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The Vaquita habitat is no longer protected - will go extinct

wilderone - 7-15-2021 at 09:02 AM

I read today that the Mexican government will not be enforcing fishing and boating restrictions in the areas where vaquita live. Whatever is left of any regulations is totally ineffective to prevent the vaquita from becoming extinct.
This is a very sad day.

LancairDriver - 7-15-2021 at 10:33 AM

Here’s a link to the story. Looks like they’re done for. Who’s next?

Open SmartNews and read "Vaquita marina: Mexico abandons fishing-free zone for rare endangered porpoise" here: https://share.smartnews.com/7XiQR

To read it on the web, tap here: https://share.smartnews.com/69daf

mtgoat666 - 7-15-2021 at 12:08 PM


https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mexico-gives-up-on-maintain...

Sad!

BajaNomad - 7-16-2021 at 08:58 PM


Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
"The government’s most recent analysis seems to accept the probability that the tiny porpoise species can never return to its original range of habitat... The inter-agency group of Mexican federal officials met Friday to consider recommending opening the Gulf of California to legal fishing of the totoaba, which was also placed on Mexico’s endangered species list in 1975. The animal’s dried swim bladder is considered a delicacy in China and can yield thousands of dollars... 'This agenda is focused on maintaining the status quo and abandoning the vaquita marina and returning to fishing for totoaba,' said Alex Olivera, the Mexico representative for the Center for Biological Diversity. 'It is disappointing that this administration has ruined everything that had been done' in a decade-long fight to save the tiny porpoise. The head of Mexico’s environmental ministry said once the protected area for the vaquita is reduced, the agency would consider lifting the ban on gillnets in some of the Gulf of California, also known as the Sea of Cortez. 'The possibility of modifying the area of prohibition of all gillnets is being studied,' said María Luisa Albores González, the head of Secretariat of Environment and Natural Resources (SEMARNAT, for its initials in Spanish). 'There are sufficient technical studies that point to a possible reduction of the polygon (protected area) according to the recent distribution of the vaquita porpoise in the area.'"

March 16, 2021
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-califo...

mtgoat666 - 7-16-2021 at 09:28 PM

They vacquita will go extinct, because people want to make a buck off fishing totoaba.
The totoaba will then soon got extinct (it is already endangered).
Vacquita to be sacrificed so they can fish for totoaba for a year or two before totoaba goes extinct too.

Just keep destroying the sea of Cortez! Soon all that will be left is jellyfish and crap fish no one will eat!

[Edited on 7-17-2021 by mtgoat666]

4x4abc - 7-16-2021 at 11:07 PM

don't worry about the Totoaba
has ben farmed for years
big money behind it - very big money

Pacifico Beer letting vaquitas die.

surfinggrandpa71 - 7-17-2021 at 02:15 PM

So I’ve been seeing all these Pacifico beer commercials in the USA. All very environmentally based shots, captions saying pacifico is saving hiking trails , keeping water clean , etc

Yet in Pacifico’s home country of Mexixo they don’t do a darn thing but turn their back and money on the vaquita dolphin It was announced this week that the vaquita will become extinct and that efforts to save it will stop. Throw a few million at this Pacifico. Or are you only I retested in getting gringo bucks ??? Boycotting Pacifico/Modelo.

del mar - 7-17-2021 at 02:29 PM

Pacifico's already got enough problems.....
https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mazatlan-turns-off-water-to...

mtgoat666 - 7-17-2021 at 05:00 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surfinggrandpa71  
So I’ve been seeing all these Pacifico beer commercials in the USA. All very environmentally based shots, captions saying pacifico is saving hiking trails , keeping water clean , etc

Yet in Pacifico’s home country of Mexixo they don’t do a darn thing but turn their back and money on the vaquita dolphin It was announced this week that the vaquita will become extinct and that efforts to save it will stop. Throw a few million at this Pacifico. Or are you only I retested in getting gringo bucks ??? Boycotting Pacifico/Modelo.


