BajaNomad - What is up with driving on the beach?

Ripping across the beaching is one of the great joys in this world.

It's a problem. I've heard gringoes are told not to ride on the Cerritos beach, but to head over to San Pedrito. ATV's ripping up the beach, 6 across.

I'm sitting where the beach drops off towards the water. I don't hear the ATV ripping up the beach. He passes 10' from me and scares the shlt out of me. I take it personally. I then sit facing up the beach I see him coming back. I take the metal bottom half of my umbrella apart. Now I have a club and walk to intersect his path and he sees me and starts veering away. His expression is concern.

Flock with me on the beach and consequences will be dire.

Otherwise, destroy the beach. Don't really care what people do. I'm a guest in MX. It's not my beach. F'ing people.

IT'S AGAINST THE MX FED LAW. Half the people care, half don't.

LancairDriver - 1-31-2022 at 03:27 PM

Problems with driving on the beaches.
Oregon pioneered using the beaches as highways.
I think this was before DK invented airing down.

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JZ - 1-31-2022 at 04:13 PM

You'd get a rooster tail full of sand if you came at me with flimsy umbrella.

bajatrailrider - 1-31-2022 at 04:18 PM

Must be east coast problem North Baja drive on beach . nobody there I get it people on beach . You ride slow and easy 99.9 Mexican problem racing on beach . Of course no enforcement as more important things to do .

Lee - 1-31-2022 at 04:19 PM

You'd get a rooster tail full of sand if you came at me with flimsy umbrella.

No smiley face? No emotional charges with respectful, slow, riders. Speed on a beach with homes, and it'll pi$$ most people off. Hope you're not one of those.

Remote, isolated beaches? RIP!

bajatrailrider - 1-31-2022 at 04:46 PM

Im sure mis understanding Lee . As if JZ driving on beach comes upon people . Stay as far away and slow as possible. As I do so doing that respect . We dont expect someone swinging there walking cane at us. Im with you when I see people abusing that .

BajaMama - 1-31-2022 at 05:10 PM

It's illegal to drive on the beach in Baja.

pacificobob - 1-31-2022 at 05:10 PM

You'd get a rooster tail full of sand if you came at me with flimsy umbrella.

Perhaps we will meet while you are driving on the beach. We can have a chat about it.

LancairDriver - 1-31-2022 at 05:14 PM

Quote: Originally posted by pacificobob

You'd get a rooster tail full of sand if you came at me with flimsy umbrella.

Perhaps we will meet while you are driving on the beach. We can have a chat about it.

How can you chat with a mouthful of sand?😂

JZ - 1-31-2022 at 05:15 PM

No smiley face? No emotional charges with respectful, slow, riders. Speed on a beach with homes, and it'll pi$$ most people off. Hope you're not one of those.

Remote, isolated beaches? RIP!

I'm funnin' with you Lee. :spingrin:

bajafreaks - 1-31-2022 at 05:41 PM

In Los Barriles riding on the beach is a very common event. The locals know the drill and do their best to respect beach goers, watch out for the turtles, and generally respect the privilege to able to drive when we all know its not legal. Its typically the tourists that are the problem, hauling ass, no respect for others, the list goes on. It doesn't help there are probably 5 or 6 rental places in town that cater to these tourists. With the popularity and the growth of the area its probably going to get worse before it gets better. Yes, its fun to ride on the beach no doubt about it, just don't be an a-hole... and for some that's a lot to ask.

