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RFClark - 1-4-2024 at 11:09 AM

Cliffy,

Generalists know nothing about everything. At the other end of the spectrum PhDs know everything about nothing.

The better engineers are always mindful that Murphy and his sister Rosie (scenario) will always review their work on a pass/fail basis. The occasional pass only being conditional.

In the real world unlike the education system everyone doesn’t get an “award” for just showing up.

Lee - 1-4-2024 at 11:40 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by Lee  


Not credit necessarily but distinguished family history? Right up there. There's some pride in that.



Isn't pride one of the seven deadly sins? Funny how people always talk about being proud of this or that, but no one ever talks about themselves being gluttonous, envious, lustful, slothful, wrathful or greedy, as if it were a good thing.

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What a silly thing to write. Pride being discussed isn't a sin. If you are religious enough to believe what you've written, fine with me. Not me or the proud people I know.

Actually, the only sin I saw, that gave me pause, was lust. I'm working on that. It doesn't show, though. Blame it on Scorpio Rising.

BajaNomad - 1-4-2024 at 11:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  


I wonder how many pages of this "Off Topic light" thread Doug has deleted along the way?


:rolleyes:

soulpatch - 1-6-2024 at 12:45 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaNomad  
Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  


I wonder how many pages of this "Off Topic light" thread Doug has deleted along the way?


:rolleyes:


It'd be interesting to see the breakdown on posts by individual.
I'm sure Doug could do that!

Then buy that handful of guys a hotel room in baja with as much beer and tequila as needed along with a big bag of mota, lock'em in it and not let them out until they loose and subsequently lose their rancor.:light:

Doug has far more patience than I do.
But, heck, it also helps with traffic and that is the bottom line.

Peace!



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East Coast land continues to collapse at a worrying rate

RFClark - 1-6-2024 at 02:15 PM

In a follow-up study just published in the journal PNAS Nexus, the researchers tally up the mounting costs of subsidence—due to settling, groundwater extraction, and other factors—for those communities and their infrastructure. Using satellite measurements, they have found that up to 74,000 square kilometers (29,000 square miles) of the Atlantic Coast are exposed to subsidence of up to 2 millimeters (0.079 inches) a year, affecting up to 14 million people and 6 million properties. And over 3,700 square kilometers along the Atlantic Coast are sinking more than 5 millimeters annually. That’s an even faster change than sea-level rise, currently at 4 millimeters a year. (In the map below, warmer colors represent more subsidence, up to 6 millimeters.)

https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/01/east-coast-ground-co...

Cliffy - 1-6-2024 at 03:44 PM

Must be caused by the weight of the CO2 we are putting in the atmosphere!

Alan - 1-8-2024 at 11:17 AM

Has anybody paused the beatings long enough to check the pulse on this horse? I'm pretty sure it died long ago!

stillnbaja - 1-8-2024 at 01:01 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Alan  
Has anybody paused the beatings long enough to check the pulse on this horse? I'm pretty sure it died long ago!


I don't know sure appears to be immortal!

RFClark - 1-8-2024 at 01:08 PM

It’s more about taking turns beating people with dead palm fronds as a substitute for “discussing things political” which is proscribed here in! But wait, its only early January and things will get much worse!

AKgringo - 1-8-2024 at 02:21 PM

I am proud of that palm tree, standing defiantly in the face of a rising sea level!

RFClark - 1-8-2024 at 02:22 PM

👍👍👍:bounce:

mtgoat666 - 1-8-2024 at 05:05 PM

Leonardo DiCaprio is the most trusted authority on the climate crisis — beating Greta Thunberg, Al Gore, and the Rock
https://www.businessinsider.com/leonardo-dicaprio-most-trust...


Who is Vittoria Ceretti, Leonardo DiCaprio's rumored girlfriend?
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/vittoria-ceretti-leonardo-di...


How media and pop culture are shaping the sustainability agenda
https://www.nrgmr.com/our-thinking/entertainment/sustainabil...


Climate change, pests threaten Mexico City's iconic palms
https://phys.org/news/2023-08-climate-pests-threaten-mexico-...


How Greta Thunberg Transformed Existential Dread Into a Movement
https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/how-greta-thunb...








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RFClark - 1-8-2024 at 05:24 PM

That’s understandable. DiCaprio probably can balance his checkbook.

mtgoat666 - 1-9-2024 at 03:45 PM

See How 2023 Shattered Records to Become the Hottest Year
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/climate/2023-warmest-year...

“Last year was Earth’s warmest by far in a century and a half.”

“Averaged across last year, temperatures worldwide were 1.48 degrees Celsius, or 2.66 Fahrenheit, higher than they were in the second half of the 19th century, the European Union climate monitor announced on Tuesday. That is warmer by a sizable margin than 2016, the previous hottest year.”

“When scientists combine their satellite readings with geological evidence on the climate’s more distant past, 2023 also appears to be among the warmest years in at least 100,000…”

RFClark - 1-9-2024 at 04:13 PM

OSG,

BS alert!

Wasn’t it Paul the NYT’s prize winning economist who forecast the 2017 Stockmarket crash?

70% of the earth’s surface is water or ice. Prior to 30 years ago we had only occasional measurements from ships and from the shore for that 70%. If the historic data wasn’t so thin hundreds of grad students wouldn’t be manually going through old ship logs transferring the weather data, such as it is.

Prior to WW2 we didn’t even have good coverage of most of the land. Without satellites we still don’t!

Inferring historic ocean temperatures from secondary sources is nothing like actually measuring the real surface temperature.

The only people who believe this also believe Europe has fewer gun deaths than the US!



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mtgoat666 - 1-9-2024 at 05:29 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
OSG,

BS alert!

Wasn’t it Paul the NYT’s prize winning economist who forecast the 2017 Stockmarket crash?

70% of the earth’s surface is water or ice. Prior to 30 years ago we had only occasional measurements from ships and from the shore for that 70%. If the historic data wasn’t so thin hundreds of grad students wouldn’t be manually going through old ship logs transferring the weather data, such as it is.

