1719 San Marcos ship building

Not sure about the San Marcos part

San Marcos

4x4abc - I was a little too quick with my initial reply - Antigua California page 97 does show San Marcos on a map in his discussion of the 1619 ship building. Just north of Mulege. Crosby refers to San Marcos as a mission visita and as an Indian rancheria




John



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Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

If it mentions the source of the trees for the build, that would be of interest.

Quote: Originally posted by John M

There is a little book - 15 pages - The First Ship Built in the Californias by Theodore Hittell that chronicles the building of El Triunfo de la Cruz in 1619. Page 7 says that the first considerable voyage made by [Father Juan] Ugarte's new vessel was in November 1720 from Loreto to La Paz. I paged through it and didn't see any reference to San Marcos, are there specific details you might be looking for? I'd be happy to read through the book if it may have info for you. John M [Edited on 11-9-2021 by John M]

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

can you fill in the details David?

While Ugarte writes that they returned to Mulegé via San Marcos, the ship was built where the river meets the sea, in Mulegé. In San Marcos (an Indian rancheria) they ate a deer that had been killed by a (mountain) lion, discovered by circling buzzards. It smelled so bad, but their hunger was too great!



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Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

do we agree on the year? 1719? the ship was built in Mulege? the Sierra la Laguna has Güeribo trees as well - but it was a bit far away I guess. If it was even known at the time.

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

the Nomad server gobbled it up looks like the software does not the the "ü" let's try again:

That's better!

For those who don't want to open a Google Earth map:

Ugarte's Güérivo lumber source found!

From the fantastic slide presentation: https://www.dstretch.com/CNPSGueribo/index.html

Found that Güeribo harvesting site a couple of years ago on sat images.
Did not know at the time what it was
The images and the trail description of the slide show confirm that it is indeed the Güeribo site
26°57'21.68"N, 112°25'6.26"W

Quote: Originally posted by David K

San Marcos was just a place to rest and eat on their way to Mulegé. I can scan and share the story from Padre Ugarte... All pretty interesting. [Edited on 11-10-2021 by David K]

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

Quote: Originally posted by David K   San Marcos was just a place to rest and eat on their way to Mulegé. I can scan and share the story from Padre Ugarte... All pretty interesting. [Edited on 11-10-2021 by David K] why would they chose to travel via san Marcos? it is completely out of the way going back to Mulege

how do we get her involved?

Güeribos close to La Paz
the palm trees have a hard time to keep up with the Güeribos
23°39'1.64"N, 109°55'25.07"W

Back in 2001, the late Jimmy Smith took 'jeans' and I to the Real de Santa Ana and then further down the San Antonio de la Sierra road to see güéribo trees (west of Los Barriles):

On the San Antonio de la Sierra road, giant 'guerivo' trees are encountered (among palms) near 3,000 feet ASL. Its hard wood is used to make furniture and the first ship in (Baja) California. Built in 1719 by Padre Ugarte was the 'Triunfo de la Cruz'.This site is just west of Los Barriles!