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Mexico’s Power Plants Burning Fuel So Dirty Ships Can’t Use It

unbob - 5-15-2021 at 03:41 PM

Maybe not "Baja News" but that is the question - anyone know what fuel is burned in Baja power plants? Especially the La Paz plant?

We're south and usually downwind of the LP plant so concerned or at least curious.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-14/mexican-p...

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2021 at 04:36 PM

The power plants burn fuel oil (aka bunker oil).

Don Pisto - 5-15-2021 at 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by unbob  
Maybe not "Baja News" but that is the question - anyone know what fuel is burned in Baja power plants? Especially the La Paz plant?

We're south and usually downwind of the LP plant so concerned or at least curious.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-14/mexican-p...


they allegedly were going to natural gas.....


https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/natural-gas-plant-to-begin-...

unbob - 5-15-2021 at 07:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
The power plants burn fuel oil (aka bunker oil).
The article states "Fuel oil is being burned at the six power plants owned by state utility Comision Federal de Electricidad, or CFE."

Does that include the plant outside La Paz?? Are there other power plants in Mexico not owned or operated by CFE?

4x4abc - 5-15-2021 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto  
Quote: Originally posted by unbob  
Maybe not "Baja News" but that is the question - anyone know what fuel is burned in Baja power plants? Especially the La Paz plant?

We're south and usually downwind of the LP plant so concerned or at least curious.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-14/mexican-p...


they allegedly were going to natural gas.....


https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/natural-gas-plant-to-begin-...


the natural gas plant, like the new windmills and the 100 MW solar installation are in addition to the dirty oil plants. Actually, they are building 2 more heavy oil plants. No filters, no cleaning. Nada.
Asthma inhalers are the highest selling item in La Paz pharmacies.

dirty.jpg - 46kB

mtgoat666 - 5-15-2021 at 10:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto  
Quote: Originally posted by unbob  
Maybe not "Baja News" but that is the question - anyone know what fuel is burned in Baja power plants? Especially the La Paz plant?

We're south and usually downwind of the LP plant so concerned or at least curious.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-14/mexican-p...


they allegedly were going to natural gas.....


https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/natural-gas-plant-to-begin-...


There is no PL to BCS. Not sure if LNG is economically viable compared to fuel oil…




AKgringo - 5-16-2021 at 06:51 AM

The coal fired plants near Fairbanks AK burn cleaner than what is coming out of the stacks in Harald's photo!

The land fill is right down the road from the power plant. I wonder if they are able to capture, and burn some of the methane from it to green things up a micro bit?

Don Jorge - 5-16-2021 at 07:10 AM

The CFE power plant at Puerto San Carlos BCS burns fuel oil. Fuel oil and bunker oil are the same and it is burned both in power plants and in ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil

There has been talk in PSC for a few years now about how the local power plant is being converted to burn LNG and as the poster noted above the contracts for the LNG terminal near La Paz and pipelines to deliver LNG have been awarded after a RFP process played out. Timelines that have been published are inaccurate. Construction starts mañana.

https://www.naturalgasintel.com/new-fortress-energy-inks-lng...

The construction of the LNG facility, conversion of existing power plants to LNG, upgrading and adding to transmission lines to provide power for increased mining operations in Baja will be welcome by most citizens of Baja.

Of course water will be the real key to the growth which is sure to follow these infrastructure improvements. Cleaner, readily available power will be a plus in the RO water which might be produced someday and in the distribution of existing water, ie aquifers, especially from the Vizcaino aquifers.

My friends in PSC are hopeful and and happy for these proposed changes. La Paz really needs cleaner power as the plant is close to town and prevailing winds for much of the year remind people just how close and just how dirty that plant is.

At least in PSC the prevailing winds take the exhaust smoke away from town and the stacks provide a navigation landmark for local mariners and are a pretty good wind speed and direction indicator when fishing locally.

mtgoat666 - 5-16-2021 at 08:42 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Jorge  
The CFE power plant at Puerto San Carlos BCS burns fuel oil. Fuel oil and bunker oil are the same and it is burned both in power plants and in ships.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_oil

There has been talk in PSC for a few years now about how the local power plant is being converted to burn LNG and as the poster noted above the contracts for the LNG terminal near La Paz and pipelines to deliver LNG have been awarded after a RFP process played out. Timelines that have been published are inaccurate. Construction starts mañana.

https://www.naturalgasintel.com/new-fortress-energy-inks-lng...

The construction of the LNG facility, conversion of existing power plants to LNG, upgrading and adding to transmission lines to provide power for increased mining operations in Baja will be welcome by most citizens of Baja.

Of course water will be the real key to the growth which is sure to follow these infrastructure improvements. Cleaner, readily available power will be a plus in the RO water which might be produced someday and in the distribution of existing water, ie aquifers, especially from the Vizcaino aquifers.

My friends in PSC are hopeful and and happy for these proposed changes. La Paz really needs cleaner power as the plant is close to town and prevailing winds for much of the year remind people just how close and just how dirty that plant is.

At least in PSC the prevailing winds take the exhaust smoke away from town and the stacks provide a navigation landmark for local mariners and are a pretty good wind speed and direction indicator when fishing locally.


If they import LNG, the plant could convert the burners so existing boilers are duel fuel. But they will still burn what is cheapest fuel, and that will likely be fuel oil.

They could fix things cheaper by adding scrubbers to boilers. Also, if Pemex refined a low sulfur fuel oil that would help too.

I suspect that adding scrubbers would be cheaper than building the LNG infrastructure…

4x4abc - 5-16-2021 at 10:02 AM

it is stone age capitalism in Baja.
Lives are worth nothing.
Population doesn't even know why their kids have asthma and people die young.
Journalists who dare to tell have no life expectancy.
There is some movement now in BCS, but they are not even able to get their point across.
Nothing significant will happen within the next 10 years.

The new gas power plant in La Paz is floating in the ocean. That way no pipeline needs to be built. Only the powerline to Puerto Pichiligue and from there to the Baja California Sur CFE power plant. For some reason there was no other intersection possible.

Water is not really a problem in BCS.
Plenty around.
Big agro (Texas size farms) consumes 90% of the water in BCS.
And remember capitalism?
The multi million agro companies will not give up their water for some thirsty Mexicans or needy tourists.

pacificobob - 5-18-2021 at 05:55 AM

stone age thinking indeed to not be using solar and wind exclusivly in a place like la paz.