Prior to WW2 we didn’t even have good coverage of most of the land. Without satellites we still don’t!

Inferring historic ocean temperatures from secondary sources is nothing like actually measuring the real surface temperature.

The only people who believe this also believe Europe has fewer gun deaths than the US!

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clarkles:
What is your point? I cant make much sense of your anti-science luddite posts of random unrelated tidbits you google up.

P.s. thank you for your service!

Cliffy - 1-9-2024 at 06:22 PM

Go back even further in time and that temp isn't even close to what the earth has experienced
Its easy to cherry pick a time frame and base a postulation on what serves your needs and narrative.

The question still remains - So what?

Only wild guesses and so far inaccurate predictions surface. Can we spell "Al Gore" and the prediction that the world should now be dead?
Of course there are many more "predictions" that the world should be dead by now or in short order.

And anyone (including highly educated climate scientists) who challenge the preferred narrative are labeled as kooks or deniers and silenced

BTW Just what is the Scientific Process? Can someone explain it to me? Seems its now lost in religion

RFClark - 1-9-2024 at 06:42 PM

“Historians measure past temperatures” in the midst of the ocean! Remarkable! Perhaps they used a yardstick!

We have 30 years of good data, another 70 years of spotty data and for the 70% that’s not land few direct measurements prior to that.






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surabi - 1-9-2024 at 07:59 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
Go back even further in time and that temp isn't even close to what the earth has experienced
Its easy to cherry pick a time frame and base a postulation on what serves your needs and narrative.

The question still remains - So what?



People with a brain in their head don't have the question "So what?" if the earth can no longer support human and animal life.
Your constant litany about the earth having experienced extreme cold and heat hundreds of thousands of years ago is one of the most inane climate change denials out there. Normal human beings don't care what happened on earth hundreds of thousands of years ago, except in terms of scientific history. We care if our children and grandchildren will be able to survive on this planet.

You obviously don't.

"Only wild guesses and so far inaccurate predictions surface". Uh, wrong again, Cliffy. Plenty of the predictions have come to pass. Go crawl back under your rock now, where you are obviously most comfortable. And maybe bring some elementary school science books with you so you can read up about "What is scientific process, anyway?"

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RFClark - 1-11-2024 at 09:48 PM

Doug,

Thanks!

Cliffy - 1-13-2024 at 06:31 PM

"Conspiracy theories are ideas spouted by people who present them as fact for which there is no conclusive evidence"------

CLIMATE CHANGE?
THE EARTH IS DYING IN 10 YEARS?

surabi - 1-13-2024 at 06:55 PM

Cliffy- climate change isn't a conspiracy theory- it is scientific fact based on scientific research. Predictions of when things will reach a point of no return are simply predictions and predictions are often wrong.

Conspiracy theories are what climate change deniers like you engage in- the idea that there is some evil cabal conspiring to lie about climate change for the purpose of enriching themselves, controlling the population, taking away your gas guzzlers, etc. and that because the earth has gone through other extreme climate changes thousands of years ago, it means there's nothing to be concerned about and that human activity has nothing to do with it.




Cliffy - 1-13-2024 at 07:20 PM

Climate change is nothing new
Its been happening since the earth began
My point is the incessant cacophony of noise about the imminent demise of the earth because the climate is changing, no such factual data appears anywhere. There is no cause and affect that has been proven
Anything beyond acknowledging that the climate is changing is nothing but guesses and speculation.
AND NONE of the numerous climate models have been shown to be anywhere close in their predictions.

CO2 is warming the atmosphere and because of that the oceans are rising?
No such thing is happening at any rate that could possibly be a problem for the next 50 generations and if it happens it will be at a rate slow enough to adapt. Massive millions of people who live on the coast are not going to drown overnight or have to move in the next century.
Much to the contrary of the current hysteria

Because man is making the CO2 the world is warming
OK but did man warm the world to end the last (or any) Ice Age?

Massive glaciers melted without man's input.
Way more ice than anything we have now on the earth.
What caused that other than a natural process of the earth?
Certainly not cavemen and camp fires
And we worry about the glaciers melting now? Get real.

The world may be warming but it is not dying by any means.
Its a natural process of the earth and MAN is part of the natural process.


surabi - 1-13-2024 at 07:51 PM

You should stop trying to pretend to understand or address anything scientific, Cliffy. There are people who are smart enough to know they aren't very smart and therefore refrain from broadcasting their simplemindedness. Unfortunately you aren't one of them.

It's hilarious that you refuse to believe any scientific predictions based on science conducted by scientists, yet believe in your own entirely uninformed predictions.

Here's a really simple concept that even a 5 year old could understand, Cliffy- just because something happens for some reason once doesn't mean it can't happen for a different reason the next time. Your glass could fall off the table and break because the cat knocked it over. That doesn't mean that it couldn't fall off the table and break in the future because you left the window open and a gust of wind blew it off onto the floor. Or that it could fall off and break because there was an earthquake.

Just because some natural phenomenon, not caused by the activity of humans, caused the planet to warm in the ancient past, does not preclude the planet warming now due to human activity.

Is that way too difficult a concept for you to absorb, or are you going to keep repeating exactly the same nonsense endlessly, like a broken record?






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mtgoat666 - 1-14-2024 at 10:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  

CO2 is warming the atmosphere and because of that the oceans are rising?
No such thing is happening at any rate that could possibly be a problem for the next 50 generations and if it happens it will be at a rate slow enough to adapt.


Cliffy,
Gonna happen a lot faster than 50 generations!

Here is an example of two coastal airports where sea level rise will require rebuilding or relocation of airport…

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/americas-airports-arent-r...

Aint cheap, cliffy!

Miami is doomed, by the way. In a generation or two, city will be flooded/ruined, or locals will have spent billions to build dikes.

https://www.miamidade.gov/global/economy/resilience/sea-leve...


Most of florida is screwed!

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New satellite images show East Coast sinking faster than we thought

RFClark - 1-14-2024 at 10:55 AM


New satellite images show the eastern U.S. coast is sinking at a faster rate than what was first reported last year, according to a new study published in the journal PNAS Nexus.

