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advrider - 8-10-2021 at 08:27 PM

Just picked up our new Australian trailer that will see a lot of Baja trips, retirement in four months and counting! She is funky but amazing and like nothing made in the US! Queen bed, bathroom, shower, heater, air, inside and outside kitchens and a BBQ! Enough solar and water to spend at least a week off grid at a time. All composite and fiberglass construction, no wood to be found.









I'll start a trip report in December on our first trip with her! If you see us say hi and stop for a beer...l



[Edited on 8-11-2021 by advrider]

Bajazly - 8-10-2021 at 08:43 PM

But the axle(s) aren't shoved back as far as humanly possible for maximum tongue weight. What were you thinking?

But nice looking Igo where Ugo, have fun out there.

JZ - 8-10-2021 at 09:55 PM

Very cool. Can't wait to see you down there with it!

Got any pics of the inside?






[Edited on 8-11-2021 by JZ]

AKgringo - 8-10-2021 at 10:32 PM

Good looking rig! What is the weight loaded?

4x4abc - 8-10-2021 at 10:44 PM

great anchor!

they all flip sooner or later

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JC43 - 8-10-2021 at 11:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
great anchor!

they all flip sooner or later



NOT ALL! Only those will flip, where the driver is stupid enough to let`em flip. It is all up to the guy @ the wheel. :tumble:

4x4abc - 8-11-2021 at 12:09 AM

I have seen certified experts flip their trailers - some more than once.
One of them 2 times in one day
he sold it quickly after that

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JZ - 8-11-2021 at 12:16 AM

They've got the special hitches allowing the rotation. Just push the thing back over and dust it off.

Let's not forget there are lots of places we can go where the flip risk is pretty low.

Definitely not for challenging offroads. :D



[Edited on 8-11-2021 by JZ]

advrider - 8-11-2021 at 07:39 AM

I'll get some pictures of the inside tonight. With water tanks full, it's around 5k pounds, give or take. I'm going to try and get it on a scale after I have it loaded to see for sure.

Alm - 8-11-2021 at 09:57 AM

What is "enough solar" - 300W array and 300AH battery bank? Fridge - propane?

nbentley1 - 8-11-2021 at 10:23 AM

Good looking rig. The Australians have their overlanding stuff together. As others have pointed out there is a difference between overlanding and off road :)

JC43 - 8-11-2021 at 10:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
I have seen certified experts flip their trailers - some more than once.
One of them 2 times in one day
he sold it quickly after that



harald, what is the meaning of "certified expert" in re of this thread?
Certified expert in flipping trailers might be the correct definition.
lets face it: A trailer is not capable of tipping onn its own. Again, it is up to the guy behind the wheel to let the trailer flip over. And yes, the guy who flipped the trailer twice in one day, he did right to sell it!!! (my suggestion: never buy another trailer which flips over twice a day:lol::lol::lol: before buying such thing, ask the sales person if that trailer is a flip-alone-trailer!:lol::lol::lol:)

mtgoat666 - 8-11-2021 at 11:00 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
great anchor!

they all flip sooner or later



I have towed trailers on many paved and unpaved roads. Never flipped one yet. I suppose if you drive stupid you may be prone to flipping trailers.

Or perhaps you are forgetful and flip trailers because you forget you are towing — tie a string around your finger or put sticky note on windshield to remind yourself you are towing a trailer.

Or perhaps you dont know how to properly distribute weight on trailer. Your owners manual will teach you, read it. Center of gravity should be in front of axle, centered side to side, and kept low as possible. Read your manual, or look online to learn how to load and tow a trailer.

John Harper - 8-11-2021 at 11:02 AM

At 5000 pounds of trailer, maybe the truck will flip instead?

Looks like a nice rig, what is the brand and model? Are they sold in the US?

John

motoged - 8-11-2021 at 11:20 AM

WARNING !

Any Nomad posting their latest purchase intended to radically improve the quality of their life in Baja may be unceremoniously discredited for their lack of expertise, knowledge, and general know-how by other Nomads who clearly fulfill their roles as members of the Greek Chorus.

:rolleyes:


mtgoat666 - 8-11-2021 at 11:27 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper  
At 5000 pounds of trailer, maybe the truck will flip instead?

