man he originally bought it from, and his children, they are my neighbors. Really good people
Not everyone is some scammer, out to screw you as you seem to believe.

[Edited on 4-14-2021 by surabi]

BajaTed - 4-14-2021 at 06:53 AM

The sanctity of a contract is the difference between Mexico and the states.
Mexican banks don't ever assert their roles in a Fideocomiso, they always remain neutral and let the other two parties in the trust fight it out. This dispute is about "maintenance fees" which is legally not in the realm of the Fideocomiso. It's about the money the bastard heir has decided is now owed to them. In the states, the probate system is your recourse for badly acting trust executors, no such entity exists in Mexico.
The whole town of Desert Center CA. is the legal equivalent of what is happening in Baja, the children heirs couldn't agree to lease rates of 1200 acres, so the leasers cried foul and the CA. State probate system steps in and "freezes the asset" to force arbitration until a compromise is achieved.
CAVEAT EMPTOR

mtgoat666 - 4-14-2021 at 07:06 AM

In USA if you don’t pay HOA fees in a gated community, the HOA typically does not lock you out. The HOA can place a lien, the courts or arbitration can settle disputes.
The problem in this example is that Baja is the Wild West where crazy flock heirs lock people out and demand fees that may or may not be legal.
Baja is flocked because the courts are not effective means for settling these disputes.

JC43 - 4-15-2021 at 09:24 AM