The insurance companies are bailing because like in California they can’t make money.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/09/satell...

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surabi - 1-14-2024 at 11:29 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  


CO2 is warming the atmosphere and because of that the oceans are rising?
No such thing is happening at any rate that could possibly be a problem for the next 50 generations and if it happens it will be at a rate slow enough to adapt. Massive millions of people who live on the coast are not going to drown overnight or have to move in the next century.



https://www.rawstory.com/maine-fishing-shack/

From the “sea rise” report

RFClark - 1-14-2024 at 11:45 AM

The “regional processes” driving sea level changes include about half the increase being due to the land sinking. See above chart!


Key Message #1:
Multiple lines of evidence provide increased confidence, regardless of the emissions pathway, in a narrower
range of projected global, national, and regional sea level rise at 2050 than previously reported
(Sweet et al., 2017).
• Both trajectories assessed by extrapolating rates and accelerations estimated from historical tide
gauge observations, and model projections, fall within the same range in all cases, giving higher
confidence in these relative sea level (RSL; land and ocean height changes) rise amounts by 2050.
• Relative sea level along the contiguous U.S. (CONUS) coastline is expected to rise on average
as much over the next 30 years (0.25–0.30 m over 2020–2050) as it has over the last 100 years
(1920–2020).
• Due to processes driving regional changes in sea level, there are similar regional differences in
both the modeled scenarios and observation-based extrapolations, with higher RSL rise along the
East (0–5 cm higher on average than CONUS) and Gulf Coasts (10–15 cm higher) as compared to
the West (10–15 cm lower) and Hawaiian/Caribbean (5–10 cm lower) Coasts.
• The projections do not include natural year-to-year sea level variability that occurs along U.S.
coastlines in response to climatic modes such as the El Niño–Southern Oscillation.

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Alberta emergency power alert underlines challenge of energy transition on Prairies

RFClark - 1-15-2024 at 01:50 AM

The alert was caused by the coldest weather in 50 years.

“Saturday evening's emergency alert from the province of Alberta, warning of rotating power outages because of pressure on the electrical grid caused by the extreme cold, underlines just how difficult the energy transition is going to be in the Prairie provinces, according to economist Andrew Leach.

It also demonstrates why more flexibility is needed in Ottawa's Clean Energy Regulations to decarbonize the country's electricity grids, he says“

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-electrical-gr...

JZ - 1-16-2024 at 02:09 PM

Yesterday in Chicago, hundreds of EV owners stranded in the cold. Had to call friends with ICE to come rescue them. :lol:

Frigid cold, broken chargers leave Chicago area Tesla owners frustrated
https://youtu.be/7YGaqnj5hZU?si=D5MWpVYdSI7n-VLe

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mtgoat666 - 1-16-2024 at 02:53 PM

On YouTube, climate denialism takes a turn

The voices that deny climate change have settled on a new refrain.

Instead of rejecting the fact that the Earth is warming, they’re now focusing on skepticism of climate solutions, as well as scientists and activists and altogether the idea that climate change will cause harm, according to a new report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a nonprofit organization that researches digital hate speech and misinformation.

The organization’s analysis suggests that the outright dismissal of climate change is no longer as convincing an argument, so climate skeptics are shifting the ideological fight to how seriously humanity must take climate change or what ought to be done about it. The report also claims that the content policies of YouTube’s parent company, Google — which are supposed to block advertising money from content that rejects the scientific consensus about the existence and causes of climate change — are ineffective and ought to be updated.

“A new front has opened up in this battle,” Imran Ahmed, the organization’s CEO, said at a news conference. “They’ve gone from saying climate change isn’t happening to now saying: ‘Hey, climate change is happening, but there is no hope. There are no solutions.’”

JZ - 1-16-2024 at 03:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
On YouTube, climate denialism takes a turn

The voices that deny climate change have settled on a new refrain.

Instead of rejecting the fact that the Earth is warming, they’re now focusing on skepticism of climate solutions, as well as scientists and activists and altogether the idea that climate change will cause harm, according to a new report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate, a nonprofit organization that researches digital hate speech and misinformation.

The organization’s analysis suggests that the outright dismissal of climate change is no longer as convincing an argument, so climate skeptics are shifting the ideological fight to how seriously humanity must take climate change or what ought to be done about it. The report also claims that the content policies of YouTube’s parent company, Google — which are supposed to block advertising money from content that rejects the scientific consensus about the existence and causes of climate change — are ineffective and ought to be updated.

“A new front has opened up in this battle,” Imran Ahmed, the organization’s CEO, said at a news conference. “They’ve gone from saying climate change isn’t happening to now saying: ‘Hey, climate change is happening, but there is no hope. There are no solutions.’”


Give me a break. Nothing is changing regarding the doubt of this Climate Crisis lunacy. 3 years ago on the 1st page of this thread we said, 1) the climate is changing, 2) the question is how much, if any, are humans responsible for it, 3) can humans do anything about it, and 4) there is no way the government of the US capable, let alone a 100 other nations, of doing anything about it.

The Climate Crisis is a means to win votes and control populations. Period.

Cliffy - 1-16-2024 at 04:38 PM

Houston had rolling power outages because of the cold weather and the grid couldn't keep up
At least they aren't mandating EV cars in 5 years.

What he said above

OSG,

RFClark - 1-16-2024 at 05:48 PM

If the climate scolds are doing and demanding the “right things” why the big knee in the temperature increases as the air got cleaner?

Remember the ‘90s clean air act? Yes, the air is cleaner so everything is hotter too! Be careful what you demand!

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mtgoat666 - 1-16-2024 at 06:24 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
If the climate scolds are doing and demanding the “right things” why the big knee in the temperature increases as the air got cleaner?

Remember the ‘90s clean air act? Yes, the air is cleaner so everything is hotter too! Be careful what you demand!



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Look at that chart! It means something bad! Bad, bad!

Clarkles, thank you for your service!

RFClark - 1-16-2024 at 07:18 PM

OSG,

Remember, I’m the one who posted the chart. You’re young to be starting the short term memory loss thing. I’m old I have an excuse for senility. What’s yours?