Looks like a nice rig, what is the brand and model? Are they sold in the US?

John


Heavy trailer because of so many luxuries. It has indoor AND outdoor kitchens, heat and AC. I could make do with just heat, and just outdoor kitchen. I could also skip the on board air compressor.

JC43 - 8-11-2021 at 11:28 AM

Quote: Originally posted by nbentley1  
Good looking rig. The Australians have their overlanding stuff together. As others have pointed out there is a difference between overlanding and off road :)


There certainly is a diffence between overlanding and off-road trailer towing. But for both one thing is important - even more for off-road: Keep the center of gravity low. The rig in the pic here is smart as it lowers down the center of gravity while being towed. To those pics Harald posted: Well, if I am going off-road and the center of gavity of the trailer is high above where it should be, then the flipover effect is higher of course. All a question of packing the trailer. Keep heavy things you want to place inside the trailer on the floor, not above the "belt-line" or in some overhead storage. So again: it is up to the guy on the wheel to make the trailer flip easily - or not. First and foremost: If you have to pass sandy spots on your off-road trip where you might get stuck: Don`t accelerate to high speed just to get through that spot. That makes the flip! Let your trailer behind. Drive your car to a better spot and use the winch pulling the trailer towards your car. (a third wheel on the tongue of the trailer is a must of course. Like the trailer in the pics)
In the first pic Harald posted /the black car) one can easily see the track of the right wheel, the driver was accelerating a lot. The wheel made a long scratch in the sand! The most common reason for an off-road flipover is high speed when the trailer is bumping from left to right and back.
A winch on your car is a must have thing(!) w/ a sufficiant length of steel cable of course, going off-road w/ a trailer. Take another cable as a spare w/ you, just in case. Summery: If you do it right, you can go with any camping trailer off-road. Best: double axle.
But this thing here in the pics is certainly a very good idea to go off-road!

BajaMama - 8-11-2021 at 11:32 AM

Nice rig!

advrider - 8-11-2021 at 11:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm  
What is "enough solar" - 300W array and 300AH battery bank? Fridge - propane?



We are at 400W of solar with four Lithium batteries, not sure on total amps? Still learning the system. It has a Bluetooth control that connects to my phone so I can monitor it. Fridge is the only real draw if we use it ( we have an ARB in the truck as well). Inside cook top, heater and water heater are diesel powered, BBQ and outside stove are propane. I don't see running the microwave much?
No AC and we aren't sure if we will add it? Probably never cook inside but it is a package deal so I won't remove it. The inside sink and toilet are nice but won't get used much.
Kimberly Karavan is the brand only made in AU, and imported to the US. The heater is a big plus for us and will extend the camping season for sure. We have a canvas Aussie camper now that we really liked but it's not much fun in the wind or super cold days, more of a tent on wheels.

[Edited on 8-11-2021 by advrider]

[Edited on 8-11-2021 by advrider]

JC43 - 8-11-2021 at 01:51 PM

Quote: Originally posted by motoged  
WARNING !

Any Nomad posting their latest purchase intended to radically improve the quality of their life in Baja may be unceremoniously discredited for their lack of expertise, knowledge, and general know-how by other Nomads who clearly fulfill their roles as members of the Greek Chorus.

:rolleyes:



Good post, I cannot agree more. But there is one really good thing on this Australian trailer which is v e r y important: They put wide tires on. As wide and as high in diamter as possible! This is why: Trailer manufactorers are trying tu put the smallest tire on. Considering payload, YES! But as small as possible b/c of profit. If you buy a trailer for off-road use, do it like the trailer in this thread. Before paying the trailer tell the dealer to change the tires from (i.e.) 185/15 to (i.e) 235/17 or even bigger. Whatever can be placed in the wheelhouse. Look at the Arabiens. They are using Camels for traveling through sandy areas, not horses. Why?? Just compare the footprint of a horse w/ the footprint of a camel and you will figure what`s best on sandy trails. The trailer shown here is a real good thing for off road use, t.m.h.o.

motoged - 8-11-2021 at 02:09 PM

Camels seem to store water in their humps better than a horse can carry as well.

Camel milk is a plus as well.