Don Pisto - 1-31-2022 at 07:22 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajafreaks

In Los Barriles riding on the beach is a very common event. The locals know the drill and do their best to respect beach goers, watch out for the turtles, and generally respect the privilege to able to drive when we all know its not legal. Its typically the tourists that are the problem, hauling ass, no respect for others, the list goes on. It doesn't help there are probably 5 or 6 rental places in town that cater to these tourists. With the popularity and the growth of the area its probably going to get worse before it gets better. Yes, its fun to ride on the beach no doubt about it, just don't be an a-hole... and for some that's a lot to ask.

yeah watch out for those turtle eggs :rolleyes:

BigOly - 1-31-2022 at 09:33 PM

Look in to your heart. It's not that anyone is trying to take your Adrenaline rush away from you. No one is trying to take away your moment to look at the sky and sea from your vehicle while driving on the beach with the wind blowing in your hair . There are lots of beach launching access areas for boat and recreational fun...The volume of people competing for grains of sand is competitive and past the benefit of people only.
The endangered Snowy Plover is just one example of a living species that needs a specific beach habitat to simply exist. There are many more, think about it, please.

Lee - 1-31-2022 at 10:32 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Im sure mis understanding Lee . As if JZ driving on beach comes upon people . Stay as far away and slow as possible. As I do so doing that respect . We dont expect someone swinging there walking cane at us. Im with you when I see people abusing that .

Should have made the distinction with ripping on beaches with people vs. isolated beaches. Didn't think, though, that JZ rode around people. Started tripping on my one bad experience.

Nothing I can do about the bad riders or gill nets that show up out front.

gnukid - 2-1-2022 at 08:04 AM

Above the marine federal zone of 20 meters there is often a 7 meter zone for transit. This zone sometimes is naturally higher up and people may park in some fashion on either side of the transit zone and the federal zone.

Many gringos misunderstand that the Beach has roads, transit, commerce, patrimonial access rights for not only Mexican but all residents and visitors.

To be aggressive and block or attack people in transit is impeding their liberty which is a constitutional right.

Over the years, many gringos, personal friends, and activists have found themselves in conflict with individuals by acting to block access, thinking they are doing something moral and ethical, while they are antagonizing and behaving in an extreme and aggressive manner. Many of those people have either been driven out, and some disappeared.

It's probably a good idea to find your own place on the beach that suits your desires and leaves others to do the same.

[Edited on 2-1-2022 by gnukid]

wilderone - 2-1-2022 at 11:07 AM

Why can't you just obey the signs? If there are no signs, then be respectful - and IMO, any dirt bike as in photo above, is LOUD, NASTY, STINKY AND WOULD BE UNWELCOME IN MY SPHERE ON THE BEACH. Share? MUST you drive up and down like some marooon? Like doing donuts - just driving around in the sand, circles? WHAT'S THE EFFING POINT? You want to go from Point A to Point B - do it legally. You want to enjoy the beach - do it legally. or stay the eff home. Plenty of ATV roads all across the USA in DESIGNATED NATIONAL LANDS. Knock yourself out.

JZ - 2-1-2022 at 01:25 PM

Quote: Originally posted by wilderone

Why can't you just obey the signs? If there are no signs, then be respectful - and IMO, any dirt bike as in photo above, is LOUD, NASTY, STINKY AND WOULD BE UNWELCOME IN MY SPHERE ON THE BEACH. Share? MUST you drive up and down like some marooon? Like doing donuts - just driving around in the sand, circles? WHAT'S THE EFFING POINT? You want to go from Point A to Point B - do it legally. You want to enjoy the beach - do it legally. or stay the eff home. Plenty of ATV roads all across the USA in DESIGNATED NATIONAL LANDS. Knock yourself out.

I'm sure it varies by location, but the places I've been to it is MX Nationals that make up the bulk of ppl ignoring the signs.

Do you yell at them?

4x4abc - 2-1-2022 at 05:20 PM

Quote: Originally posted by Ducks4jimm

Amigos, a bit of a rant. Here in the East Cape every playa has signs saying no driving. We all get this, the turtles need protection. My gripe is these signs are largely ignored, except by folks with beachfront homes who come out and complain when you drive by. This appears to be more of an effort to create private beach environments than to protect turtles. What will it be? No driving, launching, or kiteboarding, or a little common sense?