JZ - 1-16-2024 at 08:59 PM

NYT's Feb 7th 2014
The End of Snow?
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/08/opinion/sunday/the-end-of...


NYT's Jan 2th 2024
The End of Snow
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/02/opinion/climate-angst.htm...

Good to see that after 10 years they are confident enough to remove the question mark. :light:



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surabi - 1-16-2024 at 10:35 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
rejecting science? The idea that there are other opinions on climate change than the current mantra?



You know what they say about opinions, Cliffy. Opinions aren't science, and scientists reporting their findings and conclusions aren't "mantras".

Would you hire some guy to rewire your house based upon his opinions about electrical wiring, or would you hire an actual experienced electrician?

RFClark - 1-16-2024 at 10:40 PM

Cultist,

No not “mantras” just often wrong. The medical people say “First do no harm” the climate scolds might give that a try!

JZ - 1-17-2024 at 12:21 AM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
Quote: Originally posted by Cliffy  
rejecting science? The idea that there are other opinions on climate change than the current mantra?



You know what they say about opinions, Cliffy. Opinions aren't science, and scientists reporting their findings and conclusions aren't "mantras".



"97% of all scientists agree with the people funding them."

Lee - 1-17-2024 at 09:37 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Cultist,

No not “mantras” just often wrong. The medical people say “First do no harm” the climate scolds might give that a try!


Often wrong? Just your opinion and many here think you don't have facts. Just more looney tune opinions.

Scientists make wrong decisions. That doesn't make them wrong all the time.

Stop believing what you read. Give scientists a break. Conspirators have no credibility here.


surabi - 1-17-2024 at 10:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by JZ  


"97% of all scientists agree with the people funding them."


Quoting other people again without citing your source?

Capricious snow storms this year

AKgringo - 1-17-2024 at 10:48 AM

Huge parts of the US are seeing unexpected snowfall, but other areas are experiencing a fraction of what is average (like where I ski on Donner Summit).

Yesterday, two news articles caught my attention. One was about the Sleeping Giant ski area in Wyoming, that announced that they still don't have enough snow to open and are canceling operations for the rest of the season.

South of there, at Vail Colorado they are skiing on 40 inches of fresh snow, with nearby areas reporting up to 56 inches.

Clean Alternate Energies: Geothermal Breakthrough Emerges From Shale Revolution.

RFClark - 1-17-2024 at 10:52 AM

Two recent projects are testing and proving that shale technology can be adapted to extract energy from hot rocks deep underground. The oil and gas drilling industry initiated the shale industry in 2003. A typical horizontal well, 2 miles long, is fracked up to 40 times along its length to make oil and gas production commercial. In fact, the shale revolution reignited the US oil and gas industry so that the US became independent in oil and gas production – the first time in 60 years.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/ianpalmer/2024/01/17/clean-alte...


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RFClark - 1-17-2024 at 11:06 AM

Lee,

It’s not a “theory”. Science and Medicine both are trial and error. There is no way forward past searching by trial and error.

Using bad or incomplete science as the authority to push an agenda is dishonest. Especially when those pushing the agenda don’t themselves follow it.

That said some things can be seen in advance. Example if pollution is creating clouds that reflect the sun’s energy and you stop the pollution the sun’s energy that is no longer reflected will rase the temperature faster. That is a “no brainer’! (See above chart) Some thought could have been given to dealing with the increase in temperatures caused by the cleanup. None was!

In a paradox, cleaner air is now adding to global warming

RFClark - 1-18-2024 at 10:06 AM

Again says the cultist who can’t process anything that doesn't match her dogma! Like this article as an example!

Using an array of satellite observations, researchers have found that the climatic influence of global air pollution has dropped by up to 30% from 2000 levels. Although this is welcome news for public health—airborne fine particles, or aerosols, are believed to kill several million people per year—it is bad news for global warming. The cleaner air has effectively boosted the total warming from carbon dioxide emitted over the same time by anywhere from 15% to 50%, estimates Johannes Quaas, a climate scientist at Leipzig University and lead author of the study. And as air pollution continues to be curbed, he says, “There is a lot more of this to come.”


https://www.science.org/content/article/paradox-cleaner-air-...

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JZ - 1-18-2024 at 10:34 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Again says the cultist who can’t process anything that doesn't match her dogma! Like this article as an example!

Using an array of satellite observations, researchers have found that the climatic influence of global air pollution has dropped by up to 30% from 2000 levels. Although this is welcome news for public health—airborne fine particles, or aerosols, are believed to kill several million people per year—it is bad news for global warming. The cleaner air has effectively boosted the total warming from carbon dioxide emitted over the same time by anywhere from 15% to 50%, estimates Johannes Quaas, a climate scientist at Leipzig University and lead author of the study. And as air pollution continues to be curbed, he says, “There is a lot more of this to come.”


https://www.science.org/content/article/paradox-cleaner-air-...



Very interesting.

RFClark - 1-18-2024 at 10:42 AM

JZ,

None of the Climate Scolds will respond with anything but personal insults. They can’t process that which doesn’t support their agenda! Based on some of the responses I doubt if some even bother to read the posts. “Taylor Swift Water” as an example!

RFClark - 1-18-2024 at 11:19 AM

OSG,

“Doing stuff” like saving tons of carbon generating solar electricity and driving a PHEV charged from solar electricity as opposed to insulting people or correcting grammar and spelling in posts that they can’t respond to?

Boosting global temperature increases by doing the wrong thing to “improve the climate” might be an “accomplishment”. I doubt that I’d brag about it though!

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surabi - 1-18-2024 at 04:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
OSG,


Here come the personal insults. You go there a lot!



Says the guy who has now decided to address those who don't agree with him as "Cultist", and other demeaning names, as well as some string of capital letters that mean something no doubt insulting which only he is privy to.

pacificobob - 1-18-2024 at 04:26 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Lee  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Cultist,

No not “mantras” just often wrong. The medical people say “First do no harm” the climate scolds might give that a try!


Often wrong? Just your opinion and many here think you don't have facts. Just more looney tune opinions.