And then there is the toe thing going on.:biggrin:

Always good anywhere in the desert....

JC43 - 8-11-2021 at 02:11 PM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider  
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The heater is a big plus for us and will extend the camping season for sure. We have a canvas Aussie camper now that we really liked but it's not much fun in the wind or super cold days, more of a tent on wheels.



Well, with some Baja experiance in the future you might throw the heater out. Nomads living in Baja in winter times are using tequlla as heater.:lol::lol::lol:

eastmeetswest - 8-11-2021 at 03:03 PM

That is a very good looking trailer. On the same topic, and I hope that it is not hijacking the thread. We have been flying to Cabo for many years and finally bought a house off grid on the East Cape. Anticipating that the borders will all be open to vehicle traffic, my wife and I are planning our first drive down the peninsula, BC-BCS. We want to bring a bunch of things down with us in our 4runner. We might end up having to tow a trailer. I am thinking about a 5x8 trailer with good wheels and tires. We will drive more or less straight to our home. I have a fair bit of experience towing trailers and so I am not nervous about towing it. However, I have read conflicting reports about the 'thrill' of towing a trailer down Hwy 1 and Hwy 5. Anything that you can share would be helpful. Thanks

AKgringo - 8-11-2021 at 03:35 PM

I have pulled a small utility trailer down the length of the peninsula a couple of times' with no real problems. That included following about 500 miles of the Score Baja 1k route one year!

My choice was to run with a slightly tongue heavy trailer with airbags on the tow vehicle to help carry the load. I also chose to set up my trailer with full size tires, and I ran them as soft as I could.

The weight on the tires should determine the pressure, not the maximum load called out on the trailer, or tires!

4x4abc - 8-11-2021 at 04:48 PM

here is how much room you have on the narrow sections of MEX1

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JC43 - 8-11-2021 at 05:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
I have pulled a small utility trailer down the length of the peninsula a couple of times' with no real problems. That included following about 500 miles of the Score Baja 1k route one year!

My choice was to run with a slightly tongue heavy trailer with airbags on the tow vehicle to help carry the load. I also chose to set up my trailer with full size tires, and I ran them as soft as I could.

The weight on the tires should determine the pressure, not the maximum load called out on the trailer, or tires!


I do not understand what an airbag in the tow vehicle has to do with carrying a trailer load. Can you please explain that to me?? Never heard of that and I do have really experiance of towing. A flatbed double axle oversized width from TJ to CSL --- I did that many times. With camping trailers into the outback of France, Germany and right here in Baja. And:::: Running the tires on as low pressure as possible might not be the best choice. A low pressure tire is warming up real fast on long trips. Can catch fire. And might be dangerous in sharp curves as the tire can - I am not saying `will´ - jump off the rim as the trailer weight is forcing it. Depends on many things not to be discussed here. Anyway, use the precise pressure which is printed on the flank of the tire. Side effect: You are using less gas, less stress on the motor, if the tire pressure is correct as listed.

4x4abc - 8-11-2021 at 05:11 PM

about flipping trailers

a fist size rock on a graded dirt road can send a trailer over
reason is that they don't have a suspension to soak up the sudden lift
the faster you drive, the more likely this will be

trailers carry their weight only on 2 tires (vs 4 on your truck)
double axle is not doing better since the weight is concentrated in the center (vs on 4 corners on your truck)
to create a trailer with long (soft) suspension travel one needs room
trailers are inherently limited in space
so, they all go over sooner or later

best would be a trailer with 4 tires on each corner, with soft suspension
but without steering they would not follow the truck
so, nobody built one yet

your way out (kinda), is to have the largest possible tires mounted and run them at the lowest possible pressure (tire acts as suspension)
LT tires do much better than designated trailer tires

not discrediting anyone or anything - just trying to help
I have studied this (not on youtube)

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JC43 - 8-11-2021 at 05:15 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
here is how much room you have on the narrow sections of MEX1



Exactly what I was refferring to: Oversized in width double axle flatbed.
(thanks for the pic, Harald)
Towing anything in regular width is a piece of cake compared to that!
Just use common sense when towing. Do not play around with the tire pressure when loaded. Just in case: If your trialer has no brakes, be awfull carefull going down a slope! FRENE CON MOTOR.