Obviously nobody likes jerks tearing up the beach; just looking for other opinions.

nesting turtles is just another greenie argument to keep people off beaches.

Citing laws in Mexico won't get you anywhere
laws are there to be ignored

bottom line - beach front owners don't want traffic on "their" beach
traffic from "people who don't belong there"

I recently scouted a beach
every single home had a beach gate so the owners can drive their RZR onto the beach
go check it out yourself: 23°30'20.36"N, 109°28'18.28"W

but signs everywhere that driving on the beach is prohibited

and on weekends (when the locals want to have fun at the beach) the police is present to make sure, homeowners are not bothered

and yes, they do write tickets
since they have the power to confiscate your vehicle after you did something wrong - you'd better be careful

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David K - 2-1-2022 at 05:41 PM

We are going that kind of double standard currently here in California... Rules for thee are not for me.

JDCanuck - 2-1-2022 at 06:51 PM

David: It's the new global thinking it seems. "I don't do it, so you shouldn't either." What happened to tolerance and respect? I was in Los Barilles this past fall, nice beach, quads on the beach very commonly and the turtle nests clearly marked out with stakes and tape. Dogs freely running around enjoying themselves chasing each other in the water. Seemed to me like a community trying to get along with each other, pretty much like the world we were raised in.

jedge42 - 2-1-2022 at 07:36 PM

Quote: Originally posted by 4x4abc

I recently scouted a beach
every single home had a beach gate so the owners can drive their RZR onto the beach
go check it out yourself: 23°30'20.36"N, 109°28'18.28"W

but signs everywhere that driving on the beach is prohibited

and on weekends (when the locals want to have fun at the beach) the police is present to make sure, homeowners are not bothered

Cops on the beach at Rincon? where on earth do they come from? La Ribera?

overall, that seems hard to believe ... though the RZR gates are no surprise ...

jake

Lee - 2-1-2022 at 09:23 PM

Figured it out yet? Catch-22. MX laws in place, everyone knows about it, laws not enforced, stuff gets destroyed, police paid for services by homeowners.

Surfers know what Locals Only means. If you don't live here, don't surf here. Lunada Bay, Pipe, Silver Strand Oxnard, list goes on. Drop in on the wrong person, you'll be pummeled in the water.

Lots of beaches in MX. If a community is territorial, move on.

RFClark - 2-1-2022 at 10:26 PM

“All animals are equal, some are just more equal than others”!

John Harper - 2-2-2022 at 06:42 AM

Pretty much like the world we were raised in.

I'm just about the same age as DK, and it sounds like you are as well.

In 1963, there were about 3 billion people, today, 8 billion. That kind of increased competition for resources is going to require some kind of social changes. And, presumably, even better cooperation to maintain some semblance of order. We've pretty much trashed the planet already with our selfish ways.

John

David K - 2-2-2022 at 09:38 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

Pretty much like the world we were raised in.

I am glad to have been raised when I was by folks who were part of the great generation who beat both the fascists (WWII) and communists (Cold War). They also took us to the moon and sent probes to every planet. We also cleaned up industry. The L.A. I remember in the 60s and early 70s was smoggy. East Coast cities had dead rivers of pollution. Sure, we messed up but we learned how to clean it up since then.

After all that glory...
WHAT THE HE** HAPPENED?

JZ - 2-2-2022 at 09:46 AM

Quote: Originally posted by John Harper

The Boomers threw trash everywhere and created all the smog.

Gen-X came along and cleaned it up.

Earth is better now. We don't need to hand trillions and trillions of dollars and control over to big Govt. and Biden (a Boomer) to try to fight mother nature.

You hippies use to love freedom and hate "The Man." What the hell happened to you all??