Scientists make wrong decisions. That doesn't make them wrong all the time.

Stop believing what you read. Give scientists a break. Conspirators have no credibility here.



Maybe dr clark would share with us in which science discipline he holds degrees?

RFClark - 1-18-2024 at 07:31 PM

Like I said post pictures, for those who can’t read the posts!

How Air Pollution Has Put a Brake on Global Warming

RFClark - 1-18-2024 at 10:20 PM

2018 interview

“Scientists have long known that these aerosols serve to block incoming solar radiation and temporarily cool the planet, but now an international team of scientists has quantified that cooling effect, saying the earth would be 0.5 to 1.1 degree C (0.9 to 2 degrees F) warmer if that pollution were to suddenly disappear.“


https://e360.yale.edu/features/air-pollutions-upside-a-brake...

SFandH - 1-19-2024 at 09:26 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
2018 interview

“Scientists have long known that these aerosols serve to block incoming solar radiation and temporarily cool the planet, but now an international team of scientists has quantified that cooling effect, saying the earth would be 0.5 to 1.1 degree C (0.9 to 2 degrees F) warmer if that pollution were to suddenly disappear.“


https://e360.yale.edu/features/air-pollutions-upside-a-brake...


Great! All we need to do is pump more crap into the atmosphere, problem solved.:P

RFClark - 1-19-2024 at 11:01 AM

SF&H,

Actually aluminum oxide works better than SO2 and isn’t toxic. Volcanos emit megatons of SO2 when they erupt. That’s why a big eruption is followed by a big temperature drop.

Space junk burning up on reentry generates aluminum oxide very high in the atmosphere. We may be approaching a point where the amount of junk will effect (reduce) the solar input enough to slow the rate of increase.

The point of this type of geo engineering is to allow the time necessary for the phaseout of burning stuff to reduce the CO2 levels.

The other point is there was never a public discussion of these issues even though papers were written on the subject a decade ago or more. A decision on US policy was made by primarily unelected agency people or foreign actors not elected representatives.

RFClark - 1-19-2024 at 12:24 PM

SF&H,

While this leans up against “Politics” quite hard. I think pointing out that whatever the problems elected governments (in general) have pale before the systemic issues found at the UN. Iran as the Chair for Woman’s Rights comes to mind here. That as obviously wrong as it is represents the least of the UN problem.

bajaric - 1-19-2024 at 02:44 PM

As I have pointed out before with regards to the palm trees, the land itself can rise and fall. One example: Just read an article about a seaside Roman villa that was recently discovered in Italy:

"The villa runs down to a little crumbling stone dock now located about four meters below sea level. That this — and other parts of the unearthed villa — are now underwater is due to the phenomenon of “negative bradyseism,” a term used to describe the gradual descent of the earth’s surface into the sea in areas exposed to frequent volcanic activity. (The area borders a moon-shaped “caldera” or extinct volcanic crater)."

A more dramatic example is the submergence of Port Royal, Jamaica, in 1692 after an earthquake. Or, the submergence of the Mississippi River Delta because silt is no longer replenishing it due the channelization of the river. (often attributed to rising sea levels when in fact it is from sinking land levels)

stillnbaja - 1-19-2024 at 03:05 PM

“negative bradyseism"....goat or not the most hated player in the NFL! :P

RFClark - 1-19-2024 at 04:34 PM

bajaric,

Currently Naples is 15’ higher than a few decades ago thanks to vulcanism. Check out the prior page here. There’s a map of the East Coast of the US. Currently sinking as a result of natural processes connected with the ice that was there and over pumping recently.

There’s only about 30 years of real data on sea level changes everything prior is speculation and less accurate than measuring with one of those wood meter sticks that the Nuns smacked recalcitrants with. The scolds try to say there’s more but read the footnotes it’s speculation with a margin of error wider than the rate of change they are trying to measure. None of which will change their opinion that the end is nigh!

[Edited on 1-19-2024 by RFClark]

Cliffy - 1-19-2024 at 05:57 PM

What he said above RFC

bajaric - 1-19-2024 at 06:51 PM

What does Spock have to do with it?

(Vulcanism)

Getting back to Baja, I have been reading a book called Geology and Oil Possibilities, Baja California, by Beal. This was an edited edition of a book originally written in the 1920's. In it, Beal noted that "terraces" created along the shorelines of ancient seashores were observed to elevations up to 800 feet above sea level, and scattered recent seashells at much higher elevations (for example, 10 kilometers south of the south end of Bahia Conception at an elevation of 1425 feet on the pass leading southwest to Comundu)

Beal concluded that there had been a great submergence in recent times, when the ocean rose up and submerged most of Baja. Today, of course, it is understood that due to plate tectonics land that at one time was under the sea has risen up to its current elevation, bringing the seashells and marine terraces along with it. This shows how sometimes even the experts get it wrong. I was surprised to learn that the idea of plate tectonics was only widely accepted in the 1960's.

The book is pretty outdated, though it does have a huge map of Baja that is pretty cool. Mostly just geological gibberish unless you are a geologist.

RFClark - 1-19-2024 at 07:41 PM

Bajaric,

The moving Tectonic plate theory wasn’t accepted until the ‘60s. In the ‘20s the oceans had to rise.

Cliffy - 1-19-2024 at 10:54 PM

As the World Turns (pun intended for those old enough) throughout its history the seas go up and down. Man has had no control over it.

Sea fossils are found in all layers of the Grand Canyon including the top layer of Kaibab Limestone at @ 7000' and as high as 20,000' in Tibet.

RFClark - 1-20-2024 at 04:43 AM

Cliffy,

Think McDonald Carey here! “As sand through the hour glass, so are the days of our lives!”

Cliffy - 1-20-2024 at 12:00 PM

RF
Also one of the oldest and longest running soap operas on TV
Days of Our Lives :-)
The Carey quote was the audio lead in to the TV show.

RFClark - 1-20-2024 at 01:11 PM

Yes,

It was a VO on an art card of an hour glass. Early daytime color transmission on the “Peac-ck” in LA. Required viewing for work.