JC43 - 8-11-2021 at 05:28 PM

U R right!! Flipping over a trailer is mostly a question of speed. You will never flip a trailer if you drive a lower speed (in the desert) Even if a fist size rock hits your tire. Low pressure? Yes, in the desert a must. Even on your tow truck. A flat is easier to catch as well as the flanks of the tire are more voulnarable.
Low pressure on the highway?? And trailer loaded? No way! Far too dangerous as explained already. BTW. Like your Merc G! Diesel?

mtgoat666 - 8-11-2021 at 05:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JC43  
U R right!! Flipping over a trailer is mostly a question of speed. You will never flip a trailer if you drive a lower speed (in the desert) Even if a fist size rock hits your tire. Low pressure? Yes, in the desert a must. Even on your tow truck. A flat is easier to catch as well as the flanks of the tire are more voulnarable.
Low pressure on the highway?? And trailer loaded? No way! Far too dangerous as explained already. BTW. Like your Merc G! Diesel?


Why are you towing at high speed on ground with large rocks? Drive slower. Hitting rocks with your trailer beats your trailer up.
Hell, I don’t even like hitting rocks at speed when not towing trailer, it flocks up my truck.

Alm - 8-11-2021 at 07:03 PM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider  

We are at 400W of solar with four Lithium batteries, not sure on total amps? Still learning the system. It has a Bluetooth control that connects to my phone so I can monitor it. Fridge is the only real draw if we use it ( we have an ARB in the truck as well). Inside cook top, heater and water heater are diesel powered, BBQ and outside stove are propane. I don't see running the microwave much?
No AC and we aren't sure if we will add it?

400W solar + 4 Li batts, you'll be fine except for maybe rainy periods lasting longer than 5 days. Careful use of microwave should be possible with an adequate size inverter. Electric fridge and microwave will be the biggest draw on batteries.

You won't be able to run AC on batteries and solar for any meaningful period of time.

Diesel powered inside stove sounds odd.

motoged - 8-11-2021 at 07:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Alm  

Diesel powered inside stove sounds odd.


I have been on sailboats with gimballed diesel stoves....sin problemas.

advrider - 8-11-2021 at 07:37 PM

So I'll add a few more pictures and information. Australia doesn't allow the use of propane inside of a trailer, so diesel, stove, heater and water it is. I understand it's common on boats as well?

This trailer has on board air, dual airbags and shocks. A-arm suspension, not a single axel like most trailers have. It tows very good on and offroad, it also has electric over hydraulic brakes. The entire under side is hot dipped galvanized after its built.

The video is about the same as the rig I will be pulling it with but with a Hemi...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gl9ieG2QEDU

outside kitchen.


Looking at the front, the direction it's towed in. Bathroom, kitchen and storage.




bed with table put away.




Trailers aren't for everyone but this is the way we like to roll. We will be headed to Alaska for the summer next year and Baja for the winter. If you see us stop for a beer and say hi!

KasloKid - 8-11-2021 at 08:13 PM

Quote: Originally posted by eastmeetswest  
That is a very good looking trailer. On the same topic, and I hope that it is not hijacking the thread. We have been flying to Cabo for many years and finally bought a house off grid on the East Cape. Anticipating that the borders will all be open to vehicle traffic, my wife and I are planning our first drive down the peninsula, BC-BCS. We want to bring a bunch of things down with us in our 4runner. We might end up having to tow a trailer. I am thinking about a 5x8 trailer with good wheels and tires. We will drive more or less straight to our home. I have a fair bit of experience towing trailers and so I am not nervous about towing it. However, I have read conflicting reports about the 'thrill' of towing a trailer down Hwy 1 and Hwy 5. Anything that you can share would be helpful. Thanks


Okay, I'll jump in.

Hope nobody sees this as a thread hijack... If you have a bunch more questions, maybe start your own thread... it'll make everyone here happy.

First, congratulations on your home purchase.

A 5 x 8 trailer is probably the same width of your 4-runner, or a smidge wider. You mention you're familiar with towing trailers, but before departing, practice placing your trailer passenger side tire on the roadside white line and be very familiar and confident of hugging the line.. Oncoming traffic will sometimes force you over as well as traffic passing you, cutting in front of you way too soon. Very often, the white line is the edge of the road, if there is a white line.
Over the years, highway improvements continue, but maintenance to them doesn't.