Support small business! Don’t buy beers made by mega corporations!
(And if you are in the USA, then buy American!)

del mar - 7-17-2021 at 05:17 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by surfinggrandpa71  
So I’ve been seeing all these Pacifico beer commercials in the USA. All very environmentally based shots, captions saying pacifico is saving hiking trails , keeping water clean , etc

Yet in Pacifico’s home country of Mexixo they don’t do a darn thing but turn their back and money on the vaquita dolphin It was announced this week that the vaquita will become extinct and that efforts to save it will stop. Throw a few million at this Pacifico. Or are you only I retested in getting gringo bucks ??? Boycotting Pacifico/Modelo.


Support small business! Don’t buy beers made by mega corporations!
(And if you are in the USA, then buy American!)


noooo....everyone knows if you want to be a serious baja hipster aficionado you have to pop the yellow caps.....:lol:

del mar - 7-17-2021 at 07:07 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Why is Pacifico and not Tecate or Corona named? One of the more ridiculous Nomad posts, unless I missed the hidden message here?


Corona is a Groupo Modelo product.......yeah its silly to blame Pacifico for Vaquita's demise:no:

wilderone - 7-17-2021 at 07:34 PM

Not a hidden message. Pacifico is the one with the TV ad that states they're partnering with Conservation Alliance to preserve and protect rivers, mountains, wildlife, etc. Very compelling and it made an impression on me (!) because I know Pacifico is very popular in the US, so I thought, oh good, a lot more money for conservation.
But I think the OP has a good point - maybe pressure Conservation Alliance and Pacifico to help the Vaquita. Nobody "blaming" Pacifico for Vaquita demise, but contrary to their message - it's happening in their home country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YfpxFDXgmM

mtgoat666 - 7-17-2021 at 07:46 PM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
Not a hidden message. Pacifico is the one with the TV ad that states they're partnering with Conservation Alliance to preserve and protect rivers, mountains, wildlife, etc. Very compelling and it made an impression on me (!) because I know Pacifico is very popular in the US, so I thought, oh good, a lot more money for conservation.
But I think the OP has a good point - maybe pressure Conservation Alliance and Pacifico to help the Vaquita. Nobody "blaming" Pacifico for Vaquita demise, but contrary to their message - it's happening in their home country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YfpxFDXgmM


Sadly, when companies advertise their altrusitic donations, their Donations are often less than their ad expenditures for touting such donations :(

wilderone - 7-17-2021 at 08:04 PM

I sent my email to Conservation Alliance.
The both of them could team up and do a TV ad just to put a spotlight on the situation, and (if and when IN FACT TRUE), say, "we're doing this, doing that. The both of them could show up in town, and have an education forum in the streets (sponsored by - festive, plenty of Pacifico product), film interviews, fishing practices, etc.
C'mon, an email blast might help.


mtgoat666 - 7-17-2021 at 08:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
I sent my email to Conservation Alliance.
The both of them could team up and do a TV ad just to put a spotlight on the situation, and (if and when IN FACT TRUE), say, "we're doing this, doing that. The both of them could show up in town, and have an education forum in the streets (sponsored by - festive, plenty of Pacifico product), film interviews, fishing practices, etc.
C'mon, an email blast might help.



Pacifico is just a brand under AB InBev mega conglomerate. AB is annheiser Busch, one of the monsters that owned sea world. AB cares more about profits than animal welfare (see Blackfish). AB will not react until publicly shamed. The vacquita and wildlife do not register on their radar. Don’t be fooled by advertising.

(P.s. sea world is now owned by chinese firm. If you love animals/whales and America, you will not give $ to sea world.)