[Edited on 2-3-2022 by JZ]

JDCanuck - 2-2-2022 at 04:52 PM

I saw massive cleanup beginning (at least in power generation utilities) in the early 70's Jz: Seems a bit early for Generation X to be in control of decision making. The previous generation was recovering and rebuilding from 2 major wars and struggled just to get food shelter and a decent healthcare system for their families after they returned from overseas fighting. I for one remain very grateful for their efforts.

Lee - 2-2-2022 at 05:23 PM

The Boomers threw trash every where and created all the smog.

Gen-X came along and clean all that up.

Earth is better now. We don't need to hand trillions and trillions of dollars and control over to big Govt. and Biden (a Boomer) to try to fight mother nature.

You hippies use to love freedom and hate "the man." What the hell happened to you all??

Ever get tired of making false statements?

Biden a Boomer? Educate yourself. Biden is a War Baby, and Silent Gen.

Forbes: ''They’re normally known as the slackers, the latchkey kids, the middle-child generation. Caught between boomers and younger Millennials, Generation X is mainly known for being neglected and ignored.''

Oh yeah, they ushered in Punk and Grunge music, if you want to call that music. I don't. Well, Nirvana's cool.

2% of Boomers were hippies. Look it up.

BajaMama - 2-3-2022 at 09:58 AM

Baby Boomer era is people born 1946-1964. President Biden was born 1942, not a boomer.

However, his and prior generations lacked the foresight to see what industrial actions would do regarding air, water & land pollution.

The boomers were the beginning of the end of that era, brought attention to the effects of pollution and passed laws to clean it up. Gen-X is continuing that good work.

JDCanuck - 2-3-2022 at 11:53 AM

I think the boomers and those that followed them give themselves far too much credit for their actions of sitting on the lawns, smoking pot and complaining about what their fathers accomplished while they were doing all the protesting. The people effecting the changes in 1974 would have been about 40-60 at the time and born from 1914 to 1934.
The ones that lived through two wars, a major depression and worked for societal change rather than complaining about it. Seems to me in the US those were the Jimmy Carter and Habitat for Humanity years.
That entire generation sacrificed a whole lot for the privileges we then and presently enjoy.

[Edited on 2-3-2022 by JDCanuck]

David K - 2-3-2022 at 12:18 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

Baby Boomer era is people born 1946-1964. President Biden was born 1942, not a boomer.

However, his and prior generations lacked the foresight to see what industrial actions would do regarding air, water & land pollution.

The boomers were the beginning of the end of that era, brought attention to the effects of pollution and passed laws to clean it up. Gen-X is continuing that good work.

Interesting, and sounds about right (1946-) as 'we' came from the soldiers of WWII returning home and those back home making the bullets and bombs (and Jeeps). I didn't realize Boomers went all the way to 1964.
Is there some official site that gives the birth years for all these named generations (Millennials, X, etc.)?

4x4abc - 2-3-2022 at 01:27 PM

Quote: Originally posted by David K

I didn't realize Boomers went all the way to 1964.
Is there some official site that gives the birth years for all these named generations (Millennials, X, etc.)?

ever heard of Google?
great new invention

https://www.beresfordresearch.com/age-range-by-generation/

JZ - 2-3-2022 at 02:11 PM

Ranking the generations from best to worst

Greatest Generation
Gen X
Boomer
Millennial

Gen Z - TBD, but will be better than Millennial for sure.

TSThornton - 2-3-2022 at 03:14 PM

Executive Summary:

Paying off the cops: The law must be obeyed! (because it affects me personally)

Driving on the beach: Screw that law! Why do you hate freedom? (because it affects me personally)

With a touch of irony, since those who can afford the $30K rzrs are the ones likely to be targeted by the cops.

"Hypicocracy is the Greatest Luxury" - Disposable Heroes of Hiphopracy

David K - 2-3-2022 at 05:11 PM

Struggle leads to greatness and greatness leads to laziness... We are in the lazy phase of our society. Poverty is coming big time unless Elon can get us to Mars before a world war is started to keep the politicians and industry giants in control.