Ensure your tires are good shape as well as the spare, bearings too.

Topes.... a.k.a. speed bumps. If you're not familiar with them, you soon will be. Hit one at speed and your trailer will likely lose an axle and damage to your tow vehicle... Topes are notoriously placed in the shadows of trees, thereby becoming invisible until it's too late to slow down.

Tongue weight = 10-15% of the total trailer weight but you probably know this already.

There's one really steep, windy and long decent just before Santa Rosalía, the demise and graveyard of many trucks and trailers as well as motor homes. It's about 200 KM's south of Guerrero Negro. Seriously gear down and use your brakes sparingly.

Don't be in a hurry and stop for the night before it gets dark.... huge potholes, disappearing white lines, cows/horses on the road, oncoming blinding lights on semis,,,, you get the idea.

If you meet a vehicle with it's 4 way flashers going, it's a warning that there's an obstacle on the road ahead.. could be a wreck, cow, construction, or maybe he/she just forgot to turn their flashers off.

Anyways, hope this helps a bit.

[Edited on 8-12-2021 by KasloKid]

4x4abc - 8-11-2021 at 09:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JC43  
U R right!! BTW. Like your Merc G! Diesel?


the red 300GD (Diesel) is not mine.
mine is the black G500 towing the flatbed

JZ - 8-11-2021 at 09:11 PM

Super sweet AdvRider. Looks like lots of sexy time for you and the misses to have in there. :biggrin:



[Edited on 8-12-2021 by JZ]

mtgoat666 - 8-11-2021 at 09:19 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Super sweet AdvRider. Looks like lots of sexy time to for you and the misses to have in there. :biggrin:


Shorty, you are a weird and creepy little man

advrider - 8-12-2021 at 06:48 AM

Thanks for the info KasloKid, all good advise. I've been towing my smaller camp trailer for a number of years but always good to get others take on things.

I have spare air bags and wheel bearings for both sides. Three matching tires plus assorted plugs and patches. The trailer has a compressor as well as one in my truck.

Thanks JZ, we will be checking out some remote private beach time for sure.



eastmeetswest - 8-12-2021 at 09:56 AM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc  
here is how much room you have on the narrow sections of MEX1


Great picture. Thanks. It gives a good perspective. A picture is worth...

eastmeetswest - 8-12-2021 at 10:08 AM

Quote: Originally posted by KasloKid  
Quote: Originally posted by eastmeetswest  
That is a very good looking trailer. On the same topic, and I hope that it is not hijacking the thread. We have been flying to Cabo for many years and finally bought a house off grid on the East Cape. Anticipating that the borders will all be open to vehicle traffic, my wife and I are planning our first drive down the peninsula, BC-BCS. We want to bring a bunch of things down with us in our 4runner. We might end up having to tow a trailer. I am thinking about a 5x8 trailer with good wheels and tires. We will drive more or less straight to our home. I have a fair bit of experience towing trailers and so I am not nervous about towing it. However, I have read conflicting reports about the 'thrill' of towing a trailer down Hwy 1 and Hwy 5. Anything that you can share would be helpful. Thanks


Okay, I'll jump in.

Hope nobody sees this as a thread hijack... If you have a bunch more questions, maybe start your own thread... it'll make everyone here happy.

First, congratulations on your home purchase.

A 5 x 8 trailer is probably the same width of your 4-runner, or a smidge wider. You mention you're familiar with towing trailers, but before departing, practice placing your trailer passenger side tire on the roadside white line and be very familiar and confident of hugging the line.. Oncoming traffic will sometimes force you over as well as traffic passing you, cutting in front of you way too soon. Very often, the white line is the edge of the road, if there is a white line.
Over the years, highway improvements continue, but maintenance to them doesn't.

Ensure your tires are good shape as well as the spare, bearings too.

Topes.... a.k.a. speed bumps. If you're not familiar with them, you soon will be. Hit one at speed and your trailer will likely lose an axle and damage to your tow vehicle... Topes are notoriously placed in the shadows of trees, thereby becoming invisible until it's too late to slow down.