[Edited on 7-18-2021 by mtgoat666]

BajaRun - 7-17-2021 at 08:22 PM

LOYT

BajaNomad - 7-17-2021 at 08:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
don't worry about the Totoaba
has ben farmed for years
big money behind it - very big money


Totoaba, circa Dec 2019.



mexico-totoaba-fishermen-1200.jpg - 198kB

BajaNomad - 7-17-2021 at 08:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  


MEXICO CITY (AP) — The conservationist group Sea Shepherd said Friday that two fishermen were injured off Mexico’s Baja California coast when they rammed their small boat into a larger vessel used by the group in efforts to protect the endangered vaquita porpoise.

The attack is the latest round in an escalating spiral of protests by fishermen who use banned gill nets in the Gulf of California, the only place the vaquita is found. Only as few as a dozen vaquitas are believed to remain, making them the world’s most endangered marine mammal.

Fishing nets confiscated by Sea Shepherd vessels are expensive, so fishermen often harass the conservationists’ boats to try to get them back. The fishermen claim they have not received compensation from the Mexican government for lost fishing income. Groups representing fishermen were not immediately available to comment.

Sea Shepherd said its vessel, the Farley Mowat, was pulling illegal gill nets out of the waters of the gulf, also known as the Sea of Cortez, on Thursday when people on a group of about a half dozen small, open fishing boats began tossing gasoline bombs at the vessel, setting the bow and another part of the ship afire.

The attackers also threw lead net weights at the crew, the group said.

It released a video showing one fishing boat approaching the Farley Mowat at high speed and slamming into the side of the vessel.

Two of the boat’s occupants were pulled from the water by Sea Shepherd crew members and Mexican marines, who usually accompany the crew on such trips. One was given resuscitation, because he wasn’t breathing, and both were taken by the navy to a hospital.

Mexico’s navy confirmed the injuries occurred in a “collision,” and distributed photos of the men being flown in a helicopter for treatment, but did not provide details on their condition.

Two other men boarded the Farley Mowat and threatened the crew and marines, the group said.

“This morning’s attack is the latest in a series of increasingly violent assaults launched against Sea Shepherd’s ships over the past month,” Sea Shepherd’s statement said. “Assailants have hurled Molotov c-cktails, knives, hammers, flares, bottles of fuel, and other deadly projectiles at the vessels, crew, and military personnel on board. No serious injuries have occurred prior to today’s incident.”

Sea Shepherd works closely with Mexican authorities on the net-removal effort, but fishermen have become increasingly unafraid of confronting marines and sailors.

The vaquita population has been dramatically reduced by illegal net fishing for the totoaba, whose swim bladders can sell for thousands of dollars in China.

https://www.borderreport.com/regions/mexico/fishermen-attack...

wilderone - 7-18-2021 at 08:37 AM

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monoloco - 7-25-2021 at 08:02 AM

They just made it official. The buchero cartel
in San Filipe have been openly gill netting totuaba the whole time.

Reaching a DEAD End.

MrBillM - 7-26-2021 at 10:51 AM

The demise of the Vaquita has been inevitable for years now. Once they're gone, just move on.

As to Beer Boycotting ............................ do as I do.

Drink Stella Artois, Guinness and Heineken.

gringorio - 10-15-2021 at 11:55 AM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
I read today that the Mexican government will not be enforcing fishing and boating restrictions in the areas where vaquita live. Whatever is left of any regulations is totally ineffective to prevent the vaquita from becoming extinct. This is a very sad day.


This is really sad news...

Barry A. - 10-15-2021 at 01:02 PM

Yes, it IS "sad". But remember to keep in mind that, "Over 99.0% of the organisms that have lived on Earth have gone extinct over time".

gringorio - 10-15-2021 at 02:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Barry A.  
Yes, it IS "sad". But remember to keep in mind that, "Over 99.0% of the organisms that have lived on Earth have gone extinct over time".


May be so Barry, but not deliberately by the hand of man.

David K - 10-15-2021 at 02:55 PM

Dodo Bird and wooly mammoth may be examples. Tasmanian Devils, too?