JDCanuck - 2-3-2022 at 10:13 PM

Here is a pretty discouraging list of countries by greenhouse emissions per capita by country, Canada and US are among the worst offenders, only exceeded by the major mid east petroleum producers. Our love affair with powerful internal combustion engines to get around may be a major contributor, despite all the regulations passed over the decades:

https://epi.yale.edu/epi-results/2020/component/ghp

From what I've read, the average RZR gets around 10-14 mpg at about 10-15% overall fuel efficiency. Might be another good reason to start limiting their use, especially for just recreational driving.

[Edited on 2-4-2022 by JDCanuck]

David K - 2-4-2022 at 08:53 AM

Canada and the U.S. also feed the world... I think you need to balance gain with blame.

JDCanuck - 2-4-2022 at 09:09 AM

DavidK: That's the argument China puts forward. If we demand more and more manufacturing from China and they increasingly produce the goods, should they be blamed for the increasing greenhouse gases it produces, or should the end users of the demand take responsibility.
We are doing great reducing pollution at the utilities and industry side, but the majority of those savings are negated at the demand end, especially in the use of hydrocarbon fuels. Europe chooses to limit the demand end and are doing far better than North America in reductions.
Solar panels have moved to the very least greenhouse gas producing supply side of energy (cradle to grave), and the move to electric vehicles would make the largest difference at this point. Europe and China are way ahead of us there.

JDCanuck - 2-4-2022 at 06:09 PM

Three available RZR alternatives for lowered emissions and less noise:

https://www.utvsportsmag.com/products/new-models-2022-polari...

https://ranger.polaris.com/en-ca/ranger-ev/

https://www.hisunmotors.com/products/vehicle/29/electric/sec...

JZ - 2-4-2022 at 07:03 PM

Three available RZR alternatives for lowered emissions and less noise:

https://www.utvsportsmag.com/products/new-models-2022-polari...

https://ranger.polaris.com/en-ca/ranger-ev/

https://www.hisunmotors.com/products/vehicle/29/electric/sec...

If it doesn't make a lot of noise what fun is it?

JDCanuck - 2-5-2022 at 12:23 AM

Well, the fun is in knowing you left it as pristine as possible for others to enjoy as it was when you first saw it, JZ.
I want my grandkids and their kids to be able to enjoy the same beauty I see when I come across a uniquely beautiful environment. I'm pretty sure you do too.

bajatrailrider - 2-5-2022 at 03:38 PM

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

It's illegal to drive on the beach in Baja.

Its illegal to steal cars kill rob houses. yet no enforcement so no worry to drive on beach . Drive safe and easy enjoy

bajatrailrider - 2-5-2022 at 03:43 PM

Here is a pretty discouraging list of countries by greenhouse emissions per capita by country, Canada and US are among the worst offenders, only exceeded by the major mid east petroleum producers. Our love affair with powerful internal combustion engines to get around may be a major contributor, despite all the regulations passed over the decades:

https://epi.yale.edu/epi-results/2020/component/ghp

From what I've read, the average RZR gets around 10-14 mpg at about 10-15% overall fuel efficiency. Might be another good reason to start limiting their use, especially for just recreational driving. I dont know about Rzrs but my YXZ1000r gets 20mpg. We use it for to get places quickly. All good no worries enjoy your life .

[Edited on 2-4-2022 by JDCanuck]

David K - 2-5-2022 at 04:03 PM

Larry, try again!

bajatrailrider - 2-5-2022 at 04:05 PM

On my Cl phone David very difficult to do anything . Except riding on beach .

JDCanuck - 2-6-2022 at 09:41 AM

Quote: Originally posted by BigOly

Look in to your heart. It's not that anyone is trying to take your Adrenaline rush away from you. No one is trying to take away your moment to look at the sky and sea from your vehicle while driving on the beach with the wind blowing in your hair . There are lots of beach launching access areas for boat and recreational fun...The volume of people competing for grains of sand is competitive and past the benefit of people only.
The endangered Snowy Plover is just one example of a living species that needs a specific beach habitat to simply exist. There are many more, think about it, please.