Tongue weight = 10-15% of the total trailer weight but you probably know this already.

There's one really steep, windy and long decent just before Santa Rosalía, the demise and graveyard of many trucks and trailers as well as motor homes. It's about 200 KM's south of Guerrero Negro. Seriously gear down and use your brakes sparingly.

Don't be in a hurry and stop for the night before it gets dark.... huge potholes, disappearing white lines, cows/horses on the road, oncoming blinding lights on semis,,,, you get the idea.

If you meet a vehicle with it's 4 way flashers going, it's a warning that there's an obstacle on the road ahead.. could be a wreck, cow, construction, or maybe he/she just forgot to turn their flashers off.

Anyways, hope this helps a bit.

[Edited on 8-12-2021 by KasloKid]


Thank you for taking the time to give such a great summary. Those topes always seem to sneak up on you. And the East Cape is a livestock highway particularly around dusk as the animals head home for the night. Driving at night is definitely to be avoided.

I picked the 5x8 to match the width of the 4Runner and minimize being squeezed too often.

Back to the main thread. That trailer looks very comfortable. Well designed. The diesel stove inside is a bit odd and smelly. I have had kerosene stoves on many boats and almost always changed them out for propane. Propane is safe as long as you remember that it sinks and needs to "drain"

KasloKid - 8-12-2021 at 10:18 AM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider  
Thanks for the info KasloKid, all good advise. I've been towing my smaller camp trailer for a number of years but always good to get others take on things.

I have spare air bags and wheel bearings for both sides. Three matching tires plus assorted plugs and patches. The trailer has a compressor as well as one in my truck.

Thanks JZ, we will be checking out some remote private beach time for sure.




Sounds like you're ready to roll !!
I forgot to mention shackle bushings. Typically they're made of nylon and wear thin or wear out. I've replaced all mine (tandem axle = 7 brass bushings and greasable pins plus a compatible equalizer, per side). Jack the trailer up and check bushing play like you would a steering ball joint.

You'll come across several places on the drive of which the scenery is memorable.

advrider - 8-12-2021 at 06:48 PM

Looks like I was off on a few details. Weight looks more like 4k pound with water not 5k that I thought. Solar comes in at 440 watts, not sure still on the amp hours on the four batteries, (edit-400ah on the batteries)?

[Edited on 8-13-2021 by advrider]

Alm - 8-12-2021 at 10:24 PM

Li battery amp-hours should be written on the battery. Or weigh it, drop-in 100AH Li weighs 28-30 lbs.

Get a sway bar, it helps to stabilize the trailer on highway.

JZ - 8-12-2021 at 10:45 PM

Not a fan of sway bars. Especially for that size.

I don't notice a bit of difference with my truck and they are a pain to put on.

Maderita - 8-13-2021 at 12:04 AM

JZ,
Alm is probably referring to a sway control device, and the simplest/least expensive type, a friction bar. The terminology is confusing because those are sometimes called anti-sway bars.
https://www.amazon.com/CURT-17200-Sway-Control-Kit/dp/B000HL...

advrider - 8-13-2021 at 09:09 AM

The trailer has a sway bar on it and with the offroad style hitch I don't think you could run the bumper style sway bar. It's super stable on and offroad so I'm not sure I would need one. The Aussie style hitch will rotate all the way around and has a built in shock that smooths out starts and stops. Also has a hydro lock for the brakes when you set up the trailer, don't need to block the tires.
I was to lazy to pull the cover on the batteries and called the seller and later found it on the paper work. They are all (4) Li batteries.

JDCanuck - 8-13-2021 at 03:09 PM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider  
I'll get some pictures of the inside tonight. With water tanks full, it's around 5k pounds, give or take. I'm going to try and get it on a scale after I have it loaded to see for sure.


Really interesting trailer! Looks like a far more durable option to the old tent trailers. Quite a bit of room, well equipped, smaller size when towed, but opens up nicely. Seems like a well sized solar system as well. We could run our furnace in the 5th wheel for about 8 hours on 1/5 that amount of storage and you should get about 2200 watthours in the Baja per day out of the solar panels, maybe more.