The RCA color patents worked on the same group of technology as the VOR navigation system with the output as colors rather than degree radials.

Fixing color TVs paid way better than just about any other electronics work at the time (‘60s). It was mostly “FM” in those days.

mtgoat666 - 1-20-2024 at 05:40 PM




[Edited on 1-21-2024 by mtgoat666]

Cliffy - 1-20-2024 at 10:29 PM

I "repaired " many black and white TVs by testing the tubes and replacing same when I was 12 years old. The local TV repair shop was a wonderful stop for me in those days. Just to look around.

Stretched the IF coil on my little table top tube radio to lower the AM reception freq capability to pick up police calls around 400 KC.

Back to our story- there is only so much "water" contained in the envelope of the earth. It ain't leaving the earth for space any time soon. Its distribution (and distribution is what we are talking about) around the globe is and has been controlled by forces far greater than man has ever exerted on the planet and one only has to look into actual history of the available proven records.

I go back to the start of the climate data collection and the realization that even back then the originator of the first hysterical papers had to retract his assertions because the data was flawed (some by poor records and some by outright falsehoods) but no one remembers that fact.

Seems also that NOAA has satellite photos showing the earth has actually greened up over all due to the increase in CO2. That means more O2 for us to breathe and more land cover to abate some of the insolation affect of the sun on the earth.




surfhat - 1-21-2024 at 02:34 PM

Mankind can choose to save and respect Mother Earth for the future generations to come.

Mankind can choose to act and has directly changed weather/atmospheric conditions in the past.

Chlorine free choices has mostly repaired the damage to the ozone layer in the southern latitudes from our direct action taken back in the 80's.

I hope mankind will take this lesson to heart for our kids future now.

We can affect earths ability to continue to provide us with a livable planet is the point. We have in the past and hopefully will well into future.

Oh well. Wait for it.

RFClark - 1-21-2024 at 04:22 PM

Surfhat,

The problem is that the lady with the “school Strike” sign only wants to say no and do less to try and solve the problem. Oh yes that and make it a lot worse before it might begin to get better.

Cliffy - 1-21-2024 at 08:14 PM

POPCORN in hand-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0PQ1cOlCJI

I doubt many will watch this to the end.

lewmt - 1-22-2024 at 10:04 AM

Really good video Cliffy! I really like Dr. Curry's approach of not really wanting to be on either political side...just wants truth and science without dogma. Thank you!

Climate Madness!

RFClark - 1-22-2024 at 11:57 AM

Corrosion Of Conformity: Toyota Takes Aim At EVs With Ammonia Engine.

A historical prospective. This form of NH3 “boils” at -28 degrees. It was one of the original working fluids in home and commercial refrigeration. It was so toxic that its use in home refrigeration was discontinued with the exception of some RV style refrigerators. The refrigerators had pints not 10s of gallons of NH3 in them.

What are these people thinking?

Anhydrous NH3 is stored under pressure and is deadly to contact or breathe. It also creates a variety of Nx compounds upon combustion. Nx compounds are bad for the enviroment.

“Anhydrous ammonia may also cause water vapor to condense in the air forming a visible white cloud. Therefore, when anhydrous ammonia is released to the air, it may travel along the ground in a cloud instead of immediately rising into the air and dispensing. This dense gas behavior may increase the potential for exposure of workers, responders and the general public.”

“Anhydrous ammonia also is a key ingredient in the illegal production of methamphetamines. Illegal drug makers often steal anhydrous ammonia from areas where it is stored or used.”



https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-tech/engine/corrosion-of-c...

[Edited on 1-22-2024 by RFClark]

JZ - 1-24-2024 at 01:47 PM

Chicago is coming for your gas stoves.
https://www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.cbsnews.c...

Murder and smash and grabs in the city are ok, but natural gas is the boogie man?

What happens when the electric grid goes down and people are trying to stay warm in the winter? That electric heater isn't going to do them much good.



[Edited on 1-24-2024 by JZ]

surabi - 1-24-2024 at 02:43 PM

JZ lies and spouts disinformation yet again. Regulations on new buildings only using electric and no gas does not translate to "coming for your gas stoves" in the mind of any sane person.

Carbon monoxide and gas leak poisonings and explosions have been an issue for a long time.


JZ - 1-24-2024 at 03:33 PM

Quote: Originally posted by surabi  
JZ lies and spouts disinformation yet again. Regulations on new buildings only using electric and no gas does not translate to "coming for your gas stoves" in the mind of any sane person.

Carbon monoxide and gas leak poisonings and explosions have been an issue for a long time.



If a person wants to buy a new build they will not be able to get gas appliances. And you know how these things work, in the near future Illinois will ban the sale of gas appliances.

So yeah, that is the govt. coming for your gas stoves.

surabi - 1-24-2024 at 03:43 PM

"Coming for your gas stove" means coming to take an appliance you already own away. Not that new builds will only have electric stoves or that new gas stove sales will be phased out.
Funny watching you tie yourself in knots trying to claim that English wordsmean something other than they do.

When all new cars were required to be equipped with seat belts and air bags, due to safety concerns, no one started claiming that the govt. was coming to take away their cars. Insanity and disinformation, and trying to make health and safety regulations a political issue
didn't used to be so prevalent.

[Edited on 1-24-2024 by surabi]

[Edited on 1-24-2024 by surabi]

Berkeley can’t enforce natural gas ban, federal court rules again

RFClark - 1-24-2024 at 10:24 PM

Who’s twisting words in knots. The 9th Circuit says it’s the home gas banners not the gas appliance users.

In July 2021, a federal district court judge dismissed the lawsuit. The CRA challenged that decision, and on Monday a three-judge panel on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit unanimously ruled in favor of reversing that dismissal, deciding that Berkeley had overstepped its authority. The ruling was first reported by Bloomberg Law.

“By completely prohibiting the installation of natural gas piping within newly constructed buildings, the City of Berkeley has waded into a domain preempted by Congress,” wrote Judge Patrick J. Bumatay, one of two Trump appointees on the randomly assigned panel. (The third was a Reagan appointee.) Bumatay wrote that the Energy Policy and Conservation Act, or EPCA, preempts state and local regulations concerning the energy use of natural gas appliances.