BigOly: I don't remember seeing that bird down there. Is it common in Baja(Pacific Coast side), and is it also endangered by ATVs? We will definitely have to pay more attention when we are next down there. I did get to see my first Rattlers and Scorpions, neither of which i was especially glad to run across. Whale pods were also a special treat and quite common.

JZ - 2-6-2022 at 12:31 PM

BigOly: I don't remember seeing that bird down there. Is it common in Baja(Pacific Coast side), and is it also endangered by ATVs?

Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird.

[Edited on 2-6-2022 by JZ]

BigOly - 2-6-2022 at 01:15 PM

The snowy plover is a small wader in the plover bird family, typically about 5-7" in length. It breeds in the southern and western United States, the Caribbean, Ecuador, Peru, and Chile. Long considered to be a subspecies of the Kentish plover, it is now known to be a distinct species. Wikipedia
Conservation status: Near Threatened (Population decreasing)
This bird and others like the Belding's Yellowthroat used to be common in Baja Sur. I'm glad I have photos that I took of them to show my grandchildren.

John Harper - 2-6-2022 at 01:51 PM

They have a small preserve for them here in Carlsbad in the Batiquitos Lagoon. They're cool little birds.

John

wilderone - 2-6-2022 at 05:55 PM

"Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird."

waay waay -- too bad -- so sad. can't ride around in circles to nowhere. pitiful

BigOly - 2-6-2022 at 07:42 PM

Used to be on this Baja forum... Peace, love and fish tacos. Where are we now? Varoom, varoom pis.. on the dying nature? Taking away the sandy beaches to party on with vehicles? Can't we share a little natural habitat for birds and others without some selfish rush?

Marty Mateo - 2-6-2022 at 07:56 PM

Quote: Originally posted by bajatrailrider

Quote: Originally posted by BajaMama

It's illegal to drive on the beach in Baja.

Its illegal to steal cars kill rob houses. yet no enforcement so no worry to drive on beach . Drive safe and easy enjoy

Wow that’s about the stupidest reply , you’ve almost made jz’s replies sound intelligent .

Marty Mateo - 2-6-2022 at 07:59 PM

Electric would be a great alternative for what most people use sxs for in Baja.

Jack Swords - 2-7-2022 at 06:28 AM

"Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird." Absolutely incorrect!

Restrictions at Pismo Beach have enabled Snowy Plovers to coexist with motor vehicles, somewhat. Future closures of parts of the Nipomo Dunes are a consequence of well documented air pollution from blowing sand into local communities making breathing dangerous for vulnerable people. Natural barriers that had existed for years like dune scrub and a crust on the dunes have been destroyed by the increasing use of vehicles. Again, the degradation of air quality in local communities has been well documented over many years through photographic evidence of destroyed dune plants due to dune drivers and air sensors locally placed in the dunes. Attempts to mitigate the damage with more plantings, restoration, hay bales, and other restrictions has been futile.

It is easy to blame a resident bird, but the cause of future dune closure is obvious if one cares to look.

Don Pisto - 2-7-2022 at 11:04 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Jack Swords

"Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coast line. Yet, some are trying to take that away from future generations of kids in the name of that ugly bird." Absolutely incorrect!

all good points Jack, its just a matter of time. " Pismo Beach is the only place you can drive on the beach in California's 840 miles of coastline" also couldn't be more untrue, northern California has several beaches you're welcome to drive/ride on. if your offroad skill level is such you might want to head north.

JZ - 2-7-2022 at 11:32 AM

Quote: Originally posted by Don Pisto

Northern California has several beaches you're welcome to drive/ride on. if your offroad skill level is such you might want to head north.

Can you list some locations?

John Harper - 2-7-2022 at 12:00 PM