[Edited on 8-13-2021 by JDCanuck]

advrider - 8-13-2021 at 03:18 PM

Thanks JDCanuck, we looked at a lot of trailers and kept coming back to this one. With it only being the wife and I, and two small dogs we didn't need that much room. We like to live outside when camping but wanted to have a place to get out of the weather and warm up if needed.
We really liked our clam shell style Aussie tent trailer but really wanted to get away from canvas if we could. All or the smaller US trailers that you can stand up in are canvas pop top, just not what we are after.

JDCanuck - 8-13-2021 at 03:58 PM

I wouldn't worry about the microwave use, but the AC is another story. We used our microwave a fair amount, but really, how many minutes is it drawing 1000w? I wonder if there isn't a much less power draw way of cooling. I suspect you will want it. If i remember right, it takes about 800 watts to get 2/3 ton cooling (8000btu/hr)

[Edited on 8-13-2021 by JDCanuck]

JDCanuck - 8-13-2021 at 04:32 PM

Just remembered, we recently got three very small local spot use only evaporative coolers that produce about 500 btu/hr at 10 watts or less. Might come in handy if someone is stressed by heat. Overhyped on the web as room coolers, useful only to sit on desk and direct at the distressed person and cost about 100 CAD each.

Otherwise looks like a portable generator would power a small unit for your unit.

Alm - 8-13-2021 at 06:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Maderita  
JZ,
Alm is probably referring to a sway control device, and the simplest/least expensive type, a friction bar. The terminology is confusing because those are sometimes called anti-sway bars.
https://www.amazon.com/CURT-17200-Sway-Control-Kit/dp/B000HL...

Yes, this exact thing.

Alm - 8-13-2021 at 06:57 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
I wouldn't worry about the microwave use, but the AC is another story. We used our microwave a fair amount, but really, how many minutes is it drawing 1000w? I wonder if there isn't a much less power draw way of cooling. I suspect you will want it. If i remember right, it takes about 800 watts to get 2/3 ton cooling (8000btu/hr)

[Edited on 8-13-2021 by JDCanuck]

Not only A/C draws a lot but it does this for many-many hours.

Microwave is doable with a solar of this size and an inverter 2,000W or bigger. Battery bank should be at least 150 AH if Lithium, considering electric fridge. Microwave rating 1000W is a "cooking power", for housewives mostly. It may draw 1,200-1,500W post-inverter.

advrider - 8-13-2021 at 08:24 PM

We are going to wait and see on the A/C. We have two roof (fantastic) fans and run one pulling and one pushing, the two night we used them I had to get up about one AM and shut them down because it was cold. Also the trailer has seven windows that open with screens for ventilation. We tend to move with the weather or go up in elevation. This will be easier with retirement in November.
I don't see using the microwave much, the previous owners guilty pleasurer was microwave popcorn, hence the addition. We have an ARB fridge in the truck so I'm not sure we will need the fridge in the trailer, time will tell? All lighting is LED so very little power there. The soft start AC units on the market draw very little power once they (wind up) and only need to maintain the cold. With 400ah of batteries and solar going I could run many hours on just batterie power, we do have a small 2200w generator. I don't know a lot about solar so the learning process has started.

JZ - 8-13-2021 at 08:30 PM

If you are going to Baja in the summers I'd definitely get an AC. And have a small generator.

Get one of those things that helps with the surge when the AC kicks on so the generator can be smaller.




advrider - 8-13-2021 at 08:53 PM

That's the soft start AC, they roll on slow and ramp up rather than just kick on at full power. I really prefer Baja in winter, to many other awesome places to be in the summer and for that I have a heater.

Alm - 8-14-2021 at 03:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by advrider  
We are going to wait and see on the A/C. We have two roof (fantastic) fans and run one pulling and one pushing,

This is good. Everybody and his uncle seem to install Fantastic in roof vents in trailers and 5-ers.
Quote: Originally posted by advrider  

The soft start AC units on the market draw very little power once they (wind up) and only need to maintain the cold. With 400ah of batteries and solar going I could run many hours on just batterie power, we do have a small 2200w generator. I don't know a lot about solar so the learning process has started.