When first creating the legislation, Berkeley sought to circumvent the EPCA by passing a building code prohibiting permits for new natural gas piping, as opposed to enacting a ban on the appliances themselves. But the court ruled that the scope of the EPCA goes beyond the regulation of natural gas devices — it also encompasses the building codes which regulate natural gas use.

The gold hydrogen rush: Does Earth contain near-limitless clean fuel?

RFClark - 2-3-2024 at 11:20 AM

Proponents of using this form of hydrogen say it could dramatically accelerate our transition to net zero, which explains why researchers and start-ups are prospecting for it far and wide. Many questions remain, though, not least how much of it there really is and whether it can be easily tapped.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26134760-500-the-gold...

mtgoat666 - 2-9-2024 at 07:25 PM

Whole flocking planet will go to hell!

Critical Atlantic Ocean current system is showing early signs of collapse, prompting warning from scientists
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/09/climate/atlantic-circulat...


AKgringo - 2-9-2024 at 07:33 PM

I remember reading about this possibility 20 0r 30 years ago, and it was in conjunction with the theory that it would be the start of the next ice age.

surabi - 2-13-2024 at 09:59 PM

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/climate-scientist-message-winning-...

Cliffy - 2-13-2024 at 10:39 PM

If they were attacking the 'person" rather than the climate message then I have no problem with this outcome. Differences of opinion on science are OK but name calling is not.

Could Geoengineering Cool the Planet? People doing something past complaining and skipping school or checking your grammer!

RFClark - 2-15-2024 at 03:44 AM



“Altering the ocean or atmosphere to mitigate the effects of climate change is an approach called geoengineering. For scientists, these techniques were long considered taboo. But now, that’s changing. Researchers and startups are launching three geoengineering field experiments in Israel, Australia and Massachusetts this year. But will they work and could there be unintended consequences?“



https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/could-geoeng...

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[Edited on 2-15-2024 by RFClark]

SFandH - 2-15-2024 at 07:38 AM

What could go wrong?

RFClark - 2-15-2024 at 09:32 AM

SFandH,

What’s currently going wrong? (Hint: The temperature is rising!)

Scientists found a Stone Age megastructure submerged in the Baltic Sea

RFClark - 2-17-2024 at 11:15 AM

The Earth began warming naturally over 11,000 years ago and has continued to this day. Humans have recently made things worse. Humans need to take action to reverse this natural warming trend or again move to higher ground.


“In 2021, Jacob Geersen, a geophysicist with the Leibniz Institute for Baltic Sea Research in the German port town of Warnemünde, took his students on a training exercise along the Baltic coast. They used a multibeam sonar system to map the seafloor about 6.2 miles (10 kilometers) offshore. Analyzing the resulting images back in the lab, Geersen noticed a strange structure that did not seem like it would have occurred naturally.

Further investigation led to the conclusion that this was a manmade megastructure built some 11,000 years ago to channel reindeer herds as a hunting strategy. Dubbed the "Blinkerwall," it's quite possibly the oldest such megastructure yet discovered, according to a new paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences—although precisely dating these kinds of archaeological structures is notoriously challenging.”


https://arstechnica.com/science/2024/02/could-this-submerged...

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surabi - 2-17-2024 at 02:21 PM

Move to higher ground? How's that going to help when the temperatures soar all over the planet to levels that don't support human, and animal life or food crops?

Mexico City is at 7,350 feet. The mean temperature in 1979 was 16.3C, in 2023 it was 18.3C.
The temperature in June 2023 reached 35C.

mtgoat666 - 2-17-2024 at 03:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Humans need to take action to reverse this natural warming trend or again move to higher ground.


When flat coastlines of fla, lousiana and texas are flooded, are all those people going to move to cali? I dont think cali will welcome all those knuckledraggers!


AKgringo - 2-17-2024 at 03:42 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Humans need to take action to reverse this natural warming trend or again move to higher ground.


When flat coastlines of fla, lousiana and texas are flooded, are all those people going to move to cali? I dont think cali will welcome all those knuckledraggers!



California is going to have it's hands full when the Pacific ocean re-claims the central valley! Stockton is already a sea port, and Sacramento is only 30 feet higher.

mtgoat666 - 2-17-2024 at 09:44 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Humans need to take action to reverse this natural warming trend or again move to higher ground.


When flat coastlines of fla, lousiana and texas are flooded, are all those people going to move to cali? I dont think cali will welcome all those knuckledraggers!



California is going to have it's hands full when the Pacific ocean re-claims the central valley! Stockton is already a sea port, and Sacramento is only 30 feet higher.


stockton is a river port. I think stockton port is upstream of the head of tide, isn’t it?

P.s. Replacing stockton with a lake will be an improvement! :lol::lol:

pauldavidmena - 2-18-2024 at 09:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  


“Altering the ocean or atmosphere to mitigate the effects of climate change is an approach called geoengineering. For scientists, these techniques were long considered taboo. But now, that’s changing. Researchers and startups are launching three geoengineering field experiments in Israel, Australia and Massachusetts this year. But will they work and could there be unintended consequences?“



https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/tech-news-briefing/could-geoeng...



[Edited on 2-15-2024 by RFClark]


My current employer is one of the 3 sets of scientists tinkering with the climate by introducing a lye-like alkaline liquid to the ocean off the Massachusetts coast. WHOI does some great work, but usually they measure the impact of climate change instead of trying to directly influence it. I'm a tad skeptical.

WHOI has an official FAQ page about the project, cleverly named "LOC-NESS", here

[Edited on 2-18-2024 by pauldavidmena]

RFClark - 2-18-2024 at 10:59 AM

AK,

One of my “fondest memories” of SAC was staying there with my family in the summer. The only place available was down by the river and upon opening the door a cloud of blood sucking insects awaited us inside.