Nobody wants good things (like a cute porpoise) to become extinct. Why were there so few of them before man's actions? Sometimes Nature has its own way of dealing with things and we humans may vanish, too!

Skipjack Joe - 10-15-2021 at 03:39 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Sometimes Nature has its own way of dealing with things and we humans may vanish, too!


There is no such thing as Nature!!!!

I wish you would remember that. Nature is a concept. You and I are ‘Nature’.

chippy - 10-15-2021 at 04:31 PM

Hey dk you do realize that the cause of the vaquita demise is illegal gill netting of totuava for their bladders right? Yes ok and that these bladders are sold to china as another supposed remedy to the endless chinese impotency problem right? That don´t sound like natural order to me:light:.

David K - 10-15-2021 at 04:54 PM

Hey chip, I never said those things were good. I love Nature and the animal kingdom... When I go to Baja, it is to get away from most people and get closer to Nature. The vaquita was obviously already low in numbers before people. It was a noble attempt to save the cuties, but the effort was not successful. Can you accept that sometimes things just don't work out the way it should or the way we want?
:light:

chippy - 10-15-2021 at 05:12 PM

Yes I can accept that and you are right about their low numbers before but the "natural" poaching is what is turning low numbers into extinction:light:.

Skipjack Joe - 10-15-2021 at 06:52 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Quote: Originally posted by Skipjack Joe  
Quote: Originally posted by David K  
Sometimes Nature has its own way of dealing with things and we humans may vanish, too!


There is no such thing as Nature!!!!

I wish you would remember that. Nature is a concept. You and I are ‘Nature’.


Must be Beer Thirty?

My definition:
NATURE: The NATURAL order of things, naturally occurring, etc.
The word 'Nature' is good also, because if I said God instead, the libs would have a meltdown, LOL!


If you mean God then use the word that you mean. Otherwise you're displaying your ignorance. And since when do you worry about the libs having a meltdown. For you that's a badge of honor.

wilderone - 10-16-2021 at 07:31 AM

If we don't know the vaquita numbers over the past 300 years or so (before mankind came into the picture in a big way), and compare the "after" effects of mankind's irresponsible, exploitive actions aimed at vaquita, then the argument that it's the natural order of things is feckless. When mankind is the steward of all things on the planet, and all things on the planet serve some purpose for the greater good, then it is mankind's moral responsibility to at least not completely destroy a species in its stewardship. Ignorance of a species' contribution and function within "nature" is no excuse. When the demise is for money, even more despicable. Instead of taking pride to increase the numbers of vaquita, they chose to destroy it. Shameful. The "natural" order is not natural when mankind deliberately chooses to destroy and doesn't even give nature (i.e., defenseless, helpless fauna, flora, insect, marine species) a chance.

Skipjack Joe - 10-17-2021 at 01:53 AM

This seems appropriate.

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surfhat - 10-17-2021 at 11:59 AM

Could the totoaba have ever been farmed? Or could it now?

Is it doomed once again to extinction?

Thanks to this daily relief valve, we all can get a little taste of what we miss when are not south of the border.

Just asking.




Don Pisto - 10-17-2021 at 12:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surfhat  
Could the totoaba have ever been farmed? Or could it now?

Is it doomed once again to extinction?

Thanks to this daily relief valve, we all can get a little taste of what we miss when are not south of the border.

Just asking.





these fish are very successfully farmed, the totoava you see on restaurant menus are farmed fish (allegedly) what I don't get is if the Chinese love these bladders so much why don't they just farm their own:?:

gringorio - 10-23-2021 at 04:16 PM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone  
I read today that the Mexican government will not be enforcing fishing and boating restrictions in the areas where vaquita live. Whatever is left of any regulations is totally ineffective to prevent the vaquita from becoming extinct. This is a very sad day.


Here's a recent news article: En busqueda de ejemplares de la vaquita marina