Soft start doesn't result in much lower total draw. It's still 50-60 amps DC (at least), cycle depends on the outside temps and can be 70% or higher when it's hot, it's a fiberglass box, not a brick house. If you confirmed 400AH capacity (I missed that), this is 320AH usable charge, so - one night to drain the batts completely. A/C is probably 110V. Will be easier to just run a generator, less losses than running a battery and then charging it with generator again. In winter you'll be fine, not much need for A/C.

advrider - 8-14-2021 at 05:20 PM

Thanks Alm, that good info. I agree, we can just fire up the generator for a little while.

JDCanuck - 8-14-2021 at 06:15 PM

I agree, if you have that generator along, it should handle the AC if you do find you want it and the batteries should handle everything else off the solar. 440w solar panels is far more than most have on their RV's. Now they are making 440 watt single panels is that what you have?
We actually chose Baja Pacific coast to build as it has the very best solar gain we could find anyplace in the three major NA countries and the average min/max year round temps are very moderate, spanning our comfortable room temps by 20 degrees F in both directions, heating and cooling.

advrider - 8-14-2021 at 08:47 PM

We have six ultra thin panels, not sure of the brand. The controller and other electronics were just upgraded as well. It is also wired to add a suit case style panel as well, one plug for a panel with a controller and one plug for a stand alone panel.

Alm - 8-14-2021 at 09:21 PM

Quote: Originally posted by JDCanuck  
440w solar panels is far more than most have on their RV's. Now they are making 440 watt single panels is that what you have?
We actually chose Baja Pacific coast to build as it has the very best solar gain we could find anyplace in the three major NA countries and the average min/max year round temps are very moderate, spanning our comfortable room temps by 20 degrees F in both directions, heating and cooling.

No, several thin flexible panels glued to the roof. They are often less efficient than rigid panels. 440W today is modest but his is a small trailer, hard to fit more. Years ago I put 450W on my 24ft trailer, it was considered big back then, now people put 600-800W on a trailer of this size. Solar harvest in winter is half of what it is in summer, even in a good weather. It does get to 30s in some places at night, but heating is only needed during supper time and at breakfast, not in the night. After sunrise these boxes warm up instantly.

pjpvi - 8-15-2021 at 08:48 AM

I love this particular trailer model. Had my sights set on buying one a few years back then decided to continue loving my 4x4 camper van.

Enjoy and hope I bump into you somewhere along the way so I can check it out in person!

mtgoat666 - 8-15-2021 at 09:02 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
If you are going to Baja in the summers I'd definitely get an AC. And have a small generator.



Rule #17 of life: never vacation (or camp) in a climate that requires AC cooling to be comfortable.

JDCanuck - 8-15-2021 at 09:54 AM

Hi Alm; What part of the Baja are you on? Us Canadians like 20 degrees C at night to sleep. Will be interesting to see if we can acclimatize to warmer temps down there, and handle the higher night temps. During the day not so bad normally, but when we hit 40 C up here this summer we were losing a whole lot of seniors. Was interesting to see the day temps at the same point on the Baja Pacific were only at low 30's, while La Paz was close to where we were.

advrider - 8-15-2021 at 12:39 PM

pjpvi, thanks and hope to cross paths as well. We looked at vans and were really close to buying a fourwheel camper but decide we don't want to pack up every time we want to drive some where. We really like having a home base to adventure from.

landcruising - 8-17-2021 at 03:48 PM

Awesome trailer, Kimberley Kampers are no joke. I saw recent ads for them but way way out of my $ range. These put the old pop up to shame, and you won't need to add a box of wood screws to keep it from falling apart. Haven't heard of any in the US yet or seen one in person, but seem much better than the other offerings on the market.

advrider - 8-17-2021 at 09:05 PM

Quote: Originally posted by landcruising  
Awesome trailer, Kimberley Kampers are no joke. I saw recent ads for them but way way out of my $ range. These put the old pop up to shame, and you won't need to add a box of wood screws to keep it from falling apart. Haven't heard of any in the US yet or seen one in person, but seem much better than the other offerings on the market.



I've been told there are about 15 in the US at this point? We were looking at new but could not justify the price, we paid half of new for a 2015 with many upgrades and very well cared for. We looked at many but came back to the Kimberley every time.