Past the increase in the size and numbers not much else has changed there in the last 60 years.

mtgoat666 - 2-18-2024 at 01:10 PM

Quote: Originally posted by AKgringo  
Quote: Originally posted by RFClark  
Goat,

Not as big of an improvement as replacing Sacramento. Perhaps the Orcas would run off some of the sharks or better yet invite them out for lunch?


The habitat would be more likely suitable for lampreys and leeches.!


I like Sacramento. Nice town to visit. Also pleasant place to get around by bicycle. Among the big cities in central valley, Sacramento is 1000X better than Bakersfield, Fresno or Stockton! Redding is OK, but pretty dull…

RFClark - 2-18-2024 at 02:24 PM

Goat,

That’s a really low bar! Think Buck Owens here!

BTW, make sure you run the really good lock cable through both wheels too or you’ll carry the frame home w/o the wheels! <$1000 is just a misdemeanor!

[Edited on 2-18-2024 by RFClark]

As cities go....

AKgringo - 2-18-2024 at 02:40 PM

Sacramento is not a bad one! Plenty of parks and trees, people are fairly friendly, and you can pretty much find what you need without having to search very far.

I lived on the north side for a year, and I am only 60 miles north right now. My parasite comment referred to it being the seat of state government. By the way lampreys are a real thing in the Sacramento River system.

RFClark - 2-20-2024 at 09:57 AM

AK,

Like I said, the home of clouds of blood sucking insects.

Cliffy - 3-3-2024 at 06:07 PM

Imagine if we lived in a world where all cars were EVs, and then along comes a new invention, the “Internal Combustion Engine”! Think how well they would sell: A vehicle half the weight. Half the price that will almost quarter the damage done to the road. A vehicle that can be refueled in 1/10th the time and has a range of up to 4 times the distance in all weather conditions. It does not rely on the environmentally damaging use of non-renewable rare earth elements to power it and it uses far less steel and other materials.

Just think how excited people would be for such technology. IT WOULD SELL LIKE HOT CAKES!

JZ - 3-3-2024 at 08:10 PM

Interesting article. Thoughts?



Electric Cars Emit More Particulate Pollution

The Biden administration is reviewing California’s plan to ban the sale of new gasoline-powered cars by 2035. To get federal approval, California claims it “needs” this ban to prevent harm to public health from particulate matter—airborne particles like dust, dirt and soot. But banning gasoline cars would do little to reduce particulate emissions, and it could even increase them.

That’s because new gasoline cars are very clean. According to the Environmental Protection Agency, cars emit only about 1% of all direct fine particulate matter in California, and most of those emissions come from older models. The newer gasoline cars that California wants to ban will often have particulate filters that reduce emissions to below one 1/1,000th of a gram per mile driven.

Where do most particulate emissions attributed to cars come from? California speaks as if their primary source is the tailpipe. That was true in the past. But today most vehicle-related particulate matter comes from tire wear. Cars are heavy, and as their tires rub against the road, they degrade and release tiny, often toxic particles. According to measurements by an emission-analytics firm, in gasoline cars equipped with a particle filter, airborne tire-wear emissions are more than 400 times as great as direct exhaust particulate emissions.

California calls electric cars “zero emissions vehicles” because they don’t have tailpipes. That is deceptive. Generating the electricity that powers those cars creates particulate pollution, and of course electric cars still use tires, which are made from petroleum. Electric cars weigh far more than gasoline-powered ones, so their tires degrade faster, as electric car buyers are learning. The same analytics firm cited earlier compared two cars—a plug-in electric and a hybrid. The electric car weighed about one-third more than the hybrid and emitted roughly one-quarter more particulate matter because of tire wear. Total direct emissions went up, not down, when the electric car was driven.

But when California’s air agency analyzed the effects of its ban, it used a model that assumes both kinds of cars have the same tire wear. When the public pointed out the error, the agency doubled down, claiming it would be “speculative” to assume that electric cars will continue to be heavier than gasoline cars. The agency mused that in the future automakers could probably “offset” the weight of heavy batteries with unspecified “weight reduction in other components or the vehicle body.”

California’s bureaucrats have it backward. What’s “speculative” is assuming that electric cars will soon weigh the same as the gasoline cars they replace. Electric cars are 15% to 30% heavier because batteries store far less energy per pound than liquid fuels. While weight differences between electric and gasoline cars have remained roughly constant over the past decade, the only reasonable prediction of trends is for electric cars to get heavier as manufacturers increase battery size to boost range.

Electric car supporters may argue that gasoline cars also contribute to particle pollution by emitting nitrogen oxides, which can turn into particles. But by California’s estimate, most of the predicted decrease in particle concentrations results from its false assumption that electric cars will substantially reduce direct emissions of particulates, not nitrogen dioxide.

Before California can set any emissions standards for cars, it needs the EPA’s approval. But don’t hold your breath expecting scientific integrity. The EPA’s own emissions model falsely “applies the same tire wear emission rate for all vehicle fuel types (gasoline, diesel, flex-fuel, CNG or electric),” completely ignoring the differences in weight.

Why are California and the EPA so eager to push electric cars when they will increase what EPA administrator Michael Regan calls “one of the most dangerous forms of air pollution”? That’s a good question. Perhaps someone should ask them under oath.

Mr. Buschbacher is a partner at the law firm Boyden Gray PLLC. He served in the Justice Department’s Environment Division (2020-21). Mr. Myers is a research fellow at Boyden Gray and holds a doctorate in mechanical engineering.


JZ - 3-3-2024 at 08:12 PM

Quote: Originally posted by mtgoat666  
Quote: Originally posted by JZ  
Interesting article. Thoughts?


Thoughts?

I think you anti-eV people are just cranky old men who hate eVs just because you hate environmentalism, and you are so brain washed that you have a knee jerk rxn to object to anything you perceive as liberal.



I'm not anti-EV. I looked at a few last year when buying the wife a new SUV. Decided the tech isn't quite there for what we like to do. I'll get one at some point. Probably buy my daughter one this year or next.

I'm anti the government forcing it on you, not anti-EV. There is a difference. ;)

So now you are gonna ignore "science"?



[Edited on 3-4-2024 by JZ]

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